One country has asked for permission to send tanks.
It wasn't Poland.
Poland still hasn't asked for permission but announced it will do so soon and send them regardless of whether permission is given (but only after the German foreign minister already said it would be given which makes the threat a bit toothless).
Who does /k/ think is the country that DID ask for permission?
Finland? Denmark? Sweden or Norway?
Spain?
Wildcard: it's a third world nation like Indonesia.
I'd bet 100 bucks on it being a baltic country. Likely Estonia.
Asking permission to export tanks you don't have seems a bit superfluous.
Estonia doesn't have tanks. Not just no Leopards just no tanks at all.
How? Why'd they make that statement about sending their artillery to fight russians when they weren't willing to even build up atank force to do so?
tanks are utterly useless here. Its either bottomless swampland or forests so thick you cant get trough them even with tanks. Javelin assassin squads will make short work of any armored assault here.
My Black person you need Wiesels. They can handle any forest and zip around the swamps.
We have amphibious Bandvagn 206's, these have insane terrain capabilities
Plus they're cute, CUTE!
Nah, they should take the CVRT pill like we did
It's a tiny nation with 1.3 million inhabitants. There's a big NATO presence there and they have CV90s and Patrias. That's as tanky as it gets I guess.
>1.3 million inhabitants
Even I start getting thoughts about annexing them when I read that.
Let's make a deal. You round up and shoot all the russian speakers we have and I'll give you Ida-Virumaa.
Does she come with export restrictions or may I resell her without permission?
The prime minister is not for sale
Sorry. As a german moderate, genocide of ethnic minorities is in my blood. I thought she would be my present. As I am happily married, I thought of re-exporting her to some arabian prince so I can get rid of my mortgage. And buy some more guns, of course.
He was offering the eastern region of Estonia in a sly attempt to get someone to give them a buffer zone.
There are no tanks in Baltics. AFAIK even ones for excercises are limited to 4..5 units to not endanger Puccya.
No Baltic nation has any tanks. Best we got is IFV's. We have no strategic depth of any kind against Russia, so best we can do is gorrilla warfare
man, Hitler should have just run with a beard...
>Joel Hansen here, today we will try the Eastern European challenge
I've come to realize that the Baltics are the most based countries in all of Europe.
euros could be living as well as they like to pretend they do if they exterminated all the krauts and frogs and let Estonia and Lithuania take charge.
I did 🙂
Based.
Canada
>Defence Minister Anita Anand says she has “no news to share” on whether Canada is willing to send some of its battle tanks to Ukraine — should Germany greenlight the export — following a meeting of 50 allied defence leaders this week.
canada is surprisingly tight-lipped, or
quiet anyway about this sort of thing. did you know they arm the saudis?
yeah it pops up on the news every other year or so
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-saudi-arabia-top-export-destination-for-canadian-arms-after-united/
Leaf here, the Canadian government wont tell anyone a fricking thing if they don't have to.
This is doubly true with anything to do with supplying arms to other countries.
Not Norway. The parliament is having a meeting tonight to decide if we want to send any. To ask before the decision is even made would be bolder than this government has been so far, and an unwise step diplomatically if the parliament ends up voting it down.
>If you do not agree to my request I will reject your input and carry it out regardless
>because I don't want my image and authority further undermined, I will agree to your request, but you have to make it formally
>I will now make my request formally, and you will agree, having been strongarmed into the least damaging situation
German government said weeks ago that they would give permission if asked. Poland just didn't ask because an approved export license doesn't work well with their policy goal of trying to make germany look bad
welcome to politics, pretty much everyone is a chickenshit bureaucrat
Finland.
>Polish PM makes an announcement of a following announcement
Getting kinda tired of those, they had literal months to prepare, why are they still waiting?
Greens, major parts of the SPD and the entire CDU have said they want to send Leopards months ago.
Weapon transfers go through parliament so Scholz doesn't actually make that decision which means they could have sent them months ago if they would have asked.
I wonder if it's one of those moronic situations where politicians ignored the obvious for months and just didn't do anything instead of following the obvious solution.
