Whistleblower tells t online of secret meeting about Taurus

>tl;dr
>The operation of Taurus requires immense data processing, "It's not about giga- or Terabytes but extremely high data volumes which require specialized systems" (Sounds like quantum computing to me)
>Germany would need to program the missiles, which would be a direct attack on Russia by Germany, so not an option
>Transferring the systems to Ukraine would require training for the Ukranians
>Those systems aren't easily built and are also used for other tasks, so Germany's capability to defend itself would be reduced to an inacceptable degree.
>Those systems also can't fall into Russian hands by any means
>A monkey model could be sent, which wouldn't require all that processing, but it would be comparable to Storm Shadow and not be able to change the situation

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/militaer-verteidigung/id_100364946/taurus-debatte-olaf-scholz-liefert-wirklich-nicht-in-die-ukraine.html

There is also lots of hilarious lobbyism drama going on now, but that is off topic, also seems like they want to memory hole this whole affair.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't the manufacturer that produces them already debunk some of that stuff, like how they could easily produce more for restock but no one fricking asks?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. This is all bullshit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >you need 10 years of troooooooooooooooning to operate it

        Same excuse as with the F-16 (memoryholed, by the way).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Didn't the manufacturer that produces them already debunk some of that stuff, like how they could easily produce more for restock but no one fricking asks?

        Exactly this tercom tech has existed since the 90s and could be fitted into a raspberry pi module.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's about the computers, read Black person

      >it would be comparable to Storm Shadow and not be able to change the situation
      So uuhhh... What does the German only Taurus do that the sonic missile doesn't do?

      You can basically delete any target inside a 500km. radius and Russia can't do shit about it.
      Could just strike the Kreml and tell the missile to detonate on a certain floor.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It's about the computers, read Black person
        you are a moron it's all lies

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >it would be comparable to Storm Shadow and not be able to change the situation
    So uuhhh... What does the German only Taurus do that the sonic missile doesn't do?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      goin fast @ incredble hihg sped

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Some fancy terrain following tech that allows the missile to skim tree tops and a system that makes the missile find the optimal attack angle on target for maximum penetration.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The German NIGRVM TAVRVS is the epithome of air dominance.
      Let's start by looking at his specificatione. His warhead is large. His domineering size makes his presence known without him even needing to point himself out. The two-stage MEPHISTO warhead of German NIGRVM TAVRVS can penetrate far deeper recesses than the pathetic bri*ish stowm shadow

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In addition to knowing where it is and where it isn't, the missile also knows where it could be and where it couldn't be. That's the advantage of quantum computing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Don't forget it knows where it should be and where it's target would be.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Underrated. It's Schrödinger's missile, blyat!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >So uuhhh... What does the German only Taurus do that the sonic missile doesn't do?

      Same manufacturer, same european integrated technolocal/military complex, same-ish weight, same-ish form factor, same-ish charge weight... my bet is that despite the high claims you see left and right, there is absolutely nothing game-changingto the Taurus compared with the Storm Shadow. Maybe marginaly longer ranged, marginaly stealthier on paper, etc... but my bet is that all this is wrapped in so much german overengineering autismo that the system is actually enemployable in an actual shooting war, beyond a qualification test.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but my bet is that all this is wrapped in so much german overengineering autismo that the system is actually enemployable in an actual shooting war, beyond a qualification test.
        Sounds to me like they just don't want to supply it, because the volume of missiles isn't there and even if they were to supply the volume of missiles available it would do exactly frick-all to change the strategic situation.
        The entirety of the MIC and defense departments began b***hing about "having forgotten" coldwar planning, strategy and capabilities, which is true to some extent, but the biggest problems is how European were chronically underfunded, had too much bureaucratic bloat and were token forces tasked with NATO missions. This underfunding can be directly seen in what stocks are available and what production capability is available as well, which is fricking abysmall.

        I bet most of these career-officers and defense department bureaucrats must be a little nervous just in case someone takes a good hard look on what they were spending the money on in the past couple of years and how much they wasted on stupid shit that decreased readiness. Not that it's likely that we're going to see an audit or purge of these pseudo-politicians, but one can dream.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Correct. It was obvious from the leaked call that they simply didn’t WANT to give them; they cited ridiculous excuses like training time and programming them, then came out with this excuse about about needing quantum computing etc. The government started a project to help supply Ukraine with advanced long-range weapons but bureaucrats are pushing back with excuses because they don’t WANT to provide the weapons for reasons that they don’t want to say probably because it would make them look bad.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think it goes further than showing it makes them look bad. It direchtly tarnishes everything they've been doing thus far, bring into question the doctrine they've been following and would diminsh and detterence effect such weapons might have if it turns out availability and quantity makes them have negligble impact.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >then came out with this excuse about about needing quantum computing etc.
            Yeah, no. That was something OP made up. Try to be less stupid than OP, it really shouldn't be hard.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >what is hyperbolic language
              Take your own advice.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting that it can apparently fly below routes 15m thats actually pretty impressive

    the data is twofold as far as I remember, one set for the flight path and some kind of modeling for the target, so the seeker can recognize it. this second data set make a strike on the bridge difficult. but ammo dump would be fine and you don't need the precision to hit a pillar there

    no matter if its good or bad i would just like the blue balling to stop.
    but i assume there is value in threats/wargames too. russia has to prepare for a potential strike thus it binds AD etc

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Taurus has its origin of providing a cruise missile for nuclear sharing and basically bombing Soviet places in the total war with basically all infrastructure destroyed

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The operation of Taurus requires immense data processing
    cruise missile mission planning, something USAF perfected in late 80s, is a herculean IT effort for the Germans? grim

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >is a herculean IT effort for the Germans?

      Writing code is harder than building another fast, loud car marketed to affluent members of migrant community (döner restaurant owners and drug dealers), please understand.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Writing code

        Black person writing code for industrial application is a field where Germany takes a big chunk of the market.
        The problem are the processing centres for the data. The missiles can be replenishes in a year or two but lagacy systems with code that is written only for them and probably only works for them is another can of worms

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you ever used any software developed in Germany, then you will see why this makes complete sense.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the taurus is meant as a low flying cruise missile that circumvents enemy air defense, so it has to do a lot of turns and curves that probably have to be preprogrammed using good map data and knowledge about the location of enemy air defenses. you could probably let them fly a straight line as well, but then the interception chance would be high.

        thats my guess.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Probably the reason why the us did send so many data centres to Ukraine with their Cruise missiles.

      >Oh wait they did not

      Taurus will wait until monke is in bed and then fly in through the roof and stab the monke.

      I mean that why you can program where it explodes in the target.

