which is the better low observable cruise missile, SCALP or JASSM

which is the better low observable cruise missile, SCALP or JASSM

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The one that has seen more export success, scalp.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It’s been around way longer. JASSM has better capabilities and is actually considered stealthy due to its RAM coating that SCALP lacks entirely

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        sounds like cope

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s not so much as cope as the British not having access to RAM at the time it was developed.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Britain didn't have RAM in the 90's

            lel you're so mad about brits that you just leap into making a fool of yourself.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              So scalp has ram?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                They have to be climate controlled in storage, so almost certainly. Not that it really matters because low altitude flight and terrain masking is the best stealth you'll get.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                > low altitude flight and terrain masking is the best stealth you'll get
                Isn’t helpful when in flat areas or in the ocean. You’ll Definitely want RAM to have the most effective chance of slipping past missile defenses

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                In flat areas you terrain mask by using the curvature of the earth, when you come over the horizon pretty much every modern radar is going to detect you regardless of your RAM as you'll be like 10-15nm away.

                Mission planners will still plot missiles around radar sites though.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/O7mU9OU.jpg

                They have to be climate controlled in storage, so almost certainly. Not that it really matters because low altitude flight and terrain masking is the best stealth you'll get.

                also low terrain isn't really helpful for achieving its maximum range.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            The british part in the Franco-british SCALP is the BROACH warhead. Not the missile's airframe, RAM, or anything else really.
            The SCALP is the direct descendant of the franco-german APACHE in which the only german thing were the KRISS anti-runway submunitions.
            The only reason why brits defend the "Storm Shadow" is because they think it is made in England. It's not.

            JASSM is longer ranged, stealthier, and most importantly of all it has networked capabilities. The big drawback of the scalp is that it can’t accept updated orders in flight. The JASSM has secondary targets programmed in so once the main target is destroyed they don’t waste missiles

            This. SCALP is a good system but it's getting quite old. Which is why MBDA France and MBDA UK work on two different missiles, originally supposed to be a single missile, the FC/ASW, or FMAN FMC in french. One is a future cruise missile, subsonic and very stealthy, the other a supersonic antiship missile, less stealthy. This joint programme started as a 50-50 single weapon solution, but there are now two very different approaches, one 90% british, the other 90% french. I wouldn't worry about it though, as brits will most probably abandon this program ultimately and buy american, then proceed to blame and mock frogs in stupid threads like this one.

            https://i.imgur.com/bLDlHSW.jpg

            We already have surface and sub surface launched SCALP/Storm Shadow. Probably one of the various reasons more countries have bought it.

            There is no surface or launched SCALP or "Storm Shadow". It's a different missile reusing some of the same components, named the MdCN, improperly called "SCALP naval" by MBDA France for export reasons.
            It's also a bigger, 1000km range missile, not a 450km one, sorry "560km" according to brits.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Frick off warriortard

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm french and I have no fricking idea what or who you are talking about. The Warrior is not a very good vehicle if that's your concern.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm french
                My condolences

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                > The Warrior is not a very good vehicle if that's your concern
                You just outed yourself as a moron

                He pitted himself like 4 of these threads ago moron

                wtf is this some new /k/ lore I'm unaware off? Who is that "Warriortard" anyway? The british version of Armatard?
                I'm lost.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Warriortard seethes about the Warrior IFV and other british equipment, spams threads and samegays a lot, is possibly just another fake alter ego of Armatard.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                > The Warrior is not a very good vehicle if that's your concern
                You just outed yourself as a moron

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                He pitted himself like 4 of these threads ago moron

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                he's not wrong tho?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The british shills pretend like anyone making fun of them is the same person and named the persona warriortard. They are too dumb and gave up on persuading anyone, and would rather pretend to be fighting an imaginary boogieman.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The one that has seen more export success, scalp.

          you are a moron

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        the only good thing about jassm is the fact that it spawned lrasm

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I’m sure you’ll elaborate. You must absolutely hate SCALP

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yea SCALP is even shittier than JASSM. The LRASM is the only one worth talking about

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            literally irrelevant but
            old scalps didnt had a flight pattern and flew at 50 meters
            newer scalps have HHL HLL LLL and fly at most at 9 meters
            however what i said about jassm is true lrasm is the only option out of that family

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              The JASSM is better than storm shadow

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                why?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's getting M-code GPS upgrade soon.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >range
                >RAM coating vs No RAM coating
                >the ability to change course after firing
                >better launch platforms
                It’s verifiably better I’m sorry you can’t accept it

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Both have RAM coatings, and both are stealthy missiles. Apache isn't marketed as stealthy and it's the same shape as scalp, the addition of a coating is easily visible.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                SCALP doesn’t have a RAM coating and it’s embarrasing that you think it does. Please post a reputable source that backs your statement up

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >range
                your typical scalp or the scalp naval?
                >RAM coating vs No RAM coating
                irrelevant for the newer ones the detection range at such low alt is the same regardless since radar bleed through elliminates "ram coating"purely because of peak power
                >the ability to change course after firing
                on a cruise missile? i can hardly see any sort of type of situation where this would happen
                >better launch platforms
                define better the f35 can carry 2 jassm and only one jassm-er and -xr not sure how this is a better platform..
                scalp besides mirage 2000 which can only carry one on the rest it can be carried by 3+4 (AA 2 fox 2 2 fox 3) and 2 external fuel tanks
                plus the naval version with the booster can be fired from both sylver and mk 41

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The JASSM ER outranges both. Just saying RAM coating is irrelevant doesn’t make it so. Better platforms as in B2 stealth bombers and palletized out of a c-130.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                scalp naval has a 1400km range
                so no
                > Just saying RAM coating is irrelevant doesn’t make it so. Better platforms as in B2 stealth bombers and palletized out of a c-130.

                you clearly dont understand stealth if you think that peak power output isnt the only factor at play here

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yea JASSM XR dwarfs that at 1900 km. Plus the naval scalp is limited to shipborne use. An f-35 for example can strike targets with a JASSM ER 1900 km away on an internal fuel load.
                >RAM not important!
                >no you don’t understand stealth!
                Feels good that this guy keeps commenting and losing

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yea JASSM XR

                The JASSM ER outranges both. Just saying RAM coating is irrelevant doesn’t make it so. Better platforms as in B2 stealth bombers and palletized out of a c-130.

