SAS has the original one most have imitated. It has an edge on delta as delta only took the hills portion and blacks the jungle and interrogation resistance and evasion phases. St6 was rushed and didn’t even get hills so it can’t be in the running. It only has an OTC. Not too sure on the other units though. So based on this it would have to be sas
the one with the most money and experience
so all of the USA ones
Doubt st6 has a better one than sas. They don’t even have selection. It’s just green team which is otc
>SAS has the original one most have imitated. It has an edge on delta as delta only took the hills portion and blacks the jungle and interrogation resistance and evasion phases
Your view is flawed. Completing the long walk is step 1. After being selected, the operator has to go through OTC. After OTC, the operator maintains a high state of readiness. Some of the things SAS do as part of selection is part of OTC for Delta. Things have also changed since the 70's, and there's been a whole GWOT, so just because SAS were the first doesn't mean they're still the best.
>St6 was rushed and didn’t even get hills so it can’t be in the running. It only has an OTC. Not too sure on the other units though
Delta does the long walk as tradition and because they recruit from other branches and non-SOF elements. They need to have everyone at a baseline. DEVGRU's green team is adequite because they only select from active SEALs, so they've got a baseline of readiness and experience. So DEV guys are picking more on personality.
See above
This. Selections is just to weed out the obvious duds. What really matters is everything that happens after.
Basically comparing selections is dumb. Each unit selects based on criteria that work for them and all the big names are world class. Delta just has the best support and most experience.
>This. Selections is just to weed out the obvious duds. What really matters is everything that happens after.
NTA but the rumours go that the bong special forces reject anyone who matches the formal tests but seems to be in it for personal glory instead of other reasons. So I'd imagine selection isn't just for duds in the strict sense but for the psychological sense too. I'd imagine most burger units have the same checks too.
Every American SOF unit does a battery of psychological and intelligence testing in addition to the physical and skills testing.
There's more to selection than OP and a lot of people realize. It's not just "who has the longest ruck march." Lots of people who are physical studs that crush all the events have washed out due to things like ego, being a bad team player, failing a psch test, or peer ranking.
>There's more to selection than OP and a lot of people realize. It's not just "who has the longest ruck march." Lots of people who are physical studs that crush all the events have washed out due to things like ego, being a bad team player, failing a psch test, or peer ranking.
Reminds me of that shit with the foreign legion in Ukraine where one squad leader shot a surrendering vatnig and got the other Irish one who was negotiating killed as a result. Because in practice a lot of the ones volunteering, at least the anglos, were people out to get a combat high or because they were upset they'd been deployed but hadn't got to see combat in Iraq/Afghanistan. Basically the sort of people these sort of tests are decided to weed out.
Typically they want higher aggression, without crossing the line into it being unmanageable/psycopathy. When I was doing some stuff, I got flagged for aggressive tendencies during a psych test and had to see a psychiatrist. He interviewed me to see what was up and assesed me to be within acceptable limits. Other dudes he saw crossed the line and were dropped from the course.
>Most money
Fair enough
>experience
You have blown yourself out of the water with that one.
Obviously you’ll be the supposedly clever and learned one within your clan.
The ones you don't know about
We probably know em all that are worth knowing. Cia type stuff is just going to be more black op army SF stuff. Won’t be any tough selection.
PJs
dive team SF medics
Honestly would it even matter lmao. A lot of guys pass the SAS selection and then get tossed out in training. Being able to jump through a series of hoops helps to weed out the guys who aren't up to it, but it's rather doctrinal anyway, the whole SAS having evasion etc as part of the selection, reflects more on skills than ability, and is likely more a product of its early roots where they didn't have the same level of training etc as they do now. They can teach someone to evade enemy forces, much harder to teach internal motivation.
I don't think the selection process is that big of a deal, I'd be more interested in the final standards expected.
SAS selection is designed to find the guys who are highly motivated to be there, none of the stuff you do in selection is hard, it's just you get almost zero rest, and you're timed
Reinforcement training, which is the training done after selection is where they start to learn their special shit, and are taught either comms or first aid. You are right that they are under constant evaluation during this.
>none of the stuff you do in selection is hard
People regularly die in selection. It's definitely hard.
>you do in selection is hard
Ok,fair point; numerous candidates have fatally perished,upon Selection.
Try completing 40miles across Wales (et al) no matter the season.
>zero rest,and you’re timed
Of course you will be,that’s the nature of the ‘beast’.
>Reinforcement training,
You mean; Continuation training,as it’s a continuation of your previous Selection/training.
>either Comms or first aid.
Just,to expand,upon that; Demolitions,Signals,CMT,Language Specialist,Sniper,Mobility Specialist..the list is endless.
Summation; all members of a Patrol are ‘cross trained’.
Thank me later,Walt.
You forgot
>get beaten by the Taliban
How can the taliban have won when they accepted all of our terms to end the war?
