Which rifle has preformed better in Ukraine AR or AK

Which rifle has preformed better in Ukraine AR or AK

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The one that is killing a vatnik at this very moment (both)

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    deez

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nuts

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Who's Steve Jobs?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    AK.
    The better accuracy of the AR is irrelevant when 99% of the time you are literally not aiming, you're just shooting in the general direction where you think the enemy is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      aiming is for gucchi teir 1 operators, who probably also have time to dust and clean their rifles
      ak is for grunt work + you can loot fresh corpses for spare ammo

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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    https://i.imgur.com/40nwTY8.png

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The bren

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Also, this. Frick AR/AK monotony I want to see some new firearms

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ah yes the ar18 but dressed up differently this time.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >classic look-inside-ar-18 EPIC MEME LOL PWNED
          Is the M1903 Springfield a Gewehr 98? Are Arisakas just Gewehr 98s?

          Nobody cares about the operating system, rotating bolt has been the superior meta for thousands of years. If it is different on the outside it is a different gun

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes
            Yes everyone cares
            You will never be a different gun

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              FAMAS, G3, or STG44 can be the new popular rifle if a single European country has the balls (they won't) to stand up to HK416 spam and modernize and adopt one of them

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Is the M1903 Springfield a Gewehr 98?
            No, it's a Spanish Mauser 1893 crossed with a US Krag. The 1903 action doesn't have any of the internal geometry changes to strengthen the breech of the M98 and more thoroughly support the cartridge case head.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The American market will shit on anything that's not an AR-15 anyway

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    AK's design has been obsolete for a while. AK 12 should have been a Vuk. Having so many openings in a rifle so that you can easily clean was revolutionary in the 50s, now it just causes unnecessary jams all the time. Meanwhile AR has practically no access points and is literally self-cleaning. From what I have heard, everyone who gets an AR switches to it permanently. And having a rail that actually reliably holds zero is life-changing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      as an AK aficionado, I can admit that the AR is better sealed against debris. However, acting like the AK dovetail rail doesn't hold zero is disingenuous at best

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >AK's design has been obsolete for a while.
      Its still the main rifle in spite of all the Brens and ARs around, Im not sure what fantasy land youre in.
      >From what I have heard, everyone who gets an AR switches to it permanently.
      Because its new. Ukrainians don't make their own AKs, so issued guns are mostly from the 90s at best.
      >And having a rail that actually reliably holds zero is life-changing
      This is the real problem, lack of modernization. People like the simplicity of not having to source rails, so being given a gun that already has them is luxurious. This is not a problem with AKs, this is a problem with the AKs they have.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine bought a manufacturing license for the bren. It will replace AK as the service rifle eventually

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What brens, the same ones as in WWIi?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Because its new. Ukrainians don't make their own AKs, so issued guns are mostly from the 90s at best.
        That's kinda false. Literally new AKs are (were) available from storage. That didn't make them any better. Also some stuff was produced after 1991, including the licensed Tavor stuff for the national guard.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          that was not a tavor, but a bullpup ak. you can see it by the ak firing selector in the back of the rifle. they might have a low number of tavors though.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >AK's design has been obsolete for a while
      Literally the ONLY real issue with the AK is that it's difficult to mount the whole operator kit on it which is irrelevant for 97% of end users. An optic is fine, if a bit clunky.
      For things like hardiness, maintainability, ease of operation, and reliability it totally DOMINATES the AR

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How can you start of so right and then jump off a cliff into crazy town?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >being correct is craziness in modern clown world

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >For things like hardiness, maintainability, ease of operation, and reliability it totally DOMINATES the AR
        as an owner of both, let me just lol at "ease of operation." The ergonomics of an AR really make going back to my AK feel like I'm using a 80 year old rifle. bolt hold opens are just so good and its nice being able to just shove a magazine in the hole and make it stick instead of having to make sure I rock it in in just the right way.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          oh and weight. My AR feels like a toy compared to my 7.5 pound (unloaded) krink. Thirdies may think that sounds bad because HAHA AMERICAN GUN LIKE TOY but it makes it so much handier and easier to aim.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            An AK-74 is 7 pounds unloaded and an M4 is 6.5 pounds. That is not a significant difference.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >An AK-74 is 7 pounds
              impressive how the serbians made a krinkov weigh as much as a full size rifle. I will add that most civvie rifles are lighter than an m4 was back in the day

              Rock in magazine is infinitely better than slide in. Fully loaded AR mags are difficult to seat properly and even if it looks right it might not be in all the way and it might drop out any moment. With a rock in mag you have the leverage of a thousand suns to cam that shit in there no matter how strongly the magazine spring is fighting you.

