Who exactly is this plane marketed for? Is anyone really going to buy a 4th generation plane going forward?

Who exactly is this plane marketed for? Is anyone really going to buy a 4th generation plane going forward?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A small nation doesn’t need F-35’s to stay a regional power

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yea they’re buying block 72 vipers

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unless someone else in their region is backed by China or Russia

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      But KFC-21 is twin engine. So, more like for countries who wants F-22, and don't want to hear they can't have it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        But it’s no where near as good as an f-22. F-22s are heavily upgraded and actually have IWBs

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's "F-22 at home". Same for that new roach plane.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. F-35 was a stupid idea. Drones will dominate 21st century

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cope. Over 840 produced to date

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      t. retard

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Drones launched by fighters, yeah.
      And soon to be drones launched by fighter drones.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yea, but here we are.

      we need tactical combat aircraft and drones aren't there yet. Our "current" inventory of aircraft is dated and is being kept operating through increasingly expensive retrofit for diminishing return.

      I don't think we'll see drones replacing fighter jets for at least 10 years. Maybe by the 2040's. I think the implementation of drone helicopters, as unmanned, short/intermediate range weapons platforms will be interesting to watch. That will be easier to facilitate than drone fighter jets.

      tankers, cargo, ISTAR are fine. Those are already being replaced by drones.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >F-35 was a stupid idea
      It bought an awful lot of Americans mid-range SUVs and new houses, so imma have to disagree with you there chief.
      Economic stimulus is a priority role for a proper socialist political system

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It sold well because it’s good. It’s just better than any other jet out there right now. If you don’t invest in MIC companies atleast in your retirement accounts I don’t know what to tell you

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao it's not even as good as the F-16. It's selling because Uncle Sugar is using it as a diplomatic box of chocolates and subsidizing the living shit out it. it's a glorified missile truck that ten planes do a better job at, and will never be in a single dogfight. Not once

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >not even as good as the F-16
            At what?

            F-35 is better at stealth and sensor fusion shit, as well as being a much better BVR missile truck.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              At being a fighter plane for one thing. And as for BVR you could slap the same avionics in it as the F35 tomorrow. And keep talking about stealth when the Fat Amy can only carry 6000lbs ordnance and half it's fuel capacity vs the F-16 carrying 17000lbs

              It’s the best stealth fighter around. Why does that make you so upset

              It doesn't make me upset, it's hilarious that the one thing it can make any kind of claim of being the best at, is totally useless.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >And keep talking about stealth when the Fat Amy can only carry 6000lbs ordnance and half it's fuel capacity vs the F-16 carrying 17000lbs
                Yes, WITH full stealth the F-35 can carry ~6000lbs of ordnance.

                If we forgo some of that stealth (but still stealthier than an F-16) then we can go all the way to 18,000lbs of ordnance, but that doesn't fit your narrative so you "forgot" to mention that part.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao it's not even as good as the F-16. It's selling because Uncle Sugar is using it as a diplomatic box of chocolates and subsidizing the living shit out it. it's a glorified missile truck that ten planes do a better job at, and will never be in a single dogfight. Not once

                you might be retarded, the f-35 is more maneuverable when actually armed AND can carry more if it wants.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is probably the dumbest thing anyone has posted on /k and thats saying a lot

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It’s the best stealth fighter around. Why does that make you so upset

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dogfighting is extinct, most engagements in modern air to air combat happen over the horizon where neither plane ever see each other. So the agility of the plane is not important. What does matter is that it can get close enough to fire off all of its payload and get out of dodge without any chance of being spotted by enemy fighters nor ground AA systems

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Or you could just send a $5000 drone to do the same thing.
              Fighter planes are dead in the water. Irrelevant

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It’s just better than any other jet out there right now.
          Not the f-22

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Depends for what duty.

            For pure air superiority sure.

            For an integrated sensor fusion platform that works in a modern battlespace I'd argue the F-35 is the better platform, carries more ordnance, just as stealthy, just isn't as capable in more traditional air superiority manoeuvers which have little relevance for a modern BVR stealth missile truck.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are you a 60s air force general?

      Didn't you learn when "missiles are the future" failed?

