The most popular mud tests on YouTube disproved this fucking retarded Nam lore years ago. AR passes with flying colors while AK almost completely fails
AK is the fedora of the civilian rifle world. Every time I’ve met an “AK guy” it’s always some weird fuck with long greasy hair and some video game shirt or something similar.
Why would you let your rifle get that dirty? Why would you let random dirt and shit get into the chamber? You dont put random liquids into a gas tank. >Oh no dude my gun with high tolerances cant fit random dirt and rocks into it.
There's a reason why firearms are well designed machines.
This video is fucking stupid, not even factory machines can handle random shit getting into it.
https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/malfunctions-feed-extract-eject-how-to-handle-them/ >Dude what do you mean my machine cant handle rocks and dirt and rust throwing off the tolerances!
Holy fuck I hate this site some times.
The guns are manufactured in a precise way so that the cartridge can enter the chamber, putting shit into is going to cause a jam, regardless what kinda gun.
nta, but that was the conclusion of the test
the AR holds up to mud better bc it prevents it from getting into the action, while the clearances on the AK are loose enough that mud can get in, even with the safety on/ dust cover closed
and combat rifles should have the possibility of getting dirty in mind when they're being designed
A failure to feed, due to a mechanical problem, is caused when something prevents a cartridge from properly feeding into the firing chamber. One cause is when the magazine isn’t properly seated in the firearm. Another possibility to be examined is whether there is a buildup of dirt and fouling causing rounds to not feed properly. Damaged or out of spec parts also needs to be investigated. >DUDE WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY GUN CANT ALLOW DIRT INTO THE CHAMBER.
Because metal doesnt like it when you try to force a metal cylinder into a chamber and dirt and rocks are taking up space.
Like holy fucking fuck dude, go work at a factory for a few years, you'll understand why.
YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO THROW GLOBS OF FUCKING DIRT INTO YOUR CHAMBER.
https://www.rjmanufacturing.com/how-are-gun-parts-manufactured/
No matter how much you wanna "slam er forward" or no matter how much you wanna force a bullet into the chamber you will only damage your barrel and the bolt, guns are very precise when machined at the factory.
Guns have to hold up against immense pressure and power. However, the casting process can leave gun parts too weak to stand against this level of wear and tear. They can leave metal parts with microscopic pores and air bubbles that can threaten the gun’s integrity.
Injection molding, while cost-effective, is less accurate. And for high-end products, injection-molded pieces can’t hold up to the required standards.
https://i.imgur.com/TT6EZK5.jpg
https://www.usacarry.com/handgun-malfunctions-stoppages/
Well there is something basic you can do that goes a long way toward preventing them. Regularly CLEAN YOUR HANDGUN. If the shooter happens to experience a failure of any kind, it is important to first ensure that the handgun is clean. A dirty gun is the cause of a high percentage of mechanical failures and stoppages. Some estimate that poor maintenance and cleaning of guns account for approximately 80% to 90% of all mechanical function problems. This is something easily in your control and you should always use thorough and proper methods when cleaning your handguns. Without a doubt, a regular, frequent, and meticulous cleaning routine is of paramount importance for handgun accuracy and reliability. Don’t get lazy about this. The military most certainly instilled that into my handgun maintenance routine. Bottom Line: Regularly Keep your Handgun Clean, Maintained, and Lubricated to Help Prevent Malfunctions and Stoppages.
She cute (swarthy women with colored eyes does happen to be possible in reality)
https://www.rjmanufacturing.com/how-are-gun-parts-manufactured/
No matter how much you wanna "slam er forward" or no matter how much you wanna force a bullet into the chamber you will only damage your barrel and the bolt, guns are very precise when machined at the factory.
Guns have to hold up against immense pressure and power. However, the casting process can leave gun parts too weak to stand against this level of wear and tear. They can leave metal parts with microscopic pores and air bubbles that can threaten the gun’s integrity.
Injection molding, while cost-effective, is less accurate. And for high-end products, injection-molded pieces can’t hold up to the required standards.
https://www.usacarry.com/handgun-malfunctions-stoppages/
Well there is something basic you can do that goes a long way toward preventing them. Regularly CLEAN YOUR HANDGUN. If the shooter happens to experience a failure of any kind, it is important to first ensure that the handgun is clean. A dirty gun is the cause of a high percentage of mechanical failures and stoppages. Some estimate that poor maintenance and cleaning of guns account for approximately 80% to 90% of all mechanical function problems. This is something easily in your control and you should always use thorough and proper methods when cleaning your handguns. Without a doubt, a regular, frequent, and meticulous cleaning routine is of paramount importance for handgun accuracy and reliability. Don’t get lazy about this. The military most certainly instilled that into my handgun maintenance routine. Bottom Line: Regularly Keep your Handgun Clean, Maintained, and Lubricated to Help Prevent Malfunctions and Stoppages.