                >The JASSM ER outranges both.

                homie please stick to a story
                >Feels good that this guy keeps commenting and losing
                please tell me how stealth works anon ill wait

                please
                PLEASE DO

                Scalp naval also has to strap a massive booster on and is exceedingly rare. And it’s still outranged by air launched JASSM. The air launched SCALP is just so short ranged

                and? its still a scalp its not like jassm-er and -xr doesnt come with a booster

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry the JASSM-ER outranges the air launched version. And the XR outranges the ship launched version. Therefore the JASSM has a longer range

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >its not like jassm-er and -xr doesnt come with a booster
                ER doesn't, XR probably does, the ER is physically the same size though.
                >Using a more efficient engine and larger fuel volume in an airframe with the same external dimensions as the JASSM, the JASSM-ER is intended to have a range of over 575 mi (925 km) as compared to the JASSM's range of about 230 mi (370 km)

                JASSM-XR is like 2x the weight with 2x larger warhead though, so it most likely has a big booster on it.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Scalp naval also has to strap a massive booster on and is exceedingly rare. And it’s still outranged by air launched JASSM. The air launched SCALP is just so short ranged

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Range and stealth mostly

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thats just politics.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Plus scalp was on the market way before JASSM

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Boy do I have news about the challenger series of tanks if that’s a reliable metric

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does Apache accept SCALP?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      C A R L O S

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Basically the same thing.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      JASSM is longer ranged, stealthier, and most importantly of all it has networked capabilities. The big drawback of the scalp is that it can’t accept updated orders in flight. The JASSM has secondary targets programmed in so once the main target is destroyed they don’t waste missiles

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can program multiple targets into Storm Shadow/Scalp and it will hunt for them, you just can't update in flight, at least with the older version anyway, the new version has been fired and the update/life extension rolled out to probably almost all RAF missiles that haven't been put aside for Ukraine.

        >https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/update-mid-life-refurbishment-of-uk-storm-shadow-stockpile-nears-completion#:~:text=%E2%80%9CStorm%20Shadow%20MLR%2FSPEAR%20Cap,2022%2C%E2%80%9D%20the%20spokesperson%20added.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          > You can program multiple targets into Storm Shadow/Scalp and it will hunt for them, you just can't update in flight
          That’s a massive drawback.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not really, strike missions are planned in advance, you just go on a seek and destroy mission with the cruise missile, it's not ace combat.

            It might actually become a huge bonus if they get given to Ukraine because we will see pre-programmed missiles being fired by Migs.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yea it’s a huge part of strike planning. Not having a missile that can switch to secondary targets when told to is a massive capability that’s lost. Couple that with its short range and inefficient flight profile due to not having RAM and you start to see its flaws plain as day

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Not having a missile that can switch to secondary targets when told to is a massive capability that’s lost.

                It can swap when it realises the first target is destroyed, it's never been a problem in its extensive combat use, and the new version probably can be programmed in flight. You're really clutching at straws here.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >extensive combat use
                Proof?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Iraq, Afganistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, possibly in west Africa too, i don't know if the french used it there. Likely coming to Ukraine at some point.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Iraq, Afganistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, possibly in west Africa too
                May I see it?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                you can google it for yourself yes

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You made the claim, you find the evidence to support it, not me. Chop, chop!

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                i'll do that when you prove that Javelin has a refrigerated box, RQ 170 is large and unstealthy (and can be tracked on flight radar) and that harpoon isn't a cruise misisle. Juts a few of your hilariously wrong opinions.

                Meanwhile everything I've posted is self evident. Cry about it. This is probably why you're unemployed.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >but what about

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The fact you think you're talking to the same person is funny.

                Also see [...]
                Just because you want to ignore responses that make you look moronic doesn't mean they don't exist.

                These posts are too close together. It’s clear there are 2 pro JASSM posters and 1 anti JASSM poster making the bulk of the posts.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The fact you think you're talking to the same person is funny.

                Also see

                I never implied it was for storage and not for firing. My whole entire point was active chilling does NOT suddenly mean it's because it is stealthy.
                That's has been the entire point, the fact you've gone off on some random side quest about proving how javelin works is irrelevant to the discussion. SCALP isn't stealthy, it's low observability.

                Just because you want to ignore responses that make you look moronic doesn't mean they don't exist.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >i'll do that when you prove that Javelin has a refrigerated box, RQ 170 is large and unstealthy (and can be tracked on flight radar) and that harpoon isn't a cruise misisle. Juts a few of your hilariously wrong opinions.
                I didn't make any of these claims, so, why would I need to back them up, brainlet? Now, where is that proof?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes you did warriortard freak. You hate when British weapons outperform American ones

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                But you've never once proven SCALP even matches JASSM, let alone "out performs".

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn’t have to match to outperform. No one really needs a cruise missile with a longer range than 300 miles.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao ahh great now we've reached the point where you just admit it's straight up worse, but it doesn't matter because no one needs it anyway.

                K

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes you did
                Where? Now, stop deflecting and post those proofs, my frenless, terminally online shill fren.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                But how does it back up your claim of
                > It can swap when it realises the first target is destroyed

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh the storm shadow can’t do that. The JASSM can though

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >not having RAM
                If you repeat it enough maybe you will start believing it

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Show us storm shadow with RAM. You wont be able to. That’s why it had the same flight profiles as the fricking tomahawk kek

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              this amount of confidence from a neverserved is admirable

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                No counterargument detected from the LARP'ing euro NEET

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/m4ZiZSb.jpg

        Don’t forget that JASSMs can be palletized and launched out of standard cargo planes

        thread should have ended here

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    this thread was better the firstt time around

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      kek I remember that thread. That guy who said networking and data linking isn’t used for missiles strikes getting BTFO

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I remember you getting upset because the consensus was that it either made no difference or that it was Scalp/Storm Shadow.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I..it makes no difference
          holy shit is that you

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            This kek

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >dis homie boiling

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Clearly the scars are still fresh so you had to make the thread again.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Probably the one that can hug terrain and won't fly at 2k ft - Storm Shadow.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      JASSM flies about 5-10m off the ground when it gets close to the target.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You mean when it's about to hit the ground? lmao, what delicious cope.

