It doesnt matter, it instantly, permanently, and forever BTFOs all >BUHH BUHH BUHHH U CANT MAKE AMMO U CANT MAKE BARREL U CANT MAKE PRIMER
fags.
They have absolutely no response to it, all they can do is ignore it. Actually look through this thread, every fifteen posts someone trots out one of those gay points, and someone posts the funny cyberpunk plastic pump action and all the blackpilled noguns eurofags just ignore it, wait a dozen more posts, then repost "HUH HUH HUH U CANT MAKE AMMO".
It's been 10 years since pic related and it hasn't gone anywhere. Only Myanmar has a relevant 3dp scene and it's because they're fighting a guerilla war in the jungle with scrap metal and solar powered laptops.
>gone from shitty single shot 9mm that sometimes exploded to firearms that can be made very easily with nothing but plastic and a couple hardware store parts >gone nowhere
even if you only look a shit like glawk frames and AR lowers its a world of difference.
you can make pretty much anything with tools. most people can't. most people can make something with a 3d printer, that is the difference. just because something does not apply to you does not mean it doesn't have value.
if you can make a gun with a 3d printer, you can do it with metal
the only part that's 3d printed is the receiver, you still need a bolt and barrel etc which are all metal
there is no source for 9mm barrels other than aliexpress "explosion proof tubing"
remember that when speaking to these shills
>you still need a bolt and barrel etc which are all metal
you can buy a barrel online if you're 9 years old and stole your mom's credit card in the US. The cool part is being able to easily manufacture serialized parts, which in the US at least barrels and bolts generally are not.
1 month ago
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>you can buy the barrel online
so what's stopping them from banning barrels if banning the receiver didn't work?
all this is doing is kicking the can down the road, it's not solving anything long term
barrels and pressure containing components are already regulated items in lots of countries
1 month ago
Anonymous
I feel like the skill level to make anything out of metal is much higher than 3d printing, not to mention barrier to entry. More tools are required to work with metal.
As far as solving things longterm rome wasnt built in a day. All these advancements are steps towards the larger goal. Crude bolts and barrels can and have been made, i.e. the rebels in myanmar.
Home made ammo is also being worked on.
What would be the tipping point for you to accept them as viable arms?
1 month ago
Anonymous
3d printed guns are still made of metal
1 month ago
Anonymous
Dont be a pedantic gay, you know what i mean.
1 month ago
Anonymous
no, you still have to work with metal
if you have to work with metal, it's not 3d printed, only the receiver is
if only the receiver is printed, why even bother?
just use steel square tubing for a receiver
1 month ago
Anonymous
You can always build a black powder pump action completely out of plastic.
1 month ago
Anonymous
As i said the barrier to entry for is much lower with a 3d printer for most people. Nearly every step with 3d printing is cheaper and easier. Even the home made edm barrels are simple and cheap.
A block of steel is expensive and building jigs so every cut cut and hole is correct is not as simple as downloading a file and printing it.
In America the receiver is the firearm so it is 3d printed.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Even the home made edm barrels are simple and cheap.
those don't exist, you still need to buy "9mm explosion proof tube" aka barrels off aliexpress
that's like buying a "glock airsoft autoswitch" then claiming oh it's just airsoft bro
yeah buy the airsoft suppressors too while you're at it >a block of steel
nobody makes guns from a block of steel >in america the rules are x
who cares, in america i can buy an 80% ar and glock and have it delivered to my front door with no transfers or paperwork, and they would be much fucking better guns
1 month ago
Anonymous
>nobody makes guns from a block of steel
This was the point where everyone gained license to ignore you, you slackjawed retard.
1 month ago
Anonymous
how so?
square tubing isn't a block of steel
sounds like you're just rage quitting
1 month ago
Anonymous
Anon those steel pipes off aliexpress are suggested because ordering from mcmaster carr would be like $200.
>nobody uses blocks of steel
What the fuck do you think milling is?
