What manufacturer produces the most reliable AR period. Which one will run reliability regardless of ammo, maintenance, ect.
Direct and piston guns included.
Who Makes The Most Reliable AR-15 Ever
What manufacturer produces the most reliable AR period. Which one will run reliability regardless of ammo, maintenance, ect.
Direct and piston guns included.
Well not getting a polymer lower would probably be a good start.
>upper twisted to shit
>bolt carrier split into petals
the problem wasn't the polymer lower, or the rifle in any way for that matter, that was a bad load
yeah you're right anon. i let my irrational distaste for polymer lowers get the better of me. now let me dismiss your concerns by saying that if the lower was an alloy lower none of this would have ever happened.
me
nice AR ya' got there anon
well someone had a out of battery detonation.
Or fed a 300 blow out to his 5.56.
Yep probably this, guy I know works with someone that did this...blew the gun up instantly.
Probably FN.
What does FN do to make their guns more reliable than others?
Well they have held some of the largest contracts for standard issue rifles. They also developed the heavier chrome lining everyone is using. See the DD comments for thier issues. Knioghts is a $2,000 QC fee for a normal rifle, with people alledging issues with current makes. Sometimes plain just werks
The heavy chrome lining adds life to the barrel, but what else do they do when they build their rifles to make them run longer without failures of any type?
Your question is difficult to answer the way you want it answered. FN has produced so many that they will have the process down. Many smaller companies will not have the process consistency. You will not have one entire batch go through a floridaman that decided to come to work drunk.
The dimensions will be the same or at least close enought accross brands outside of machining error.
Parts now days are also close enough and there is not a huge endemic failure ot the majority of cheaper parts.
So who is the best is asking for a small margine per rifle but the main diff is process consistency
I guess I wasn't specific enough withmy question. I want to know who makes the most reliable rifle based on design and their version of the AR platform.
most people make an Ar-15 that is just mil spec, or sometimes milspec plus a short stroke piston system. Anything companies could change usually makes the gun worse, so most don't bother and let you fuck it up with aftermarket parts yourself. The closest thing to a redesigned Ar is the KAC sr-15 and it's just bigger lugs on the bolt and a second, redundant ejector.
Fn just copied colt and the tdp, what helps the military rifles run is some good old overgassing. 14.5 carbine gas homie. Surprising nobodies talked about that. That and the tdo works, milspec is a good thing just people dont understand the word and mix it up with qc. High pressure individually tested and magnetically inspected bcgs with proper heat treat and non snake oil coatings go a long way. Its a recipe that produces a known product with known working life.
knights is a $2000 QC fee for PSA tier QC
The pressure bearing components, barrel and bolt are the most important components from a reliability standpoint. I would recommend any AR-15 that uses FN barrels and bolts, best value low cost service rifle is the PSA PA-15 premium with the CHF chrome barrel. Also you can look further into but plenty of premium AR-15 producers use FN pressure components in their rifles.
The rifle I was issued in the Marines back in the day was an M16A4 manufactured by FN. It was a solid rifle and why I like FN guns over any other guns to this day.
HK, LWRC, LMT, Noveski.
>DD
No.
>KAC
No.
>Sig
No.
Explain
DD and KAC have failed reliability and accuracy tests before, Robski and some other YouTuber have videos on it.
>not HK
Anon...
What accuracy tests? DDs have some of the most accurate barrels in the industry, not even outrageously shitty out of the box trigger ruins the groups
KAC failed the accuracy test, look it up.
Robski did a endurance test on a DD rifle and it died.
>captcha
>KKKNG
Kek.
>KAC failed the accuracy test, look it up.
Prove it.
>DD died
You mean the trigger got a small object lodged in it, which is a failure that no brand could prevent when you're intentionally dumping dirt in the gun as it fired. It uses the exact same trigger the PSA that "passed" the dust test used. The only difference was pure luck.
Hk is not an AR
You got the answer brah. Other than manufacturing process errors or obvious shit like PSA freedom or dubious origin AR shit there is not going to be wild reliabilty differences. Colt and FN have produced millions or rifles so it stands to reason they are probably the most reliable by a small margin
>Hk is not an AR
It is literally an AR-15 with a piston bolted on. OP even specified piston is ok.