        It cruises at nearly 2,000 feet, Storm Shadow and Tomahawk hug the terrain down at like 100ft. Have fun terrain masking at 2k ft unless you're in the alps lol

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It can cruise at low altitudes. I’m going to need a source stating that it can only fly at 2k feet

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I can’t find any sources saying it’s only profile is high altitude. It wouldn’t be a problem because the JASSM is full spectrum stealth so it can fly higher than nonsteslthy systems like storm shadow. It’s what helps give the ER a much bigger range than the storm shadow as it’s more efficient to fly at those altitudes

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >not being able to terrain mask isn't a problem
              said no pilot ever

              >JASSM is all aspect VLO
              It's not lol

              >It’s what helps give the ER a much bigger range
              We don't actually know the max range of storm shadow, we just know the "over 300nm" when flying a low profile. Given the near identical weight it would be silly to think they are significantly different. JASSM had to rush out a range upgrade, storm shadow didn't.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why do you think it can’t fly low? It doesn’t because unlike the storm shadow it’s VLO so it can fly higher and more efficiently.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Over 300nmi???????

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Absolutely mogged by JASSM variants.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's very telling that the limit of your knowledge is what google curates for you.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I just know that SCALP range is longer than I can find a source for because it came to me in a dream
                I broke this guy

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Never said it's longer, i said it's probably about the same, since the manufacturer says greater than 350 miles when flying a lo-lo route. We have no figure for when it flies Hi-lo or hi-hi

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it probably has the same as the system that has almost double the listed range
                lmao

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            1,600 feet isn't low, at that altitude a radar on the ground can see you on level terrain from more than 60 miles away lol. Also it means that vast majority of earths terrain isn't able to hide you.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              > 1,600 feet isn't low, at that altitude a radar on the ground can see you on level terrain from more than 60 miles away lol
              Which radar can see JASSM from 60 miles away? Be very specific and cite your sources.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Which radar

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's the radar horizon, it's not exactly a challenging distance for a modern radar even on a VLO target (cruise missiles aren't VLO)

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The one with ram coating, longer range, and the ability to take commands mod flight. JASSM is also the only one that can fired from a stealth bomber

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is fricking incredible. A stealth bomber armed with standoff stealthy munitions is quite the capability.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The lack of terrain following ability is probably why more countries about bought storm shadow.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    JIZZM

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56143
    US Army may procure a JASSM variant to serve as Ground-Launched Long-Range Missiles

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      We already have surface and sub surface launched SCALP/Storm Shadow. Probably one of the various reasons more countries have bought it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        *wrong pic

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Scalp has been on the market a lot longer. Just like how stinger has 6x as many foreign customers as starstreak

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Stinger sales mogged starstreak because starstreak lacks fire and forget. Just as JASSM lacks terrain following

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >300 mile range cruise missile on a ship
        For what purpose?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ask the US who still use 80 mile harpoons

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            The US doesn’t use harpoons for cruise missile strikes. Or are you suggesting the storm shadow, which can’t be updated in flight, is used in an ASM role?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I know the storm shadow doesn’t have one but Doesn’t the JASSM actually have an anti ship variant?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Harpoons are not cruise missiles

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Might want to read up on what a cruise missile is moron.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The harpoon is an anti ship missile used for anti ship purposes. The scalp is not an anti ship missile and is used for striking stationary targets. The fact that scalp only has a 300 mile range means it’s a very short ranged cruise missile to be launched from a boat. That would be a long range anti ship missile but since it lacks anti ship capability it’s just a short ranged cruise missile. When you tried to compare the two as equals it was actually pretty funny because you didn’t have a shorter range boat launched cruise missile to compare it to

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The harpoon is an anti ship missile used for anti ship purposes.

                What does this have to do with its propulsion moron?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It’s an old as frick anti ship missile. Why are you so desperate to compare it to a missile that’s meant to strike targets on land? 300 miles is really short for a ship launched cruise missile. And that 300 mile figure is almost certainly when launched from altitude

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Except the naval version has an extra booster and the 300m range was from a low level launch and cruise.

                None of this changes the fact you don't know what a cruise missile is.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Harpoons are not cruise missiles

              You will never live this down.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            What does the short range of an entirely different class of missile have to do with the storm shadows short range?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              More than triple the range of harpoon

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >still comparing it to an old ass anti ship missile
                This is your best concession yet

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                What's a cruise missile?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                And? Are shitty harpoons meant for striking targets on land like the SCALP.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Impressive

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sub launched for a missile with as short of range as the storm shadow doesn’t make much sense. Why no surface launched variant in the works like jassm

        https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56143
        US Army may procure a JASSM variant to serve as Ground-Launched Long-Range Missiles

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Powerful American wienersneed Fartin shits on inferior brit/baguette technology, what's new?

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fake euro warriortard is so dumb, bet its the guy I named radar kiddie.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like JASSM posters won

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Warriortard thread
    Shame on you homosexuals for falling for it.
    81 posters 15 IP's, warriortard being two of them.
    Kek

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    JASSM and it’s not even close

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    JASSM production is going up to 500+ per year soon, and it's planned to eventually go to even upwards of 1000-1500+ per year production capacity.

    They expect JASSM to be the bread and butter of many western nations.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They
      Who's they? Can you source it?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m not sure what he’s referring but the Netherlands just put in a request for tomahawks and JASSM ER.
        https://defence-industry.eu/the-netherlands-plans-to-purchase-jassm-er-missiles-for-its-f-35-fleet/

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Australia and Germany selected the JASSM-ER as well. I believe the Australian ones have already been delivered.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I believe the Australian ones have already been delivered
            I doubt it, LRIP (Low-rate Initial Production) starts deliveries in Jan 2024 at a rate of 5 missiles per month.

            So I highly doubt Australia already got theirs.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Again, nothing confirmed it's just based on the long term projected production

        I don't think the US is going to need 500-1000+ JASSMs per year, but if they're producing for export customers, then it makes more sense.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The US is building a nice little stockpile of these things. 1625 in the past 3 fiscal years

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            and they wont let me have a single one. ridiculous!

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            These paired with the B-2 or B-21 have gotta scare the shit outta china.