AK is better because it’s more reliable and easy as piss to find ammo
But AK is cheap and reliable.
https://i.imgur.com/p2NfXi1.jpg
For winning a war it seems an AK is the better choice. Just from statistics, even if the guys always seem to miss.
noguns who get their knowledge from vidya and memes
AK is the fedora of the civilian rifle world. Every time I’ve met an “AK guy” it’s always some weird fuck with long greasy hair and some video game shirt or something similar.
this. they're so smug about "muh soul, muh power, muh wars, muh reliability" and they have to rub in everyone's face how different they are. except the price of 7.62. they don't want that to be different and throw a massive bitch fit when it goes up a couple cents.
The AUG has a few drawbacks. First, it's quite expensive, making it not very cost-effective for the average shooter. Second, the design is proprietary, which means you can only use certain parts and accessories, limiting customization options. Third, the trigger is often criticized for being heavier and not as crisp as some other rifles. Finally, the bullpup setup can take a little getting used to, and the weight balance of the rifle can feel odd at first. Overall, the AUG is a good rifle, but it's certainly not for everyone.
>more reliable
in certain niche situations. The AR is more reliable in others >easy as piss to find ammo
back in the 2010s and earlier, this would've been true. Now, not only is .223/5.56 easier to find, it's generally cheaper as well.
>gorilla retard that can't into reasonable maintenance schedule >in a cold climate
There is absolutely no contest and the AR is cheaper. Small arms are intrinsically disposable and the AK economy of scale's bottom will progressively fall out until the end the century as old former Warsaw Pact countries dump it for good.
>more reliable
In bumfuck cold areas, possibly.
>piss easy to find ammo
Plinking fools that never trained or competed bankrolled the continued operation of Soviet manufacturing to get them to the current year shitting out war material to be shot at "the collective west" in Ukraine. You're not poor, you're penurious and feeding your enemy at the same time.
The AR is lighter, more mechanically accurate, more modular and as such customizable, has better ergonomics, a better caliber in most situations (5.45 is retarded and Kalashnikov himself said as much) and not substantially more prone to jamming when maintained.
The AK has looser tolerances and will function better without maintenance and is harder to damage by being retarded.
The AR as it has developed is a gun for countries that have professional militaries.
The AK as it was developed is a gun for countries that rely on conscripts.
In civilian hands, the AR is clearly superior in the USA where it's cheap and there's a massive aftermarket. In European countries the AK is probably better because it's cheaper.
It's really telling that modernization of the AK is mostly achieved by making it more like an AR though, right down to slapping a fake buffer tube on it to accept AR style adjustable stocks. The only actually terrible things about AKs are significantly shittier optics mounting options, the safety and lack of LRBHO. I'd say the charging handle is better, but the AR negates that factor with BHO so you generally won't need to charge the rifle in combat.
I own a couple of each so I am neutral and objective. If I could only take one gun on the run it would 100% be my 14.5'' AR-15. Also the idea that it's finicky or picky is fucking retarded, lube the bolt carrier and you'll be fine.
>significantly shittier optics mounting options, the safety and lack of LRBHO.
The amount of aftermarket material required to bring the versatility of an AR to bear on an AK so it's not a 1940s technology PDW makes it definitively not-cheaper for the end user.
Because most AK manufacturers were state sponsored arsenals before going private?
You don’t get cheap anything if you’re sourcing material, forging every other part, have a full production line of workers, and still sell and even export for cheap unless you haven’t dumped a shitload of front money from your own pockets and live in a low wage paying nation.
In the PPS series tradition, the AK can also be bubba'd into being in tiny sweatshops widely distributed while being invaded by Germans, I suppose.
AK is the fedora of the civilian rifle world. Every time I’ve met an “AK guy” it’s always some weird fuck with long greasy hair and some video game shirt or something similar.
>not WWSD
It's a fudd magnet platform, all obsolete ones are.
https://i.imgur.com/PZduM5e.jpg
Even though this is a faggy bait thread I'll reply.
And unlike the vast majority of people in this thread who neither own nor probably have shot either, I own and shoot both regularly. Pic is ak, don't feel like getting the ar out.