How would you like to define what a gun is then?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Anon those steel pipes off aliexpress are suggested because ordering from mcmaster carr would be like $200.
can you link me the barrel off mcmaster?
i asked cathode glow to link me the barrel of mcmaster carr and he wasn't able to
1 month ago
Anonymous
Not anymore sadly, they no longer carry the sizes required, only much bigger stuff for quite awhile now, but of course people still recommend them thoughtlessly because McMaster is a force of nature in the United States. There's a reason none of the ECM guides include McMaster part numbers the way so many other build-guides do. Aliexpress and eBay are the only consistent ways to get small lengths and quantities, most suppliers of this type of material in the United States are industrial and deal with large orders from large clients, they don't have online stores or sell to average-Joe. In some cases, you can find local hydraulic equipment suppliers/outfitters/repair shops that keep this kind of stuff on hand, but finding the specific sizes required would take some luck. 8x16mm or 5/16"x5/8" for 380 or 9mm.
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alright retards, listen up and listen closely
>3d printer
$200 if you're doing it right >ECM setup
~200-250. you can now make a subgun or even rifle in 9mm, and print shit for fancy 12ga shotguns.
OR >bridgeport
in usable condition, $2000 >lathe
depending on what you plan on doing with it, ~$1200 to another $2000 or better >metal brake
might find one used for a few hundred bucks, or make your own shitty one for a hundred or so >shipping, installation, wiring, tooling
at least another $3000. hope you have 240v on tap, too, otherwise you'll have to call the electric company and see if you can get another line or two set up. these machines don't run on 110v >rifling setup
either ECM on top of everything else, or figure out how to make rifling mandrels work in a home setting. button rifling is out of the question. you have now spent +$10,000 and you can make the same shitty ass zip guns that the guy with a 3d printer has been making for the last 3 months while you got your WHOLE ASS MACHINE SHOP set up in your garage.
i am a machinist. i know what I'm talking about when i throw these numbers around. you are suggesting people make a massive fucking investment that will never pay off to make the same shitty zip guns you can make with a bucket of fucking salt water and a printer.
go fuck yourselves. metalworking is based, it is a great skill, it is not and never will be accessible to the average joe in the way you want it to be or mistakenly think it is
Would it be possible to use one of the larger round tubes that are rated for 100Kpsi and sleeve it with a weaker tube or is that just a bomb in so many steps?
I.e
https://www.mcmaster.com/8806T23/ titanium pipe rated to 105kpsi, OD 3/4 ID 0.672"
https://www.mcmaster.com/1705T28/ Brass tube rated to 60Kpsi, OD 5/8"~0.625" ID 3/8"
probably not those exact ones, but something along those lines. I'm lazy and don't want to look for better options if the basic idea isn't going to work. I don't know how you would secure one within the other but if it's possible then they would get around buying "explosion rated" pipes off aliexpress.
1 month ago
Anonymous
you will have a barrel that won't explode but will be viable for exactly one shot maybe
1 month ago
Anonymous
I mean i guess weve got to start somewhere.
I really don't know, what would happen and why would it not work? I got the idea from resleeving shot out barrels but besides knowing its a thing I have no idea.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Not anymore sadly, they no longer carry the sizes required, only much bigger stuff for quite awhile now, but of course people still recommend them thoughtlessly because McMaster is a force of nature in the United States. There's a reason none of the ECM guides include McMaster part numbers the way so many other build-guides do. Aliexpress and eBay are the only consistent ways to get small lengths and quantities, most suppliers of this type of material in the United States are industrial and deal with large orders from large clients, they don't have online stores or sell to average-Joe. In some cases, you can find local hydraulic equipment suppliers/outfitters/repair shops that keep this kind of stuff on hand, but finding the specific sizes required would take some luck. 8x16mm or 5/16"x5/8" for 380 or 9mm.
There are metal shops all over the place that sell retail quantities.
onlinemetals.com is a huge one.
metalsupermarkets.com has a lot of retail locations nationwide
Those are just the two I've used offhand. There are lots more. You just have to look.
1 month ago
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I'm quite familiar with both of those! Neither of them carry what's required for making barrels, so a bit pointless there. >most suppliers of this type of material in the United States are industrial and deal with large orders from large clients, they don't have online stores or sell to average-Joe >In some cases, you can find local hydraulic equipment suppliers/outfitters/repair shops that keep this kind of stuff on hand
1 month ago
Anonymous
What specifically are people looking for for barrels?