Nigga. Taliban fucking respect and scared of the British army. There was a reason why the Brits were ambushed less compared to US army and was allowed to stay in Afghanistan after coup while all US pesonnel leave Afghanistan asap.
As per your post; It was known,in 2008,via ‘ICOM chatter’ that the Taliban voiced their concerns,with reference as to when the ‘Winged Men’ were due to reappear.
Yes,we were ‘robust’ in the execution of our remit.
Just the way ‘we’ are,and were.
I’ll leave it there.
Politicians,ultimately,decide the outcome of any area of conflict.
AF,simply execute whatever the Politicians ask them to.
Try again,’never served’.
You utter Walt.
>muh selection practices for SF
face it except rare occurrences, SF will fight in situations where it has a great advantage over the enemy, thus any sort of physical edge over the enemy is just a meme
>Which SOF unit has the best selection process
GDI Commando program
22% fatality rate
and 97% never reach the end of training.
That's a terrible selection process. Your first stage of selection is awful (33 errors for each success) and the subsequent stages are also shit (kill 1 in 6ish of candidates not even including serious injuries - pure negligence, fail 4 in every 5 - waste of everyone's time). A good selection process would admit 97% fewer people and not kill anyone. If their training didn't suck then maybe more than 3 in 100 applicants could be trained to.meet the job spec.
This
Even SPARTANs from HALO had a higher success rate, and they still didn't have as many as they needed and resorted to shortening the training
IIIs and IVs had almost no washouts compared to the IIs
Due to the fact they also changed the bio mods
III program improved the process to perfection, they were cheaper and easier to make compared to IIs
IV are an outright inferior version, and they have to use their armour as a crutch.
IVs had safe augmentations like III's as well as being equipped with Mjolnir Gen2 entirely which is objectively better than any SPI suit or Gen1 Mjolnir IIIs were issued. While IV's wouldnt have been trained from birth they were all experienced soldiers from ODSTs and Marines and the scale of IV's is easily larger than all previous spartans combined. Don't let 343s dogshit game dev and writing ruin a good spartan generation with marvel characters in a bad halo game
>ruin a good spartan generation
They're just too gay for me to like since I'm a IIIfag and I'm pissed 343 dissapeared all of them to exchange them for IVs
like a said its 343s dogshit writing, no reason why II's, III's and IV's cant exist together, doesnt matter know as theyre basically extinct due to halo infinite just like the franchise
t. has never seen a GDI commando in action
>seen a GDI commando in action
All kino except that one Tiberian Dawn mission:
>be GDI commando
>high T
>low cortisol
>underactive amygdala
>literal one-man army, finest warrior the western world can provide
>spend entire mission running away from an unremarkable dune buggy
>shitty 1990's game engine limitations prevent you from sniping out the unprotected crew
>can't even blow out the tires
>not even in the 2020 remaster because EA
GDI Mission 6: Total Commando Death
I listened to a podcast with a guy who hangs at special forces club in London and he was talking about how SAS tends to reject a lot of the highest performers because they are often bad team players. Thought it was interesting
That’ll be the SF club in London.
True,within SF one has to be self sufficient/self reliable and adaptable,and to think ‘on your feet’ but also,a great team player.
It’s not for everyone.
>interrogation resistance and evasion phases
Delta has SERE, they also throw you in a hole for a few days. SAS are the originals but they can never match Delta's budget unfortunately. To put things into perspective, Delta had inter-team coms and nvgs as early as late 80s. SAS had neither as far as early 2000s and looked like retards in joint ops with Delta.
A quick summation of your post; i almost died,laughing.
>SAS
Tests your fitness, navigation skills and motivation going up the mountains in the first part. Then it tests your general soldier skills and ability to learn and adapt under pressure in the jungle. I'd argue SAS selection finds a good percentage of all-round quality soldiers to invest in for further training.
>BUD/S
Tests whoever can do lots of PT and freeze in the ocean for 5 days per week and then take steroids on the weekends. Offloads all the turds with determination onto SQT, which whittles down the retards and produces the sailors you actually want doing the job
>DEVGRU
Good in that everyone is already a SEAL, and it's selecting the cream of the crop from within the SEAL community.
>Green Berets
The only time it made sense was when you had to already be a NCO to even go for selection. The idea of an 18 year old doing the Q Course and deploying at age 20 to tell a 50 year old warlord in a foreign country what to do is retarded.
>Delta
Arguably the shittest and most retarded selection of all. Takes literally anyone from any job in any service and makes them do the long walk and then teaches everyone from the ground up on OTC. Delta should exclusively select from Rangers since they work together.
