Which European nations would actually be militarily useful in a war over Taiwan? Posted on May 15, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Which European nations would actually be militarily useful in a war over Taiwan?
France > UK > Italy > Spain > Greece maybe.
The first 4 are the only countries with some power projection, Italy and Spain just follow France usually
>France infront of UK for power projection
disingenuous or retarded
By some (this is an incredibly operative word, please read the sentence multiple times if needed) metrics its true.
>Has a bigger and larger capacity transport aircraft
>Has 13 resupply ships to Frances 3
>Has more VLS than France Germany and Italy combined
>2 carriers to 1
>Has a small naval base in Singapore
France doesn't come close to the UKs power projection in Asia anon, not trying to shit on France btw.
>2 carriers to 1
UK only effectively has 1 carrier currently for 2 reasons. PoW is down for extended repairs and there isn't even enough F-35s for QE as is (at like 2/3 standard cap and less than 1/2 of surge). Meanwhile CdG is full-up and can launch AWACS which is gonna be of prime importance in SCS/ECS engagements. Plus, if you are gonna steam all the way over there then surely you acknowledge the advantge of it being nuclear powered?
>Has a small naval base in Singapore
And France has one in New Caledonia
>Has 13 resupply ships to Frances 3
I only know of 7 but still yeah, I didn't even intend to dispute this one (though its not AL lopsided as it first seems due to the nuclear vs oil issue above)
>Has a bigger and larger capacity transport aircraft
Now, what does France have?
>Triomphant a bit better than Vanguard
>More and better LHDs/LPDs/LSDs/Amphibs/whatever you want to call them
>More destroyers with more varied mission capabilities
>anon, not trying to shit on France btw.
And I'm not trying to shit on the UK. They had great shit and you didn't even list all the advantages they have. I was just pointing out that in some ways the French have greater capabilities.
You can read above but I'm picking up serious vibes that you already have your heart set and just want to instigate a fight. If so, know that I have zero interest.
No matter what way you try spin it 2 is better than 1. It's down for a new propellor the one built in France broke, the same happened to the CdGs prop.
>Nuke powered being a pro for France
No, it's slow as fuck and has to resupply food and stores anyway France has a tiny replenishment fleet so it being nuclear holds no pros here. The UK carriers can go for longer due to having more replenishment ships, 13 to 3. Nuclear carriers are great for powers with large support fleets like the US, relatively small Navies? Not so much.
Bro, are you trolling? New Caledonia is 4 fucking thousand miles away from the South China Sea. The French Naval base in Reunion is about the same distance.
Singapore is literally right there next to the South China Sea.
>Nuclear vs Oil
It's not just oil, sailors need to drink/eat ships need stores it's not all about fuel.
>Triomphant better than Vangaurd
I doubt it and its pointless to argue somthing that is likely top secret
>More LPDs etc
Again the UK has and does carry more missiles than the French German and Italian fleets combined.
608 vs 672 VLS lethality is very much on the side of the RN.
True the English don't have equivilant of this ship I didn't even know it existed.
>sailors need to drink/eat
Is food really that big a deal? I would have expected the fuel on an oil-fueled ship to easily weigh an order of magnitude more than the food stores.
>No matter what way you try spin it 2 is better than 1
The RN has 2 smaller carriers, but in reality 1 is likely to be in port/refitting whilst the other is at sea. France has 1 very large carrier, but also maintains 3 amphibious assault ships (Mistral) to the UKs 1 (of 2 Albions, 1 is in unmanned reserve). The RN and MN are both blue-water, but both have budgetary constraints, and are equipped for slightly different roles.
Smaller carriers? QE class are larger than the CDG and actually embark 5th gen aircraft…
The Clemenceau class and Charles de Gaulle were larger but fewer that the Invincible class and the new French carrier will be larger but fewer than the QE class.
Ok so you are referring to a class of ship that’s still only on paper and past UK capabilities.. that doesn’t make much sense imo. What stealth capabilities will the aircraft on the next French carrier possess once it’s finally built?
What doesn't make sense, French carriers tend to be larger than British ones, but there are fewer of them, seems pretty simple.
The UK's two carriers are larger than CDG. The UK has 5 amphibious assault vessels, 2 Albion class and 3 Bay class.
You seem to default to very black and white thinking when my entire point was indicating there was a gray area. Please try to understand.
>No matter what way you try spin it 2 is better than 1
You're absolutely right. I'm just pointing out that AT THE MOMENT they both have 1. The lack of planes for QE is a big deal; recall that those are supposed to be shared with the RAF and even taking them all still leaves the ship underequipped.
>No, it's slow as fuck and has to resupply food and stores anyway...
You're right, it has to resupply food/etc. But not having to worry about fuel especially while halfway around the world and under combat conditions is a big deal, even just from an availability to respond prespective. As for slow: Yes it is a bit slowER but not by that much, you're splitting hairs.
>New Caledonia is 4 fucking thousand miles away
Its also that far from ECS, a distance well within the range of its ships. Embarking from Singapore and avoiding the SCS the RN would go a similiar distance. Its basically trading easier access to the SCS for more susceptible to missile strikes from China.
>it's not all about fuel.
Correct, but it is a factor. I was merely pointing that out.
>I doubt it and its pointless to argue somthing that is likely top secret
Not all the differences are top secret or unavailable to OSINT. I'd like to hear your doubts.