      >sensors picking up an obstacle and the fly-by-wire actuating to dodge it
      none of this is reliant on a datalink

      No datalink but probably a direction sheet like a rallycar navigatior that's needs to be pretty precise with trees and and other obstacles.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      German software devs are mostly russians, anon.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its just bullshit, its not THAT much data, for 0.3m resolution altitude mapping for Ukraine and Western Russia you're only talking 20 - 30 terabytes - a few data-centre hard drives basically.

    >Transferring the systems to Ukraine would require training for the Ukranians
    &
    >Germany would need to program the missiles, which would be a direct attack on Russia by Germany, so not an option
    Cancel each other out. If the Ukrainians are trained to use them they don't need Germany for the targeting.

    systems aren't easily built and are also used for other tasks, so Germany's capability to defend itself would be reduced to an inacceptable degree.
    So, partition the data handed over to the combat area and theres no problem.

    >Those systems also can't fall into Russian hands by any means
    Fine? Station them in Lyiv, and keep a couple of squads of special forces with transport on the Polish border.

    Germany needs to stop being a giant pussy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      trips of truth

      this is bullshit, especially the one about data; Taurus was first delivered in 2005. Fricking Reddit was launched then. Don't tell me computers today can't handle that early 00s military software.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nice disinfo campaign Scholz, but you're not wiggling your way out of this, the manufacturer already called bullshit on your excuses.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there's starting to form some legendary myth around this fricking ugly piece of missile. it's simple. germany don't trust this to ukraininan hands or russians succesfully shooting it down and inspect it.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The operation of Taurus requires immense data processing, "It's not about giga- or Terabytes but extremely high data volumes which require specialized systems"
    This part is flagrant bullshit to say the least.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Germany would need to program the missiles, which would be a direct attack on Russia by Germany, so not an option
    Dropped reading after this bullshit, that wouldn't be a direct attack on russia by Germany. Go back.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Germany would need to program the missiles, which would be a direct attack on Russia by Germany, so not an option
    Bongs are already doing that with storm shadow, who cares? Krauts just need to stop being pussies.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Bongs are already doing that with storm shadow
      They're not though. The German generals that were spied on were saying that Brits were in Ukraine overseeing delivery and handling of the missiles, not programming them

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    go away taurus schizo. we don't need a thread every day about this

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Sounds like quantum computing to me
    No: my guess is that he's hinting at latency issues, when you're flying that fast and low you can't afford more than a couple milliseconds of delay between your sensors picking up an obstacle and the fly-by-wire actuating to dodge it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >sensors picking up an obstacle and the fly-by-wire actuating to dodge it
      none of this is reliant on a datalink

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    every article about taurus I read somehow makes this thing more mythical to me, like snipes Putin out of the kremlin mythical

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Taurus will wait until monke is in bed and then fly in through the roof and stab the monke.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Still doesn't explain why can't the Taurus be given to the Brits so they can overload more Storm Shadows for Ukrainian use?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because we want gas rather than neverending slavshit trench warfare

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Because we want gas rather than neverending slavshit trench warfare
        Very informative, Gunther Hanz of Bavaria Oblast.

        It goes back to the main point that they want Taurus as their own deterrent. If they give Britain these weapons while they send Storm Shadows to Ukraine, it would mean Germany has no medium range cruise missiles to deploy in a hypothetical conflict.
        The US needs to promise Tomahawks or JASSM to Germany so they can stop kvetching and just do the transfer.

        >It goes back to the main point that they want Taurus as their own deterrent. If they give Britain these weapons while they send Storm Shadows to Ukraine, it would mean Germany has no medium range cruise missiles to deploy in a hypothetical conflict.
        Germany doesn't even have nukes, so it will have to rely on its NATO allies in Europe with nukes (i.e. France and UK) to match monke's nook threats.

        It goes back to the main point that they want Taurus as their own deterrent. If they give Britain these weapons while they send Storm Shadows to Ukraine, it would mean Germany has no medium range cruise missiles to deploy in a hypothetical conflict.
        The US needs to promise Tomahawks or JASSM to Germany so they can stop kvetching and just do the transfer.

        >The US needs to promise Tomahawks or JASSM to Germany so they can stop kvetching and just do the transfer.
        Agreed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Man sollte jeden WolgaBlack person zurück nach Russland deportieren. So wie ihr Russland mögt, werdet ihr euch dort wohlfühlen

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Calm down Adolf and eat your bratwrust

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Germans love gas

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It goes back to the main point that they want Taurus as their own deterrent. If they give Britain these weapons while they send Storm Shadows to Ukraine, it would mean Germany has no medium range cruise missiles to deploy in a hypothetical conflict.
      The US needs to promise Tomahawks or JASSM to Germany so they can stop kvetching and just do the transfer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How many Taurus does Germany have

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.flightglobal.com/germany-receives-last-taurus-cruise-missile/97453.article
          initial production run was 600

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            According to Germany, they only have 150 that are actively ready, out of a stockpile of 600. However Taurus says that's more like 300. According to other sources, it would take 2 years to replenish their stockpiles if they send them to Ukraine, something German military officials have warned is too long a latency.
            >https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a44763750/germany-close-to-giving-ukraine-taurus-cruise-missiles/

            >600
            >300
            >150
            All of those are pathetic given Germanys size and budget.
            UK has 1000 Storm Shadow, Germany should buy some and give those too Ukraine if they wont send Taurus.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You now know why the UK is respected for having deeper ammo stockpiles than the other Europeans.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >France 500 Scalp
                Wtf is going on over there why do the 2 big EU powers have so little missile stockpiles? Do they operate Tomahawks instead?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Make no mistake though, in an actual conflict with the west Russia would be obliterated
                People don't understand what even a CSG can bring to the table.

                Super Hornets, which have low-ish RCS (lower than an F-16 IIRC) firing decoys, cruise missiles, AARGMs, cruise missiles, JDAMs, cluster bombs, Tomahawks, harpoons, LRASMs, SM-6s, SM-3s, SM-2s, ESSMs, UAVs, helicopters, ASW, Ospreys and CH-46s, you name it they've got it.

                Russia could counter any one of these things individually (well probably not the Tomahawks or LRASMs) but it can't counter all of them used together, properly.

                [...]
                Believe it or not these things, again used properly, are really damn effective. A CSG probably has on the order of half that many Tomahawks in VLS cells and it can still level entire bases and destroy air defense networks. The decision to have that many in total is moronic though I agree they should have 4 times that number minimum.