            Relatively cheap missile swarms AND paired with a stealth platform that can sit preeeetty close to your air defense radars without being seen.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don’t forget that JASSMs can be palletized and launched out of standard cargo planes

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That’s actually pretty cool

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/m4ZiZSb.jpg

        Don’t forget that JASSMs can be palletized and launched out of standard cargo planes

        Yeah theoretically the US has the capacity to launch their entire stockpile of JASSM missiles simultaneously in one massive swarm strike using just under 100 C-17's

        There are currently ~2000 of each of the AGM-183A and AGM-183B for a total of about 4000 JASSMs.

        Rapid Dragon allows a C-17 to hold 45 JASSMs in 5 pallets of 9 missiles each. So ~89 C-17s would be needed for about 4000 JASSMs. The USAF has ~220 C-17s in service, so they could probably get 100 in the air at once if they really needed to.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine how many guaranteed destroyed targets just 1500 JASSMs could take out. You could cripple every military target in most nations with a strike like that.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's the kind of conventional strike that could warrant a nuclear response.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >so effective that a nuclear response is warranted
              I believe it

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's the kind of conventional strike that could warrant a nuclear response.

            Still not enough. US really needs a larger stockpile of JASSMs, especially the ER. Also the LRASM.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I would be diamonds seeing JASSM-ER and LRASM production reaching 1k annually for each. Don't forget about the JASSM-XR
              >https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/jassm/
              XR will be here next year apparently and hopefully will have a around a 1100 mile range (will likely be a bigger version tho). There's also HALO which should compliment LRASM as a high speed ship killer
              >https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/sea-air-space-2023/2023/03/us-navy-moves-forward-with-halo-hypersonic-carrier-based-weapon/
              I remembering reading about Northrup developing a ramjet powered anti-ship weapon a few months ago, could be part of HALO or something else. There was also the Sea Dragon meme in 2018 after China hacked the data for it. Specifically was said it was an existing weapon that was also supersonic so likely was sub launched SM-6 modified for maritime strikes.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/GUldDcj.jpg

      The one with ram coating, longer range, and the ability to take commands mod flight. JASSM is also the only one that can fired from a stealth bomber

      [...]
      Yeah theoretically the US has the capacity to launch their entire stockpile of JASSM missiles simultaneously in one massive swarm strike using just under 100 C-17's

      There are currently ~2000 of each of the AGM-183A and AGM-183B for a total of about 4000 JASSMs.

      Rapid Dragon allows a C-17 to hold 45 JASSMs in 5 pallets of 9 missiles each. So ~89 C-17s would be needed for about 4000 JASSMs. The USAF has ~220 C-17s in service, so they could probably get 100 in the air at once if they really needed to.

      Seeing shit like this gets me so rock hard

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jassm

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s the JASSM

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    ground launched JASSM/LRASM for US Army and Marines please
    please

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the terminal guidance on SCALP? Or is it just hitting a way point without any terminal on board sensor?

    The Navy apparently figured out how to put the LRASM moving target engagement capability into JASSM since the IR seeker is identical in both and it was just a software change. I don't know how many or if any have been retrofitted that way but it seems like a no brainer since you don't have to add anything to the weapon. They worked it out to increase the total magazine of antiship weapons available to all branches.

    I don't know how useful a thermal seeker is in a land attack cruise missile but having your main cruise missile be able to target both ships and fixed sites seems like a big benefit to me. Maybe SCALP can be updated in the same way idk that would be good though.

    On balance it seems like the low observable nature and range of the JASSM would make it the better choice but the main factor is the range since I doubt anyone here knows the rcs of the two systems.

    Also not sure which one costs more, that would be a relevant factor. A 300 mile range is great if the weapon is pretty cheap and abundant. If they are about the same cost that would be a pretty major drawback.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What's the terminal guidance on SCALP? Or is it just hitting a way point without any terminal on board sensor?

      You pre program images of the target and specify aim points so you can make it fly through a specific window of a house.

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Finland has JASSM and Finland is based therefore JASSM is based as well

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The main drawback of SCALP is it’s short range and it’s inability to receive instruction mid flight

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    JASSM can be hacked, Storm Shadow can't

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >JASSM can be hacked
      Source? How would the hacker known as PrepHole know to hack a missile he isn’t aware is in the air

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because it can't fly at low level and therefore at best case it's visible to radars from 60 miles away.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          What do you mean it can’t fly at low level? What would prevent it from doing so? It doesn’t fly at low level because its stealth is great and it’s more fuel efficient to cruise higher up.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            JASSM cruises at 1,600ft, Storm Shadow (which is also a stealthy cruise missile with RAM) flies at 100ft because it has TERCOM like tomahawk. JASSM lacks this feature so can't fly low for risk of hitting things. Anything that can be re-targeted remotely is liable to be hacked.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >which is also a stealthy cruise missile with RAM
              It doesn’t have RAM. You’ve been asked to source this multiple times.
              >Anything that can be re-targeted remotely is liable to be hacked.
              Hacked by what, how will they know were to look for a hackable missile?
              >tercom
              Sounds like the longer ranged tomahawk is the better missile as the tomahawk and stormshadow both lack RAM and are forced to terrain mask. Luckily JASSM is much stealthier and can fly a better route.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it has to be climate controlled
                >it is described as stealthy when APACHE which is the same shape isn't
                >you can literally see the coating

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can tell it’s not very stealthy because it has to fly the same profile as tomahawks. Plus the fact that stormshadow lacks RAM

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Storm shadow has never had a radar absorbent coating. The JASSM on the other hand does.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                your whole argument hinges on this lie that is patently false to everyone that's not a butthurt european troll

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Then why can’t you just source it already? If I’m so wrong about the RAM coating just prove it

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why is Storm Shadow stealthy and APACHE not?

                Why does Storm Shadow get stored in climate controlled boxes?