I could contend that reducing naval strength down to VLS cells is idiotic but instead I'll just again indicate that this is not about who is best. For example, France's destroyers are better equipped to combat submarine threats.
>More LPDs etc
It seems you are granting that FRance has these. So while we may disagree on the number it seems you do now agree that France has some greater capabilities to project power than the British...yes?
>608 vs 672 VLS
How do you get that number? The French fleet alone has 384 VLS with 5x16(+16) underway
> there isn't even enough F-35s for QE as is (at like 2/3 standard cap and less than 1/2 of surge)
You're saying Italy has a more capable carrier airwing? Lmao
No, Italy has even less. Where did you get that from? No one was even talking about Italy.
What metrics? There are none that I can even imagine that give France a credible ability to project power at all, let alone greater than the UK.
We're talking about a country that could not independently deploy and sustain a small, light motorised force conducting an extremely low intensity police action in Mali. I cannot imagine what measure of force projection makes them look good.
In reality it would be more like
UK > France (only if they unfucked their attitude) > Germany (only if they unfucked their attitude) > Italy (only if they unfucked their attitude) > Spain (only if they unfucked their attitude)
Also Germany is a sleeping powerhouse when it comes to ground forces and logistics. It contributed the 3rd largest contingent of troops to afghanistan after the US and the UK and it had a total of 150k afghanistan vets. It has also demonstrated that it can forward deploy small contingents overseas on its own when it did so against daesh.
It was literally called operation counter daesh, yes. And it was mostly logistics orientated.
logistics certainly, but bundes rank-and-file infantry are notoriously useless and fat, even within their own country
Burgers will be alone in this. Europoors have their hands full with the ukraine shenanigans (thanks to usa) so they'll just let yankies have their Vietnam 2.0.
>Europoors have their hands full with the ukraine
Doing what, exactly? America is doing more than any other country for Ukraine.
>ukraine shenanigans (thanks to usa)
Okay, I have to hear how Russia invading Ukraine is America's fault. This ought to be good.
OP you need to understand that if china wants to take Taiwan, it will, and there's literally nothing anyone can do about it. Taiwan literally cannot defend itself
2. France, if they had the will power which they don't
Do you think Britain could be rewarded with a port city in South China for its efforts?
Asking for a friend.
G I V E M E T H E K O NG
>You broke the 50 year no interference rule, we're calling backsies.
Haha, yeah, it could be a hybrid form of government.
Doesn't matter, they couldn't keep it.
So it begins anew. The century of humiliation will never end.
I don’t give a shit about Hong Kong and Taiwan. They’re indefensible. I don’t want a repeat of Christmas 1941, and Hong Kongers are ungrateful pricks who bit the hand that fed and sheltered them. Fuck em. They wanted reunification and the CCP? They got exactly what they wanted.
The only overseas territories I would to like to see reclaimed are Malaysia, and Borneo. These I would want just to secure safe passage and communications for Australia and New Zealand, who actually are family.
>They wanted reunification and the CCP? They got exactly what they wanted.
Did they? I thought the reason Britain gave back HK is because China was getting more powerful and Britain couldn't be fucked to have an argument over it, so they just handed it back to China. I thought many HKers liked being British.
Nah, the reason Britain gave Hong Kong back was that the British government's lease on the island ran out. The Bongs didn't conquer or take Hong Kong from Imperial China, they bought it. When the lease ran out (after 100 years, as is typical) they had to give it back.
>British government's lease on the island ran out
the island wasnt leased
they owned it
the land surround the islands was leased
Practical reason was Thatcher asked the military if they would be able to defend HK from chang chimp out like Falklands. They deemed it impossible as they projected what they would do if they were changs. So the motion was put forward to start slowly giving in to the mainland crazies.
Don't be stupid, that's not how the US operates. "Friends" get fucked harder than enemies.
And a chingchong bingbong day to you as well.
Look friend, I'm sure in the fantasy US that exists in your head democracy and diversity are strengths, but out here in the real world the US has just blown up a pipeline and tanked the European economy in order to make theirs look less shit rather than stop printing money out of nowhere.
>the US has just blown up a pipeline
May we see it?
Yeah sure no problem.
Video is over a year old
No explosions visible, just old man drooling.
No pipeline visible, just old man drooling.
US dindu nuffin.
>raps about blowing up pipelines on his mixtape
HE A GOOD BOI DAS ARTISTIC ESPRESSUN
Claims not made. Still waiting.
kek this, all to avoid paying breach of contract fees.
Not our fault the French are retarded and keep supporting us in every conflict just for us to be dicks to them after we win.
Since when? China immediately invaded its "communist ally" Vietnam the moment the Americans were gone (and got rekt).
Imagine the butthurt
Isn't most of France's military ground troops? Not very useful in what would primarily be a naval war.
If you can deploy any mildly useful naval forces into the pacific, you're useful, simple as. France or Britain could send a carrier group, the rest could send a few single ships at most, not very useful.
The EU vassalizes Russia and stations ground troops in siberia
They got a carrier, they got boomers, they go amphibious assault ships they got Excocet and nothing, nothing in the world can quite rub it in with that arrogant habitus like a full blood Frenchy, which comes in handy in case you win.
>nothing in the world can quite rub it in with that arrogant habitus like a full blood Frenchy
Merci for the compliment
>I will taunt you a sec'ond time'uh
Yeah, but they're Navy isn't bad. Its not as good as the English but they still have a carrier destroyers frigates a handful of supply ships nuclear subs, if you paired them with the Royal Navy it would be a lethal force.