Mine's in 7.62. You get a variety of caliber choice with the AK if you really give a shit. in 99% of scenarios, 7.62/5.45/5.56 won't make a damn bit of difference despite what people tell you. If you can put lead on target you're gonna kill the dude.
The main draw of an AK to me is how sturdy it is. I've literally beat this thing with a hammer and stress tested it to hell. Put 2k rounds through it with 0 cleaning or maintenance, no issues. Shoot it regularly in 100+ F heat, hundreds of rounds at a time, dropped it a million times, etc. No issues. >you just made you AK look like an AR!!11!!
Yeah its 2023 and if you're not modernizing your guns you're a fucking retard. Stock AKs are heavy as shit and have dogshit ergo.
The AR on the other hand is much lighter and much easier to customize without having to bludgeon the gun to get the pieces where you want to go. Vast majority of rifle parts are made around picatinny rails and designed to fit on an AR, which makes kitting it out easier. It also is slightly less reliable in my own experience. Had one or two malfunctions. Most honest stress tests on youtube are pretty accurate; both AR and AK can get tossed around, but the AK will survive slightly more torture. Yeah if you dump mud in the mag of either they won't work, what a surprise.
If SHTF or whatever and I had to choose one, I'd go with AR purely because finding 5.56 would be easier than finding 7.62. Especially with Bidens ammo import ban.
>because finding 5.56 would be easier than finding 7.62
A reasonable anon. 7.62 Soviet will be easy to find if say, there was a solar flare (or EMP) that rendered the Lower 48 open to a first strike attempt and follow up occupation-- which is why you don't want ready made factories producing the shit on your territory.
AR is superior if you're fielding a somewhat professional fighting force. If you're fielding a bunch of conscripts or severely inbred religious fanatics (see 98% of the Islamic world), the AK comes out on top.
If maintained, an AR outperforms an AK in every metric. The real question is PK or MAG/240 since machine guns are what really win firefights.
ARs are just as cheap and reliable now while being much more accurate and with superior ergonomics. Hell, if the Ordnance Department hadn't played fuck-fuck games with the ammo and barrels of the OG M16, there would be no question about the reliability of ARs.
AK was cheap because soviets made it so. They invested heavily in several of their own factories and forced their puppet governments like Poland, Bulgaria and Romania to invest in the design too. Those factories continue to produce rifles but they are no longer puppet governments and they are no longer communist. Accordingly, now they cost real people money. That price has been steadily going up every year, year after year. Now they cost more than an AR-15 does and unless you intend to reinstate communism you'll never see a factory new AK be cheaper than an AR-15 again in your lifetime.
It's true, the AK was originally designed as a cheap and easily-produced weapon for the Soviet Union. The cost of the AK has increased significantly since the fall of the Soviet Union, and it is now more expensive than its rival, the AR-15. This reflects the overall trend in the military weapons market, which has seen a shift away from mass production and towards customization and precision. The AR-15 represents the future of military weapons, while the AK represents the past. In a head-to-head comparison, the AR-15 is the clear winner with its accuracy, versatility, and adaptability.
Because most AK manufacturers were state sponsored arsenals before going private?
You don’t get cheap anything if you’re sourcing material, forging every other part, have a full production line of workers, and still sell and even export for cheap unless you haven’t dumped a shitload of front money from your own pockets and live in a low wage paying nation.
The AR is lighter, more mechanically accurate, more modular and as such customizable, has better ergonomics, a better caliber in most situations (5.45 is retarded and Kalashnikov himself said as much) and not substantially more prone to jamming when maintained.
The AK has looser tolerances and will function better without maintenance and is harder to damage by being retarded.
The AR as it has developed is a gun for countries that have professional militaries.
The AK as it was developed is a gun for countries that rely on conscripts.
In civilian hands, the AR is clearly superior in the USA where it's cheap and there's a massive aftermarket. In European countries the AK is probably better because it's cheaper.
It's really telling that modernization of the AK is mostly achieved by making it more like an AR though, right down to slapping a fake buffer tube on it to accept AR style adjustable stocks. The only actually terrible things about AKs are significantly shittier optics mounting options, the safety and lack of LRBHO. I'd say the charging handle is better, but the AR negates that factor with BHO so you generally won't need to charge the rifle in combat.
I own a couple of each so I am neutral and objective. If I could only take one gun on the run it would 100% be my 14.5'' AR-15. Also the idea that it's finicky or picky is fucking retarded, lube the bolt carrier and you'll be fine.