1 month ago
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1 month ago
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Would this work? It's not intentionally tailor-made for the purpose, obv, but the measurements are close.
https://www.onlinemetals.com/en/buy/carbon-steel/0-625-od-x-0-156-wall-x-0-313-id-carbon-steel-round-tube-a513-type-5-dom/pid/7840
1 month ago
Anonymous
Absolutely not, suicide tube.
1 month ago
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'splain, pl0x, I haz teh dumbs
1 month ago
Anonymous
It's too soft, and it's too weak. Not even strong enough to safely fire 32ACP.
Bruh, Paki monkeys in caves in Waziristan and Flip monkeys in, I dunno, tin shacks I guess all over their archipelago, make functioning firearms somehow using not much more than charcoal and files. Are you telling me that first-world educated geniuses with internet access can't possibly work this shit out too?
>Are you telling me that first-world educated geniuses with internet access can't possibly work this shit out too?
They often don't.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
What would you need for black powder barrel?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
to use more than once? metal. brass will do for BP but i think it's much hotter burning so plastic will work even worse.
4 weeks ago
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How many psi i mean.
4 weeks ago
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way less psi, burns slower.
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People have made multi shot black powder guns out of plastic.
sure, sure. but no.
4 weeks ago
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>sure, sure. but no.
There was an example posted several times in this very thread retard.
4 weeks ago
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Hard to say. Its based on pressure curves which is variable, especially if you're using homemade bp and thats not even considering granulation size. You can get by with a lot less but it's better to be safe. 4140 tubing if you can get it.
4 weeks ago
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to use more than once? metal. brass will do for BP but i think it's much hotter burning so plastic will work even worse.
People have made multi shot black powder guns out of plastic.
4 weeks ago
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Less than what you'd expect for typical cartridges, but still quite a lot. Depending on your choice of powder projectile, it's not odd to see black powder chamber pressures exceeding that of 45ACP. You get a lot of control over what goes in your black powder gun, don't doubt how much power you can get out of one, black powder shooters regularly push well past the muzzle energy of 7.62x39 out of an equivalent length barrel. You can, of course, also push the power way down if you so choose. With the right choice of powder, barrel, and bullet, and a willingness to compromise, you could do loadings that can be shot out of a glass test tube without breaking it.
I don't understand the mindset of these people. If they had their way we would have abandoned 3d printed guns after the liberator. There's no way for the technology to advance without people using it and exploring what's possible. It's almost like they don't want firearms to become more accessable.
>gone from shitty single shot 9mm that sometimes exploded to firearms that can be made very easily with nothing but plastic and a couple hardware store parts >gone nowhere
even if you only look a shit like glawk frames and AR lowers its a world of difference.
Zoomers are spoiled and have a warped sense of progress. Imagine going back 300 years and seeing this kind of development in firearms from 1713-1723
These guns aren't relevent in myanmar, in the early stages of the coup school children were trying to take on the army with air rifles and fire cracker bombs. Anne frank beats hitler levels of cope and half these stupid urban kids were killed.
>it's just cool because it let's individuals make stuff
Yeah probably one of the greatest advances for individual forearm rights of the past 300 years retard.
>discounts the ability to produce complex internal geometry
Again you're a retard. Look at what 3d printing has done for suppressors.
The fcg 9 is literally a 3d printed submachinegun and can be made without any restricted parts. The barrel is a piece of hydraulic tubing with electro discharge machined chamber and rifling using a 3d printed jig, a car battery, and a bucket of salt water.
Anon there are Myanmar rebels using them in large numbers RIGHT NOW. These azns are actually fighting an insurgency with this shit.
>spherical projectile
So basically the accuracy of a paint ball. Don't pack yourself on the back to early, sonny.
>verification not required
You can melt lead on your stove top and make some conical bullets if you are willing to make or acquire a mold for them. Where there's a will, there's a way.
>You can melt lead on your stove top and make some conical bullets if you are willing to make or acquire a mold for them. Where there's a will, there's a way.
The specific design being discussed is completely plastic (except for copper wire used to ignite the powder). Plastic barrel, plastic chamber, all of it.