>Britain, France and the US killing chinks again
Boxer War 2 electric boogaloo
Uk is fucking useless
France actually has a capable navy in the pacific, french subs could wreak havoc to China
Well they did a great job slaughtering Muslims for 20 years and paying the slaughtered Muslim baby tax or 3 thousand dollars lmao
JIDF in full force ITT lmao
get back to us when you have actual experience projecting force across oceans to defend shitty little islands, pierre
Anon's final words before he noticed this
I don't get why you guys are always so bitter towards one another.
Well, there was a 100 years war and it all escalated from there.
>100 years war
Nah, go back to 1066, it all started from there
Lol no. Those were normans not frogs
Why do frogmorons think they are Norman anyway most of them have African ancestors not fucking Norwegian lmao
Normans are just viking morons who got gibs and wimmenz from the franks. But i love my frog boys and aint trying to stir the shit pot. Paris smells like piss though t b h, i was very unimpressed
>Those were normans not frogs
A thousand years later, Brits are still vividly coping with this lame excuse, sad!
And Frenchmen larping with
>we wuz Gauls!
>we wuz Normans!
>we wuz Corsicans!
is not coping?
Sir could you please have your identity crisis elsewhere this is a weapons board
No, I'm here to stay
I'm perfectly fine with my historical figures and ancestry, and you should know better that we don't give a single fuck about what others are thinking about us, we go our own way
>we go our own way
That's the problem though because you are confused
You're going the wrong way and claiming to be everyone is pretty stupid, no?
>You're going the wrong way
That's your opinion
>and claiming to be everyone is pretty stupid, no?
(I know it won't bring anything at all to the conversation, but I am heading right now to the grocery store to get some coulommier)
This may come as a surprise to some but Germanish speaking Norse men settled literally everywhere in Europe during the migration period and the Viking age. The Norsemen settled the coast along France and Belgium and were given lordship over the locals and then assimilated their language after 200 years. The Franks originally did not speak French as its spoken today. And the Burgundians came from Bornholm in Scandinavia and conquered the local folks and were given lordship over them and slowly switched their tongues over time in the same way. Some Norse was still spoken among some Normans during the 1066 invasion even though it was not spoken as often. Germanish folks invaded and settled as far as the Americas and Africa and Russia during the migration period and the Viking age.
Also I forgot to mention that the English army that fought the Normans in 1066 had just marched hundreds of miles from battling the Norse in northern England. Since the Norse had also invaded there for the last 200 years as well.
There's a way to go about it that isn't so spite filled. I mean, by all accounts the Americans and British get along just fine when they have every reason to hate the fuck out of each other.
>I mean, by all accounts the Americans and British get along just fine when they have every reason to hate the fuck out of each other.
You realize that the reason of your existence is that France wanted to piss off Britain - and consequently helped you to become independent?
I didn't say I was American and I am acutely aware of that. My point remains.
Oui oui fuck le crown hon hon hon. Go back to Caneedah, non?
>Go back to Caneedah, non?
Excellent idea, let's start by reclaiming Canada first
I dare you to try and remilitarize the border. We wouldn't even need the military, you'd have militias forming and just capturing the cities south of the 46th in under a month.
>remilitarize the border
Anon I'm not Québécois, I'm from France
And frankly, I'll pick up the scorched earth option : nuke everything and rebuild after the cleansing
If you try and nuke the US there'll be nowhere from which to rebuild from.
If French Canada started miliarizing half of our American rednecks would join them up north. Don't expect a lot of logic in their decision making.
I doubt that. They speak FRENCH. 110% we would sell those pussies some bubba'd ars tho
We don't want tyrannical french gays in our country. Please loan us some nukes so we can deal with the quebecker problem once and for all.
Well, we like them. Sorry. They're the only interesting thing about Canada.
>by all accounts the Americans and British get along just fine
This is absolutely false, bongs in america are treated like aristocracy, but I've known a bunch of septics who lived here and every single one of them was treated like dirt
Oh wow, I better just throw out all the data because some anonymous fuck told me an anecdote he swears is true.
You need to be french or british, otherwise you'll never understand it
And bitter is a euphemism by the way
it's the geopolitical equivalent of hatefucking, we take turns topping every century or so
Reminds me of that one image of a male U.S and female Soviet Union staring each other down... you could just tell that hatefucking could happen at the drop of a hat.
No, the picture I'm looking for is a drawing, with the U.S on the right, backed with blue, facing a shorter female USSR with Soviet gear on, backed with red. Both are facing each other in front of a global map with their allies colored in their respective colors.
Nor that Rocky is bad, but it is not what I was looking for, nor does it capture the sheer energy.
Historically slaughtering each other for literally millennia tends to do that, but it's mostly historical banter. It's like Texas hating California, but still being in the same nation.
The bongs have a ton of anti frog culture embedded in their nation, but they're still out allies that have been aligned with us for decades at this point, most of the anti french hate is insincere and it's mostly a joke really.
If I couldn't call the French cheese eating surrender monkeys or baguette eaters, and they couldn't call us uncivilised or whatever froggies do in their country, it wouldn't be the same.
They sure as shit have more modern experience than you Nigel, since WW2 the bongs have achieved exactly 1 single naval operation, then immediately after proceeded to mothball their fleet into irrelevance. France unironically could sink the entire British "fleet" in a week and still have shit left over to fight the chinks with, those tea drinking, yellow teethed, pub going, soccer playing, muslim loving, wrong side of the road driving fuck heads across the pond couldn't even leave port without risk of sinking.