Durr, what is politics??? DEEERP.
Poles don't want to just be denied. They want Germans to deny them for months on air and then if Scholtz doesn't break they'll send some anyway and pretend they didn't need to ask. That's how you exert pressure.
>Poles don't want to just be denied. They want Germans to deny them for months on air and then if Scholtz doesn't break they'll send some anyway and pretend they didn't need to ask. That's how you exert pressure.
See
There was no need to expert pressure, just a need to ask.
You're daft if you think a vote was a sure thing. That's diffuse responsibility. Muh someone or another wuz for it n shiet. They'd vote against it if the whole media circus wasn't already rolling. The ruling coalition members would fall in line and then end up defending their decision and no leos would be sent. Estonia jumped in bit earlier for 5 minutes of spotlight.
But ofc Germans have to pretend they always WANTED leos in Ukraine. It's just that they didn't send any before others did and before that their leadership adamantly rejected any such ideas. Whole board crawling with little grossgermanium pests trying to do damage control. Go play some stellaris already or w/e.
Grilling Germany is how Ukraine will get more equipment, it will not happen any other way. German govt is STILL developing gas infrastructure, just beginning new infrastructure projects this year. They did not give up on the Russians.
Anon you're moronic.
The leader of the Greens and vice chancellor said last year already he's fir sending Leopards, so are all of the Greens and the CDU, which is a much more popular party than the SPD. Large parties of the SPD are for it too but even if all of them obey Scholz IF he even would have tried to block it, which isn't sure either, then there still would have been the FDP.
>Large parties of the SPD are for it too but even if all of them obey Scholz
They wouldn't by the way.
>Grilling Germany is how Ukraine will get more equipment, it will not happen any other way. German govt is STILL developing gas infrastructure, just beginning new infrastructure projects this year. They did not give up on the Russians
Pic related, your entire post is moronic and wrong.
Germany sent the second most aid worldwide and America gave half of Europe to communists.
>Germany has already declined the offer.
I can only imagine the downright raucous laughter down at Habeck's ministry when that offer arrived. Germany's switching over to non-Russian gas. The infrastructure has been effectively seized, the LNG terminals and new logistics lines are nearing completion and the prices aren't nearly as bad as everyone feared. It's a done deal, Russia's lost their biggest gas customer and will never get that income line back.
>The ruling coalition members would fall in line
The majority of the ruling coalition and opposition has been in favor of sending tanks for months. If they would fall in line that would mean permissions would be granted because they sure as frick wouldn't listen to Scholz instead of their own party leadership.
There's more than just the SPD in Germany, you know?
Greens, CDU and FDP have 405 seats in parliament, even if the entirety of the SPD would vote against it, which wouldn't happen, they'd still have a majority.
Literally everything Poland had to do was ask and it took the German foreign minister, Baerbock the old c**t, to literally spell it out in a public interview for them to announce wanting to do it with the silly add-on that now that there's not just an obvious majority in parliament for it but also explicit approval by a leading minister saying Germany wouldn't vote against it instead of just giving her personal opinion that they'd send them no matter what.
Habeck said like 4 months ago he's all for sending German tanks and he's the vice chancellor for frick's sake.
>Poles don't want to just be denied. They want Germans to deny them for months on air
But no denial happened, all poles did was waste everybody's time.
No, Klaus, Germany wasted everyone's time by not sending leopards nine months ago, and making it clear they didn't give a flying frick who else sent them in this particular conflict.
Big ol' fricking waste of time, and lives. Down to Germany.
See
If you didn't ask to be able to send tanks there is 0 reason to believe you wanted to send them at all.
No no no, don't deflect.
The waste of time is Germany's, because they didn't send their own, by their own power and initiative, and declare it open season. Anything but this is a total waste of time. And any waste of time is blood on German hands.
Germany had the capacity to show leadership, and it shied away from this. It's one thing to provide a lot of aide, but leadership is also required. The reason the debate has played out the way it has, is other nations were, over and over again, waiting for Germany to show leadership and give permission, which is still the fastest way.