>and piston guns
>brandwhores can't read
Shocking.
The trigger BROKE. It wasn't a fucking rock.
>The trigger BROKE
No it did not, thanks for proving you never even watched the video lmao. He even says after disassembling and cleaning the gun worked flawlessly once more.
Imagine repeating abject bullshit you heard someone else say one time as if it's fact when you never watched the source material, and are so unfamiliar with it you can't even link it. I can, because I actually watched it. You are the dumbest fucking retard on the board right now. How does that feel?
>DD posted a safety recall on this model
>Nutinfancy's DD AR10 fail
>rail shift from a 3 ft drop
>tiny bit of fouling kills a rifle
Finding corpses with DD rifles will be entertaining.
>rifle goes down in a firefight
>wait! It dosen't count if it's dirt-ACK
Keep coping and seething.
>DD posted a safety recall on this model
You mean the bolt action rifle? Not an AR15 and nobody ever bought one anyway.
>Nutinfancy's DD AR10 fail
Meanwhile everyone else on earth disagrees with him. Curious.
>>rail shift from a 3 ft drop
We're talking about DD, not Geissele
>>tiny bit of fouling kills a rifle
No, a tiny bit of fouling will not kill a rifle. A rock getting stuck in a trigger will disable any AR-15, regardless of what name is on the side. Literally the only way to potentially prevent this would be to use a cassette trigger, but those introduce even worse failures.
Your fixation clearly demonstrates you don't even know how the AR-15 works, which is largely why your claims don't have anything to do with reality. The trigger has the same dimensions no matter who makes it. Nobody has any physical engineering change to the rifle pattern that would prevent this failure. But because you can't afford a DD rifle, and do not know how the AR-15 works, and amazingly did not even know what failure occurred since you were even wrong about that, you cannot come to a realistic conclusion on the matter.
This is because you are the dumbest man on PrepHole still.
>keeps coping for a $1900 rifle with such a shit trigger
Keep coping, your rifle is overpriced trash.
>y-your rifle is overpriced
Which one? I've got a lot of DDs so I'll need you to be specific.
>multiple AR's
For what fucking purpose?
>block I and II
because they're great anime girls
>spare block I and II
Because I wanted spares
>SR-15
It was cheap so why not
>DDMv11 pro
my $200 scope has to live somewhere and it might as well be there
>LMT MWS
I needed an AR-10 and it was cheap so why not
If it can't fire brass without being horrendously overgassed, it's a bad gun. It's ok for a $800 AR10 to be a bad gun. It's not ok for a $3000 one to be a bad gun.
>horribly overgassed
Anon if it ejects at the 90 to 75° from the ejection port it isn't overgassed, my bcm eats steel but ejects at the 100-115° from the ejection port.
>only time it doesn't
If I use Tula and the temperature is below 0 then I start to have problems with feeding and ejection and the bolt doesn't lock, but I run rifle gas.
And again, you're now talking about 5.56. Can you stick to one subject? 5.56 steelcase is kinda bad as I said. .308 steelcase is horrendous. I mean seriously, holy fuck there are so many forum posts of blown up AR10s and FALs from that dogshit.
>Wolf steel case is bad
>Tula is undergassed
No to either. I've actually had more hot loaded Tula than not, so much so it was causing AR10's to pop.
>Wolf steel case is bad
>Tula is undergassed
Yes to both. Jesus fucking christ they're literally the same shit both made at Tula Arms plant holy fuck. Literally exactly as I said it's undergassed most of the time. Then there's the special batch that blows up the gun.
Wolf ammo is Tula that went through better QC, while Tula is straight from the manufacturer, and this was later when powder substitutions caused pressure spikes and blown primers.
Brown/Silver/Gold Bear is Barnul and also runs great in most AR's.
If your gun can't run steel it's shit, and especially if it's $1500+ rifle.
I agree 100% that if your rifle won't run steel ammo then it needs work. The first test I do with any ar is to see if it will run steel ammo.