Bongs still routinely sail around the world and patrol the mideast oil and shipping lanes. They absolutely have more experience at this and logistic ability to support this than the frogs.
They occasionally sail around the UK and maybe through the Mediterranean and that's is, even the damn Italian navy does more than them with all like 3 of the boats they have, France actively works with the US military and needs boats because unlike the UK they still have overseas colonies around the world.
The way I read this is they only did shit during the Falklands and every single other one was a US operation that the british showed up to so they could seem important, good for them.
Shouldn't you be letting some arabs rape your "girl"friend Nigel
>bong still believes it's 1812
France after WW2 is the most powerful military in the entirety of Europe, you say no one speaks French but you seem to forget that's because of America not the US
Because the numbers don't show the absolute joke that is the British Navy, they "have" more boats in the same way Russia "has" more tanks than any other army in the world. Once you actually see the fleet you see how atrocious they actually are.
>a US operation that the british showed up to so they could seem important
Ah yes, the famously American Sierra Leone intervention.
My girlfriend's american so she only goes for black cocks
your country has more morons than south Africa after all
600 thousand cases of child molestation/child sex trafficking a year
Also shouldn't you be learning Spanish not seething at white men?
Lmao, this gay is acting like France doesn't have twice the Muslims the UK has.
>hey occasionally sail around the UK and maybe through the Mediterranean and that's is
No lol. They still routinely sail the Pacific and Indian oceans as well. It's not to say that France isn't good either, objectively both are. However the UK has historically been the better force projecting power and was the world superpower preceding the US, and it still maintains a closer relationship with the sole world super power (the US) right now more so than France has. Giving it a lot more operations experience than France in the last 60 or so years.
Nine thousand mile bombing run
At least we can get paternity tests. Go put some antlers on your car
Korean War, Falklands, Gulf War I, Sierra Leone, Gulf War II, and Libya were all successful Royal Navy operations.
>nooo you didn't 1 v 1 them it doesn't count.
Yeah, like France and it's successful record of 1v1 naval warfare in the modern era?
Lmao go learn Spanish, amerimutt
The numbers don't correlate to what you're claiming.
>1 single naval operation
literally the largest naval campaign since WW2
Only because everyone is too pussy to try shit, bongs had the benefit of being retarded enough to hold on to desolate wastelands in the middle of nowhere
>bongs had the benefit of being retarded enough to hold on to desolate wastelands in the middle of nowhere
You mean the anglo land that's got 999999x more resources than all of Europe combined? The land our brothers and sisters live on that's conveniently positioned at every corner of the globe?
That land? You mean all that land?
All 6.7 billion acres ? Combined making it the largest country and empire on the planet?
>6.7 billion acres
If we are going off the most generous amounts the bongs control 1.7 billion acres of land.
Sorry but you guys are not the giga superpower you used to be the sun does indeed set on the british empire.
The king of the anglosphere empire owns 6.7 billion acres of land right now
The armies of Australia, new Zealand Canada and Britain swear allegiance to the king not the government
Making the land protected and controlled by the king
So it's his land
The sun can't set unless all of those countries become republics which is unlikely so as usual the English speaking world is still on top and ESLs have to cope
That "allegiance" is paper thin, Canada, NZ and Oz all would turn their back on the UK if they ever went to war like they have done multiple times since 50's. The control the King has over any of those nations is about as much as the President has over my backyard which is to say if he came by and asked me to do something I would probably do it but not because I have just because I respect him enough to do it.
I could just say no and he could do jack and shit about it because his position only exists for ceremonial purposes at this point.
>if the Presidebt came by and asked me to do something I would probably do it but not because I have just because I respect him enough to do it.
You respect the president?
>The control the King has over any of those nations is about as much as the President has over my backyard which is to say if he came by and asked me to do something I would probably do it but not because I have just because I respect him enough to do it.
>I could just say no and he could do jack and shit about it because his position only exists for ceremonial purposes at this point.
I feel the same way, but that's mostly because I already served for 11 years (medical discharge), and any participation from me at this point would be entirely optional.
Offer me some food, clean water, and decent clothes, and I might change my mind, though. Depends on how bad things are, though.
>That "allegiance" is paper thin
It's not an allegiance it's the bedrock of our entire civilisation
We are bigger than you get over it, the sun didn't set
You'll be a Spanish speaking country soon
Canada is going to be a Mandarin and Hindi speaking country soon, in fact this can be said about most of the common wealth nations.
What blood? Bongs are European rape babies who got raped by krauts, nords, meds, frogs and now muslims. All your "brothers" are busy sucking chinese and indian cock. For a nation that is so massive you sure don't seem to realize the US is bigger than a few border states and the heartland is still white and will stay that way until we are all dead.
Who the fuck is a mutt to call anyone a rape baby? Britain is whiter than America and will be long after we are both dead. As for your white heartland you must be talking about fucking Idaho or somewhere because i've seen a lot of your country and in every major city i've been white people are a nervous minority.
Sorry sweaty, whites are a minority in engerland.
>Canada, NZ and Oz all would turn their back on the UK if they ever went to war like they have done multiple times since 50's.
Tell me one time when the UK requested their assistance and got refused.