              this is cope

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Crazy serbians, I know.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Rock in magazine is infinitely better than slide in. Fully loaded AR mags are difficult to seat properly and even if it looks right it might not be in all the way and it might drop out any moment. With a rock in mag you have the leverage of a thousand suns to cam that shit in there no matter how strongly the magazine spring is fighting you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Neither is particularly important before shooting starts, and you don't need rock in if you've got bho.
            Reloading can be similarly fast in the absolute best case cherry picked situations, but in reality nothing comes close to "jam rectangle a inside rectangle b, hit button c".
            I say this as someone who owns and absolutely adores the AK and FAL.
            You have to recognize that in real terms there is a definite advantage to drop free, straight insert in 99% of situations.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >you don't need rock in if you've got bho
              Most of the time you should be changing mags before you're totally empty.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              also the bolt hold open tells you when you're empty because you can feel when it activates. My Zastava does too, but its a fake bolt hold open. It drops as soon as you drop the mag.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        AK ergos are dog shit. The reasonable middle ground is the vz58, there's a fair bunch of them used in this war.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes that rifle with 6 million aftermarket parts is superior.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's superior in stock setting too.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Let me guess, you’re a leaf.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >AK's design has been obsolete for a while
      I mean not really. The internals are good enough, just give it an upper with a fricking rail that holds zero and make the fire selector less moronic.
      But I guess the AK plant Russia has is like a STC at this point. Raw material goes in, AK comes out, but they don't know how it works or how to modify it.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    AK ofc

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The guy from the clip said he wanted an AR afterwards and later got one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you watched this video his own ak literally had a catastrophic malfunction and he had to use his friends ak to kill that guy, then after the video he was personally awarded and M4A1 by the defence minister. This I literally the worst fricking example! Jesus frick. Brother…
      Pic related is him receiving an M4A1 and the broken ak.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >what is probably a cheapo mallninja tier aftermarket plastic grip breaks
        >this is the AK rifles fault the AR is better

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >AR is better
          Yes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wile AR is a better weapon, it makes more sense to use an AK, after an assault at pidors trenches you will have probably depleted most if not all of your ammo, you will easily find plenty in their trenches without having to be resupplied. It is just more convenient. I recently saw a video in witch Ukies and also foreign volunteers soldiers were saying that they prefer to use AK for this reason.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much any soldier in AFU would choose a US/EU weapon instead of AK, if given a choice.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      didn't help the other guy in the clip

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Guns don't matter only artillery and anything else that explodes. Gun rights orgs are fighting the wrong fight not removing the nfa specifically so that people can have m203s and mk19s at the least.
    >Pic related
    Literally me posting this important information.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anon is right, everybody should own a cannon.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Triggered thirdie tourist

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    AR. Simply because it triggers the browns lurking here.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Since when is killing three (3) unarmed persons not a war criminal?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's a home invasion you Black person

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because you cannot put an action someone commited in jail, only the person that commited it, Mr. ESL, sir.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >uniformed combatants
        >not showing signs of surrender
        >moving rapidly towards your position with no declared intent
        the real question is why they dont have their guns on them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        killing occupiers is never a crime

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty sure Russia calls it a "SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION" so no war crimes for you vatnigg :^)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They poisoned the well with their grenade suicide bullshit. You don't get to do that and still expect that your surrender will be accepted.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Home defense

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The spec ops shouted several times that if the ziggers surreder they'll live. Do you know how to surrender properly? Not by running at them from behind the corner.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Funniest thing about this video is that this literal Ukro-Nazi ϟuper-ϟoldier was the man wearing the camera.
      Really. No bullshit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Good, he's killing ziggers and defends his country, he is okay in my book.
        >VatBlack folk are systematically killing Ukrainians for the last 100-150 years
        >Before WWI Ukrainians were till volgograd.
        >Some of them got radicalised
        >US is using those radicals as usual

        You did it to yourself, ork.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Even better

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        As he should

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Heroes of my Race
        Words on his shirt FYI

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    burst was a mistake

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >5.56 auto so controllable it just turns into a death hose at close range you can spray in the general direction of the enemy
      It's perfect.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I never would have thought that Stoner's design would be the trench broom of 2023

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Great vid.