The only time I've ever had issue with steel for any of my rifle is if temperatures are really low, but only for AR15's/10's, while my X95 and M1A run just fine. AK clones are overgassed by design, so cold and fouling isn't a issue.
>Brown/Silver/Gold Bear is Barnul and also runs great in most AR's.
Isn't the bear line discontinued?
Due to Globohomo sanctions unfortunately.
I like tula, just because it sparks when hitting metal. So you can shoot gas tanks and explode them with it.
I prefer my ar15's to be over gassed, that bitch will rip off with any ammo in it and never jam.
To arm his buddies in this anarcho tyranny when shit goes down.
>having friends too poor to own their own guns
Yeah nah. I just fuck guns, so I have a lot of them. It’s a sexual fetish
>DD AR10
Pathetic, my fucking CETME and M1A run steel case flawlessly.
Very cool, we're talking about AR-15s though. The DD5 is built as a good rifle and therefore is gassed for .308, not the random bullshit Tula loads that's underloaded 90% of the time, and all the remaining powder gets crammed in to the last lot of the day to blow up anyone dumb enough to buy it.
>nooooooo it's not the same design!
>DI
it's not the same design!
Indeed it's not. And steel case .308 is even worse at consistency than steelcase 5.56. It is objectively correct to not gimp the guns performance with real ammunition by targeting steelcase dogshit that has a habit of detonating guns anyway.
>nooooooo you can't use this ammo!
If it can't eat steel it doesn't deserve brass.
They use the same milspec trigger as in every AR. What fucking autism do you have against DD? Their barrels are second to none.
>uses the same trigger as a AR 50% the price
Cool, just buy another AR and use the money you saved to get a good trigger!
>Cool, just buy another AR and use the money you saved to get a good trigger!
While I'm at it I'll get a DD barrel, BCG, and rail and spend more money than if I just bought the DD!
Moron.
you can debate me (you will be wrong) on barrel and bolt, but dd rails are only good if you want a quadrail but who wants that in 2023?
this guy
>you can debate me (you will be wrong) on barrel and bolt
Ok, I will. DD makes exceptional bolts that are proven to last longer. Long enough in fact it is financially better to buy them, despite DD bcgs costing more. The same goes for their barrels which are quite accurate and durable.
the best ar barrels are made by the same companies that are making the best bolt action barrels, ie krieger, bartlein, etc. after all an ar barrel is just a .224 caliber barrel with a hole drilled part way down. if you want to know what parts make a good rifle you should look at what people who actually shoot theirs use like service rifle and 3gun shooters. trying to copy what the military uses is for larperators.
>krieger, barlein, etc.
That's the best for one use case. It is never going to be as durable as a CHF and chrome lined daniel defense barrel. I do care about that. I do not actually care whether my 5.56 rifle is .2 MOA or .75 MOA.
you care about durability because you don't shoot or your shooting consists of magdumping trash appliances. why does it matter if your barrel can last another 2k rounds before it's "shot out" when it was less accurate than a good barrel even when it was new? shooting targets accurately is the most important use case for basically anyone that isn't a range with machinegun rentals.
>you care about durability because you don't shoot
Interesting take.
>why does it matter if your barrel can last another 2k rounds
The difference between a cut stainless barrel and a CHF/CL barrel is not 2k rounds.
>when it was less accurate than a good barrel even when it was new?
That's a pretty funny take when both barrels are sub-MOA and the difference would literally only be evident upon handloading specifically to the barrel and slapping the gun in a vise.
>believing that they shoot it enough that the durability matters
Anon these people buy those guns to use as safe queens or to use as a photo model, to insinuate that they "magdump into trash" would mean that they've actually shot it since they zero'd the optic.
>DD barrel
Get a Faxon and marvel at the quality.
>BCG
Sharps. DD is overpriced for what you get.
>rails
Samson, Troy, Centurion are similar in quality while being cheaper.
DD exists because of no effort retards with too much money and not enough sense.
>Get a Faxon and marvel at the quality.
I have a faxon barrel in my 416. It's ok. DD is better, and faxon has no options for CHF barrels obviously.
>sharps
Sorry I'm not a fan of the unreliabolt. I'll take the DD that actually works.