The Canadians won a fucking nobel peace prize for refusing to back the bongs at Suez, you dolt
Tell me more about how the British said "Canada halp" and Canada said "No."
Obama won a nobel peace prize for firing a missile at a Muslim family having a party lmao
The nobel peace prize was made by gays that are anti capitalism and anti anglo dominance
>which is to say if he came by and asked me to do something I would probably do it but not because I have just because I respect him enough to do it.
Tell me you're not American without telling me you're not an American.
The last time Brits and Americans fought against the Insect hordes the infantry of one country fought bravely and the and the infantry of the other was known for running away. Can you guess which was which mutt?
Sometimes I forget England is still its own country.
>TRUST THE PLAN
i genuinely think that prior perhaps to chinas massive buildup, the US navy had decent odds against every other navy on the planet combined. hell, they still probably do.
>France, if they had the willpower, if America and Britain entirely handled their logistics for them, if French troops were limited to zero risk non-combat operations, and France got the lions share of the credit for winning at the end.
europeans and useful are mutually exclusive in a sentence
Italy, they could ally with China and then mid war change allegiances.
Also Turkey for some Asian on Asian violence.
Also Serbia, for remove Dim Sum.
Going by Desert Storm
Iraq war* sorry
Desert storm is the same minus Poland
Afganistan is also the same
This wiill be a naval/air only fight from the european side/ If when we roll up the invasion has already made massive landings and overun the island we aren't going to be doing our own amphib landings. So, unless there is something I am unaware of in regards to the Polish Navy I think you lads are sitting this one out.
Slavs will be deployed to fight the Chinese as they are naturally immune to zerg tactics after years fighting Russians
Bro, you fought and trained with Russians for most of the cold war. You were the zergs for Soviet leadership
Of course our navy is virtually non-existent, but it's a fucking retarded take that you can go to war with fucking China and dismiss qualified military personnel willing to help if they don't come with their own aircraft carrier.
I'm sure the Taiwanese would scoff at Polish land forces garrisoning the island.
Unironically Sweden because they supply every relevant military on the planet.
Um sweatie he said nato countries.
Please work on your reading comprehension and your spelling, ESL.
t. an ESL
>t. an ESL
yeah it fucking shows newfag
How many languages do you speak again?
NTA but English is the only one that matters. I can speak English into my phone and it will automatically translate it into your gay goatfucker tongue.
The only European nation with power projection across all 4 seas is Turkey, the Second best military in NATO
Turkey can't even project power to 2 of the 3 seas that's surrouning it, let alone pacific.
You have got to be fucking kidding.
Turkey can't even properly control its military or beat the kurds.
Literally any of them, Europeans have a history of curbstomping chinkoids. Even Pussia racked up plenty of wins against them.
>ynr the chinks made an entire movie about how they forced the UN back while taking 20x the casualties of the UN forces.
>thoses 400 mad lads taking 26 forts
>Negrier vs Wang debang
I just realized that I know precious little about the boxer rebellion. Reading up on it now. Seems pretty interesting
>japs: 4 killed, 140 wounded
>chinks: 2,000 killed
What happened there?
this is missing the 3rd Indochina War, when Vietnam kicked China's ass after China had been helping the CIA arm and finance Pol Pot
Bruh why do the Japanese outnumber everyone else in that picture
because A: its a japanese picture and b: the japanese were 50% of the international force
Man, it'd be nice to get the gang back together
>THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOoOoOoOWN
>THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
>THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
>THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
Did the Japanese illustrator just fucken give up drawing all the stars on the US flag?
Going in for round 2
>Which European nations would actually be militarily useful in a war over Taiwan?
I have no interest in fighting the Chinese if they want to fight us then that's fine
But the most important thing for me is that a lot of sluts of Allah die
Like this Muslim kid
Rest in piss bozo
Muslims only exist for white men to murder them
Why are all bug people all edgy like this? Go eat your dog chops, chang.
Half a million of these little ugly gays got fucking obliterated
And that's great
Yeah that's why you were called edgy, subhuman.
It costs 3 thousand dollars to slaughter a Muslim baby from orbit
Do you have any idea how cheap that is
Azn pussy not even that great
Asian cock bigger than Muslim cock
Cope bitch tits. We still pump and dump your whores on vacation
With your extremely tiny little Muslim boy cocks? Western condoms don't fit you
Heres your last (you). Have a good day bro, unironically
I love this
Chinese guys care so much about maintaining face that even if they know their partner is cheating they won't acknowledge it
CHINA MAN HAVE BIGGER COCK THAN MUSLIM BOY
Lmao look at these goons seethe. You just know their african brides beat them up
sorry to say but, for many years this webm was the epitomy of white dominance over asian masculinity, only...that's not a woman. And if you read the translation, chinkbro is just telling whitey he's fucking a ladyboy
So whities fuck the trannies but asians date them? Not the burn you thought it was buckaroo
UK and France.
Funnily enough, we have an amphibious SF unit in Poland called "FORMOZA" ("Formosa" is the old name for Taiwan in case you didn't know).
I have no idea if there was some aspirational motivation behind the naming decision (as in "Look America, you can take us wherever you need") or it was the only sensible acronym they could come up with, but it would be a shame for them to sit out the fight for Taiwan when they're named after it.
>UK, France, Italy, perhaps Spain
If you can't get at least a carrier group out, what's the point?
Not a chance in hell. They have only like a dozen harriers in the entire air arm of their navy.
