Which country produces better guns, Russia or Czechia?

Which country produces better guns, Russia or Czechia?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most likely the Czechs. But its hard to make that call when so few people have access to modern Russian guns. Veprs were very well made fwiw, but they could have been an isolated case.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Czechs have the best lmg (zb 26), the best machine pistol (skorpion), some of the best pistols (cz 75, 82), the best .22s period, great mausers, and fine assault rifles in the vz 58 and the bren.
    The only small arm that russia has ever produced that could be considered best in class is the AK.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Czechia beyond a shadow of a doubt, I don't think there's ever been a point in history where firearm design was better in Russia than Czechia

      To play devil's advocate the PKM is an excellent machine gun, and a better MG than the AK is a rifle.
      I also consider the Vz.58 a superior rifle to the AK.

      >Post-2022 /k/ Rule 1. Russia bad. Always.

      So Czechs by default.

      moronic idiot that knows nothing about either historical or current Czech arms development. Way to project and out yourself as a newbie.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >moronic idiot that knows nothing about either historical or current Czech arms development. Way to project and out yourself as a newbie.
        Yeah that was definitely my point

        >post-22 /k/
        r*ssia has been a shithole since the dawn of time buddy

        >Russia bad. Always.
        Well its true

        lol

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      America has the best .22s, A180, slam fire Winchester 06, and hilarious .22 powered beehive 40mm are all cooler and more worth owning than Czechia’s admittedly high quality bolt actions. I’m just nitpicking though, you’re obviously right that they beat Russia.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Czechia beyond a shadow of a doubt, I don't think there's ever been a point in history where firearm design was better in Russia than Czechia

      To play devil's advocate the PKM is an excellent machine gun, and a better MG than the AK is a rifle.
      I also consider the Vz.58 a superior rifle to the AK.
      [...]
      moronic idiot that knows nothing about either historical or current Czech arms development. Way to project and out yourself as a newbie.

      Czechia arm industry used to be great pre-ww2, but they haven't really make an impact on the scene since their occupation by the soviet.

      Their more recent invention seems to be chasing innovation made by countries that were not crippled by 50 years of soviet control.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is the small arms innovation in the room with us right now?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Post-2022 /k/ Rule 1. Russia bad. Always.

    So Czechs by default.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Okay homosexual

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The mosin is one of the worst bolt guns, the nagant is one of the worst revolvers, their maxim was dragged down by the heaviest and stupidest mount for it in the world, the makarov is a ppk used as a service pistol, the ppsh 41 doesn't have mag compatibility, and while an optics ecosystem was developing near the end of the soviets, nothing the russians produced could match picatinny in capability. Aks are great, pks are great, and maybe thats all that truly matters but it points more to how much of a genius kalashnikov was than to the abilities of the russians as a nation

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >their maxim was dragged down by the heaviest and stupidest mount for it in the world
            MG08 sled mount is heavier, has like 5° of firing arc and doesn't gun shield nor wheels to make it easier to drag around

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Nagant revolver is Belgian

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only actually quality guns coming out of Russia, relative to everywhere else in comparable classes, were AKs because for the most part every country making AKs was even shittier than Russia. The tolerances for the platform are lower all around though so it didn't really matter. Nobody was making better AKs and for many years (particularly before the AR-15 patent ended and during/immediately after the AWB) it was certainly the best bang for your buck semi auto intermediate caliber rifle but at no point was it best in class.