      >suppressing
      >SHUT UP ZIGGER
      >back to suppressing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      B-but I thought no-one uses full auto even at close range like the bearded operators on youtube told me.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There hasn't been a massive difference because they are both okay service rifle. The AK-12 specifically was absolute fricking dogshit at the start though and a lot of vatniks conveniently forget it. Kalashnikov concern had to roll out a set of fixes mid-war because of how bad it got. The selector switch would override all the way into the trigger guard if you used it too fast and hard and the two round burst added too much complexity and cost, the chinesium handguard bent and wouldn't hold zero for the few spetsnaz that used designators and shit, the stock would break and snap, the muzzle device uses a proprietary attachment system that is incompatible with all previous suppressors and so on and so on. It still doesn't even have an adjustable gas block after the most recent revisions.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Makes you wonder if they even did ANY testing at all for the AK-12 as all of the issues were incredibly apparent from just anyone knowledgeable about guns picking up the thing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The AK-12 was never meant to be used in an actual war but rather just to manufacture something to get funding to steal. When a war actually broke out they had to fix stuff.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It still doesn't even have an adjustable gas block after the most recent revisions.
      AKs don't really need them. Nor do ARs, if were being honest.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Adjustable gasblock with normal, suppressed, and adverse settings would be a good idea for any gas operated gun.
        That way normal can be tuned for a smoother gun

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    From the footage I've seen the AKs end up having questionable reliability in the conditions they're being exposed to. So much so that a lot of guys are running around with two rifles in case the first one goes down. I haven't seen any M4 malfunctions or issues but those rifles tend to be carried by dudes in maneuver elements and are relatively clean and well maintained. So, based on video evidence alone, I don't think any conclusions can be drawn other than that they both tend to work more often than they don't.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The most prized rifle in Ukraine is a Daniel Defense AR, apparently. Soldiers prefer its ergos and modularity.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    From what I recall based on videos of guys who used multiple platforms.
    >AK good, less maintenance but not as ergonomic as AR
    >AR good, requires a lot more maintenance but is far easier to use in most situations
    >HK416 best, goto for anyone that can get one

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >another thread getting derailed with gore

    Kill all war trannies.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What do you expect since this board has become flooded with redditors and polBlack folk

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >anon saying gore is reddit
        What universe am I in now?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Redditors are insufferable edgy tryhards too, you know it, I know it. Don't play dumb. They like to derail threads to gobble ukranian dick at every possible opportunity

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What are guns for?

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The MG3.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >MG3
      That's an Italian-made Beretta MG42/59
      You can tell from the unique muzzle brake, and the fact that the feed tray is set up to take these old school sheet metal assault 50-round drums rather than NATO-spec belt boxes.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ukies have been complaining about their AKs freezing during the winter, and getting choked up after a few mags without cleaning. Most prefer the AR since it doesnt have the same issues

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what the hell kinda bizzaro universe did we enter? I think ARs blow AKs out of the water but the AKS are the ones freezing?
      The cleaning I can see because of sealed environment but I always saw he ARs choke during freeze tests.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Consider the overall age and maintenance record of what they have.
        Their western stuff is relatively new and low-mileage. Contrast with old beaten up and neglected soviet-era slavshit that's probably oiled with mineral sludge from a nearby abandoned sewer.
        Their newer stuff like malyuks are just fine.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >what the hell kinda bizzaro universe did we enter?
        The kind where idiots still try to put two different designs with different strengths and weaknesses in equal standing relative to eachother.

        >"Hwich is better"
        Have both. Learn both. Understand both.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Without ammo even the best weapon is useless, with an AK in the current battlefield, you will never run out of ammo.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you want a real answer to this question and good reviews of different guns Ukrainians have received, watched valgear on YouTube.
    He was fighting with AZOV since 2014 and is a gun autist. Using AK74 for years until getting his hands on bren2, scar16, and AR15.
    His main point was really about how the transition was rather difficult for most people used to AK, because western weapons require more maintenance. Initially they all had a lot of malfunctions. His group had like 10 bren 2s and half of them went down because they were in an area with lots of sand and didn’t clean them properly. He simply says the AK can take much more use and abuse as a soldier and still work without cleaning or maintenance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So the mems were true!
      >Captcha: PRVD0
      In general slavic terms pravda means truth lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >muh captcha means something!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes vatBlack person, that Ukrainians have god on their side and you not you zork.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Based on videos we've seen...

    AK
    >magdump on someone in the shitter
    >he still runs away
    AR
    >clears entire zigger trenches
    >fast and reliable kills

    Is the AK only good for suicides?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why are 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm so anemic compared to 5.56x45mm? Is it just ammunition quality?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the 5.56 is made in western factories, and thus probably always to a certain standard. The 5.45 is made in eastern factories which use cheap ass cat piss powder and may not always be loaded to full spec.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    AR is better for manlets.

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