                I just checked, France and Germany dont have any Tomahawks at all.
                What the actual frick, so the UK has 1000 Storm shadows and an unkown number of Tomahawks but the other two big euro nations only have a few hundred cruise missiles of one type? Is this a joke?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the Germans weren't planning on getting involved in any sort of conflict that would take more that wouldn't involve the americans
                the French the same plus tactical nukes. If the face an adversary that would take more than their current stock to deal with push that big tactical nuke pause button and try to sort things out

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >France and Germany dont have any Tomahawks at all
                france has small quantities of MdCN, it's shorter range though
                >Is this a joke?
                consequences of 30 year long peace dividend

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                France has a ship+submarine launched missile called MdCN that is based on SCALP technology but differs significantly from the air-launched SCALP-EG/Storm Shadow. That fills their needs for a Tomahawk analogue

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >MdCN
                reportedly they have 200 of those

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >MdCN
                Dumb question: is it possible to launch them from a marine drone?

                Like, ukies managed to launch StormShadow from Su-25 which seemed impossible for HATO instructors

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          According to Germany, they only have 150 that are actively ready, out of a stockpile of 600. However Taurus says that's more like 300. According to other sources, it would take 2 years to replenish their stockpiles if they send them to Ukraine, something German military officials have warned is too long a latency.
          >https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a44763750/germany-close-to-giving-ukraine-taurus-cruise-missiles/

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >they only have 150 that are actively ready, out of a stockpile of 600
            excuse me, what the frick?
            how can missiles NOT be ready for use?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Born too late to explore the world
              >Born too early to explore the galaxy
              >Born in time to see the MIC validated

              fricking kill me this is the darkest timeline

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Multitude of potential factors
              >poor storage
              >components stored separately requiring reassembly
              >safety issues with stockpiling assembled missiles
              >different definition of ready (they could have 450 missiles without fuel and count that as being not ready)
              >parts being used for peacetime oriented equipment (laser gyros, datalink systems, etc)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is a cope. Everyone is telling Germany to stop their shit and send the missiles. Germany has literally zero reason not to hand them over to the UK, other than sucking Putin’s wiener and being petulant little brats and refusing to help when the whole word sets a basic expectation.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I've never seen someone zealously defend the trans rights of migrants this hard.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Obviously never been to Berlin

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    too big.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what a flaming homosexual

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like a bunch of bullshit or German engineering autism that would break under rear world conditions anyway reverting to monkey-model operation.

    Like do they scan and store individual tree branches on multiple paths? Surprise surprise wind has moved the tree.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They forgot to mention that this all runs on some specialized windows2000 system and the guy who set it up is in retirement or dead.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This seems very likely to me. The article also makes it sound like they only have one of the things.
      The specs are also publicly available online and of course they are a joke for today's consumer hardware. I bet the real issue is some stupid bullshit like the software was only tested and certified for that specific hardware configuration which of course you can't just buy off the shelf anymore.
      Definitely sounds like something that would happen at bundeswehr procurement in the last 20 years.

      On the other hand, other politicians that were present in the meeting claim that this leak paints a "very distorted picture" of what actually happened.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Sounds like quantum computing to me
    You're a moron.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like bullshit tbh. Germans are just hilariously incompetent.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Listen to this clown shit, the missile was developed in the early 00s if not earlier and entered service in 2008. How many thousands of terabytes worth of HDD storage do these things have? Lmao get lost grifting shill. Anyone who read the call transcript knows why they weren’t sent: because no one WANTED to / had the leadership to DO it. It was just a stream of excuses like it would take too long to train, how do we hide the fact that we programmed them, there’s too few to bring down the bridge, who’s going to answer x y a questions etc etc no different than any corporate meeting finding excuses not to do something when there isn’t strong leadership. That’s depressingly all there was to it.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >>A monkey model could be sent, which wouldn't require all that processing, but it would be comparable to Storm Shadow and not be able to change the situation
    Bullshit, it's not like as if it will get intercepted anyway. Ukrainians are deleting refineries with what they have already. What is this thing supposed to do in the context of the war that the other options aren't?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There expending probably around 100 or more drones to get a few fires started. Even if Russian shoot-down claims were heavily exaggerated losing just one Taurus is a heavier loss than a hundred RC planes. Meanwhile the last Storm Shadow with MALD support strike on Kerch was completely intercepted — the Germans just don’t WANT to give the few Taurus away to potentially just get shit away pointlessly at a bridge which is rapidly becoming irrelevant with Russia building up alternative overland transit routes. Just accept reality.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Meanwhile the last Storm Shadow with MALD support strike on Kerch was completely intercepted
        Are the Russians learning?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Meanwhile the last Storm Shadow with MALD support strike on Kerch was completely intercepted
        Completed intercepted by the Askold?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Storm Shadow strike vs Kerch Bridge from a few weeks ago. Russia says they shot down 12 with none reaching the bridge. I also read somewhere that a part of the strike package diverted against the Black Sea fleet probably because the Kerch strike was a failure so they switched to plan B. Ie, first wave hits the bridge and a second wave goes in targeting what the first didn’t hit, expecting to lose some and distribute missiles to targets for the best effect. The MALD would provide a lightning rod for AD and a nearby AWACS (Russians report one showing up right before the attack) might be participating as well. The first wave was entirely shot down so they decided that the net was too tight around the bridge so they decided to launch it at the Black Sea fleet instead. Or those were two separate attack operations.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao you got a source for that blatant horse shit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia says
            stopped reading there

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia says
            >I also read somewhere
            >Russians report
            Okay, so none of this happened, thank you for clarifying.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like absolute BS when a Tesla can drive itself through city traffic and this apparently requires le epic supercomputers and ze German scientists to follow a topographic map.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's probably that the target/threat library for the missile's terminal seeker contains a bunch of targets, that the Germans don't want to reveal because it contains a bunch of things in allied nations

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Sounds like quantum computing to me
    thanks for letting us know you're a moron on the first line

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >a whistleblower provides a list of excuses for Germany

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So Germans are impractical autists, nothing new

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >A monkey model could be sent, which wouldn't require all that processing, but it would be comparable to Storm Shadow and not be able to change the situation
    Even those would be quite acceptable

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why does anything German always cause such asshurt?
    Is it Russians concern trolling or what?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      dank ass maymays + bait