>samson
>troy
both abject dogshit. The samson especially like all the chinkshit adjacent rails has a very weak mounting method.
>centurion
Actually good, also costs as much as a DD rail. Surprise!
>Samson
>Troy
>dogshit
Disregarded.
I had a troy handguard in my first rifle when I didn't know anything at all about guns. I can see you're still in that phase. The lockup is not great, it's heavy as fuck for what it was and that was the alpha rail not even a pic rail, and troy itself is a terrible company that wants you dead.
Samson is dogshit that makes those ugly chinkass handguards every budget build uses with a shitty friction lockup that will fail and lead to the rail separating from the barrel nut. You probably think the Serpa is a good holster.
>Troy
>wants you dead
They want your money first, but they did make a big ooof hiring that murdering POS that I won't mention.
>Samson
>ugly
Which rail?
>Which rail?
Literally every single thing they make that goes on an AR-15 looks hideous.
>Samson STAR rail
>ugly
Self delete now.
Absolutely hate it.
>same as the omega rails
>it's bad
This is PEAK consoomerism.
>same as the omega rails
Those are also ugly as shit and they are not the same thing at all. Like holy shit dude even though you know nothing about ARs you should be able to tell the omega rail still uses the delta ring and the STAR doesn't.
You've never been in the same room as a krieger barrel don't try to talk shit
>waaaaaaaaa
Dude your purchase was stupid, stop seething about it.
>Dude your purchase was stupid
Which one? I have a cut stainless barrel for a caliber that can actually benefit from it. Chasing sub-.5 MOA groups in 5.56 is tarded when it will never be effective at ranges that matters at.
>accurate 5.56 is stupid
SPR's exist. Shooting gophers and prairie dogs is a thing.
So is poop and pee
>DD failed accuracy
Literally never
>reliability
You mean a rock got stuck in the milspec trigger group, and when cleaned it functioned. The same trigger that's in every AR, and a failure that would happen to any AR.
>b-but I don't know how the gun works so your words don't mean anything!
Believe me, I already knew you were retarded.
What's wrong with DD? Their ris2 uppers are great.
LMT is the only legit one of your picks
Idk bro, DD has killed alot of children without 1 hickup.
shut the fuck up you stupid dumb moron
>Noveski
shut the fuck up you absolute troll
FN & Colt.
BCM upper
Aero Lower
DD, KAC, HK
>Who makes the most reliable AR-15
Post your face when 20 inch/rifle gas PSA or Del-Ton will always be more reliable than an SBR from HK, LWRC, LMT
That's not true the m4 is more reliable than the m16
POF P415.
Piston gun
Nickel boron bolt with roller cam pin
Groves in chamber for help with extraction
Huge heat sync barrel nut
These guns don't foul and run full auto non stop. Why would anyone pay extra for something like a DD or LMT that fouls and fails like every other DI gun?
>roller cam
I own a Adams Arms and the roller cam is a fantastic part to buy, it completely stopped the cam dragging on the receiver and smoothed out the shooting.
>fouling
Not a real problem. Here's a KAC that did 20,000 rounds without a problem.
>b-but muh meltdown video
congrats you destroyed a barrel instead of a gas tube, do you feel smart?
So the KAC did 20k rounds no problem. I guess that means the POF would run far beyond that, which is the exact point of this thread. Thanks for proving my point.
sorry, picture here.
>I guess the POF would
jokes on you, nobody with a POF can afford 20,000 rounds.
So if you spend $2200 on a POF you can't afford ammo but if you spend $3000 on a KAC then you can? That math doesn't add up.
They don't believe that you have the extra $800 period anon, which is the only reason in their mind why you didn't buy a KAC, because diminishing returns aren't a thing for KACriders.
Imagine the TASTE
Just accept you paid an enormous premium for a brand name. KAC is good of course, but not $3000 or whatever good
idk man I feel like I didn't pay an enormous premium at all.
>blows gas tube
>rifle becomes single shot straight pull
>POF is still firing full auto
And that 20k is with lube and cleaner, and was given time to cool, the POF ran dry and ran continuously.
>And that 20k is with lube and cleaner
No, it was entirely without cleaning and duh cooling down. Meltdown videos just mean your barrel breaks, congrats again as I said.