                Why can wee literally see a coating on it that isn't on apache?

                your vatnik tier "proofs" posting is desperation because you know perfectly well it's self evident and that MBDA don't discuss stealth features of it's weapons in detail.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why is Storm Shadow stealthy
                It’s not very stealthy. It’s LO due to its shaped features

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why does Storm Shadow get stored in climate controlled boxes?
                Javelin ATGMs get stored in refrigerated boxes too, that doesn't mean they're stealthy.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Javelin ATGMs get stored in refrigerated boxes too

                No they don't lmao. You think there's a refrigeration system in here that can deal with being stored at up to 71C?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >how to spot a neverserved
                at the ASP javelins are in climate controlled boxes. In the field they are not. Now watch as I BTFO you with a picture of SCALP outside of its box. Next you’re going to have to show me stormshadow in its climate controlled box. You wont be able to and we will continue to laugh at you grasping for straws

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                moron

                > The M98A1 is equipped with a Dewar Stirling refrigerator. The missile is equipped with a small battery-compatible refrigerator in the launch tube. If the power is not locked and launched for 4 minutes, the power will not be enough, and a small refrigerator and battery need to be replaced.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit, you think the system to cool the thermal sensor so it can see it's target is actully to just keep the box cool? my fucing sides.

                https://i.imgur.com/Y0hZ3XO.jpg

                >how to spot a neverserved
                at the ASP javelins are in climate controlled boxes. In the field they are not. Now watch as I BTFO you with a picture of SCALP outside of its box. Next you’re going to have to show me stormshadow in its climate controlled box. You wont be able to and we will continue to laugh at you grasping for straws

                >at the ASP javelins are in climate controlled boxes

                They aren't i just proved this.

                >Now watch as I BTFO you with a picture of SCALP outside of its box.

                I can post a photo of B2 outside of it's climate controlled hanger, does that mean it doesn't need climate control to maintain it's coating?

                >Next you’re going to have to show me stormshadow in its climate controlled box. You wont be able to and we will continue to laugh at you grasping for straws

                Here you go. this must really sting after setting yourself up like that.

                1/2

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/Y0hZ3XO.jpg

                >how to spot a neverserved
                at the ASP javelins are in climate controlled boxes. In the field they are not. Now watch as I BTFO you with a picture of SCALP outside of its box. Next you’re going to have to show me stormshadow in its climate controlled box. You wont be able to and we will continue to laugh at you grasping for straws

                2/2

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They aren't i just proved this.
                Are you really trying to "win" your argument by claiming that because the entire BOX isn't refrigerated and because the javelin has an integrated cooling unit that you've somehow found some "gotcha" that proves you're right?

                You're a joke and the fact you're going THIS far to shill for a clearly, demonstrably worse missile is honestly ALMOST as hilarious as the Japanese/Nordic homosexual being pimped out by his family.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You claimed the box was refrigerated, you then posted information about the seeker. You are yet to prove that Javelin has a refrigerated box.

                I have posted Storm Shadows climate controlled box.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                So how are you going to prove SCALP uses the box for stealth RAM protection instead of chilling down the seeker?

                Of wait, you can't

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The SCALP doesn’t have RAM. That’s why it can’t cruise like JASSM

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The box doesn't cool the seeker, you're the only one saying boxes are for cooling/refrigeration. SCALP doesn't need to cool it's seeker, it uses infrared imaging not thermal.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Again how do you know what its cooling. Could be pre-chilling fuel, or some other electric component. You have no idea what it's doing.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because i'm not a moron who has no idea how javelin and thermal seekers work. Why do you think there is 4 minutes of cooling if it's for long term storage and not for cooling before firing?

                And they’re not for the RAM because SCALP doesn’t have it as we’ve proved earlier in the thread

                you're very triggered at me posting the climate controlled box arent you?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You keep ignoring the fact that it doesn’t have RAM. Why is that

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I never implied it was for storage and not for firing. My whole entire point was active chilling does NOT suddenly mean it's because it is stealthy.
                That's has been the entire point, the fact you've gone off on some random side quest about proving how javelin works is irrelevant to the discussion. SCALP isn't stealthy, it's low observability.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                And they’re not for the RAM because SCALP doesn’t have it as we’ve proved earlier in the thread

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Me failing to prove that SCALP has RAM isn’t proof that it doesn’t have it. Most UK militech is highly classified.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're so upset you've started false flagging lmao, i own you. I know vastly more about military matters than you and it shows every time we interact radar kiddie. Must suck living in your literally who euro country looking at the UK shitting on every military capability your country has.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Can someone translate

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're the only one whi speaks hindi street shitter, use google translate.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Considering there are sources that claim it doesn't, and no sources that claim it does. I think it's safe to assume it doesn't, and you're wrong.

                Why even hide that it has a RAM coating, it wouldn't change anything if we knew, the fact the US specifically mentions RAM on JASSM but the French and UK have NEVER said it about SCALP should tell you all you need to know.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Frick off warriortard

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Shut the frick up, JASSM mogs SCALP.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not warriortard, it's the euro wanabe of him. likely German or one of those shitty made up countries between Germany and France.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm American and literally just woke up 20 minutes ago, whatever delusion you want to invent for yourself to convince yourselves I'm someone else is fine.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stop replying to him moron he's 200 posts in of mostly samegayging.

                All of this may be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that JASSM is better than storm shadow. And all of this warriortard talk won’t change that simple fact

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't even make sense, I'm literally saying JASSM is better.

                I'm American and literally just woke up 20 minutes ago, whatever delusion you want to invent for yourself to convince yourselves I'm someone else is fine.

                Considering there are sources that claim it doesn't, and no sources that claim it does. I think it's safe to assume it doesn't, and you're wrong.

                Why even hide that it has a RAM coating, it wouldn't change anything if we knew, the fact the US specifically mentions RAM on JASSM but the French and UK have NEVER said it about SCALP should tell you all you need to know.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stop replying to him moron he's 200 posts in of mostly samegayging.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                He’s desperate. The JASSM was shown to be much better and he can’t handle it. America is supposed to be overrated

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You’re the one that’s visibly upset that the US designed and produced a better cruise missile than the British

                >Storm Shadow is an Anglo-French low-observable, long-range, air-launched cruise missile developed since 1994 by Matra and British Aerospace
                wrecked again. Please keep commenting

                We’re talking about SCALP. It’s a British design
                > Storm Shadow is an Anglo-French low-observable, long-range, air-launched cruise missile developed since 1994 by Matra and British Aerospace
                Regarding the Apache
                > The SCALP EG missile is based on it, notably featuring similar aerodynamics and stealth. However, the latter has a different propulsion system and carries a single high-penetration warhead instead of the Apache's cluster submunitions.
                >latter has different propulsion and warhead
                >latter does not have RAM