Is it necessary? No, however It PROVES for ALL TIME that noguns fags who claim getting a gun is "impossible" and "UHHHH 3D GUN USELESS I CANT PRINT A PRIMER" doomer fags are wrong and gay and will NEVER recover.
Still need the ammunition. If you have access to ammo, it's likely you also have access to real guns, which are better than their 3D printed counterparts. If you don't have access to ammo, the Bunnings blunderbuss is a superior firearm to a 3D printed gun you can't shoot.
3D printed weapons are really only useful where guns are few and yet ammo is plentiful. Outside of a guerilla war (
It's been 10 years since pic related and it hasn't gone anywhere. Only Myanmar has a relevant 3dp scene and it's because they're fighting a guerilla war in the jungle with scrap metal and solar powered laptops.
Sorry grandpa, the very first reply in this thread is a completely plastic multi shot firearm that requires no cases, no primers, no factory made projectile (any correctly sized sphere will do) and uses black powder that anyone can make at home.
You know people were reliably killing each other with such things for hundreds of years right?
What am I saying, you get your ideas about smooth bores from television.
>. If you have access to ammo, it's likely you also have access to real guns
you can DIY 9mm ammo without any regulations in most of the world
powder and priming compound from HILTI nail blanks (unregulated) are used to rearm once fired cases with dented primers (unregulated) and shove a new projectile (also unregulated) on top
Reminds me of a common argument people had with JStark: it still needs ammo, and if you can find ammo, you can find guns. Making a big 9mm carbine was a terrible idea considering how uncommon it is, when there's so much 22lr around, and when the prefered gun would be a concealable handgun. And for this there are much better designs, like pic related.
JStark said 9mm was easy to find, but he just did the ammo carousel across Europe, which is an easy way to get caught. We don't know how he got caught but I wouldn't be surprised if this is the cause.
Stark got caught a few months after he did that interview. Plenty of anons (myself included) said that it was a fatal mistake when it happened. One anon even wrote down a list of identifying stuff that could be seen in the video to easily figure out who he was, if you had state level resources.
All they had to do was pull the cell phone or credit/debit card records of the journalist that interviewed him and then you'd have his rough location. After that it would be trivial for any kind of national intelligence agency to figure out who their man was.
That being said, you're right. If you don't want to get bagged you need to keep any potentially suHispanicious purchases off the books (meaning don't purchase online) or avoid them entirely.
3D printed AT and grenade launchers are genuinely effective, the latter most effectively on quadcopters.
The SMGs seem at least on par with other improvised sub guns. The rifles and handguns do not compare to factory made weapons, but still inexpensive to manufacture.
Overall, these 3D printed weapons are inexpensive to manufacture and more accessible each year. The grenades and grenade launchers have already been battle tested in Europe. Improvised weapons are central to guerrilla warfare, and Ukraine seems to employ guerrilla tactics to great effect, much like China and the Phillipines did against the Japanese invasion and occupation in WWII.
How about mortars?
Also what else can you do with ECM? Can you manufacture car engine parts?
Has anyone tried putting a steel plate in a solution you want to accumulate on it, which makes it bullet resistant?
>Also what else can you do with ECM? Can you manufacture car engine parts?
The ECM stuff I've seen is nowhere nearly accurate enough for that. You can build an EDM for a couple of hundred bucks, which will be accurate enough.
Looking Syria today, mortars are more often manufactured from steel. Recoilless rifles and grenade launchers such as a panzerfaust and bazooka style designs are real and functional. You could feasibly mass manufacture a field style mortar launcher, but larger improvised mortars and rockets typically require something larger than a 3D printer. We have seen grenade launcher and quadcopter grenade/mortars printed in the Ukraine war.
>Looking at* Syria today, mortars are more often manufactured from steel.
Rocket engines can be improvised from basic rocket sugar. The 3D printed rocket launcher pictured above employs a basic RPG design with folding fins and a simple solid rocket engine.
People will return to and revive black powder muzzleloaders/zip guns before they unironically even try 3D printed dogshit. They’re a meme because it all sucks and you can re-invent the wheel out of polymer in your garage leading to some second renaissance of home “gun smithing”
Anon, there have been plenty of 3D printing related busts in other countries. DIY weaponry is common in Brazil, and sometimes comes up in Australia as well.