You're right, the AK doesn't even come close. The AR-15 is the superior weapon by far because of its accuracy, flexibility, and ability to be customized for specific purposes. It's a weapon of freedom, while the AK is a weapon of oppression. The AR-15 is a symbol of liberty, while the AK is a symbol of tyranny. There's really no competition between the two. No one should ever choose an AK over an AR-15 given the choice.
I agree, optics are essential for modern warfare and the AR-15 is the only platform that allows for easy and accurate optics mounting. The AK is an outdated and flawed design that is only used by oppressive regimes with poorly trained soldiers. It's no surprise that the AK has been soundly defeated in almost every conflict since the invention of the AR-15.
>be US Army >adopt the M16 >do everything in your power to sabotage it so you can go back to the Fag14 >congress finds out and rips you a new one >get your shit together and fix your fuck ups >stomp on NVA and Viet Cong >force them to sign a piece treaty under your own terms >leave >2 years later, they break the peace treaty and invade South Vietnam >public support for the war nonexistent >50 years later, retards on the internet pretend you got beaten
later >be Saddam >3rd/4th army of the world, depending on who you ask >invade Kuwait >US destroys you so thoroughly that people forget Desert Storm ever took place
later >be Al garden gnome-a/Talifags >spend 20 years getting raped in combat >hide in caves and nearby US "ally" nation Pakistan >wait until US gets bored of skull fucking you and fucking your women before leaving >come back >declare victory
This is a thread that's been posted on this board literally thousands of times over the years, and somehow it is still more interesting than every single Ukraine thread
Don't even give a sniff of a shit who wins or loses at this point. I only want this board to no longer be suffocated by boring ass 4chan tier Ukraine Russia threads. Every time I read "vatnik" or "holhol" I fucking cringe.
A high powered AR with modern optics is not cheap, but human life is precious and priceless.
A high powered rifle is worth the cost when such marksmen are known to achieve triple digit kill counts, instill deep psychological fear in the enemy, and most importantly, survive engagements in order to fight another day, see promotion, or go home.
nta, but you can fit 6.5 Grendel and probably 6mm ARC into 7.62x39mm mags. So if you could rebarrel the AK to one of those, figure out an optics mounting solution that doesn't suck, and then accurize the rifle without making it retarded heavy, you'd have a nice DMR setup
Or you could just go with a Stoner-derived design like the rest of the First World
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ARs and AR clones
Well in the sense that they are both assault rifles chambered in an intermediate cartridge assuming it's an AK74 or later model.
If I can I'd still try to get my hands on an AR in 5.56. To equal parts for the better round, reliability and the optics mounting. Rails on an AK dustcover is just disgusting.
AK is the fedora of the civilian rifle world. Every time I’ve met an “AK guy” it’s always some weird fuck with long greasy hair and some video game shirt or something similar.
Its sad but true. Ive met less autistic/fedora tipping slavaboos when I did airsoft than at a gunrange. Hell i have to work with a slavaboo nazbol retard and a authoritarian pol chud from a well off family both talk shit nobstop about ar15. Unfortunately theres not much market in. 1k range thats a good deal as an alternative to ak or ar15 in the civilian market these days.
>Hell i have to work with a slavaboo nazbol retard and a authoritarian pol chud
No you dont work with that guy, that guy doesnt exist, you make up shit in your head.
if the AR isn't better, why did Russia try and fail to turn the AK into an AR with the AK-12?
In reality, the AK does hold up to frost and sand better, while the AR holds up to mud better while being more ergonomic for people who aren't wrong handed
Even though this is a faggy bait thread I'll reply.
And unlike the vast majority of people in this thread who neither own nor probably have shot either, I own and shoot both regularly. Pic is ak, don't feel like getting the ar out.
Mine's in 7.62. You get a variety of caliber choice with the AK if you really give a shit. in 99% of scenarios, 7.62/5.45/5.56 won't make a damn bit of difference despite what people tell you. If you can put lead on target you're gonna kill the dude.
The main draw of an AK to me is how sturdy it is. I've literally beat this thing with a hammer and stress tested it to hell. Put 2k rounds through it with 0 cleaning or maintenance, no issues. Shoot it regularly in 100+ F heat, hundreds of rounds at a time, dropped it a million times, etc. No issues. >you just made you AK look like an AR!!11!!
Yeah its 2023 and if you're not modernizing your guns you're a fucking retard. Stock AKs are heavy as shit and have dogshit ergo.
