Where would you even use this?

Tech specs says it is not for fixtures.
A fixture is defined as anything affixed view screw, nail, glue, etc.

So if you screw a light into this, you're breaking the NEC. Screw a wall scone? Breaking NEC.

Apparently this is just for a random light switch? Or round outlet? What the fuck?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Every receptacle in that picture is / would use one of these.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The receptacle is not the point here, it's the use case.

        [...]
        Not to mention the specs LITERALLY say not for fixtures or support in ceilings... and you posted a ceiling.

        You're using a dictionary definition of fixture and not a code definiton.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Possibly because nec does not define fixture, maybe?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're both wrong. The index redirects 'fixtures' to 'Luminaires', which the NEC does define. A projector falls under the definition of luminaire, so that's a code violation.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        protip buy the boxes with metal wings, plastic wings suck ass. The box being plastic is fine though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/VTBfoux.jpg

      Every receptacle in that picture is / would use one of these.

      Not to mention the specs LITERALLY say not for fixtures or support in ceilings... and you posted a ceiling.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >not intended for fixture or support in ceilings
    >op thinks this includes fixtures in walls
    Idk why we let americans use english language lol.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on how "or" is used.
      Is it saying:
      fixtures in ceilings OR support in ceilings.
      or
      Fixtures. Support in ceilings.

      Obviously it could be used for wall applications, but they are marketed as putting in ceilings.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the entire electrical world is fucked until you get too industrial, then it run by pro's and 65-year-old chain smoking crack heads.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You have to be doing something right to make it to 65 while also being a crack head.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Motion sensor? Google is showing all sorts of ceiling pull switch types of things that I've never seen before. Quite odd.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i use these fuckers in the ceiling so fucking much it would make your head spin, op. dont be such a pussy. rules are meant to be broken. just dont hang a ceiling fan from one. for that you need a fancake or a spreader bar or a fan rated smart box.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, we usually use pancakes.
      But we have some relatively heavy pendants to install on a new construction and it has to be inspected, so I don't want inspector asshole to ding us for improper box.
      The boxes in op have a weight limit of 5 lbs, regardless.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you using these on new construction? I only ever use them on aremodel and i try to add wood bracing behind the box. The drywall ears are rarely enough to hold a light fixture. The plastic bix itself is just as strong as a regular plastic nail-on box thats rated for 30 pounds or whatever. If you can hit some wood with a couple 4" screws it will hold.

        Use the expanding/spreader bar style remodel fan octagon boxes though. They are more expensive but worth the time savings and less hassle. The box is also metal so the fixture screws thread right in like ice cream when you're trying to hang the pendant later. Hanging lights off stubborn plastic boxes makes me want to punch babies.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This looks like it's for one of those flush LED fixtures considering they're not for anything heavier than 5lbs.
    And no, it doesn't break NEC.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Except it says not for ceiling fixtures or support.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not "intended". It's definitely not a junction box.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's definitely not a junction box.
          From Carlon's website-

          The B618R is a round old work outlet box and is not listed for fixture support in the ceiling....
          >The B618R can be used in the ceiling as a junction box.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You install a bracket or brace above the box and attach the box to the brace. Then you hang your ceiling fan. No inspector would fail the bracket and round box configuration.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The specifically changed code ro say ceiling boxes need to be stamped with their weight rating. Because normies keep finding ways to hang ceilings on them.

          >earlier this year remodeling
          Ah yes, a metal box for the previous ceiling fan. Interesting the box seems totally loose. I'll just tighten these bolts here. Oh no. They're like 6" away from the blocking beam. Who the fuck did this ot probably cost more than just buying a fucking thing for this.

          Why the fuck would anyone use a round box for a ceiling switch or receptacle?

          [...]
          Smoke detectors use square boxes. Wireless access points are low voltage and would use orange.

          Get the fuck out

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Smoke detector/strobe devices for fire alarm systems? Or occupancy sensors for a wattstopper type digital lighting management system?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In a ceiling.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't give a fuck what the NEC has to say. Enjoy your $55 mandated AFCI/GFCI combo breakers and 99% of outlets in the entire house having to be GFCI next year, codelets.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To keep flammable insulation away from the hot bulbs.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Where would you even use this?
    Smoke/CO detectors and wireless access points.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno, maybe for an "installed ceiling switch or receptacle"?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why the fuck would anyone use a round box for a ceiling switch or receptacle?

      >Where would you even use this?
      Smoke/CO detectors and wireless access points.

      Smoke detectors use square boxes. Wireless access points are low voltage and would use orange.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Smoke detectors use square boxes.
        Hmm. I used round for all 9 smoke/CO/heat sensors in my house.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        in the case of a receptacle, because they are often installed in locations where they have to go regardless of where framing might be, like for power to a projector or monitor or other specific equipment, and you dont have to try to make a box line up with the walls so it looks right and not crooked. Also way easier to saw a hole than cut a straight sided hole when working overhead.
        Why the fuck would anyone go to the expense and hassle of using a box rated for a light fixture or a fan to support something that weighs a few ounces?

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Square things in the ceiling look like shit, but round things look nice.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh code
    i have never looked at 'the code' and i did all the plumbing and electrical for my house. Suck my weenus

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