In other words, the situation required a quick solution, not an adherence to process. That is the case *if* you value Ukrainian lives.
Do not attempt rhetorical maneuvers. There is no room.
>poland says it totally wants to send tanks but Germany says no
>only has to ask to be able to send them
>doesn't
Vs
>Germany says it will send tanks as long as there's a broad coalition of countries doing so too
>that broad coalition still doesn't exist because most countries would prefer not to
Idk anon, sounds like PiSsoids have just been takking shit without acting on it for months while Scholz stuck to his plans to share the burden among many countries.
>inb4 but muh 12 challengers
Yeah, that doesn't really do much in regards to sharing any burden.
Would be really kino if they put a shitton of armor on them and make them heavy tanks though.
thanks for all the abrams, burgers
>Germany had the capacity to show leadership, and it shied away from this.
Germany doesn't want to lead Europe anymore and has been telling you ungrateful c**ts that for 20 years which is why they let France do it and only stopped in when France absolutely refused to.
Leading Europe isn't worth the hassle because everybody complains and nobody's interested in being led, they just want money.
Well, there's a small coalition of the willing with countries such as the Netherlands and (in most regards at least) the Danes, but that one's only expanding very slowly and is mostly based not on German leadership but regularly aligning interests and a widespread dogma eroding nation states and wanting Europe to grow into one.
If you want to find out who's serious about that look up which smaller countries have been integrating their militaries.
Hint: You won't need more than one hand to count.
Anybody talking about leadership from Germany while forgetting that it's a two-way street and the loudest complainers have been both the most unwilling to follow and the most vocal about a German dictatorship deserves a bullet.
>germany had the capacity to show leadership, and it shied away from this
This is the part that's fricking unbelievable to me
Germany and France are the two paragons of homosexualry that have turned the EU into the fricking postmodern nightmare that it is, and those money grubbing kraut scum have taken every single opportunity to swallow the dick of anyone who can slightly benefit them since the wall fell
And then they get a chance to stop actual genocide and actual autocratic dictatorship - the thing they've been self-flagellating over for the past 80 Fricking years, and they go limp as my late grandfather's dick.
Hitler said one (1) correct thing near the end when he said "It doesn't matter if we win or lose, the best people are already lost" His fricking war destroyed all the courage and dignity in the Germ gene pool, only homosexualry remains.
See
Dumb homosexual.
They only said that AFTER the German foreign minister told them to fricking ask already so they can say yes.
So it's just another PiSsoid propaganda cope.
>hey only said that AFTER the German foreign minister told them to fricking ask already
I think they at least implied earlier that they were gonna send no matter what to increase the pressure on Germany. But yeah, no country would be dumb enough to break those kinds of agreements.
>Germany had the capacity to show leadership
Thatnis kimda the problem, if Germany takes leadership, everyone will cry how German is dominating everyone. If it went south, everyone can blame Germany for fricking it up and everyone didnt want to do this.
This is how these countries oppose the EU parliament. Everything is the EUs fault, never the own fault of the goverment of (insert EU country name). Nobody wants to be the first because than they can be held responsible for it or say they fricked it up.
It is all about who is the scapegoat!
i don't think you understand the role of the EU parliament. you overestimate its power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_legislative_procedure
Only 21/27 EU countries are part of NATO.
F.ex. Austria isn't breaking its constitution and stops being neutral.
The analogy is pretty fitting. Which is one of the reasons Germany is insisting on a coalition acting in unison. The position is sensible for many reasons, but the communication is bad.
>not sending Leopards 9 months ago
Ah yes, because sending tanks nobody in Ukraine had any training on, let alone any kind of logistical infrastructure for, would have been such a great move and not completely fricking moronic.
Australia found some spare in the shed in the back paddock.
How do international arms deals like Leo’s to Poland work? You would assume it’s now Poland’s property and they can do whatever they want with it, but they need to ask Germany if they can use them however they want. Why?
Arms deals have clauses, the most standard clause being
>don't resell without permission
It's how America was able to send its weaponry to allies without having to worry about them just selling them to the soviets.