The AR on the other hand is much lighter and much easier to customize without having to bludgeon the gun to get the pieces where you want to go. Vast majority of rifle parts are made around picatinny rails and designed to fit on an AR, which makes kitting it out easier. It also is slightly less reliable in my own experience. Had one or two malfunctions. Most honest stress tests on youtube are pretty accurate; both AR and AK can get tossed around, but the AK will survive slightly more torture. Yeah if you dump mud in the mag of either they won't work, what a surprise.
If SHTF or whatever and I had to choose one, I'd go with AR purely because finding 5.56 would be easier than finding 7.62. Especially with Bidens ammo import ban.
>slightly less reliable in my own experience
details plx
https://i.imgur.com/9RfFEPV.jpg
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this. they're so smug about "muh soul, muh power, muh wars, muh reliability" and they have to rub in everyone's face how different they are. except the price of 7.62. they don't want that to be different and throw a massive bitch fit when it goes up a couple cents.
>slightly less reliable in my own experience >details plx
I got it somewhat dirty and dusty, no major mud or anything just dirt and shit. Had a failure to feed, cleared it twice and no issues after.
Then had a double feed a long while later. Still using the same mag later and no issues, not sure what caused it.
If you're not an autistic retard you'll understand that no machine is built perfectly and sometimes the most minute shit will cause them to have problems.
AK functions when dirty according to vids ive seen. My AR jams with a grain of sand.
So which do you think is better in your opinion?
AK that fires 556 NATO is best.
AK 101 yes an interesting design
true
Depends on how each rifle is setup.
>in your opinion?
opinions are like asshole, so are you asking which one he prefers in his asshole
inrange tv mud test
the man may be a pedophile but some of his old videos weren't bad
damn ur ar sucks
>AK or AR
HK
The most popular mud tests on YouTube disproved this fucking retarded Nam lore years ago. AR passes with flying colors while AK almost completely fails
Stop buying cheap AR-15's
Slavware fanatics never learn
Why would you let your rifle get that dirty? Why would you let random dirt and shit get into the chamber? You dont put random liquids into a gas tank.
>Oh no dude my gun with high tolerances cant fit random dirt and rocks into it.
There's a reason why firearms are well designed machines.
This video is fucking stupid, not even factory machines can handle random shit getting into it.
https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/malfunctions-feed-extract-eject-how-to-handle-them/
>Dude what do you mean my machine cant handle rocks and dirt and rust throwing off the tolerances!
Holy fuck I hate this site some times.
The guns are manufactured in a precise way so that the cartridge can enter the chamber, putting shit into is going to cause a jam, regardless what kinda gun.
nta, but that was the conclusion of the test
the AR holds up to mud better bc it prevents it from getting into the action, while the clearances on the AK are loose enough that mud can get in, even with the safety on/ dust cover closed
and combat rifles should have the possibility of getting dirty in mind when they're being designed
A failure to feed, due to a mechanical problem, is caused when something prevents a cartridge from properly feeding into the firing chamber. One cause is when the magazine isn’t properly seated in the firearm. Another possibility to be examined is whether there is a buildup of dirt and fouling causing rounds to not feed properly. Damaged or out of spec parts also needs to be investigated.
>DUDE WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY GUN CANT ALLOW DIRT INTO THE CHAMBER.
Because metal doesnt like it when you try to force a metal cylinder into a chamber and dirt and rocks are taking up space.
Like holy fucking fuck dude, go work at a factory for a few years, you'll understand why.
YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO THROW GLOBS OF FUCKING DIRT INTO YOUR CHAMBER.
She cute (swarthy women with colored eyes does happen to be possible in reality)
https://www.rjmanufacturing.com/how-are-gun-parts-manufactured/
No matter how much you wanna "slam er forward" or no matter how much you wanna force a bullet into the chamber you will only damage your barrel and the bolt, guns are very precise when machined at the factory.
Guns have to hold up against immense pressure and power. However, the casting process can leave gun parts too weak to stand against this level of wear and tear. They can leave metal parts with microscopic pores and air bubbles that can threaten the gun’s integrity.