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Poorer neutral nations that USA doesn't trust enough to sell F-35?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    According to the south koreans it will become a 5th gen by 2025

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why would anyone believe that. Of course they are going to say that. The fact is they couldn’t figure out the internal weapons bay on their own and the kf-21 would be a shit Frankenstein plane if you tried. No one is buying a plane that is going to need to be sent back to Korea for modifications.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I assume that "5th gen" == stealthy networked spotter aircraft that can feed targeting data to incoming missiles.
        This is probably a lot of what the F-35 will actually be doing during wartime given it's unim

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ehhhh, you still need to actually carry your own internal missiles to be counted as a 5th gen fighter.

          Otherwise a stealth drone that carries no ordnance but can direct long-range missiles to a target could be considered a stealth "fighter"

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Admittedly yes. But a fighter that can be a stealthy high-performance reconnaissance aircraft is probably significantly more useful on the modern battlefield than a comparably capable non-stealthy fighter (see Ukraine).

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Which is why it's a 4.5+ gen.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I get what you're saying, I was simply trying to explain the rationale South Korea was using in calling it a 5th gen aircraft.
                I don't really like the "Nth gen" categorization of combat aircraft. I think this terminology does not account for the fact that bleeding-edge aircraft of today do are not really designed for the same set of missions. The F22 intended to seal-club other aircraft, the F35 primarily meant to headhunt SAMs, and the J-20 is probably intended to snipe tankers, heavy bombers, and AWACs. The only things all these designs have in common is that they are survivable against modern integrated air-defense networks, and they have some air-to-air capability.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t believe them

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >by 2025
      How? Block 3 production (the first production version with the internal weapons bay) won't start production until 2028 at the earliest.

      So how the fuck do you get 2025?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >5th gen by 2025
      f-35 will already have upgrade packages to become 5.5th gen by that point

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's going to need major modifications to the airframe to accomplish that. Who in their right mind would buy any of these prior to that point? Basically this could fill the role of a somewhat advanced airframe that doesn't depend on having good relations with the US in order to get the parts/weapons you would need for it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Half the systems come from international partners, like the ejection seats are from the UK so Argentina ain't gonna be able to buy them for example.

        It's not like it's 100% South Korean and they can sell it to anyone they want.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s literally 95% indigenous Korean deisgn

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh please, 80-85% at best.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              85%? What I’m seeing is everything but the airframe is foreign. At which point, I’m not sure you can even call it an indigenous design.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, it was 65% in 2015 with the goal of 80-85% indigenous by 2018.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Even f35 ejection seats are from the Uk, retard.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            And?

            The UK would also block F-35 sales to Argentina

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it will become a 5th gen by 2025
      Block 1 production STARTS in 2026.

      Block 3 is when they have an internal weapons bay

      Block 1 orders will take at least 2 years to manufacture, block 2 orders will likely also take 2 or more years to manufacture. Meaning Block 3 production, if you're LUCKY will start sometime around 2030, and could easily be pushed several years depending how the Block 1 and 2 production schedule goes.

      Tldr: 5th gen by 2025 is a deluded fantasy.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why would anyone buy block 1 or 2 without weapons bays? What is this plane trying to do? By the time it’s read for block 3 2500 f-35s will be flying around

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ask South Korea, they're basically the only confirmed customer so far. They plan to order I think 60 of both Block 1 and Block 2. No confirmed numbers on Block 3 purchases but they're looking at 2032+ for that anyway, a decade away.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        How the fuck are they going to retrofit an INTERNAL weapons bay? Cuck fuel capacity and also add a bulge that fucks stealth capabilities?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They aren’t. South Korea says all kinds of shit but they’ve never delivered a single piece of high tech military gear.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No idea why they didn't just take a bit more time to do it to begin with, but as the anon says, the airframe has the space internally set aside for the weapons bay already and the block 1 and block 2 productions simply leave it unused and cover it with recessed panels.

          pic related shows an internal view, the weapons bay is at the bottom.

          They claimed it would take significant time and cause a year or two delay if they wanted to get the block 1 or block 2 to have the internal weapons bay.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why would anyone buy gen 1 or 2? All that completely wasted space

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              No one has besides south korea themselves.

              The fact it's projected to cost $80-100M already means by 2026 when it actually enters production it'll probably be $100-120M each which no one is going to pay when F-35s are $70-105M and the F-16V is $65M.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >F-35s are $70-105M
                And 4x that in operating costs over the lifecycle and most of the discount is coming from Uncle Sugar who can can yank out the rug whenever it wants and leave buyers with a plane they can't afford to fly or fix

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And you think the south korean $100m+ jet is going to be cheaper to operate despite only ~120 confirmed sales so far?