>It's how America was able to send its weaponry to allies without having to worry about them just selling them to the soviets.
I think the risk of pissing the Americans off so much they might be tempted to free the frick out of you might have played a role too.
Anon, it’s more about the fact that whenever you break that clause, no one will ever sell you anything ever again. Like nothing. You will be cut off from the international arms trade if you ever fricked with that clause.
Because the contracts for international arms deals always include re-export clauses. Basically the current owner of the weapons has to ask the producer if they can transfer them to a new buyer.
If it's true the US is willing to give countries that send Leopards M1s then I could see the Netherlands or Canada asking. Both of them love gibs.
I think the Dutch got rid of theirs when they integrated their armored forces into the German ones.
>Ok Poland you can send the Leos
>BUT WE WOULD HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT THE PERMISSION
>Ok but you have the permission
>WE DONT NEED THE PERMISSION, TAKE THE PERMISSION AWAY REEEE
Seriously, what in the actual frick is wrong with Poles. Very messed up people.
Meanwhile in real life ruling coalition in Germany is about to fall apart because they argue about sending tanks among themselves.
You "REEEEEE POLAND!!!" homosexuals are hilarious.
bullshit.
there's no threat of ending the coalition from anyone.
As a Pole, I'm in stitches because I imagined the old PiSsers doing literally that.
OH so now they are going to ask all of a sudden? I thought they didn't care about permission. Showing their true face. Big mouth and that's it.
so there will be a weapons deal is what it means, where tanks are bought and sold at great profits
>WE ARE SENDING DA THOUSANDS OF TANKS RUSSIA IS FINISHED
>gets nuked
you natoids are in for a surprise
b8
I'M
GONNA
NOOOOOOK
>>gets nuked
>Gets nuked by NATO in return, but this time for real
Now what, Ivan? You don't have enough working nukes to destroy NATO. So after nuclear holocaust we will live, but you won't.
Literally (You) right now.
>Canada
>Czech Republic
>Denmark
>Slovakia
>Netherlands
One of those
Canada would be a fun surprise. Now that I think about it, has canada send anything at all?
Canada is in the top 5 for support/GDP. We've mostly sent artillery and financial aid .
Been pretty quiet about it tho, or at least the news have not breached through here on euroside.
Canada has "mostly" sent things Canada makes - ammo and fuel.
The artillery pieces and financial aid just got better publicity.
> 200 Senator Armoured Personnel Carriers
>1 NASAMS system
>4(?) M777
Also a ton of ammunition, M72 rocket launchers, Carl Gustavs, drones and surveillance stuff, winter gear etc
Definitely not the most generous supporter of Ukraine but they did send a good amount. The first two on the list were announced this month so it looks like they might be ramping up deliveries so who knows
Nobody did it, Germans decided to try playing the game and see if the Poles blink first.
That would be hilarious.
But I'm sure Poland will file the official request eventually. I mean, they've had months to prepare so surely they've got that shit ready to go.
>will send them even without consent
Nice PR move, but I highly doubt they'd be stupid enough to do that
Definitely not Denmark. Half of ours are in the Baltic right now, and those few that run of the other half should be used for training but its in reality just backups for the deployed leopards. We gave all our artillery away because the artillery brigade is not active yet, and it is hoped that that commitment will make it easier to refrain from giving leopards.
My bet is the Netherlands with the moves they been making lately. It would also be very Dutch just to apply officially for permission without any fuss, instead of only whining about it on twitter.
Ask already you annoying little shits
Poland this, Poland that and they never even asked in the first place
>German government does something moronic
Oh it's not us germans! It's sholz and SPD! We have nothing to do with it!
>PiS does something moronic
Those stupid polacks! Obsessed with germany! Always against us!
I like you germbros, but holy frick you german /k/ gays are annoying as shit. I honestly hope this is some elaborate vatnik psyop from both sides to make us hate each other.
>vatnik psyop
Wouldn't even surprise me
But let's not pretend all polebros here stand behind their government 100% because both Poland and Germany are pretty JUSTed as far as ruling parties go
Pole here, i have nothing but seething hatred for our gubmint, and i would like to see all them motherfrickers thrown ino woodchipper feet first.