                >Why is Storm Shadow stealthy and APACHE not?
                Jesus Christ it's virtually almost the same airframe you cretin. The Black Shaheen is closer to the APACHE to be entirely fair. But there is no special bong sauce applied to the SCALP to make it magically better. It's just a french airframe with a bong 400kg tandem charge inside. It's also 30+ years old tech at this point. Which is why it's gonna get replaced in a few years.
                Holy shit wtf is this thread?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Wtf is this thread
                A shill, shilling.
                His name is warriortard and he argues with himself all day. A true schizo.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you quoting the person proving the point and not the person trying to claim it has some fastest RAM coating?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Just laughing at copers that tried to shoehorn SCALP as better than JASSM due to their massive inferiority complexes.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why wouldn’t they just intercept it? Who’s going to hack into it? What will they use? Be as detailed as possible

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because people use soft and hard kill measures together for maximum effect. It's well within China and other countries power to hack US low observable systems, it's been done before by far less sophisticated enemies.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              b b but how did they know to hack it if it was stealthy cried the moron

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                He didn’t answer how. He just said but China

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Someone could explain in great detail how Iran hacked RQ-170 and you'd still here crying about sources despite there being literal pictures of the drone in Iran lol.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is there a difference between a large non stealthy drone that can be tracked on internet flight radars and a stealthy cruise missile? I’d say so

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >RQ 170 is non stealthy

                Well that's yet another moronic take from you. I'm going to pin that up next to "harpoon isn't a cruise missile".

                But yeah, you go on thinking that the US who denied it's existence and edited satellite photos to obscure it in Afghanistan allowed it to be tracked on flight radar. I love this regular reminders that you're a metal midget radar kiddie.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >While the USAF has released few details on the UAV's design or capabilities, defense analysts believe that it is a stealth aircraft fitted with aerial reconnaissance equipment
                >believe
                kek you keep losing.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I bet you think B21 isn't stealthy because the US aren't telling us about all of it's details.

                Of course we all know B2 wasn't stealthy which is why it was kept secret for so long.

                Staggering levels of moronation you're showing and you're so humiliated you're falling back on the "i win, you lose" fallacy.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I do win and you do lose. The point of the thread is which is better JASSM or storm shadow. JASSM is the consensus and you’re bringing up drones isn’t relevant to the conversation. Perhaps you can drop a source confirming the RAM coating on stormshadow

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You’re the one that’s visibly upset that the US designed and produced a better cruise missile than the British

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not even a British missile, it's French, you can't even troll the right country lmao

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Storm Shadow is an Anglo-French low-observable, long-range, air-launched cruise missile developed since 1994 by Matra and British Aerospace
                wrecked again. Please keep commenting

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Google APACHE, it's literally a French missile with a British warhead.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                We’re talking about SCALP. It’s a British design
                > Storm Shadow is an Anglo-French low-observable, long-range, air-launched cruise missile developed since 1994 by Matra and British Aerospace
                Regarding the Apache
                > The SCALP EG missile is based on it, notably featuring similar aerodynamics and stealth. However, the latter has a different propulsion system and carries a single high-penetration warhead instead of the Apache's cluster submunitions.
                >latter has different propulsion and warhead
                >latter does not have RAM

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >SCALP EG missile is based on it

                You just played yourself

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >similar stealth to the Apache
                SCALPers keep digging themselves a deeper hole.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The terrain masking makes sense now. If it’s similar stealth wise to the Apache than it’s far far outclassed by the JASSM. But we already knew that

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                > The missile is designed to fly low-level terrain following flight path, which enables effective bypassing of most enemy defenses. The advantages of its low observable properties ensure its survivability during the missile ingress to the target. The missile is also prepared to engage enemy jammers.

                > One of the unique features of the current model of JASSM is its capability to send back a sequence of pre-strike images of the target, just before impact.

                frogs BTFO.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >thread turns in favor of American design
                >brits immediately distance themselves from SCALP
                this is pretty funny

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'd forgotten about this, it was hilarious at the time.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wait, can the Stormshadow really not receive fresh targeting information mid-flight? What a headache for mission planners

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brimstone can be hacked, spike can’t

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    We just had this stupid thread like 2 weeks ago. And yes, JASSM is better in all metrics.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I always win against this moron, I own him. Brits haunt him every night because of humiliations like this.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brand new Javelins from the factory, still the same non refrigerated box that can be stored at up to 71C. I'm twisting the knife and he's squirming.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/KbCUn69.png

      Totally refrigerated bro, they do it at the ASP, trust me.

      How come he can't prove the javelin box isnt refrigerated?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The cargo aircraft only stickers always gave me a chuckle.

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Totally refrigerated bro, they do it at the ASP, trust me.

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    An f-35, without refueling mid air, can strike a target 1900km away using JASSM-ER. Storm shadow can’t do that

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder to filter the word warriortard to avoid the sperg

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Javelin isn't stored in a refrigerated box, it isn't kept in climate controlled conditions when being stored.

    Just remember, you said "Javelin ATGMs get stored in refrigerated boxes too". That's hilarious to me.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is storm shadow of JASSM the better missile

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    bunch of butthurt americans itt, kek

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You misunderstand. The American system came out on top during the thread. The non Americans are copeing about javelin or something

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        shame fewer countries adopted it

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not really. The US and some key Allies in Europe and especially Australia need those production lines for themselves. Let’s discuss challenger, warrior, and starstreak export numbers since that’s a relevant factor

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe because it's like 20 years newer and countries are still looking to adopt it?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Try 6 years. Storm Shadow was used in 2003 before it was even officially accepted into service, JASSM entered service in 2009.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              > 500 SCALP missiles ordered for the French Air Force in 1998.
              > 200 ordered for the Aeronautica Militare in 1999
              > Unknown number ordered for the United Arab Emirates Air Force in 1997
              noooooo don’t point out that it’s an older system with only 3 sales post 2010!!

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                One entered service in 2003 the other entered service in 2009. That 6 years, not 20 years.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Only about 2000 storm shadow of ALL types (SCALP/Black Shaheen/etc) have been produced.

          More than 4000 JASSMs have been produced, with production going up to 500-1000 per year soon, so yea im gonna say JASSM is FAR more successful.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Russia built more t-72's for itself than america has built Abrams so it's better.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Britain built less of a worse cruise missile so its better

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Why are you moronic?

              We can show on paper even the baseline JASSM is better than SCALP, let alone JASSM-ER/XR. They are producing a LOT more of them, they can be fired from more platforms, and are getting the benefits of production scale and US logistics.