>SASR
Get fucked around being made to do PT, pack marches, dumb mindgames, quick-decision-making exercises, and getting grilled by crusty fuckwits trying to gatekeep the Regiment so they can continue to feel relevant. Selects bogan fuckhead psychopaths and dumb cunts who won't snitch
I completed SASR selection and was non-selected due to personality. I know the precise moment and reason why even though they never explicitly said it, but it was a quick decision making exercise and I was given a scenario where a soldier from INDFOR killed a noncombatant by mistake and I said I'd be morally and legally obligated to report it.
>by mistake and I said I'd be morally and legally obligated to report it
Kek
Yeah, kinda funny considering the Ben Roberts thing.
This was 2018 so before all the warcrimes allegations came out. I also went to selection from a non-combat corps I was a quartermaster which is like the guy in the storeroom.
>Selects bogan fuckhead psychopaths and dumb cunts who won't snitch
Seriously? How'd you know?
Dev doesn’t even have a selection phase. Literally straight to otc.
Delta has a selection but it’s otc is mysterious in if it does anything similar to sas jungle. Seems delta really is so specific in its mission on CT and hostage rescue they only focus on cqb. It also used to seem like it would be better for delta to only select from rangers and sf but I’ve seen many guys who were delta and came from conventional army who seemed really good. So I think it doesn’t matter where you come from as their training process is so good.
Sas is basically an all around SOF unit as they don’t have the money like the US to have so many different sof units to specialize in their own little things. I imagine most other nati countries are similar. Which to me while may seem a detriment would make their operators more well rounded.
Lots is known about OTC. That being said it constantly evolves, OTC in the 80s during jet hijacking won't be the same as 2020s OTC with post-GWOT with drone warfare and what have you. CQB is focus but there is also lots of tradecraft, explosives, offensive driving etc.
They teach you everything from scratch so it doesnt matter if you were a ranger for 10 years or a cook in the navy - day 1 of OTC starts with basic rifle marksmanship. Same goes for selection, day 1 is showing you how to pack your rack, how to use compass, how to ladnavg. Everything that you could possibly need as a skillset will be shown to you. They want you to make it, or at the very least they want you to have all the advantages you could have and if you fail it's because you yourself gave up, because of an injury, or because of a personality problem.
I wonder if otc would be better if it was like green team but for rangers. That delta would only recruit from rangers and this not need to go back to the basics. Just treat delta like tier one rangers
OTC is meant to give you the minimum amount of skills needed to get your foot in the team. It's not the end of all training. These dudes typically stay in for 15 years in the unit and they keep learning new skills and doing new trainings/schools. You are looking at it the wrong way.
Also, most rangers tend to end up in the squadron that is predominantly ranger.
I recommend you to read a book called Alone at Dawn, it's about about John Chapman, the killed combat controller who was left alone by seals to slug it out with the taliban. While book handles that event, it also tells a history and training of combat controllers, goes into their selection and training and provides info I didn't see anywhere else. They copied their selection from Delta quite a bit, since they work with army so much. Lots of technical skills needed, definitely no joke and not that far behind Delta in terms of difficulty.
I got a call from 24 STS (worked with PJs and my SMSgt was aware of the contact) as I was separating from the Air Force. happened after I got the highest airman EPR rating in my group, so I’m guessing it was that coupled with quarterly awards packages. they were shocked that I declined and didn’t really want to hear any of the details but I hated the military at that point. still kind of curious what it would have been like though I assume the same shit just more requirements and less paperwork
Virtually everyone in Delta Force is a US Army Special Forces member or Ranger. The vast majority of jobs in the Army do not provide you with the skills to join Delta Force.
The major difference between SAS selection and US style training is the hostile environment.
In BUDS the instructors will basically bully you and grind you down as a group. The idea being to force you to work with the guys around you and create a bond through shared hardship.
SAS/SBS selection is solitary, you suffer on your own, no one will hold out a hand and help you when you're low. it's about finding the individual mental strength to continue. The only time staff will give a shit about you is when you're going through your counter espionage / torture training.
I think the latter produces the better soldier.
Buds selection sucks. It’s just a really hard pt test where everyone basically says the goal is to not stand out.
CIA Special Activities Division
glownagger posers
True. They are literally just army Sf retirees who have can operate in more countries than what would be allowed in by jsoc. Nothing in the cia exists like delta or devgru.
Only S-IIs had Jorge, other Spartan gens stay mirin
Varsity
Hear me out, new special forces division.
Anyone who’s scored in the 20 percentile and below.
And we make them do the sketchy shit like go back to Afghanistan and recover the armament
We give them unlimited rip it energy drinks, give them a flash light and tell ‘em it’s night vision
Project 100,000 except operators. Promising.
selection never ends
>mentions SAS but not SBS
Ever wonder why the Ukrainians got so good at naval shenanigans so fast?
SBS are superb,as are SAS,both within their respective rôles.
I think the Australian SAS has the best selection. They make you kill an abbo in the wild with a broken beer bottle, then boil his skull for a cup to drink beer with your vegemite on toast.
It's good training and prepares you to drink out of the prosthetics of your dead enemy.