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The operation of Taurus requires immense data processing, "It's not about giga- or Terabytes but extremely high data volumes which require specialized systems" (Sounds like quantum computing to me)
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/313498043_Zentrale_Missionsplanung_fur_die_modulare_Abstandswaffe_TAURUS_KEPD_350
    most likely Pentium III, max 64GB RAM, maybe 4TB ROM for the "Supercomputer" aka server in the background and a frickold laptop for "programming" the cm; a 2024 laptop will run the server and client part while playing games on it at the same time
    >Germany would need to program the missiles, which would be a direct attack on Russia by Germany, so not an option
    not true just train ukies
    >Transferring the systems to Ukraine would require training for the Ukranians
    like everything else does?
    >Those systems aren't easily built and are also used for other tasks, so Germany's capability to defend itself would be reduced to an inacceptable degree.
    Manufacturer stated several times they can restart/ramp up production immediately
    >Those systems also can't fall into Russian hands by any means
    it is 30 years old, get over it
    >A monkey model could be sent, which wouldn't require all that processing, but it would be comparable to Storm Shadow and not be able to change the situation
    what for? just send the real deal

    The main problem is Scholz and the SPD as they're trying to help huilo at any cost. People need to understand that SPD, AFD, BSW and LINKE are russian assets in german politics and that's gotta stop sooner than later.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Pentium III
      Krauts can't into SSE2 LMAO

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Krauts can't into SSE2 LMAO

        Shut up zoomer, Pentium III was pure glory, could be overclocked a lot easily with an aftermarket cooler. These were the days!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >People need to understand
      we do
      we're just b***hing about it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The main problem is Scholz and the SPD as they're trying to help huilo at any cost. People need to understand that SPD, AFD, BSW and LINKE are russian assets in german politics and that's gotta stop sooner than later.

      They are not trying to help Putin, the germans are rebelling against America by passive-aggressive resistance.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If krauts wanted to suck off ziggers they shouldn't have pushed EU to expand east, because now they have their mexico-esque sweatshop Poland eternally buttblasted (not to mention baltics being on edge, what with actually having loads of ziggers in their countries)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >If krauts wanted to suck off ziggers they shouldn't have pushed EU to expand eas

          Germans are passive partners in NATO, big boss USA sets the agenda and his loyal righthand man UK serves as his executive.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            but they still are very much ziggers suckers, the economical interests they have with them are enormous.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > (Sounds like quantum computing to me)
    Ahahahhahaha, no.
    t.expert

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do German anons think CDU is only pushing for Taurus because they're an opposition party currently or will they actually send them when they get elected next year? I want nothing more than to see german weapons tear up pidor buttholes ._.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All of the parties are the same and follow the same general policies with a few differences in minor details. The Taurus debate especially makes it obvious that it's all theater since the opposition knows far more than they let on about the reasons as to why we can't/won't send any. They deliberately word their arguments in ways that Scholtz can't refute them. Any answer to the arguments would either consistent of secrets the public isn't allowed to be privy to or would put a strain on international relations.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Taurus wasn't sent because it doesn't exist. It's just an inflatable in a vaguely phallic shape, sewn for fun.
    t. online whistleblower
    >fricking quantum computing

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >sounds like heckin quantum computerinos to me!
    didn't read the rest of your post, you're moronic

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, I don't give a shit about a few dozen missiles. Ukraine needs cheap stuff at scale like artillery shells.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Deleting let's say 50 ammo dumps is more than artillery could achieve this whole year.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >It's not about giga- or Terabytes
    Yeah, so it's kilobytes.
    Don't frick around, I worked at German companies before, everything runs on PLCs. They are the backbone of all German technology. And they are are much weaker than your mobile phone, by orders of magnitude.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    LOL

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Love how Germans still pretend their shit would change anything. Every shipment of whatever space age equipment they sent failed to deliver. Germany could deliver the recently acquired F35 directly to Ukraine and it wouldn’t have any serious impact.

    The entire approach to conventional warfare of NATO countries is totally stupid. They all think they can send their token tech and it will just magically stop any enemy advancing, because the enemy cares about losses.

    The Russians do not care. They will send another wave. And another one. And another one. You go 50 Taurus from Germany? Kill 500 russian soldiers. 30.000 are signing up for missile and drone target practice every month.

    This idiotic shit needs to end. The west needs to understand that its approach to warfare is inferior. They need to pump up birth rates, boost immigration and reintroduce mandatory 3 years of military service for every male, especially migrants that just arrived in the country.

    China will outclass Russias will to sacrifice tenfold. If they ever march west, there is nothing stopping them, as long as they are willing to pay the price in blood. Should they team up with Russia it’s gg ez. You might claim 400 million bugs slain, but they will have conquered your land nonetheless.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >taurus would be used to cube mobniks
      roughly as intelligent as the rest of your post
      I eagerly await a billion chinks coming to europe in their $1000 golf carts

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You will just be swarmed. You don’t have enough ammunition for them all. Yes, your token tech will kill a lot of bugs, but not enough to make a difference. Offing golf carts with missiles that cost millions and years to produce is a losing strategy from the get go. Using Taurus to attack a bridge that is quickly rebuild is an exercise in futility. The Lerch bridge has seen bigger booms come and go and it was rebuilt in no time.

        Bring in 5-10 million Africans into Europe per year, all with the prospect of citizenship after 3 years of mandatory service. All you problems will be fixed in 10 to 20 years.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          nice try, Alaric

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The western approach to war is fine since the west builds their armed forces from the ground up to actually conform to their ideas. You can't send a handful of missiles to a poor country that's still flying a small number of old soviet aircraft and tell them "Well you see, first you need total control of the skies".

      Of course it's not going to work. They can't afford your kind of army and you don't have hundreds of new aircraft to just give away. What they need is lots of cheap stuff.

      Make no mistake though, in an actual conflict with the west Russia would be obliterated. Russian air defenses are routinely embarrassing themselves. They can't stop shitty drones, never mind the more sophisticated stuff. How on earth would they deal with possibly hundreds of new jets coming their way?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Make no mistake though, in an actual conflict with the west Russia would be obliterated
        People don't understand what even a CSG can bring to the table.

        Super Hornets, which have low-ish RCS (lower than an F-16 IIRC) firing decoys, cruise missiles, AARGMs, cruise missiles, JDAMs, cluster bombs, Tomahawks, harpoons, LRASMs, SM-6s, SM-3s, SM-2s, ESSMs, UAVs, helicopters, ASW, Ospreys and CH-46s, you name it they've got it.

        Russia could counter any one of these things individually (well probably not the Tomahawks or LRASMs) but it can't counter all of them used together, properly.

        >France 500 Scalp
        Wtf is going on over there why do the 2 big EU powers have so little missile stockpiles? Do they operate Tomahawks instead?