Injection molding, while cost-effective, is less accurate. And for high-end products, injection-molded pieces can’t hold up to the required standards.
https://www.usacarry.com/handgun-malfunctions-stoppages/
Well there is something basic you can do that goes a long way toward preventing them. Regularly CLEAN YOUR HANDGUN. If the shooter happens to experience a failure of any kind, it is important to first ensure that the handgun is clean. A dirty gun is the cause of a high percentage of mechanical failures and stoppages. Some estimate that poor maintenance and cleaning of guns account for approximately 80% to 90% of all mechanical function problems. This is something easily in your control and you should always use thorough and proper methods when cleaning your handguns. Without a doubt, a regular, frequent, and meticulous cleaning routine is of paramount importance for handgun accuracy and reliability. Don’t get lazy about this. The military most certainly instilled that into my handgun maintenance routine. Bottom Line: Regularly Keep your Handgun Clean, Maintained, and Lubricated to Help Prevent Malfunctions and Stoppages.
>My AR jams with a grain of sand.
Say you don't own an ar without saying you don't own an ar
Show your guns
Is said YOUR guns
noguns who get their knowledge from vidya and memes
this. they're so smug about "muh soul, muh power, muh wars, muh reliability" and they have to rub in everyone's face how different they are. except the price of 7.62. they don't want that to be different and throw a massive bitch fit when it goes up a couple cents.
its a bait thread, you dumb bitch
Sorry ARse sisters
AUG
But that thing jams like crazy.
No it doesn’t. I’ve got upwards of 30k rounds through three AUGs and can count the number of jams I’ve had on my fingers.
The AUG has a few drawbacks. First, it's quite expensive, making it not very cost-effective for the average shooter. Second, the design is proprietary, which means you can only use certain parts and accessories, limiting customization options. Third, the trigger is often criticized for being heavier and not as crisp as some other rifles. Finally, the bullpup setup can take a little getting used to, and the weight balance of the rifle can feel odd at first. Overall, the AUG is a good rifle, but it's certainly not for everyone.
A man of proper taste.
AK is better because it’s more reliable and easy as piss to find ammo
But what about the quality?
>more reliable
in certain niche situations. The AR is more reliable in others
>easy as piss to find ammo
back in the 2010s and earlier, this would've been true. Now, not only is .223/5.56 easier to find, it's generally cheaper as well.
>gorilla retard that can't into reasonable maintenance schedule
>in a cold climate
There is absolutely no contest and the AR is cheaper. Small arms are intrinsically disposable and the AK economy of scale's bottom will progressively fall out until the end the century as old former Warsaw Pact countries dump it for good.
>more reliable
In bumfuck cold areas, possibly.
>piss easy to find ammo
Plinking fools that never trained or competed bankrolled the continued operation of Soviet manufacturing to get them to the current year shitting out war material to be shot at "the collective west" in Ukraine. You're not poor, you're penurious and feeding your enemy at the same time.
>significantly shittier optics mounting options, the safety and lack of LRBHO.
The amount of aftermarket material required to bring the versatility of an AR to bear on an AK so it's not a 1940s technology PDW makes it definitively not-cheaper for the end user.
In the PPS series tradition, the AK can also be bubba'd into being in tiny sweatshops widely distributed while being invaded by Germans, I suppose.
>not WWSD
It's a fudd magnet platform, all obsolete ones are.
>because finding 5.56 would be easier than finding 7.62
A reasonable anon. 7.62 Soviet will be easy to find if say, there was a solar flare (or EMP) that rendered the Lower 48 open to a first strike attempt and follow up occupation-- which is why you don't want ready made factories producing the shit on your territory.
AR is superior if you're fielding a somewhat professional fighting force. If you're fielding a bunch of conscripts or severely inbred religious fanatics (see 98% of the Islamic world), the AK comes out on top.
If maintained, an AR outperforms an AK in every metric. The real question is PK or MAG/240 since machine guns are what really win firefights.
But AK is cheap and reliable.
ARs are just as cheap and reliable now while being much more accurate and with superior ergonomics. Hell, if the Ordnance Department hadn't played fuck-fuck games with the ammo and barrels of the OG M16, there would be no question about the reliability of ARs.
Why did they change the barrel of old ARs?
>ARs are just as cheap and reliable
lol. lmao even.
AK was cheap because soviets made it so. They invested heavily in several of their own factories and forced their puppet governments like Poland, Bulgaria and Romania to invest in the design too. Those factories continue to produce rifles but they are no longer puppet governments and they are no longer communist. Accordingly, now they cost real people money. That price has been steadily going up every year, year after year. Now they cost more than an AR-15 does and unless you intend to reinstate communism you'll never see a factory new AK be cheaper than an AR-15 again in your lifetime.