That's why I said perhaps. They don't really have much of an airwing, but at least they have a carrier to bring the planes out on. So they qualify more than any other European country that I have not mentioned.
And I'm taking your perhaps and downranking it to not a chance in hell. An empty carrier is just a supply hog.
>We get the band back together to dab on chinks
Damn it'd be so kino
5 AEGIS frigates completelly compatible with a burger task force, SPY-1D is no joke.
>If you can't get at least a carrier group out, what's the point?
I reckon France might be useful
They're total simps for Japan, and Japan will definitely be a target of China when the war breaks out
Yeah but.... I mean, really? France talks a big game and I'd like to see them do something but what have they done since Suez? Vietnam? Libya?
>but what have they done since Suez? Vietnam? Libya?
France has been mainly focused on Africa for the past couple decades. No one was paying attention while Sam and friends were rolling around in the sandbox.
If shit goes hot in the SCS I'd be glad to have the French there. Fuck, even the Italians would probably be helpful.
We've burned morons hidden in a cave with flamethrowers in the 90s
>As a result, the separatists were warned of the assault and had time to pull back inside the caves. Some Kanak sentries spotted the approaching assault team who had moved further north than they should have and opened fire, wounding a Commando Hubert operator. Another operator shot and killed the sentry that had fired. Another assault force member was killed as he crossed the open ground in front of the cave. The Commando Hubert team then cleared the area in front of the machine gun position with flamethrowers.
Anyone - ANYONE - who claims that either the British or French wouldn't be able to contribute is just trying to stir drama; zero exceptions
Why would any European nation fight for Republic of China? Only USA, Japan and South Korea will defend them.
To be honest, why would any country intervene? Out of those you mentioned:
Nope, they said they wouldn't intervene a couple days ago
> South Korea
Would they risk a Korean War II?
Honestly I'm not sure they aren't bluffing. They gain all of the advantages and none of the consequences by doing so.
>Nope, they said they wouldn't intervene a couple days ago
>Eighty percent of voters said they are worried that Japan would be caught up in the armed conflict if the United States and China clashed over Taiwan, according to an Asahi Shimbun survey
>Seventy percent selected “deepening the relationship with China,” far more than the 26 percent who chose “strengthening defense capabilities.”
>"People in general do not want war and I would say that most people in Okinawa are opposed to the Japanese military getting involved in any conflict over Taiwan," said Shinako Oyakawa, who is involved in local politics in Japan's most southerly prefecture.
That's what civilians said. Not the government.
It literally doesn't matter what civvies say now, if this war happens, Japan will get hit by missile strikes. Period. There are American bases.
Then watch it change to 90% in favor of the war.
It's like suggesting that US polls from 1940 decided what happened in WW2.
>Then watch it change to 90% in favor of the war.
Something tells me that if only american bases only get struck, especially if it's just okinawa, it's far more likely that there will be a greater push to get US bases out of Japan than not. Japanese don't give a shit if foreigners get killed
>Japanese don't give a shit if foreigners get killed
Especially if said foreigners are trying to get THEM killed by dragging them in a war where they have everything to lose, as indicated by the polls
Japan is a vasal state of the US by treaty. Meaning it has to have US bases and missile defense by treaty obligation. Btw there are US bases literally all over Japan not just okinawa. Lose the treaty and the norks might just chimp and nuke tokyo.
>Japanese don't give a shit if foreigners get killed
Japs will die. You think those bases are in the middle of nowhere with no Japanese staff?
And there's no chance only Okinawa gets hit. Hitting Okinawa and leaving Yokosuka would be retarded. Now look at Yokosuka on the map and tell me how you'd bomb it without killing thousands of Japanese civilians.
If you can read a map, you can also see that Japan is geographically within range of almost all classes of chinese missiles that will knock out their ports and the japanese people suffering mass starvation and blackouts in result. Due to the islands being completely energy insecure and half-food insecure.
Now you tell me if potentially millions of japanese casualties and the complete destruction of their economy, demographics, etc. against the strongest military power in the region (who they cannot meaningfully strike back toward its mainland) would be preferable if you were japanese yourself.
The answer is a resounding no. The polls show that 89% oppose direct military action against China over Taiwan. If their government forces the population to anyway, or if USA forces them, that's a recipe for rock-bottom morale or revolution. Neither of which will be effective at all against China. It will be mass suffering for nothing.
Or they could simply stay out and continue reaping economic benefits.
>If you can read a map, you can also see that Ukraine is geographically within range of almost all classes of Russian missiles that will knock out their ports and supply lines
>Now you tell me if potentially millions of Ukrainian casualties and the complete destruction of their economy, demographics, etc. against the strongest military power in the region (who they cannot meaningfully strike back toward its mainland) would be preferable if you were Ukrainian yourself.
You thinking that Russia = China and Ukraine = Taiwan only shows how dull your thinking is. Utterly incapable of thinking outside of thought-terminating cliches like an NPC
Oh boy! More chingchong infographics, aren't we so lucky.
come on he stitched together 2 different infographics now that's i m p r e s s i v e
Yes, yes, China very strong. China smash Japan. When Japan hit by strong China missile thousands die in Yokohoma weak cuck Japan will cry and lay there.
Thought terminating cliches, like "muh missiles."
Watch and see. If China takes Taiwan by force, Japan WILL get struck, and they WILL strike back as part of a united force. I'm just sad I won't be able to see the look on your little yellow face when it happens.