                Lmao okay.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >4x operating cost
                Source

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well the US expects to pay $1.7T over the lifetime of the F-35, with ~2500 airframes. If we divide $1.7T by 2500 we get ~$680M per airframe. Obviously this is oversimplified and includes tons of R&D and spare parts and maintenance costs and a bunch of other overhead, but clearly they're not cheap planes to operate at ~$30,000+ per flight hour in maintenance costs alone.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The cost of flight-sim hours in a F-35 is notably low, however. Lower than the gripen's flight sim.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's not unusual for an airplane, though.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Never said it was, just giving a source that the F-35 will cost multiple times its initial cost over its lifetime.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well, thing is Ukraine war left Armatard out of a job. Russia didn't have the budget to keep him onboard anymore and was getting hard even for him.

        Personally I think it's pretty brilliant how he's parlayed his extensive PrepHole shilling of Russian shit into a job for South Korea. Can appreciate that kind of go get 'em spirit.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That poor bastard, I almost feel bad for him.
          Almost

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, it was 65% in 2015 with the goal of 80-85% indigenous by 2018.

        That planned 80-85% isn't until Block III. The ADD won't make Block IIIs until they have indigenous engines and RAM. Those won't even begin testing until 2027 and seeing as how it took Korea a decade and a half to make a simple 1500hp powerpack for the K2. It could be 2 decades past 2027 that they can even make a turbofan.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >won't make Block IIIs until they have indigenous engines
          source?

          I thought they just planned on sticking with the licensed GE F414, though with some domestic parts and assembly.

          > Hanwha is to manufacture key parts, locally assemble the engines, and oversee the installation of the engine on the aircraft

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Did you mean 2035?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      SOUTH KOREA
      SUPERPOWER
      2025

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        silence, pajeet
        People with working toilets are talking.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Who exactly is this plane marketed for?
    Turd worlders
    >Is anyone really going to buy a 4th generation plane going forward?
    Turd worlders

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >4th generation going forward

    If they've got a budget then JF-17. If they've got more money and are in USA's pocket, F-16 or even F-15. If not Rafale.

    The KF-21 will be undercut by more capable 4th gens and will be beaten in pure performance by F-35's.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No one has ordered it.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wait. I thought moron plain is just Light Fighter, not a proper fighter.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      FA-50 is the light fighter, essentially an 80% scale F-16C/D

      KF-21 is kinda like an F-16 and an F-22 fucked, but a little F-35 jizz somehow got splashed in too.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        How? It isn’t stealthy. It doesn’t have an internal weapons bay. It’s not surprising no one is line to buy it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It will by block 3, it has the internal space in the airframe.

          Block 3 won't be happening until the 2030s though.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This won’t be competitive. The f35 will have been in production for 15 years at that point and the various 6th gen projects will be close to being fielded

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I agree, but South Korea gonna South Korea

              They also claim theyll do a carrier launched version for their new large carrier project.

              It's a massive waste of money to prop up domestic MIC and win votes in those districts that will get jobs from it. If SK wanted local jobs idk why they didn't try to go for what Italy and Japan have done with the F-35 where they do final assembly and some parts manufacturing domestically. Let's them keep more money in their domestic economy while employing a large number of domestic MIC companies and their employees.

              But hey, they'll potentially have something better than the F-35 in limited respects by the mid to late 2030s, so that's totally worth the billions of dollars wasted.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a massive waste of money to prop up domestic MIC

                MICs are mandatory and should be "propped up" as they are a requirement to survive a hostile world. MICs run effectively are very good to have and the few imperfections but trifles to be expected.

                Complex systems inherently operate in degraded condition. System theory is fun.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I meant more the large carrier and the carrier launched version specifically.

                They couldve just kept the medium STOVL carrier plan with F-35Bs domestically assembled with some domestic manufacturing like Italy does.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                > they'll potentially have something better than the F-35 in limited respects
                When completed it will be far inferior to the f35 and all of her upgrades. I’m sorry you guys are spending so much on a bad plane. It’s ok though because you guys bought some f35s

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >When completed it will be far inferior to the f35 and all of her upgrades.
                It will also being far cheaper.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not according to most estimates.