Pic is a bust from Finland.
It's not that hard to get access to ammunition, it's much harder to get a gun illegally.
You can get a few errand boys to buy guns legally, and have them distribute that ammo towards you. Or get an illegal seller that procures it.
If you haven't noticed, most buy and bust operations for firearms are related to the actual gun, not the ammunition. Law enforcement focuses on preventing guns from getting on the streets, rather than the actual ammunition.
If you're a crime boss and you could arm your people with near anonymity, why bother getting real illegal guns for more money and risk?
It's almost impossible. The reason why 3D printers exploded over the last 15 years was because people figured out that you can build them with off-the-shelf electronic and mechanical components and then open sourced it.
>drones >regulated
Lol.
The regulations on drones are unenforceable. Go ask the PrepHole drone thread what they think of the FAA and everyone in there will say "Who cares lmao just don't fly near the airport and you won't get caught."
head to the arewecoolyet wtf site. pick your favorite wacky weapon, and look at the build instructions. It's not hard, but it's not instant, and it's not cheap for the parts you can't print. the realization it actually requires time effort and money are what keep it niche. people have accepted mostly plastic guns: look at all the polymer shit. 3d printing is improving on quality, ease of use, even materials every year, while getting cheaper. so the only thing is people being lazy.
With Home C&C machines becoming cheaper and cheaper, it wouldn't be surprising to see out of production rare firearms and components (among other unmentionables) functionally crafted at home by hobbyists.
3D printing alone, with rifles like Hoffman Tactical's Orca thing, are already demonstrating that gun law & copyright law at large will have to go through some major coping in the future. I don't really know, but access to functional automatic firearms at large by everyone with the ability to download and execute a file is already possible now, and its historical waves will probably be epic style.
>I never really understood the point of this supposed revolution.
ammunition is usually not well controlled, and when it is controlled the resources to make it are almost certainly not well controlled.
barrels were solved with ECM which can be accomplished with $150 worth of hardware store supplies. the rest of the gun is printable
you just need to take a closer look at what's been going on. it's not 2012 anymore where the liberator is the hottest shit. most new 3d printed guns are hybrid models that use off the shelf, unregulated parts for the barrel/slide etc and print the receivers
>barrels were solved
No they aren't, the only source of barrels is "explosion proof tubing" from aliexpress
This is on the tier of "airsoft glock autoswitch"
>This is on the tier of "airsoft glock autoswitch"
bro seamless pipe is used widely, it's not sold in hopes of catching the DIY gun barrel market, it's sold for hydraulics. "Explosion proof tubing" my ass, there are suppliers in every major city in the world, same way you can reasonably expect there to be someone who sells lumber, and someone who sells bolts and screws. Just because YOU get on Aliexpress and type in "Explosion Proof Tube" doesn't mean everyone else is incompetent and underaged like you are.
When Métral wrote his guide to a "resistance smg" he, like a lot of good hearted patriots, underestimated how much contempt an occupier has towards his subjects.
In the 90s and early 2000s when Switzerland ceded its sovreignty and became an EU tributary state the laws massively restricted.
Full autos, semi autos, ammunition and barrel blanks, once freely available became heavily restricted.
I keep talking with Métral on gunshows, hell I even bought a gun or two off of him but he did not grasp the seriousnes of this.
Means of production, like lathes, milling machines, 3D printers, ghost gunners etc can and will be siezed my anyone with a malicious intent, based on sales records/toll paperwork/shipping manifests/machinist apprenticeship background.
The nazis used the records of gun ownership to collect the registered guns of the french. Your silly "hurr lost inna boating accident" will get you shot faster than you can mutter bu bu burden of proof.
Yes, the poles built a lot of guns for the resistance under nazi occupation, war time rationing etc but thats just it. If you think its only in wartime that confiscation and tyranny can happen you are wrong. The worst time for a people as a whole is in peacetime when no one wants to "rock the boat" when they make their moves against you.