It's true, the AK was originally designed as a cheap and easily-produced weapon for the Soviet Union. The cost of the AK has increased significantly since the fall of the Soviet Union, and it is now more expensive than its rival, the AR-15. This reflects the overall trend in the military weapons market, which has seen a shift away from mass production and towards customization and precision. The AR-15 represents the future of military weapons, while the AK represents the past. In a head-to-head comparison, the AR-15 is the clear winner with its accuracy, versatility, and adaptability.
Please shut the fuck up chatgpt
Because most AK manufacturers were state sponsored arsenals before going private?
You don’t get cheap anything if you’re sourcing material, forging every other part, have a full production line of workers, and still sell and even export for cheap unless you haven’t dumped a shitload of front money from your own pockets and live in a low wage paying nation.
I don't really know any of that gun manufacturing stuff, can you tell me how people make guns in short?
The AR is lighter, more mechanically accurate, more modular and as such customizable, has better ergonomics, a better caliber in most situations (5.45 is retarded and Kalashnikov himself said as much) and not substantially more prone to jamming when maintained.
The AK has looser tolerances and will function better without maintenance and is harder to damage by being retarded.
The AR as it has developed is a gun for countries that have professional militaries.
The AK as it was developed is a gun for countries that rely on conscripts.
In civilian hands, the AR is clearly superior in the USA where it's cheap and there's a massive aftermarket. In European countries the AK is probably better because it's cheaper.
It's really telling that modernization of the AK is mostly achieved by making it more like an AR though, right down to slapping a fake buffer tube on it to accept AR style adjustable stocks. The only actually terrible things about AKs are significantly shittier optics mounting options, the safety and lack of LRBHO. I'd say the charging handle is better, but the AR negates that factor with BHO so you generally won't need to charge the rifle in combat.
I own a couple of each so I am neutral and objective. If I could only take one gun on the run it would 100% be my 14.5'' AR-15. Also the idea that it's finicky or picky is fucking retarded, lube the bolt carrier and you'll be fine.
You're right, the AK doesn't even come close. The AR-15 is the superior weapon by far because of its accuracy, flexibility, and ability to be customized for specific purposes. It's a weapon of freedom, while the AK is a weapon of oppression. The AR-15 is a symbol of liberty, while the AK is a symbol of tyranny. There's really no competition between the two. No one should ever choose an AK over an AR-15 given the choice.
this but unironically
you can't even mount any kind of optic on an AK without some kind of rail accessory
I agree, optics are essential for modern warfare and the AR-15 is the only platform that allows for easy and accurate optics mounting. The AK is an outdated and flawed design that is only used by oppressive regimes with poorly trained soldiers. It's no surprise that the AK has been soundly defeated in almost every conflict since the invention of the AR-15.
>be US Army
>adopt the M16
>do everything in your power to sabotage it so you can go back to the Fag14
>congress finds out and rips you a new one
>get your shit together and fix your fuck ups
>stomp on NVA and Viet Cong
>force them to sign a piece treaty under your own terms
>leave
>2 years later, they break the peace treaty and invade South Vietnam
>public support for the war nonexistent
>50 years later, retards on the internet pretend you got beaten
later
>be Saddam
>3rd/4th army of the world, depending on who you ask
>invade Kuwait
>US destroys you so thoroughly that people forget Desert Storm ever took place
later
>be Al garden gnome-a/Talifags
>spend 20 years getting raped in combat
>hide in caves and nearby US "ally" nation Pakistan
>wait until US gets bored of skull fucking you and fucking your women before leaving
>come back
>declare victory
finally a guy who gets it
Imao
Thats a FAMAS
This is a thread that's been posted on this board literally thousands of times over the years, and somehow it is still more interesting than every single Ukraine thread
Yeah because everybody knows that Russia slowly and painfully will win one day. It's that simple.
Don't even give a sniff of a shit who wins or loses at this point. I only want this board to no longer be suffocated by boring ass 4chan tier Ukraine Russia threads. Every time I read "vatnik" or "holhol" I fucking cringe.
I think mods will 404 them quickly so need to worry.
Both function well for their purposes.
I prefer the AR in a large battle rifle caliber.
A high powered AR with modern optics is not cheap, but human life is precious and priceless.
A high powered rifle is worth the cost when such marksmen are known to achieve triple digit kill counts, instill deep psychological fear in the enemy, and most importantly, survive engagements in order to fight another day, see promotion, or go home.
But you can make the AK mag shorter and add a scope to fit marksmanship.
>7.62x39
>marksmanship
Not with the very little development the russians did with the cartridge
Look at SVD that's literally sniper AK.