      Really everything Russia makes that is competitive in international markets is based on the AK platform. Fine guns, some very neat ones like the veprs in hunting calibers. But there's a lot more variety in czech guns that are competitive internationally. Like for many years it was no problem to import Russian pistols but hardly anyone here bought anything except old surplus tokarevs and makarovs, not because they were good, but because they were cheap and the ammo was cheap.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >everything Russia makes that is competitive in international markets is based on the AK platform

        Didn't they have an AK platform for a grenade launcher using an oversized box magazine, as well as AK style auto-shotguns?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia bad. Always.
      Well its true

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >post-22 /k/
      r*ssia has been a shithole since the dawn of time buddy

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I really like my baikal and CZ discontinued the 527 so at this point I like Russia more. Also the PK is sexy and good and the Czechs never topped that. The Vz-58 is only liked by hipsters and people that can't own AKs, you cannot convince me otherwise. The CZ-75 is honestly the worst of the DA/SA wonder 9s and every clone of it (tanfo, jericho, etc) does it better in one way or another. I genuinely cannot think of any Czech guns I want

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Vz-58 is only liked by hipsters and people that can't own AKs, you cannot convince me otherwise.
      I fricking love my 58. I own a Yugo M70 as well but it just doesn't compare to the 58.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the Bugatti is only liked by people who can't own a honda civic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >jericho
      >good
      Found the schlomo

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hmm, difficult question OP. Which is better, the country world renowned for it's gunmaking, or the country which makes shit guns. It's impossible to say.

      I shot a Baikal at a clay shoot, the springs proined like a cheap kid's toy every time it closed, balanced like shit, recoiled like shit despite being a heavy gun, trigger was shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Vz-58 is only liked by hipsters and people that can't own AKs, you cannot convince me otherwise.
      I have both and the stock ergonomics are for the most part superior in the Vz. 58. Only the mag release is a bit odd and the fit of the mags tends to be a bit tight

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So pre-2022 this would have been a difficult question but the reality is that by now, sanctions have hurt Russia pretty badly in precision manufacturing processes. They can't get the parts, tools, materials, etc that they need to have good quality assurance, and that's even ignoring the fact that the companies are are building bulk shit for mobiks. So basically the war has, at least for now, meant the czechs are better gun-makers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The production culture has dropped since soviet times. Some old farts claim that old soviet shotguns were superior to current production, and I can see why.
      TSKiB has pretty much ceased their civilian firearms production, and they were making some of the finest and most ambitious guns.
      TOZ has cut their civilian guns list significantly.
      Kalashnikov mostly makes AKs, Anson-Deely SxS, a couple of semiauto shotguns, one break action rifle, some SVDs and a couple of bolt action rifles. They try to improve quality here and there, collect feedback, but since civilian gun market is not growing (thanks to sanctions and urban culture that doesn't promote gun ownership), they're not evolving as rapid as they would like to.
      Molot quality is dropping, since old stock of guns has ran out and most qualified personel is busy working on government orders.
      A couple of newer manufacturers have emerged. Tekhcrim is mostly making civilian stuff - pepper sprays (pretty good), hunting ammo, a couple of self-defense pistols (overpriced conversions of Norinco and philippino guns) and some other crap.
      A couple of companies are making ARs, and they're quite alright, but pricey.
      Orsis was interesting as a hunting and prescision rifle manufacturer, but they've temporarily shut their civilian production.
      Lobaev makes some scandalous claims and promotes his guns through his TG channel, Tarkov and various Ukraine War footage.
      There are some other gun makers, but they're mostly about benchrest, prescision fire wank, they're quite boring nevermind that they've developed their own systems.

      Anyway, I'm choosing a hunting rifle and if I could I'd buy me a CZ550, Voere 2155 or Zastava M70 - mainly because having Mauser action rifle is a fetish, but also becasue they're well made and there is plenty of used CZs on second hand market.