Nowhere. Learn polymer molding if you want to fabricate polymers. The closest you'll get to working gun parts with point-and-click ease is a CNC mill. Once cheap ones are strong enough to mill high carbon steel there's no question these cheap plastic ovens will have no place in weapons manufacturing. The tech is stalled and there isn't much more reason to push forward when polymer fabrication is already a science. If you want a thing made of polymer, make a fucking mold and fill it so you can actually use a decent grade of polymer. 3D printers have to use shit tier low heat polymers that break easily. These are for printing things like sporks or a weak picture frame.
ITT: 3D printed guns remain useless and gay, being inferior to a fucking spear in most cases. Get into metalworking gay zoomers.
>Get into metalworking gay zoomers.
basically this
if you can make a gun with a 3d printer, you can do it with metal
the only part that's 3d printed is the receiver, you still need a bolt and barrel etc which are all metal
there is no source for 9mm barrels other than aliexpress "explosion proof tubing"
remember that when speaking to these shills
>Even the home made edm barrels are simple and cheap.
those don't exist, you still need to buy "9mm explosion proof tube" aka barrels off aliexpress
that's like buying a "glock airsoft autoswitch" then claiming oh it's just airsoft bro
yeah buy the airsoft suppressors too while you're at it >a block of steel
nobody makes guns from a block of steel >in america the rules are x
who cares, in america i can buy an 80% ar and glock and have it delivered to my front door with no transfers or paperwork, and they would be much fucking better guns
alright retards, listen up and listen closely
>3d printer
$200 if you're doing it right >ECM setup
~200-250. you can now make a subgun or even rifle in 9mm, and print shit for fancy 12ga shotguns.
OR >bridgeport
in usable condition, $2000 >lathe
depending on what you plan on doing with it, ~$1200 to another $2000 or better >metal brake
might find one used for a few hundred bucks, or make your own shitty one for a hundred or so >shipping, installation, wiring, tooling
at least another $3000. hope you have 240v on tap, too, otherwise you'll have to call the electric company and see if you can get another line or two set up. these machines don't run on 110v >rifling setup
either ECM on top of everything else, or figure out how to make rifling mandrels work in a home setting. button rifling is out of the question. you have now spent +$10,000 and you can make the same shitty ass zip guns that the guy with a 3d printer has been making for the last 3 months while you got your WHOLE ASS MACHINE SHOP set up in your garage.
i am a machinist. i know what I'm talking about when i throw these numbers around. you are suggesting people make a massive fucking investment that will never pay off to make the same shitty zip guns you can make with a bucket of fucking salt water and a printer.
go fuck yourselves. metalworking is based, it is a great skill, it is not and never will be accessible to the average joe in the way you want it to be or mistakenly think it is
>button rifling is out of the question
I hate that little gays try to paint button rifling as easy peasy "watch youtube you can do it with a hammer" bullshit. They hammer shitty Chinese and Ukrainian miss-spec'd buttons through pipes without nearly enough wall thickness and produce shit-tier legitimately dangerous barrels. If you want to make barrels for fun at home, just do ECM, it ticks all of the boxes and you get nice picture-guides and video walkthroughs that tell you exactly how to do it without blowing your hand off.
if you can button rifle your barrel with a hammer, guess what, your barrel is made of shit fuckin chinesium that is likely incalculably worse than hardened hydraulic tubing. there is a reason why ECM (or more properly EDM, electronic discharge machining) is used: you can work any ferrous material with it regardless of yield strength or hardness, becausd it's a chemical reaction, not a physical cut. it takes a unique machine tl properly button rifle and stress relieve a barrel. actually, that's another thing those fags probably don't mention. you need to stress relieve after button rifling or your barrel will crack.
>it takes a unique machine tl properly button rifle and stress relieve a barrel. actually, that's another thing those fags probably don't mention. you need to stress relieve after button rifling or your barrel will crack.