              I don't see how in any reality you can argue SCALP is better and expect to be taken seriously.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                But the export numbers. Whatever you do don’t look up how many countries bought stingers and compare to how many bought starstreak.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't see how in any reality you can argue SCALP is better and expect to be taken seriously.

                Combat record doesn't lie. JASSM just isn't very good.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                JASSM had more of an effect on its 2 uses than scalp did in its 6. Another JASSM win

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Scalp has only been used 6 times

                The desperation is hilarious

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're the one desperately claiming just because SCALP is worse in every aspect in paper doesn't mean it's ACTUALLY worse.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >combat record
                >export success

                Yeah, Scalp wins.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Being used more doesn't give it a better combat record, by the Italian reports they said it only has a 97% success rate.

                > In December 2011, Italian defence officials noted that Italian Tornado IDS aircraft had fired between 20 and 30 Storm Shadows during the Libyan Campaign. This was the first time that Italian aircraft had fired the missile in live combat, and it was reported the missile had a 97 per cent success rate.

                Now I'm sure you'll invent some reason why Italy is doing something wrong to ruin the record of SCALP.

                Also, the US is still getting export customers for JASSM and deliveries will outpace SCALP within 3-5 years and probably double SCALPs total export volume within that time.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                So they fired 30 and one didn't work? a literal nothing burger.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Weird, I haven't heard of the US reporting JASSM failures in combat...

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The nation that used the scalp reported failures in combat. That hasn’t happened with JASSM. That’s why JASSM has a much better combat record.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                There haven't even been 30 JASSM fired in combat lol

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Just wait until you see the combat record of the tomahawk. Mogs the SCALP so hard

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It does, i love Tomahawk, shame JASSM can't fly at low altitude like Tomahawk and SCALP.

                t. scalp enjoyer.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Shame scalp can’t fly at efficient altitudes while mainting stealth.

                t.JASSM chad

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why is 1,600ft more efficient than 100ft when air density doesn't change in a meaningful way until much higher up? probably around 5000ft and up depending on air temperature and weather.

                Also, why do you think SCALP can't fly higher?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                > Why is 1,600ft more efficient than 100ft when air density doesn't change in a meaningful way until much higher up?
                How’s not having to constantly adjust altitude to account for changes in geography
                > Also, why do you think SCALP can't fly higher?
                Who said it can’t? It doesn’t because it lacks proper RAM so it needs to mask its signature behind terrain. Try to keep up

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >How’s not having to constantly adjust altitude to account for changes in geography

                You think if you fly at 1,600ft AGL you're not adjusting for terrain? Do you believe the world is totally flat by any chance?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                JASSM can adjust for terrain now. Which is it moron

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >shame JASSM can't fly at low altitude
                It can, directly from the USAF mouth

                > The missile is designed to fly low-level terrain following flight path, which enables effective bypassing of most enemy defenses. The advantages of its low observable properties ensure its survivability during the missile ingress to the target. The missile is also prepared to engage enemy jammers.

                > One of the unique features of the current model of JASSM is its capability to send back a sequence of pre-strike images of the target, just before impact.

                frogs BTFO.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Obviously it can but it’s most efficient to fly higher. Let’s hope that stealth works out

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                "low" altitude is not terrain hugging. Janes say it cruises at 1,600ft, terrain hugging is like 100ft. One missile you can detect at 60 miles on flat terrain, the other at like 17 miles.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Except you’re pulling numbers out of your ass. You don’t know if a radar can detect JASSM from 4 miles out let alone 60

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I know where the radar horizon is though.

                JASSM can adjust for terrain now. Which is it moron

                >adjusting for altitude from internal stored memory and your GPS/INS position is exactly the same as flying nap of the earth.

                it's really embarrassing how little you know about the world around you.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                JASSM can take pictures of the target moments before impact but it can't detect if there is a tree or hill coming up?

                Lmao

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                correct, JASSM has no TERCOM or DSMAC system, they require downward facing sensors.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                So all the official USAF generals talking about terrain following and low altitude terminal phase was all just... Bullshit?

                Come on, the US had this figured out in the '80s and' 90s, if you honestly think JASSM can't do the SAME or even lower altitude than SCALP I've got a bridge in London to sell.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >So all the official USAF generals talking about terrain following and low altitude terminal phase was all just... Bullshit?

                No, you just haven't figured out that "low altitude" doesn't mean terrain hugging and that a terminal dive on target isn't the same as a cruise approach.

                >if you honestly think JASSM can't do the SAME or even lower altitude than SCALP

                With what sensor?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                What sensor does scalp use?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                A forward looking IR sensor and a downward facing radar altimeter. They even put handy lines on it to help simple people like you.

                What sensor does JASSM use?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not sure exactly what, but the front-facing sensors also face downwards.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s a tercom sensor right there. Good job anon

                JASSM dones't have TERCOM or DSMAC, which is why it can only cruise at 1,600ft.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >which is why it can only cruise at 1,600ft.

                >That's not how it works.
                That is literally how it works.
                [...]

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes it does a picture was just posted and US government officials confirmed it. You’re the only one claiming it can only fly at 1600 ft

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                kek someone just posted a video of it cruising a few meters above sea level. That must really hurt

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why lie?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'd really love to know what makes you lie so much about JASSM being worse than SCALP.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Even if it doesn't have super advanced terrain hugging, claiming it can ONLY fly at 1600 feet+ is so god damn moronic it doesn't even warrant a serious response.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s a tercom sensor right there. Good job anon

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is delusional, just because JASSM is meant to be dropped from high altitude to increase it's range doesn't mean it CAN'T do terrain hugging. The US basically invented the shit with tomahawks, and yes, JASSM can do it too, but it'll wait until it makes sense to do so, staying up at 15-20k feet for efficiency.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                homie you are arguing with a troll. He purposefully argues matchups US will win on purpose just so he can make fun of bongs, who literally are within the exact same MIC sphere and thus complement each others capabilities with different weapons, filling in the gaps between each other.
                This is despite the fact that Chinese missiles mog basically anything America has and he is cope and seething all day.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. It’s a low end cruise missile used in desert wars not something akin to a JASSM or tomahawk

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Availability of this world-beating system represents a significant leap forward in technology and capability for the RAF. The state of the art navigation system, providing phenomenal precision, together with the specialised bunker-busting BROACH warhead has no known equivalent in the world today.