        Believe it or not these things, again used properly, are really damn effective. A CSG probably has on the order of half that many Tomahawks in VLS cells and it can still level entire bases and destroy air defense networks. The decision to have that many in total is moronic though I agree they should have 4 times that number minimum.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >A CSG probably has on the order of half that many Tomahawks in VLS cells
          Not unless that CSG has five or six Burkes or an OMFG
          >Super Hornets
          A carrier wing only has about forty-odd of those.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >i know what a Burke class carries
            Stop posting, anon.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >doesn't know what a Burke class carries
              Just because you're ignorant, don't blame me

              Burkes have about ninety-odd VLS cells.
              most NATO air warfare destroyers carry about fifty SAMs. Burkes probably carry more, because the ESSM can be quadpacked.
              the most Tomahawks ever launched by a Burke-class destroyer is thirty missiles.
              they should also carry about eight or so ASROC apiece for ASW purposes.

              [...]
              I just checked, France and Germany dont have any Tomahawks at all.
              What the actual frick, so the UK has 1000 Storm shadows and an unkown number of Tomahawks but the other two big euro nations only have a few hundred cruise missiles of one type? Is this a joke?

              >and an unkown number of Tomahawks
              about sixty to seventy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >trying to claim shit that is literally kept secret
                You're operating on a guess or giving out secret information. I'm gonna be nice to you and assume it's the former.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm just pointing out that we can make educated guesses on the basis of known open-source data

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah. Add the number of cruise missiles carried by a carrier and you have 400, minimum. I wouldn't go making strict claims about the loadout of Burkes though.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Add the number of cruise missiles carried by a carrier
                that is a fair point

                >says he wouldn't go making strict claims about the loadout of Burkes
                >right after making a strict claim about the loadout of Burkes
                anon...

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The only thing we know for sure about the loadouts of Burkes is that they have 96 cells and some of them are probably reserved for SAMs and ASW weapons.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >60-70
                Sources say around 100 but total number is classified.

                the Germans weren't planning on getting involved in any sort of conflict that would take more that wouldn't involve the americans
                the French the same plus tactical nukes. If the face an adversary that would take more than their current stock to deal with push that big tactical nuke pause button and try to sort things out

                Well thats dumb

                >France and Germany dont have any Tomahawks at all
                france has small quantities of MdCN, it's shorter range though
                >Is this a joke?
                consequences of 30 year long peace dividend

                So with the data available online figures are
                >UK
                1000 Stormshadow
                100 TLAM
                >France
                500 Scalp
                200 Scalp Naval
                >Germany
                600

                All three nations have a similar defence budget and similar sized Militaries. Interesting that Germany has almost half of what the UK has and 0 nukes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Sources say around 100 but total number is classified.
                well your guess is as good as mine, but FWIW, the initial purchase was for 65 missiles, and it's probable that the RN would maintian that rough number in its inventory

                it works out to about eight to ten Tomahawks per SSN, plus a few for validation or training shots.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The exact number of TLAM possessed by the UK is classified but it is estimated to be around 100. Since the first 65 Block III rounds entered service with the RN in 1998, some have been used in various conflicts. A further batch of 64 Block IV were purchased by the UK in 2004 followed by another 65 bought in 2014.
                It wasnt a guess

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Tomahawk has a 15 year shelf life. The previous two batches have probably been used up.
                Also note the consistent batch size.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >15 year shelf life
                It has a 30 year shelf life and in no way has the UK fired 65 Tomahawks since 2004.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The last of the Putin clones are triangulated as we speak and every last Boris Johnson is being loaded up onto the launch platforms.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Did you mean to reply to me?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Interesting that Germany has almost half of what the UK has and 0 nukes.
                because after reunification there was no longer any threat to germany. france and UK have armies because germany in world wars, russia in cold war and for power projection in post colonial places around the world. germany doesn't have any global interests besides just economy, in world wars it was the aggressor, and after cold war russia would trade with eastern europe being a buffer zone. in addition to that, germany has historically strong watermelon influence for """pacifism""" and being anti everything nuke related.

                their army after 90s is basically just a NATO formality, they could just freeride like ireland or austria or even disarm like iceland completely and it would make absolutely no difference to their safety because they are surrounded by NATO countries on the west that have nukes, and by post communist countries on the east where everyone will take nuclear annihilation over being ruled by russia ever again.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think your missing the point entirely.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Totally hypothetical scenario here with no bias intended for either side.

                The UK and Germany are at war with no support from anyone and somehow can fly over nieghbour nations airspaces.

                Germany has 12 Airbases and 6 are in active use. Could the UK just spam those airfields with cruise missiles? Surely its easy to take out 6 airfields with 1100 missiles.
                Also would Germany be able to hit the UKs 14 active airbases with 500 missiles?

                Im working on the idea that once you have deleted the enemys runways/air capability and have a modern airforce (capable of dealing with ground based AA) yourself you instantly gain air superiority over that nation?

                Basically, is lobbing cruise missiles an effective strategy at removing a peer nations airforce.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                As we know from Top Gun Maverick, it is not

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Planes take off from purpose-built airfields cause it's convenient to have them there alongside the entire supply chain they require, but you can just as well start them from a long-enough street.
                Granted, UK seems incapable of even paving their roads since early 2010s, but germs at least should be able to use their (also somewhat unmaintained) highways. If swedistani can figure it out, so can others.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Road airfields
                This isnt a viable solution for UK or Germany, they each have around 200 fighter aircraft. Parking them at the side of the autobahn/M1 is fine for a few sorties but anything more just isnt realistic.

                Also a massive missile strike is likley to be carried out imediately in case of war, most combat aircraft will be sat in the hangers at the side of those airbases.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >swedistani
                it's not a Swedish-only special ability by any means

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The western approach to war is fine since the west builds their armed forces from the ground up to actually conform to their ideas

        The western idea since the 1990s is colonial warfare against durkadurkas with ak-47s and RPGs. The western armed forces are ill suited for a war on a battlefield that is infested with precision guided munitions, long range barrel and rocket artillery and the constant threat of air strikes with stand off weapons. Modern warfare consumes men and materiel like a bonfire consumes wood, and the western military industry is basically a cottage industry that can produce a handful of vehicles every week at full production, not to mention ammunition, which is only produced in small batches. The only vehicles that can be mass produced in the west are simple armored cars that uses steel as their main armor, and the only arnament that can be mass produced is a simple, unstabilized .50 cal machinegun, and this is because civilian industry overlapping. Everything else is cottage production from the remains of the western military industry.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          begone, Rajesh

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >900 AT missiles
            >thats "a lot"
            >thank you for making my point

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >5,000 ATGMs over 3 years isn't a lot
              that's as many tanks as the Indian Army fields in its entirety, Raj