                KF-21 $80-100M when the F-35A is $75M

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The truth is the kf21 > f35, there are already 30+ nations evaluating the kf21, but as other anons posted its not necessarily designed for multirole, its an air superiority fighter, its nickname is baby raptor by the mic sector, there’s a reason its more expensive than the f35

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >there are already 30+ nations evaluating the kf21
                God damn I want whatever drugs you're on, they just be fantastic to give you this level of delusion/hallucinations.

                I bet you can't even name 6 countries that are ACTIVELY actually looking at buying the KF-21.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                There are 30+ head of defense secretaries that have visited kai over the past six months, some are fa50 prospects but most are considering the fa50 to get priority in kf21 units

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >but most are considering the fa50 to get priority in kf21 units
                No wants anything but Block 2+ FA-50 which adds BVR, and no one wants anything but Block 3+ KF-21 for the internal weapons bay.

                Poland is the only significant FA-50 customer so far and I doubt they give a single fuck about the KF-21

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                > and I doubt they give a single fuck about the KF-21

                Lol krauts, frogs and vatniks scared shitless of this eventuality

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No one cares

                Kf-21 is 15 years too late, by the time it's 5th gen and in production for export it'll be what, 2033 at the earliest and potentially as late as 2038 depending how production schedules go in the earlier production blocks. Who the fuck wants a 5th gen for $100M+ in 2035-2040? Especially one with a totally different spare parts supply chain without the benefits of the F-35s economy of scale

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Unlike the f35 the kf21 will work with reliability, the f35 is most effective when part of a broader command and control structure which oh by the way only the US has at a scale, all other f35 customers either have to play a supplementary role to the US or they just bought a $65 million fighter that would be no more effective than an f16v

                The kf21 on the other hand is a standalone air superiority fighter, again the baby raptor, the closest the world will get to an f22 and even then many will not be cleared to buy the boramae

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Waxing poetic about a plane that hasn't even finished its flight testing, let alone actually ready to enter service is just retarded.

                You have no idea how the KF-21 will actually perform, it's impossible to know and claiming you do know just makes you look like a moronshill.

                It'd be like claiming the F-35 is the best fighter in the world in 2006, despite the fact the F-35 wouldn't enter service for almost 10 years after that date.

                The KF-21 MIGHT be a great plane. It COULD end up an export success. But making these grandiose claims when only a single KF-21 prototype has flown so far and not a single ordered for export, you're just counting your chickens before they've hatched and it makes you look like a shill. No two ways about it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Think what you want but the global mic sector is placing a massive premium on anything made in Korea and the kf21 has ridiculously high expectations even more so than other weapons sold

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                > kf21 has ridiculously high expectations
                Can I see them?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No your opinion is irrelevent, your just a tourist

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pretending you've got some sekrit insider knowledge of the global MIC feelings towards the KF-21 doesn't make you seem more believable, it honestly makes you look even more like a shill. I want actual proof not some gay saying "dude trust me" as he jerks off the KF-21 for the 3rd month in a row

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The kf21 on the other hand is a standalone air superiority fighter, again the baby raptor, the closest the world will get to an f22 and even then many will not be cleared to buy the boramae
                Air superiority? lmao what will you even do with a 4.5th gen fighter with a shoddy bodykit in the fucking 2030s? KF-21 will be nothing more than easy prey to the Raptors of that era (6th gen fighters).

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only 5th generation fighter is the F35

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does the KF-21 have thrust vectoring?

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The KF-21 is more of a short range dogfighter than the F-35. Good for giving air cover while the F-35 hits ground targets.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is anyone really going to buy a 4th generation plane going forward?
    Plenty air forces bought prop planes even after the jet fighters entered production because of costs and lack of logistical machine to sustain them. The modern equivalent is buying 4th gen because you don't have access to the infocentric data networks that make 5th gen so capable

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The people who want a modern affordable fighter jet but aren't into findom and lockeed DRM remote killswitches.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is that a knock off f-22?
    Gay

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kind of

      It's an F-22/F-16/F-35 hybrid retardation. The first 2 production blocks are closer to the F-16, the later blocks will become closer to the F-22.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The thing is that NO ONE can have F-22s, because Murica is not selling, and can't make new ones anyway.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      More like a knock off F35 with no internal weapons bay.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it costs the same as an f-16 and performs the same, people will buy it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They're already projecting $80-100M per airframe, which means when it actually gets built in 2026+ it'll probably be closer to $100-120M

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If South Korea ships it to Ukraine, Ukraine will eagerly buy it.