Your AR-15 isn't a machinegun even if you add a piston. It is not suitable for the role. Nothing without a quick change barrel or other cooling solution is.
>thinks that this is bad
Run a HK93 and get back to me.
>muh DI fouling
That's a total load of bullshit. Burnt gunpowder turns into carbon which is a dry lubricant just like graphite.
Don't want to be that guy, but AK is pretty fucking reliable.
Depends. AR-15 is more reliable in many adverse conditions. If you're soaking the gun in water and freezing it, AK is more reliable. In dust or mud AR is more reliable. With inconsistent and poor quality ammo, AK is more reliable. AK is more durable.
> In dust or mud AR is more reliable
:doubt:
Sounds like cope based on nothing.
inrange or GT mud test moron gay
The AR works, the AK doesn't. Simple as that.
no it isnt
Reliable? They can't stand without cleaning even 200 rounds
I’ll throw my hat into the argument.
I’ve had a few malfunctions with my KAC that weren’t magazine related or caused by ammunition. It also doesn’t drop PMAGs freely, which is indicative of poor QC. The recoil impulse of my 14.5 SR15 is more violent than a lot of 11.5s I’ve shot, and it appears to be fairly over gassed. I get better ejection out of my 16” BA Hanson/PSA upper with an H1 buffer. The KAC is using their factory HH buffer.
Overall I’m not impressed at all and I’m considering selling it off and building out a “perfect” AR15. By the way, it’s overgassed unsuppressed.
>building out a “perfect” AR15
This is the answer. You must make it yourself. If you do not know the intimate details of your raifu, you cannot say it is the best. No one manufacture makes the best version of everything. And they don't give a shit about you like you give a shit about you when putting it together.
I find the steyr aug to perform better and be more reliable than the AR family of weapons.
>inb4 muh charging handle
Nope, dont care. Aftermarket handles/piece of electrical tape solves that problem.
>inb4
>but muh magazines
>but my manual of arms
>but muh aftermarket
>but muh trigger
>but muh .0001 second faster reload
My opinion is to pick a rifle, learn it's strengths and weaknesses and get gud with it. Besides I love the OAL of bullpups and the hassle free SBR length with the performance of a full length barrel.
AUG Chads rise up. Replacement CH is a meme. You should be charging her underhanded.
Sorry memepuppers, you forfeited the right to an opinion when you bought them.
Palmetto state armory and bear creak Arsenal. Despite what these retards will say. An ar15 is an ar15. Both stake the gas keys.
>b-but is muh castle nut staked
I know it's like so hard to stake it you need to have a 1 million dollar machines right?
KAC SR-15
You do. You will never buy an AR as well made as the one you make yourself. It's not that hard, and with the money you save you can tailor the rifle to your own wants and needs.
Yeah but that’s fucking gay
Czolt LE6920
We’ve covered this dumb dumb.
Every AR15 is shit.
Every AR15 is jus as good.
Izmash
Is cmmg good?
1. AR-Stoner
2. Beer Creek Arseanal
3. DPMS
4. KE-ARms
the way gun owners think about reliability is stupid. no one asks what truck is the most reliable based on how long it can run without changing the oil or using the wrong octane gas. if a rifle doesn't show itself to be a lemon in the first 100 rounds it's probably going to work as well as any other one until the bolt fails, but that's both expected and replaceable.
Yes they do. That's why an old Toyota pickup costs more than an old American pickup.
>Which one will run reliability regardless of ammo, maintenance, ect.
Lmao, none of them. They're all aluminum direct impingement guns. They're going to be finicky and if something isn't precisely in order they'll hang up. On top of this, the real redpill is that all ARs are the fucking same. The forgings come from the same damn 4 factories. ARfags are brand whores who try to separate themselves from the hoard of other AR owners by having an expensive roll mark or expensive accessories. The more expensive guns are not better, they're the same parts from the same factories with a different roll mark slapped on.
Probably the HK416, as I have personally seen one survive a 300 blackout in a 223 barrel (which probably happened in this pic). Only the extractor broke, if the OTB pin had been in the barrel extension even the extractor might have survived.