>..of vessels launched 2000-17
post total tonnage chang
>If you can read a map, you can also see that Japan is geographically within range of almost all classes of chinese missiles that will knock out their ports and the japanese people suffering mass starvation and blackouts in result. Due to the islands being completely energy insecure and half-food insecure.
Is this supposed to be a reason NOT to fight the Chinese? If you have an island nation utterly dependant on global sea trade, and a neighbour threatens to start sinking civilian shipping, that's an existential threat. You HAVE to find some way to respond to it, even if it means that millions will die, because your survival as an independent nation hinges on those boats.
If China ever stops posturing and starts knocking down nearby islands with military force, the absolute last thing Japan wants is having to face it without the US as an ally.
In the Chinese mind, they believe that yes, Japan should not fight because they would be much happier as a Chinese tributary state like in the old days when they had to cough up treasure and slaves to stay safe every few decades as China sends their envoys. They really think that America is currently subjecting Japan to something far worse than that.
BIG COCK CHINA TINY COCK ISLAM
GET IN CONCENTRATION CAMP
Taiwan is Chinese. What happens to it has nothing to do with anyone else.
That’s like saying that if the US puts DeSantis in prison for insurrection and puts a proper Democrat government in place in Florida, that Cuba has to get involved and invade the US in the name of the Republican Party.
The US putting down his insurrection doesn’t mean we care about Cuba. It’s an internal matter, just as Taiwan is internal to China.
Treaty of San Francisco says otherwiise, get bent.
>Taiwan is Chinese.
Taiwan never has and never will be Chinese it was rightful Japanese territory from the start, once the sun rises again chinese bugmen and gay westoids will know true power as the Japanese warrior spirit purges all communism and gayry from this world.
And if they renege their treaty we could do the same or worse to them. And do you think the nips would be okay with being under the chinese thumb? Lol come on man
Yeah man, Japan doubled it’s defense budget for no reason at all.
>Would they risk a Korean War II?
They'd be in it.
Our people are jingoistic and our state knows when the challenge comes you have to take it head on. I tend to think the auxiliary Asians aren't looking forward to Chinese dominance and they'll have to join in.
They'd be in it if they participated. If they didn't, no Korean War II.
>I tend to think the auxiliary Asians aren't looking forward to Chinese dominance
For South Korea, they literally don't care as long as their land isn't being annexed. What's so different to them about another, different superpower ruling over them, anyway? You really think just switching USA for China means that much to them?
What matters to them the most is not openly warring with their much larger next door neighbor and as a result having their entire country completely glassed by every single missile in the PLA's inventory
no chance in hell any country in asia would lift a finger. I highly doubt the US would even intervene.
Japan either helps or gets 2 more nukes. What a bunch of limpdicks. We shouldve let the russians take their gay island and nuked everything in 46
Do you just not pay attention to any of the papers coming out of the UK or France about thier goals/planning or are you just intentionally being dumb?
same way everybody in euro ignored ukraine because if you dont poke the mighty bear you will never be attacked? If you dont stop chinks dead in their tracks they will escalate their arrogance and turn this into another world war. This time centered around the pacific
BTFO them hard like ziggers in Ukraine and they will think twice about attacking Korea or Nipps or really anybody else around them. Both important western friendly nations with remarkable economic potential.
the UK and france have their own carrier task groups
Italy and Spain have decent navies but would need a lot of logistic support
but even some smaller nice navies could be useful belgium and the dutch come to mind with their new generation of minesweepers.
the rest would be logistic support, small specialist teams and perhaps a few f-35 and other specialized aircraft
I'm big on Poland, love Poland
Why were russians so obsessed with boris johnson in their propaganda anyway?
To the point they had the fat mumbler sex-addict leading special forces raids personally?
Probably because he's a big fat slob that made England look like a clown show. Despite that he seemed pretty good. Also Russia apparently has a hate boner for England that I can't explain.
Boris Johnson is the Ghost of Kiev, he will pay for launching shadow storm into puppy farm. Follow incel slava for up to date info western media is trying to bury.
He was really the most notable supporter of Ukraine from the day one while EU was still stroking it's cock wondering what to do.
Probably either UK or France with the Dutch as support
Isn't the Dutch Navy tiny these days? I don't think they can support global scale operations anymore.
They participate in RIMPAC pretty often (last year in fact). If they have the political will you can expect them to send a shiip or two as part of a coalition force; they aren't going to be launching independent actions.
They have a lot of specialised shit which a lot of other countries don't have when it comes to the navy. They get called up to fix weird jobs all the times.
>Anyone - ANYONE - who claims that either the British or French wouldn't be able to contribute is just trying to stir drama; zero exceptions
Why's it us vs France anyway? Like the french can compete with us we've got brothers all around the world
There's 130 million of us
Nobody speaks french anymore
We cucked Napoleon into oblivion
Napoleon wasn't even french he was Sardinian
They havent won a war since the 1600s
The french are not on our level
The french only learn English because amerimutts force them to
Amerimutts have white English people on their money
I mean guys really
Cmon there's no competition
Terrible arguement. English is the trade language, learn it or not idc. And the money quip is pretty shitty dude. Heres your (you) go buy some rhino powder for your ding dong
You learn English because mutts force you to because you're literally cuck by goblins verbally and physically
We didn't try to make you failures speak English because we don't give a fuck what you have to say lmao
Wut? Im a florida man.
