Who is the target audience for this pistol?

Who is the target audience for this pistol? Who would buy a rifle that you aren't allowed to put a stock or foregrip on without a stamp converting it into a 3-foot-long SBR? Is there something I'm missing here?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it wouldnt be an sbr because of its barrel length. theyre basically selling a rifle without a stock.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can put a stock on it. its just configured as a pistol. The barrel makes it no stamp required.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP is a fricking moron and doesn't know basic gun laws.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick ya mudda

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It does not include the stock due to import laws.
    It is easier for them to import them as pistols than rifles.

    Side note: These new Captchas suck ass.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That or Cali compliant. SCARs are imported from Belgium with thumbhole stocks and featureless dummy barrels, then finished in Virginia.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there something I'm missing here?
    Yes, import laws.
    There's all sorts of restrictions around importing something that resembles an "assault rifle". However, it's much easier to import it as a pistol.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >aren't allowed without a stamp
    everyone point and laugh

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OP is a fricking moron and doesn't know basic gun laws.

      You can put a stock on it. its just configured as a pistol. The barrel makes it no stamp required.

      Yes. You're missing the fact that you're a moron. You can slap any stock you want on it and make it a rifle.

      I thought the rule in America was "If it's a pistol and you put a stock on it, it's NFA, no exceptions" on account of the ATF is moronic. Is that not the case?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is only constituted as an sbr if the barrel length is less than 16 inches and you add a stock or foregrip.

        Just because they labeled it as a "pistol" does not legally make it one. It has a 20" barrel, so you can add a stock and make it a "rilfle".

        Please see:

        It does not include the stock due to import laws.
        It is easier for them to import them as pistols than rifles.

        Side note: These new Captchas suck ass.

        and

        >Is there something I'm missing here?
        Yes, import laws.
        There's all sorts of restrictions around importing something that resembles an "assault rifle". However, it's much easier to import it as a pistol.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ATF defines a "rifle" as a weapon that is intended to be shouldered. (It has a shoulder stock)
        ATF defines a "long gun" as a barrel over 16 inches.
        If a "rifle" (a stock-shouldered weapon) has a barrel less than 16 inches, it is a "short-barrel rifle".

        No weapon with a barrel less than 16 inches can have 1) a stock and 2) a vertical foregrip

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong. You can have a VFG with a barrel under 16" as long as the gun is not "concealable", which the law considers having an overall length over 26".

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong. You can have a VFG with a barrel under 16" as long as the gun is not "concealable", which the law considers having an overall length over 26".

          There's nothing in the black letter law banning foregrips on pistols. The precedent just comes from old ATF opinion letters that carry no legal weight and wouldn't hold up in court post-Bruen anyway.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is true, my point was that there is a third category, which is legally neither a rifle, a pistol or Any Other Weapon under the law. The law says that a pistol is designed to be fired with one hand, so any firearm under 26" (concealable) but is not designed to be fired with one hand is an AOW. The ATF claims that adding a foregrip is redesigning a firearm to no longer be fired with one hand, and thus a pistol with foregrip is an AOW. If the firearm is over 26" but does not have a stock, it can't violate that opinion.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The ATF claims
              The ATF also claims that braces are stocks, bump stocks are machine guns, and nonfunctional pieces of metal are receivers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No. Only if the barrel is less than 16 inches. They may one day go back on their word, but the way the law is constructed it would be very hard to do so. Hence a glock with a 16+ inch barrel can have a buttstock.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s a rifle so long as the barrel is 16 inches or longer and the overall length is 26 inches or longer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also, pistol to legal rifle configuration is ok, no stamp required. Rifle to pistol is no-no, even if you can easily convert it back. Look up the Thompson Contender case.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pistol or rifle is "current configuration" not "sold as". Also everything the ATF is illegal, but they enforce their rule making anyways.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Other way around. A rifle cannot be converted to a pistol without a tax stamp, a pistol can be converted to a rifle.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The rules are inconsistent and stupid

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. You're missing the fact that you're a moron. You can slap any stock you want on it and make it a rifle.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can be imported without complying with a bunch of bullshit keeping the rifle intact. If I wasn't poor, I would be their market.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$9000
    nobody would ever buy this. the average person can't afford it, and the frickoff rich people would just use legal shenanigans to get a full auto dealer sample for a fraction of the price

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's a lot of lazy nouveau riche types who would buy these now because they don't appreciate money.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is probably to get around the sporting use import restrictions. The only import bans around pistols are for small pocket guns.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      922r

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wierd stuff is often just people complying with the law, building what is desired in a way that complies with some regulation to still reach the intended market.
    You know, those 'loopholes' antigunners complain about when you follow the law, and try to ban next.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does it cost $9K ?

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's the only way to bring them legally into the United States.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Le "sporting purposes" rule

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          2A isn't about sport though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Take it up with the ATF

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Target audience? Me.
    I didn't pay that much though idk who they're kidding.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What did it cost you, anon? I’d buy one for under $4k

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Expect to pay between 5 and 6k all said and done.

        Nice. Is the build quality as good as all the “experts” say?

        It feels like a very nice, old, archaic design.
        The people who say it's "the nicest AK you can buy" are mostly right. It feels like a 5.45 AK made by smart white people.
        Everything is tight, all of the moving parts are rigid and smooth, the finishes on everything look and feel very deliberate and professional.
        The bad?
        The trigger sucks ass and it's exceptionally heavy.
        I would buy 10 more if I could afford it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > The trigger sucks ass and it's exceptionally heavy.
          Did you adjust it? It’s no Geissele gaming bs trigger but on mine they break cleanly and the pull-break-reset is not bad at all.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I did. It's not great.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          strelok's sgi5k

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah baby

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Expect to pay between 5 and 6k all said and done.

          Absurd.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nice. Is the build quality as good as all the “experts” say?

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$9000 for a PE90
    >it’s not even grey/green

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot pic.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >20 inch barrel
    >NFA
    lmao, no it's for import reasons. To import a rifle you need to be 922r compliant, since your a nogunz that means it needs to have 9 or so US made parts. But if it's a "pistol" you can bring it in the US 100% foreign made, then it's up to to the owner to do the 922 thing themselves if they so choose.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >To import a rifle you need to be 922r compliant
      No. You need to be 925(d) compliant. The part that deals with sporting rifle imports.
      922(r) only applies to assembling in the US and has nothing to do with imports.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >922(r)
        Doesn't apply in US

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          922r is literally to prevent the domestic assembly of guns that can't be imported due to 925d. It only applies in the US.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is that why every AK owner ever follows 922r and makes sure their rifles have at least 5 us made parts? Oh wait..

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >9k$
    Frick off. I want it, but catch yourself on.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this real or a meme?

    I'd buy a sig 550 pistol and go through the rigamarole to add a stock. How else am I supposed to get a sig 550

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >go through the rigamarole to add a stock.
      There is no rigamarole required. Since the pistol has a 16" barrel, you can add a stock without extra hassle or paperwork.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ok. Then count me very interested. I'm assuming the $9000 is a joke or error. I would pay $1-2000.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Between 6-9k is what you will pay for an older version not imported from SAN/SIG Sauer.
          JDI/Swiss Arms USA has them for around $4500. They come and go very quickly, especially in gray/green. It's a $3500 rifle in Switzerland and you're not going to pay less than that.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guns to men are like shoes to women.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pistols aren't subject to 922r requirements, so the internals are fully Swiss. I got a VZ58 pistol for this reason. Just slap a proper stock on and it's g2g. With an imported rifle you have to swap out all the ridiculous random American parts.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where do you actually buy this though. I've never seen it on sale anywhere.

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