But i hate russians way more, and as long as our government sends shit to ukraine to kill vatniks, i will unflinchingly support them in this single particular issue.
What's the tl;dr on Polish government?
Not the best, not the worst. As far as i can tell there were much, much worse govmints. AWS was a shit show not worth talking about, PO - PSL was probably even more corrupt than PiS, and fricked with free press pretty hard when Tusk got cought on tape saying some spicy things pic rel. Overall Polish zoomers got hardcore brainwashed into hating PiS because they don't remember life under other govs. Btw never voted PiS and probably never will.
A party that LARPs as right wing conservative but proceeded to outdo even the post-commie leftists in the socialist gibs department.
>Overall Polish zoomers got hardcore brainwashed into hating PiS because they don't remember life under other govs.
My sides
It's the other way round
Anon, you don't seem to remember even the first time pis ruled, because forget comparisons to other parties, they would now lose even to their previous tenure, in terms of economics at least
At least last time PiS took out a lot of garbage from Polish politics.
Granted, they did it by packing it into a plane and flying it into an armored tree, but still, it's an achievement.
But do you also suppport how pis is playing politics by doing everything they can to make germany look bad for domestic suppport? Because i've seen a lot more germs shitting on scholz for being a limp dick coward that i've seen polacks shitting on pis for being opportunistic two faced twats.
>But do you also suppport how pis is playing politics by doing everything they can to make germany look bad for domestic suppport?
As an American I can say that I fully support it, because it's funny watching Germany get bullied.
The majority of Germans isn't even aware this is happening at all
Only about 15% of the people would vote for the SPD right now and they didn't get much more during the election.
I don't think that's applicable to PiS especially si ce they've been in charge for way longer.
And people that support PiS are 60+ year old boomers with brains rotted by the commies and walfare collecting brainlets that can't fricking point germany is on a map.
>15% vote SPD
And yet here we are
Ironically all the SPD have left are old union boomers who voted the same party for 40 years. The leftist youth all went to the greens.
Sadly commies ruined beards in his time.
>pic rel
What's the story?
Nothing you wrote has anything to do with what he wrote, weeb.
>I honestly hope this is some elaborate vatnik psyop from both sides to make us hate each other.
I've already seen examples of that on both sides.
shooo from here serbBlack person, go watch some more blacked porn
your father will never come back
Someone went to the trouble of making this for some fricking reason.
probably spain, they already tried to send 2A4s to uukraine
Very organic thread, I am now demoralised and hate Poland.
It’s funny and I have a slight idea why they are doing it. We will see by the end of the week. No I won’t elaborate. Bye.
Even if countries just send their Leopards, whats German gonna do?
Not sell them weapons next time? Kick them outta EU/NATO?
INVADE? With Russia?
I don't understand what's going on with those tanks.
It’s a lot of political show to keep the crowd interested and the Russians guessing. Some pieces are not in place yet. They will be sent eventually and the announcement should come soon.
The issue is generating a lot of noise and that is by design.
I don't understand this asking permission shit. If you own some tanks, you can send them wherever you want without asking permission it making announcements because it's your property. What this political corclejerk shit?
Do you think the US let's you resell the F-35s your country bought from them
anti-usa coalition is forming too. france germany hungary is going their own way and maybe some others too. it's looking grim.
You are either trolling or majorly moronic.
The sacrifice of poland ist a risk I am willing to take.
>permission to sends
why would you get your English news from ESLs?
It's just a type you moron.
The anon's moronic but there's been rumbling about that for awhile and today the CDU told the Greens and FDP to just fricking do it because Scholz is worthless.
But they won't and since the FDP might get kicked out of parliament while the SPD would lose a ton of votes there won't be a reelection either.
I could maybe see Chile switching from Leopard to Abrams
Singapore as well
Frick this shit makes me so fricking angry
I'm no fan of Germany but I don't understand why everyone is acting so moronic aroundthis