That's even worse you speak English so your refugee pussy ass immigrant family could get welfare
Lmao sure buddy boy
it's not my fault your ancestor didn't have an immune system duuuuude
Pussy ass french gay
>Napoleon wasn't even french he was Sardinian
Same vibes, same nature of cope as this
Not a cope, i am related to one of williams men on my dads side. Its just da truth
D'accord whatever, I don't care about your (made up) life
Why yes, we were gaulois indeed, Vercingétorix is our godfather, Normans and Corsicans are our vassals and fully part of our kingdom/empire
The only good thing about america is that they helped us murder half a million Muslim babies
And I mean murder literally we had to pay a dead Muslim baby tax for each one
3 thousand dollars well spent ngl
Mutts picked up the tab
Anyone who gets off on dead kids is a pussy. Unironically get help
I get nothing sexual out of it I have to force myself to cum on their smouldering little bodies
...asses boared out by their uncles
Little fuckers didn't stand a chance
Used to work behind the bar in this pretty fancy club/restaurant (not saying which for doxxable reasons) and whenever foreign people would come I'd run my finger between my arse crack and swirl it around in their drinks for a bit sometimes id rim the glass with my finger
Every single time
Meanwhile in halfamillionfuckedmuslimbabiesland
I mean.... Normandy(where the Normans come from) was a country in the early anglosphere called the Angevin empire which stretched from Ireland to southern France and the french had to fight wars to reclaim it
So the french think they fought a war against themselves to reclaim their own land
....the Norman larp just keeps getting weaker and weaker by the day
At first it seems like a strong larp but it you poke it a bit it shatters
Its cute how they arranged themselves by height.
Someone label this for me. I can guess most of them I think but a couple elude me.
You tell a bunch of military guys to fall in and they're going to do that automatically. It's not an accident, it's how they were trained for drill.
bong > yank > strayan > pajeet > g*rm > austro-hungarian > wop > nip
there were russians too but I guess he was too busy sucking his NCOs dick to pose
How does Boris Johnson's hair manage to get more unkempt every time he's posted? Is it even actual hair or some strange new variant of raccoon?
He unironically messes his hair up on purpose before going in front of the public, this is well-documented. He's playing up a character for political advantage. And, well...it worked.
Isn't it only the UK and France that have the ability to project force that far?
I consider France should have joined Team China after Australia broke that submarines contract. Now THAT would make an interesting Pacific scenario.
Consider killing yourself Chang, hopefully we'll secure more contracts with Taiwan and sell them our remaining batches of Mirage 2000
China would be a good start, given it's just off the west coast of Taiwan
Wait, do the bongs unironically think they are militarily relevant still?
Are they still banging pots and pans for the national health service?
What interests do we even have in Taiwan
Let the americans worry about it while we collect money from china lol
>What interests do we even have in Taiwan
If a corporation in your country relies on semiconductors, chances are that it buys from Taiwan. Taiwan manufactures about 50% of the world' semiconductor supply and sells to clients in the US, UK, and EU.
doesnt matter who owns it for europe though, we aren't enemies of china
That's an odd opinion to have, since the Chinese are enemies of Europe. They support the invasion by asiatics of a European nation (which is threatening to invade yet more European nations, albeit impotently at this point). They also declared several European countries, among them EU members, to have no legal basis for existing.
As for who owns those semiconductor producers...well, it's going to be Taiwan or no one at all, because they'll be destroyed should Taiwan be invaded. Then you'll have to either produce your own (lol), buy outdated Chinese ones, or pay a big coward's premium to buy American as their onshore facilities get spun up.
american cope, china is too far away to be any threat to europe, unlike america that has troops in europe and spreads toxic culture to its 'allies'
Those troops are there at their request, retard. All it would take for the US to leave is asking. China is a threat to everyone as it fucks with international fishing and trade, and THANKFULLY the US and its allies are there to keep China penned up on its own shores like a good little yellow cuck.
they have already said that they wont help with taiwan or even help with economically isolating china.
the US foreign policy establishmnet thought that by helping euope with ukraine, they would get quid pro quo with taiwan.
they were wrong.
so put another notch under the consecutive failure column for US liberal hegemony foreign policy.
at this point, they have produced nothing but miserable failure for so long that it has to be intentional.
All the China stronk posters were Russia stronk posters two years ago. They’ll deny it because it’s humiliating to be so wrong but we know it’s true.
All of Europe will be useful in crushing China economically. China won’t be able to trade with Europe because the Europeans don’t want to turn their back on a democratic nation and China will be under blockade anyway.
The UK/France both have territorial claims in the pacific so they’re the most useful. I expect Poland will want to send a small expeditionary fighting force but will need help getting there.
>Whose fighting Chyna
Anglosphere (we numba one!), Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Others who may join France, Philippines, Poland, India.
China will be fighting all alone, under a blockade and getting its ports bombed continuously.
>the Europeans don’t want to turn their back on a democratic nation
Macron is just being the wests contrarian to cope with Frances and Macrons irrelevance in the modern world. He's basically just crying for attention.
Its almost as if Macron doesn't unilaterally speak for the French people/nation. Also, he didn't indicate that he wouldn't militarily join the a US led defense of Taiwan, just that he wouldn't do it blindly but on his terms...which ya know checks out for how the French have been for the last century at least.
Sorry mutt, we are not going to help you occupy/blackmail/extort the people of Taiwan.
Remove yourselves from the premises, empire time is over.
Come on, at least update your map for your shitty arguments.