    But I doubt South Korea (or SWEDEN) has the ambition to corner a market before America does.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why doesn't some country just say "we'll provide air cover for Ukraine as a special training operation" and start fucking up the black sea fleet or something? What's Russia gonna do? They can't afford to fight another country.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They'll chimp out and nooook

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >we don’t NEED 4th gen multirole fighters
    Yeah, the Su-34 designed in 1991 and just starting serial production in 2014 is a much better option kek

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >designed in 1991
      Ope I was wrong, first flight was in 1990. You morons can’t even make a Soviet legacy design work for you lmao

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Designed in the 1980's before the fall of the soviet union.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is anyone really going to buy a 4th generation plane going forward?
    MiG-21s will be used on mars.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      why would the US send a MiG-21 to mars?

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >4th generation
    4.5 generation for the initial version. Obvious 5th gen design and space for internal weapons bay. Drone compatibility has been emphasized for a long fucking time and so it's moving in the right direction for the future.
    >production in 2026
    deployment in 2026. Mass production starts in 2024.
    >but the F-35
    is only available to select allies and the waitlist is already ten miles long. Not to mention that the USAF operates a shit ton of 4th gen as it is despite all the cope that "the F-35 is cheap now". The DOD has even stated that not every mission requires 5th gen and that 4th gen still has a definite place even in the most modern air force.
    >not 100% indigenous
    Neither is the F-35. Aside from the engine, KF-21 is about as indigenous as the F-35. US blocked tech transfer of AESA radar, IRST, targeting pod, and RF jammer. So thank congress for how indigenous the KF-21 is.
    >but 6th gen
    French have the current best 4.5 gen and they released a statement saying that the FCAS will be delayed by a decade or so. Thinking the Brits or japs will beat the French when the eurofighter and the f2 is inferior to the rafale is just peak cope. US is in no rush to release 6th gen until someone else does so it doesn't cut into F-35 sales.

    Seethe harder

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mass production starts in 2024
      Yea, maybe producing 5-10/year in 2024/25 with actual production starting in 2026.
      > South Korea is seeking to begin mass production of the jets by 2026, with the air force to acquire 40 planes
      > With the cost of each jet somewhere between US$80 million and US$100 million

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dunno what retarded source you're reading but this one's straight from the horse's mouth
        >KF-21 fighter prototypes should also pass an interim test to assess and measure their operational suitability for combat in 2023 to begin mass production in 2024
        >Jung explained the cost of the KF-21 fighter jet and its operation and maintenance appropriations would be lower than other 4.5-generation fighter jets such as the French-made Le Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon.
        https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20220811000825
        There hasn't been a single announcement about the KF-21's price so the fact that you're trying is absolute gayry.

        Though I think F-16V will sell more than the KF-21

        >50 year old airframe
        >Forces customers to buy secondhand and upgrade it
        >At the end of its lifecycle
        Good luck with those sales.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          customers to buy secondhand and upgrade it
          Why do you keep repeating this lie?

          I've told you half a dozen times now, they moved the production line to Georgia from Texas and they're still making brand new airframes.

          No one is being forced to buy old airframes you dumb moron.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Who exactly is this plane marketed for?
    South Korea
    >Is anyone really going to buy a 4th generation plane going forward?
    Yes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Though I think F-16V will sell more than the KF-21

  21. 2 months ago
    Indian Shill

    Majority of USAF is literally 3.5 and 4th gen fighters. They haven't even transitioned into 4.5 gen fighters

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Huh? The USAF flies F-15C/E, F-16C, F-22, and F-35A. With plans to upgrade around 600 of the F-16C to F-16V standards.

      These are all 4th gen or higher planes.

      3rd gen would be like the F-4 phantom that left service decades ago.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Huh? The USAF flies F-15C/E, F-16C, F-22, and F-35A. With plans to upgrade around 600 of the F-16C to F-16V standards.

      These are all 4th gen or higher planes.

      3rd gen would be like the F-4 phantom that left service decades ago.