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          False. The West invented advanced warfare. The West takes a scientific, doctrinal approach to this in which we study trends in warfare and project developments based on emerging technology, threat actors, etc, and build / update doctrine to succeed and and develop new weapons to satisfy the needs of doctrine. What an Eastern shithole does vaguely ape the West, buy whatever they can afford, and throw meat at issues. Even when they have an advanced doctrine like Russia they are too corrupt / low-IQ to maintain the level of readiness modern warfare requires to be effective so they inevitably end up with ww1. The West would shatter, seemingly with contemptuous ease, the Russian lines in Ukraine. It’s not actually easy, but Westerners just make it seem like it is, being able to execute complex doctrines competently. All the insurmountable challenges of drones swarming everywhere, thousands of guns and rockets, deep minefields and trench networks, ATGMs everywhere, etc would be so easily, so quickly cleared away that it would seem like a pretend war only. Just like the conspiracy theories about Iraqi generals being bought off before the invasion of Iraq to explain why the gigantic Iraqi army seemed to evaporate. TLDR Western civilization overmatches corrupt Eastern shitholes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >reddit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >(Sounds like quantum computing to me)
    Sounds like you're a fricking moron and lost all credibility in the very first line.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why are we supposed to deliver any? It's our right to keep our stuff.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no one's asking India to send anything, though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Which is for the best, saw the other thread about how the shit sent to armenia doesnt work lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Technically Russia did, it stole India's bought and paid for T-90's.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Theft typically doesn't involve asking unless you think the Russians mugged whoever was supposed to take those tanks back home.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >germans are still over engineering
    they never change do they

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tldr: Taurus doesn't exist, Merkel and her crooks embezzled all the funding years ago.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    morons actually believe the bullshit about computing and data?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      These types of missiles take specific custom formed data as input for their navigation systems. IIRC they can function with just GPS/INS and simple waypoints but that defeats 90% of the purpose for why they're used.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >These types of missiles take specific custom formed data as input for their navigation systems.
        so what? it's not different than converting jpg to png

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          More like a collection of a bajillion points to have a 3d map of the terrain than an image file type.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That plus weird specific images of the terrain from specific angles plus all sorts of weird specific data filled out in a certain way. There are staff that are basically dedicated to targeting these types of missiles in most countries, you're getting around the need for GPS at a pretty significant cost in manpower.

            That being said it's not something new or special, the real news here is that Germany is clutching its pearls and being a bunch of pussies about something that the US, UK and like 6 other countries have already done without problems. If it's a Ukrainian pilot shooting a Ukrainian missile at a target picked by the Ukrainian air force, why the frick would you take some grand blow to your soul for loading a missile with some data?

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Germany sure has advanced weaponry for a country that still uses fax machines

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1)bs
    2)true
    3)true
    4)also true while they can built the whole fast europe in general is lacking in tnt and various others subs they barely manufacture more than few tons they launched a program in various countries to restart production
    5)basicly a taurus without the 2 stage warhead

    aka everyone knows that germany aint gonna send shit because of ns and ns2 period

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's not quantum computing, because quantum computing that powerful would be kept so freaking secret that it would never be put in a missile that could be taken apart by an enemy. Use your brain

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Sounds like quantum computing to me
    Lmfao thanks for the laughs Olaf

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    germany circus. never trust them, or buy army equipment from them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And the most important of all, never collaborate with them. Same for Switzerland.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, krauts aren't that bad to work with. Compared with the beyond-parody primadonnas that are frogs they're downright pleasant, if a bit autistic.
        Dunno about swiss

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There's no point in working with anyone that doesn't allow you to use weaponry as you see fit. Swiss being the worst at it. At least frogs don't give a frick about what you do with it, and most importantly, get shit done. See the fruitful collaboration with the bongs for Stormshadow/SCALP. Or any collab involving Italy. What about the failed collabs, you ask? You shall see a common denominator: Germany.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why does it seem like everything Germany has already sent to Ukraine has sucked? Leopards? Performing worse than not only Abrahams and Challengers, but even Slovenian M-55s (restyled T-55s). Marders? Almost as bad as the fricking BMP-1s, and certainly much, much worse than the good ol Bradleys. Panzerhaubitze 2000? 50% of them are broken on delivery, and for some moronic reason not even fit to be taken apart for fixing the other 50%. Iris-T? Worse and less accurate than the Patriot, barely works against Kalibers. I now understand why Scholz and the Ministry of Defense and Wehrmacht don't want to send Taurus to Ukraine - surely they know this shit will be less effective than SCALPs and even that kind of Vietnam War-era missiles did the Americans give the Ukrainians to fit onto their old MiGs and Su-24, some Mavericks I guess?
    Don't know why so many people still believe that German thing = high quality. Most of their stuff is either extremely overdesigned or just impractical. Probably just like all those Hitler-era Wunderwaffen, all those megalomaniacal dildos that were horrible in every way and could only scare you with their size and nothing else, those scare V-2 which were never hitting the target, all this vaporware like that ~500 mph armored train project etc. Some fricking goatfrickers can assemble those fricking Shaheeds from cheap chinese parts from Alibaba and free indian cowshit from Ganges, which roar like boomers' lawnmowers, and it would still be more effective than almost all those German "engineering miracles". Ffs, just take what Anglos do and copy that, don't try to invent your own thing if it ends up being unusable 99% of the time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sounds like they just wanted to employ Germans instead of supporting US MIC, and at the same time never expected to really use their weapons for real. like a box-ticking exercise for them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Why does it seem like everything Germany has already sent to Ukraine has sucked? Leopards? Performing worse than not only Abrahams and Challengers, but even Slovenian M-55s (restyled T-55s).
      Gesundheit

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the missile only needs generic 3d and 2d terrain data you can download from google maps

    stop being moronic thinking this is some alien tech

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesn’t know about DSMAIC
      >he doesn’t know about TERCOM
      >he doesn’t know about TERPROM
      Sad!

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Black person you don't need a quantum computer for GIS data.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You just need to accept the obvious - Germany doesn't know what the frick it's doing economically, industrially, politically or on a micro scale with the Taurus. We're talking about a country that has destroyed itself by inviting immigrants, that shut down its last nuclear plant while being cut off of Russian gas upon which it was so overly reliant it was the ONLY reason its industry was globally competitive. It's a meme. Germany is a meme and a joke.

    In contrast the French played their cards exceedingly well and their full commitment to nuclear energy has paid off big time, Poland is a military power with an actual successful economy, the Scandis have their shit together and basically what I'm saying is Germany is genuinely fricked, utterly fricked, and is living off its by now ancient reputation but it's on life support. The thing is barely alive. Forget about the US, China or the corpse of Russia - other European states have FAR surpassed Germany and I think they'll sink with the Russians by accident, basically. The irony is that the only thing that could save Germany is them going fully into supporting Ukraine and jumpstarting their production of everything.