>sniper AK
PSL is a sniper AK not SVD
nta, but you can fit 6.5 Grendel and probably 6mm ARC into 7.62x39mm mags. So if you could rebarrel the AK to one of those, figure out an optics mounting solution that doesn't suck, and then accurize the rifle without making it retarded heavy, you'd have a nice DMR setup
Or you could just go with a Stoner-derived design like the rest of the First World
For winning a war it seems an AK is the better choice. Just from statistics, even if the guys always seem to miss.
M16>AK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ARs and AR clones
They are functionally the same in trained hands
Well in the sense that they are both assault rifles chambered in an intermediate cartridge assuming it's an AK74 or later model.
If I can I'd still try to get my hands on an AR in 5.56. To equal parts for the better round, reliability and the optics mounting. Rails on an AK dustcover is just disgusting.
>Rails on an AK dustcover is just disgusting.
That's your opinion, personally I'm a fan of the beryl rail mounting system
AR for am Optics package AK for brute fire power. also grand thumb just made a video on this. AK won.
depends on user, if competent ar, if its about taking abuse/no fucks given about maintaining it, ak
Literally what the fuck does this mean anymore
Even the cheapest ARs run dry as fuck with no maintenance
AK is the fedora of the civilian rifle world. Every time I’ve met an “AK guy” it’s always some weird fuck with long greasy hair and some video game shirt or something similar.
>Every time I’ve met an “AK guy”
I doubt you ever meet anyone.
>it’s always some weird fuck with long greasy hair and some video game shirt
Stop talking about yourself so much, Mr liberal.
AKMs are based.
Its sad but true. Ive met less autistic/fedora tipping slavaboos when I did airsoft than at a gunrange. Hell i have to work with a slavaboo nazbol retard and a authoritarian pol chud from a well off family both talk shit nobstop about ar15. Unfortunately theres not much market in. 1k range thats a good deal as an alternative to ak or ar15 in the civilian market these days.
>Hell i have to work with a slavaboo nazbol retard and a authoritarian pol chud
No you dont work with that guy, that guy doesnt exist, you make up shit in your head.
Unfortunately I'm not and i really want to quit my job. Power engineer gets you aroubd the most retarded people on the planet.
ARs Chambered in 7.62 and AKs chambered in 5.56.
if the AR isn't better, why did Russia try and fail to turn the AK into an AR with the AK-12?
In reality, the AK does hold up to frost and sand better, while the AR holds up to mud better while being more ergonomic for people who aren't wrong handed
Even though this is a faggy bait thread I'll reply.
And unlike the vast majority of people in this thread who neither own nor probably have shot either, I own and shoot both regularly. Pic is ak, don't feel like getting the ar out.
Mine's in 7.62. You get a variety of caliber choice with the AK if you really give a shit. in 99% of scenarios, 7.62/5.45/5.56 won't make a damn bit of difference despite what people tell you. If you can put lead on target you're gonna kill the dude.
The main draw of an AK to me is how sturdy it is. I've literally beat this thing with a hammer and stress tested it to hell. Put 2k rounds through it with 0 cleaning or maintenance, no issues. Shoot it regularly in 100+ F heat, hundreds of rounds at a time, dropped it a million times, etc. No issues.
>you just made you AK look like an AR!!11!!
Yeah its 2023 and if you're not modernizing your guns you're a fucking retard. Stock AKs are heavy as shit and have dogshit ergo.
The AR on the other hand is much lighter and much easier to customize without having to bludgeon the gun to get the pieces where you want to go. Vast majority of rifle parts are made around picatinny rails and designed to fit on an AR, which makes kitting it out easier. It also is slightly less reliable in my own experience. Had one or two malfunctions. Most honest stress tests on youtube are pretty accurate; both AR and AK can get tossed around, but the AK will survive slightly more torture. Yeah if you dump mud in the mag of either they won't work, what a surprise.
If SHTF or whatever and I had to choose one, I'd go with AR purely because finding 5.56 would be easier than finding 7.62. Especially with Bidens ammo import ban.
>slightly less reliable in my own experience
details plx
Checked
>slightly less reliable in my own experience
>details plx
I got it somewhat dirty and dusty, no major mud or anything just dirt and shit. Had a failure to feed, cleared it twice and no issues after.
Then had a double feed a long while later. Still using the same mag later and no issues, not sure what caused it.
If you're not an autistic retard you'll understand that no machine is built perfectly and sometimes the most minute shit will cause them to have problems.
>the most minute shit will cause them to have problems
Agreed