      >They can't get the parts, tools, materials, etc
      China and Turkey sell lots of things.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Many Russian civvie guns have shit accuracy because they have to have those chambers that mark the case with a bulge

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, the case or bullet identification marks aren't that bad. Not anymore, at least. If that's what you're talking about.
          One of the reasons why civilian firearms here are mediocre is because of how small the civilian gun market is. 90s shock therapy has left the government with empty pockets, general population with their pants down, and complete lack of means and ideas on what to do with all the things. The revenue from selling people new guns wasn't that big, the flow of foreign guns was significant, and government had no way to impose any protectionist measures even if they would like to. So, modernising the production lines, maintaining the workplace prestige, and keeping wages on decent level at once was quite difficult, even after the 2000s oil money flow. I guess the only flourishing gun industry 20 years ago was the ammo industry, in particular Tula and Barnaul plants

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            30 years later

            >hhuuuurgh but muh nineties muh schlock terrapy

            Frick off pidor

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Apples and oranges. What we can make is pretty good even compared on the global scale. On the other hand we can't produce many basic and advanced systems like IFVs, tanks, helicopters, proper jets, naval vessels (obviously), ballisic missiles, etc.
    Considering only small arms for average consumer I'd say we won.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      your rm-70s wake me up every morning for the past couple of days

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is aids a weapon?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Making new shit > ricing out an AK until it begs you to kill it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >new shit
      >european polymer ar18 no, 949128429389284

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russians can't even innovate that much after the USSR shit itself

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Czech products are known for good craftsmanship.

    Russia has never been about quality. They've always gone with quantity, simplicity and resulting availability and durability. Anything more advances was always finicky and unreliable. They're good where solid raw metal works, large numbers and stuff you wan't to be able to fix and maintain yourself with bare minimum of tools. Never buy into anything else Russian ( like someone asking premium, claiming rare collectible ) or claiming extreme precision unless it's a 100ton steel pipe.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What makes quality, things being refined or the things that work? If they work, wouldn't that make them decent quality things?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, you moronic child

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Czechia, no contest, Bruno was better quality than anything ever made in Rearass

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian shit always felt like it was made by some orc who figured out how a machine shop runs. Simple and good "enough" to toss into hands of morons suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome. Czech stuff feels like a blend of Russian simplicity in their designs with a touch of German autism. Czech finishing is still sub par with most of their production guns, pistols especially, looking like they were finished inside the Keebler house with a chisel but they're still somehow really smooth shooting.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Czechs are discount Germans. They make relatively high quality stuff but it's up market. Russians are discount chinks. They make trash but it's cheap and plentiful.

    Or so at least it has been for most of history.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >discount germans
      you mean the dutch?

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the best weapons manufacturers in the world versus the AK12 and Vityaz (a Bizon without the SOVL)
    yeah

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >r*ssia
    >da tovaritsxh eigor, we are of take ak and put on the rail of capitalist pig dog USA to attach the sight of ACOG we are stole
    >this is glorious achievement and improvement of ak of migail galasnikov!

    >Czechia
    >Yes my friend Jakub, today we are invent new weapon on our own
    >we will use experience learned on previous project to make improvement on, but not use old weapon as base of new one
    >is going to be good gun

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>we will use experience learned on previous project to make improvement on, but not use old weapon as base of new one
      >>is going to be good gun
      And then there's CZ600, that's worse in every possible way

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >CZ600
        The worst thing about it is you can clearly tell they've run out of ideas and have started chasing trends for no other reason than other companies are doing it.

        It even has one of those gay little striker covers which follows the line of the stock to visually blend the receiver. So because they concealed the position of the striker with a pointless cap, they had to put on a wienering indicator.

        I've given up on bolt action hunting rifles getting better, I think they're just going to be ugly pieces of shit forever. Howa haven't gone full uggo but it's only a matter of time. The quality of their stocks is already in the toilet.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I've given up on bolt action hunting rifles getting better, I think they're just going to be ugly pieces of shit forever.
          We still have Zastava that doesn't seem to reform into anything new since the 80s, Winchester 70 and some Rem700 clones as well. And there's a lot of gunstock makers.
          Speaking of good look, I've seen a takedown Mauser by Gibbs, which had a suppressor thread covered by the cap, integrated into the front sight. So, it looked retro enough and it looked practical. Just slide the bead and turn the cap. Makes me wonder why other manufacturers don't make them like that.

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