      Forgot Pic

      They're also buying a few dozen F-15EX and might upgrade some of the rest

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        those are some old numbers. usaf inventory has 300 f-35s now

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Rest are trainers.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    SK confirmed operational + ordered fighters:

    F35a, 40 operational, 20 ordered
    KF21, 120 ordered
    F15K, 59 operational
    F16V, 166ly operational/undergoing upgrades
    FA50, 60 operational

    South Korea has easily the best air force outside the US

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >South Korea has easily the best air force outside the US
      Factually wrong

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lololol posting something from decades ago again nip?

        Japan has 21 operational f35s and 147 f15s that it, everything else is garbage that would get blown out of the skies by even chinese planes

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          > Korean F-16s count
          > Japanese F-2s don't count
          > Korean future KF-21 and F-35 orders count
          > Japanese future F-X and F-35 orders don't count
          > Korean training aircraft count towards the total
          > Japanese training aircraft don't count towards the total

          Well good thing you're fair and unbiased with your evaluations.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            F2s are widely considered a tremendous failure by Japan, price of two f35s with 50% performance of a standard f16 + dangerously consistent reliability issues like jets exploding on takeoff or cockpit shells constantly falling off mid flight

            The fx is a joke if it ever gets produced with the tempest it will be operational around 2040+ and even then it will be a strategic choice for Japan, UK, Italy to forego the US export fighters, no scenario these countries will get to use whatever garbage they develop AND lockheed martin selling their latest fighters to these countries its either or, the reason why SK get both is because LM is part of both the kf21 and fa50 development

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              > dangerously consistent reliability issues like jets exploding on takeoff or cockpit shells constantly falling off mid flight
              Yet not a single fatal accident has ever happened with the F-2 despite your bullshit claims

              You're just further outing yourself as the moronshill we all know you are.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The greatest critic of the f2 is the jap air force, jap pilots hate that plane many are downright fearful of flying f2s as well

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes please tell me more without sourcing any claims you make in an attempt to shit on anything Japanese while suck starting anything Korean.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                South Korea 2023 military budget: $41 billion at current exchange rates, 50 million population

                Japan 2023 military budget: $36 billion at current exchange rates, 125 million population

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I always forget that Japan has that many people they are so insignificant in the defense sector, basically the Indonesia or the arms industry

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                SK mogs

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I like that you used decent exchange rates specifically to make it look as bad as possible for Japan

                Really keeping that moronshill bias front and center.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >decent
                Recent

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You realize most currency analyst project the yen to go to 170+?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Japan is effectively a third world country at 150, its at 149 now…

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ask youself if any country would take 10 f2s for the price of 20 f35s, lol, the f2 is the laughing stock of the aerospace industry especially when japan started painting them all sorts of creative patterns to try to cover up this hunk of barely flying trash

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                moron the difference is when you buy an F-35 all the money and jobs go to the US.
                When Japan built the F-2 a TON of that money stayed in the domestic Japanese economy and provided thousands of domestic jobs.
                Also it was the 90s, 15+ years before the F-35 would be delivered.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lol Japan is the largest holder of US government bonds, who does that money go to? Do you think the US will ever pay it back? Lolololol

                If Japan asked for repayment the US would probably respond with a few more nukes, the biggest holdup in history worse than ww2 or the plaza accord

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Japan doesn't want repayment, they WANT the dollar to be worth more than the Yen so that they can export to the US easier and more readily grow their economy. It's also why China owns about $1T in US treasury bonds as well.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lol delusion cope knows no bounds

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your understanding of economics is truly inspirational.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I suppose Japan needs a weak currency to sell cheap exports can’t compete on auality alone obviously

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Japan has 21 operational f35s and 147 f15s that it,
          Nice cope moronshill but irl the #734 F-35 has been spotted flying, so they have at least 34 now, that's already more than the number on the pic. I'm pretty sure more than 40 will be operational by the end of next year.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        South Korea 2023 military budget: $41 billion at current exchange rates, 50 million population

        Japan 2023 military budget: $36 billion at current exchange rates, 125 million population

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >gets cocky and brutally mogged by Chadpan as always

        oh no no no no moronshill sisters

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        SK confirmed operational + ordered fighters:

        F35a, 40 operational, 20 ordered
        KF21, 120 ordered
        F15K, 59 operational
        F16V, 166ly operational/undergoing upgrades
        FA50, 60 operational

        South Korea has easily the best air force outside the US

        isn't the quality of an air force just the number of F35s?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Depends on the country and their needs.

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