    The Taurus probably doesn't work, or is so ridiculously overengineered it doesn't work in real life conditions. It really is that simple and stupid.

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't the Germoney purge all the GDRBlack folk, stasiBlack folk and banish all Moscow loving Ossis back to Moscow?

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who gives a frick anymore. Ukraine just needs the money then they can build their slav tomahawks. Germanistan cant make up its own mind.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/04/ukraine-is-working-on-a-1200-mile-missile-that-could-strike-halfway-across-russia/?sh=2c1d8ec07c7d

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Sounds like quantum computing to me
    Thanks for letting us know you have no idea what you're talking about in the first sentence.

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >our equipment is uber complex and super advanced, only monkey models built off it would be comparable to other missiles
    >but we can't train you to use them because... Germany would be unable to defend itself okay??
    I'd have more respect for them if they just came out and said they were either too pussy to "escalate" or didn't have large enough stockpiles to pull from in the first place.

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >but it would be comparable to Storm Shadow and not be able to change the situation
    TAURUS literally is no fricking different to Storm Shadow except it has a slightly bigger warhead, moves slightly slower and is slightly bigger iirc.
    >b-b-but the warhead
    MEPHISTO's only difference to BROACH is that it can be programmed to 'read' how many layers of material it has passed through before it explodes. BROACH is just a flat timer (i.e, set for 2 seconds, it'll explode after that). This just sounds like Germany trying to pretend TAURUS is some sort of superweapon when it fricking isn't. Because it isn't. It is, as I just explained, a slightly more punchier version of Storm Shadow, with some advantages and disadvantages. Pretending this thing can't be sent because it is a 'bridge killer' is just Germany trying to wiggle out of it.

    If it requires THAT MUCH in terms of support to function then holy frick what is the point? I've explained the difference here.

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >(Sounds like quantum computing to me)
    never post again

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Germany fully expects to get back on Russian gas the MOMENT it becomes politically viable. That’s why they had to be dragged into supporting Ukraine kicking and screaming and if it weren’t for the US deploying massive levels of soft power to make it happen Germany would be completely uninvolved today drinking Russian gas. Basically ONLY the US could have dragged Germany off of Putin’s dick. I wonder if Germans realize that it’s THEIR industry’s reliance on Russian gas is what in large part created and supports the Putin government and is partially responsible for the current war? It’s like Germany funding Russia in exchange for cheap gas and who knows how deep into German leadership pockets Russian money can be found.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I, an ex-Wehraboo, now honestly thing Germany should have been broken up amd reunification was a mistake. I have also come to dreaded realization that the Frogs are based. I always loved my Opinel knife and my Duralex Picardie coffee glasses, so perhaps I have always been a closet Frenchaboo.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Germany fully expects to get back on Russian gas the MOMENT it becomes politically viable
      I honestly expect all of EU and NA to bend the knee and pretend none of this ever happened in maybe a couple months after an end to this war

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Easterners and binland will screech to the heavens but if the opportunity will present itself frogs and krauts would certainly jump at the chance. It's not like they actually give a shit about oinkers, and they certainly don't want to actually go to war against rusBlack folk (frogs like russians and krautland is too broken to even contemplate military conflict, not to mention a good third of them also like russia). It wouldn't surprise me if they were fine with ziggers anschlussing baltics and generally everything east of Vistula, or maybe even Oder.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Germany is a Nazi continuation state. There's probably no small number of Germans that are happy with what Israel is doing because it makes what they did look not as bad as it used to.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Germany is a Nazi continuation state
            You've clearly never been to Germany.
            The older germs would sooner crucify themselves than not suck israeli dick (jews could run death camps for all 6 gorillion palestinians and they'd still support them) and the younger germs don't give a shit either way and spam hitler memes on whatsapp groups between bouts of paralyzing depression.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >younger germs don't give a shit either way
              you still have a large number of fanatical crazy antifa types
              a great way to get laid tough
              >be well dressed rightwing looking kinda guy
              >chat up lefty chick
              >speak 9/10 german
              >she starts going how horrible I am
              >tell her I'm a belgian and had family in the camps
              >?????
              >great success!
              I simply forget to mention that said relatives where in allied post war detention camps for being a bit to keen on learning german

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Germany fully expects to get back on Russian gas the MOMENT it becomes politically viable

      Yup and that is because USA left a Nordstream pipe fully intact leaving them this option. So why whine when you yourself gave the Germans this option?

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >le quantum computing separate dimension black hole weapon
    I'm sure it's good but come on

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >muh greatly shilled counterattack last spring captured a few bombed out villages
    >but THIS time, a slightly different missile will be the wunderwaffe that changes everything
    have the sonic missiles even accomplished anything?
    give them primitive arty shells in the millions rather than a few high tech showpieces

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >have the sonic missiles even accomplished anything?
      It's been one of the main components of neutralizing the black sea fleet.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It's been one of the main components of neutralizing the black sea fleet.
        sea drones drones moron

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >sea drones hit the dry dock sub and ships
          wow that's an amazing story homosexual tell me more

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't believe a single second that they can't teach Ukrainians how to use them. Didn't they sell them to Spain? Olaf just wants to give Russia a better chance to win.

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SPD is a Russian 5th column, simple as.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >>The operation of Taurus requires immense data processing, "It's not about giga- or Terabytes but extremely high data volumes which require specialized systems" (Sounds like quantum computing to me)

    No.
    This would've been true in 95 but nowadays you can produce the required dataset on a fricking desktop computer (assuming that the software originally made for some room-sized mainframe can be easily ported over to modern systems).

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >high data volumes which require specialized systems" (Sounds like quantum computing to me)
    you are a moron

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine is getting F-16s right? Well, what about providing some AGM-158 JASSMs? Even if the US won't transfer them, Poland has some.

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Germans are just being weenies again.

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > The operation of Taurus requires immense data processing, "It's not about giga- or Terabytes but extremely high data volumes which require specialized systems
    It’s a fricking missile, what the hell is it going to process? Does it navigate by remembering every tree and blade of grass in Europe?

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Taurus has quantum computing!!!
    Can Germans stop being lying homosexuals for one minute? Just admit you don't have enough of them to send while maintaining your own stockpiles.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It has tho. Only the famously capable German IT is capable of operating those missiles - you need to send target coordinates by fax, and no other nation still uses them.

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >(Sounds like quantum computing to me)
    Sounds like someone is moronic to me.