                The UK was using Tomahawk when it said this.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yea modern tomahawks are much better than scalp. They can even hit ships. Plus tomahawks have been used way more in combat automatically making them better

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                How many SCALPs have been fired?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The non Americans are copeing
        >copeing

        ESL

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is this the only way you can get humans to converse with you? Find a hobby, and get some sun. Then, maybe you could stop making these shit thread to get your human interaction from.

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The combat record of Jassm is pretty shit, only two uses. Storm Shadow/ Scalp have been used far more.

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    2009-2003=20
    Harpoon isn't a cruise missile
    Javelin is stored in refrigerated boxes
    RQ-170 isn't stealthy and you can follow it on flightradar.com

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I can't actually prove you wrong so I'm going to grab small tidbits out of context that I can say are wrong to "prove" everything you say is wrong.

      Wow anon, you figured out how to "win" every argument ever.

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    We haven't really talked about how SCALP is much better at destroying deep, hardened targets. JASSM isnt even a tandem warhead.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      US ditched the BROACH for a better performing warhead

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        How does it perform better when it has no EFP and only relies on a delayed fuse?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It performs better the same way the scalp performs better despite not having RAM, no data link, and a pitifully short range

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Inb4"Muh America doesn't need it, its warheads are superior at deep penetration, just because, uh just because ok?"

      US ditched the BROACH for a better performing warhead

      Lmao too late

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why would the US be unable to use a warhead they already use?

        AGM-154 uses the BROACH warhead, and it was put up to use in the AGM-86D but a different warhead was selected (and the missile has since been retired).

        If the US wanted to use the BROACH warhead they'd use it.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Anon no, come on now, BROACH would require an entire redesign of JASSM to work
          Cope

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao how would it need to be redesigned to fit a physically smaller and lighter weight warhead?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Why would the US be unable to use a warhead they already use?

          Because Raytheon bought the licence not Lockheed.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yea Lockheed and Raytheon have NEVER been subcontractors on the same weapon system before.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              They submitted competing designs for the US Navy - JSOW-ER and JASSM, so why would they give their opponent help?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                And if the DoD said hey we want BROACH on JASSM do you think Raytheon and lockheed are going to say no? Come the frick on. If the US wanted it, it would happen.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                If the US DoD paid for the R&D, paid to build and field it they own the rights to the IP, not Raytheon or LM. If they want LM to use the BROACH warhead they would give them the data, and blueprints to build it.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If the US DoD paid for the R&D, paid to build and field it they own the rights to the IP, not Raytheon or LM.

                That's not how it works.

                >If they want LM to use the BROACH warhead they would give them the data, and blueprints to build it.

                It's an MBDA product.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It is how it works, the US produces hundreds of BROACH warheads for JSOW. Do you think we place an order with MBDA? Lmao

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you think we place an order with MBDA? Lmao

                No, Raytheon do as they need the part to make their weapon.

                As an amendment it might be BAE rather than MBDA, it's unclear if that part was merged into MBDA. Either way it's still British.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Just like all UK nuclear reactors are actually american since the only reason you got submarine reactors is because the US gifted you theirs and then RR modifies a few parts and announces from the rafters that they designed a brand new 100% UK reactor.

                > PWR3 was a new system "based on a US design but using UK reactor technology". The Royal Institution of Naval Architects reported that it was likely that the UK was given access to the US Navy S9G reactor design used in their Virginia-class submarines.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                non-sequitur, clear sign you're getting rattled

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >which is why it can only cruise at 1,600ft.
                [...]

                Warhead seems fine. Can I see the SCALP sled tests?

                Why do you ignore?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ignore what? a pallet launch and bizzare request for something that's unimportant?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sea skimming is less than 1600ft, and the warhead penetrates reinforced concrete just fine. What say you my lonely shill nonfren?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not sea skimming because it lacks that ability, we have literally no idea what altitude it's cruising at it could be 1, 3, 5, 7, 10k feet and you'd literally have no idea from that high altitude vantage point.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not sea skimming because it lacks that ability
                Yet, it is on video doing it. WHAT IS THIS MAGIC!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                What altitude is it flying at? exactly.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lower than 1600ft. Much lower.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Also the Navy WAS developing a powered JSOW-ER which could've used the BROACH warhead, but instead in the FY22 budget they decided to develop a naval version of the airforce JASSM-ER instead.

                Clearly, BROACH isn't all that important.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Clearly glide bombs with a motor attached aren't very good

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That's not how it works.
                That is literally how it works.

                I know where the radar horizon is though.

                [...]
                >adjusting for altitude from internal stored memory and your GPS/INS position is exactly the same as flying nap of the earth.

                it's really embarrassing how little you know about the world around you.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Warhead seems fine. Can I see the SCALP sled tests?

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn’t know this would be such a popular subject. Fresh thread

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  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thread result: decisive JASSM-ER victory

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The missile's mid-course guidance uses the inertial navigation system/ Global Positioning System (GPS) unit developed for the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) and Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW) guided bombs, with either a high-level or low-level (down to about 1,600 ft) cruise altitude.

    >https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/usaf-launches-jassm-new-variant-missile

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cruise altitude for a missle that travels hundreds of miles is NOT terminal altitude when approaching enemy air defense radars.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lower than 1600ft. Much lower.

        SCALP flies at like 150-300 meters until terminal phase. When it goes down to 50 meters That's 500-1000 feet until the final phase.

        And yet JASSM has no TERCOM sensor and can't fly flower than 1,600ft until the final dive to the ground.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          How do you know?

          Oh wait you don't.

          For all you know JASSM does have TERCOM sensors and it's just classified.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            lmao this is cope

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah because insisting like a fricking moron that it CAN'T do terrain following totally isn't delusional cope.

              We have several sources, from the manufacturer to the air force, that tell us it can do low-level terrain following.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't have a single source that says it can do terrain following. I have provided a source that explicity says it cruises down to 1,600ft.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You’ve been proven wrong by a video posted showing JASSM sea skimming

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >can't fly flower than 1,600ft until the final dive to the ground.

          >That's not how it works.
          That is literally how it works.
          [...]

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      SCALP flies at like 150-300 meters until terminal phase. When it goes down to 50 meters That's 500-1000 feet until the final phase.

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