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >monkey model
    >Storm Shadow
    bongfrogs how do we respond?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >bongfrogs how do we respond?
      ignore kraut cope and post Scalp Shadow vs Taurus kill ratios

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Taurus kill ratios
        Taurus has an absolutely pristine and perfect 0:0 score

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just in case anyone missed Thomas the Taurus:

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Sounds like quantum computing to me
    I heard the Taurus can teleport behind the target too right before exploding

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Germany has no free will. They will send it to Ukraine.

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You fail to realise that TZD is the ultimate expression of free will and as such, doesn't need a reason to be done because it's the reason itself. All it needs is the means and opportunity.

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Terrible translation - i will paraphrase
    >Taurus has an in-flight datalink requirement that is difficult to meet without also transferring its launch hardware (aircraft etc.)

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >firebomb Germany when they try to fight Russia
    >complain when Germany doesn't try to fight Russia again
    Why are you like this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >what is the Battle of France
      >what is the Cold War
      frick off

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But he is right.Anglos are responsible for the Soviet Union and modern russia.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          maybe krauts shouldn't have lost the war then

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Eastern Germs lying as usual. Should have purged their ranks of all stasi motherfrickers before letting them join real society.

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >got raped by the fascists
    >then got raped by the communists
    i expect nothing less from Germany

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      getting raped by Americans for all eternity.
      as israelite haters deserve even if they become self flagellating israelite lovers.

  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tech gets more and more complicated as troops become more and more moronic
    Good combo. Surely no systemic problems here.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody with half a brain ends up in the trenches - this is for the stupid, the poor and the like.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no, he's right. this IS one of the problems NATO armies are having, and the Ukes directly highlighted this
        for example, their Air Force chief said that he has to send over a hundred engineering graduates just to pit crew the F-16s coming in, whereas morons can maintain their Soviet-tech aircraft, or at least probably fewer engineers are needed. this isn't a criticism of NATO tech - obviously it is much more capable - but more like a problem which undereducated nations face

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The solution is to simply pay people more and dont treat them like shit but apparently that's too much to ask

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Murrican military pays fairly well and generally provides a decent experience for most - and even they struggle with getting enough people to sign up.
            In comparison yurop pays frick all, provides frick all benefits and most of your time will be spent digging ditches, cutting trees and running back and forth for 12 hours a day. You have to be a true patriot to join the military as some no-name grunt without connections anywhere in yurop.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Governments probably shouldn't have spent the last thirty years telling people not to be patriots.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's mostly germany, most countries aren't anywhere as tarded. Most people don't need this bizarro hero worship that murrican soldiers get - decent pay would be enough for most.
                Except militaries in EU don't pay decent money. You'd probably make more as some no-skill warehouse slave if you actually work the same amount of time military gays do, and at least you're not sacrificing practically your entire social life. The deal is fricking awful unless you genuinely enjoy the job, like some weirdo seamen etc.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >apparently that's too much to ask
            for shitholes with frick-all for defence budgets, yes

            Murrican military pays fairly well and generally provides a decent experience for most - and even they struggle with getting enough people to sign up.
            In comparison yurop pays frick all, provides frick all benefits and most of your time will be spent digging ditches, cutting trees and running back and forth for 12 hours a day. You have to be a true patriot to join the military as some no-name grunt without connections anywhere in yurop.

            not Europeans

            >Air Force chief said that he has to send over a hundred engineering graduates just to pit crew the F-16s coming in
            Lmao its stuff like this that remind me just how dimwitted the average general is, and then they think everyone is equally moronic or worse.
            Anyone with half a brain can learn to maintain very expensive and complicated equipment if they have an actual interest in what they do and the correct practical training.

            Ive attended industry maintenance courses for $20m radar systems and it was easy AF and honestly a waste of my time as an engineer. Its also much easier to maintain modern gear than the old stuff because you just slot in a replacement unit and send the old one to the factory.
            My boomer colleges who maintain our 70s and 80s radars actually fault trace and resolder individual boards which require much more skill and i don't think any of them have any schooling beyond high school and what they've learned on the job.

            t. radar engineer at a military test range.

            The "dimwit" understands something that you don't; namely, Ukrainian engineering grads are not the same thing as OECD engineering grads
            Once again, in their case, and for many developing nations, the qualifier
            >Anyone with half a brain can learn
            excludes most of the population

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Air Force chief said that he has to send over a hundred engineering graduates just to pit crew the F-16s coming in
          Lmao its stuff like this that remind me just how dimwitted the average general is, and then they think everyone is equally moronic or worse.
          Anyone with half a brain can learn to maintain very expensive and complicated equipment if they have an actual interest in what they do and the correct practical training.

          Ive attended industry maintenance courses for $20m radar systems and it was easy AF and honestly a waste of my time as an engineer. Its also much easier to maintain modern gear than the old stuff because you just slot in a replacement unit and send the old one to the factory.
          My boomer colleges who maintain our 70s and 80s radars actually fault trace and resolder individual boards which require much more skill and i don't think any of them have any schooling beyond high school and what they've learned on the job.

          t. radar engineer at a military test range.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            hey fricko you should hire me
            no, I'm not qualified

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No, besides im quitting anyway because the moronation is just to much to bear.

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >sounds like quantum computing to me
    that's because you're moronic. quantum computing isn't magically more, it's a whole different approach to computing. and right now, it's still basically useless for actual logistics stuff.
    in case you missed it, I want to be clear. I called you fricking moronic. because that's what you are.
    a moron.

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The Germans are determined to lose a war thru shitty engineering and inadequate material before the century is over
    Damn are they, like, German?

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    honestly as a german after all this bullshit ive come to a very simple conclusion:
    the fricking thing doesnt work

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >honestly as a german
      Rope

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thats also what i'm starting to wonder, either that or there is some SERIOUS kompromat on Scholz, he has been pretty anal over missiles in the past after all...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Works just fine, there are tests from Germany and South Korea on youtube

  83. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Welp. Mystery solved! lol lmao clown world.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      so either the USA will release JASSM to Germany so they can provide Taurus to Ukraine, or Germany will buy JASSM and send them to Ukraine

      fricking Ringtausch horseshit lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >says bild

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the absolute country of germany

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      soooo... taurus doesn't even work?
      muh quantum wunderwaffe indeed

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        JASSM isn't integrated on Eurofighter and Taurus isn't integrated on F-35 (might even be too big for F-35 bays actually)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      soooo... taurus doesn't even work?
      muh quantum wunderwaffe indeed

      >Bild said
      morons

      JASSM isn't integrated on Eurofighter and Taurus isn't integrated on F-35 (might even be too big for F-35 bays actually)

      This is the actual reason

  84. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Today I've learned: Taurus has some interleaved road wheels/Rube-Goldberg/four timing chains/IBM Cell thing going on inside and the software is written in Malbolge.

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