You're retarded and button rifling is easy. You get on Aliexpress, search "steel tube 8mm 12mm", you want 8mm id and 2mm thick walls like a Glock barrel obviously so 12mm od. Then find a "9mm Universal Rifling Button" that definitely isn't sized for 9x18 Makarov, pinky-swear, and hammer the bitch through chasing it with a 1/4" piece of all-thread. Chamber it in your drill press with a 25/64 bit, send it. Safe and effective, works 100% of the time, this is how the pros do it probably.
you are baiting me. the only reason I'm replying to you is because i don't want someone to think this is the proper way to do it. this is not how professionals do it
1 month ago
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But the people on reddit told me it'd be fine. I thought they'd be the experts, they sure SOUND like experts. Are underaged europoors on the internet not trustworthy when it comes to this sort of thing? I'm shocked an appalled.
1 month ago
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goatse
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1 month ago
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>Arse 'n' all
1 month ago
Anonymous
>this is not how professionals do it
We aren't professionals, though. We're trying to make functioning weapons for fun and in case of bans.
If you want to be a professional about it, you can buy barrel blanks from dozens of sources, or invest in a lathe, mill, and grinder, maybe an EDM as well, and make a rifling machine.
1 month ago
Anonymous
moron be careful with your shitty replies. This post
>it takes a unique machine tl properly button rifle and stress relieve a barrel. actually, that's another thing those fags probably don't mention. you need to stress relieve after button rifling or your barrel will crack.
You're retarded and button rifling is easy. You get on Aliexpress, search "steel tube 8mm 12mm", you want 8mm id and 2mm thick walls like a Glock barrel obviously so 12mm od. Then find a "9mm Universal Rifling Button" that definitely isn't sized for 9x18 Makarov, pinky-swear, and hammer the bitch through chasing it with a 1/4" piece of all-thread. Chamber it in your drill press with a 25/64 bit, send it. Safe and effective, works 100% of the time, this is how the pros do it probably.
was blatantly and obviously sarcastic as fuck, describing exactly how internet retards get themselves hurt doing stupid shit.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Bruh, Paki monkeys in caves in Waziristan and Flip monkeys in, I dunno, tin shacks I guess all over their archipelago, make functioning firearms somehow using not much more than charcoal and files. Are you telling me that first-world educated geniuses with internet access can't possibly work this shit out too?
>at least another $3000. hope you have 240v on tap, too, otherwise you'll have to call the electric company and see if you can get another line or two set up. these machines don't run on 110v
What ancient hellhole in the US doesn't have 240V? Who is such failure at life they can't easily afford a workshop (makes life better, saves money and increases abiities over time) but has money to piss away on safe queens?
Machine shops promptly pay themselves off if you're serious about DIY including working on everything you own which I do. The average joe won't 3D print either because those people are not techies which means they're barely human.
The truthpill is the DIY capabilities which permit weapons manufacture for fun (they're toys after all) are so insanely useful elsewhere they're more worth having than firearms.
>What ancient hellhole in the US doesn't have 240V? Who is such failure at life they can't easily afford a workshop (makes life better, saves money and increases abiities over time) but has money to piss away on safe queens?
all of this is wrong. most people have one or two 240v lines running to the kitchen and washroom, for appliances. only a handful have both an outbuilding and an outbuilding equipped with 240v. also, its way easier to afford a couple guns and some ammo instead of a home machine shop.
>Machine shops promptly pay themselves off if you're serious about DIY including working on everything you own which I do.
good for you. most people don't want or can't spend every moment at home dicking around with some bullshit the local farmer needs. how did you pay off your home machine shop in a reasonable time frame? what jobs did you take?
personally i like how 3d printer folks plan around shitty materials. better designs lower the investment cost and increase the quality of garage DIY guns. that doesn't mean plastic will ever be practical except for superfluous parts where wood is better anyway because sex.
the shit materials are a pretty solid constraint that requires logic and innovation to circumvent. restrictions and confines are as useful to design as possibility in some cases
Honestly its more a "this site is not worth the minimul extra effort it takes over the old version when both the old version was irritating and PrepHole is barely worth talking on" issue.
Its a personal decision thing
Fuck mabye im just lazy
The problem is those Chinese lathes are so shitty it’s a whole hobby to rebuild those and remanufacture parts for it to be accurate enough to make fire arm components with
When I first got my lathe, I had to tram out the tail stock alignment hardware to get it online with the spindle head, had to delete the compound, delete the quad tool rest because would keep rotating,
Lap the gib strips, it didn’t even have a carriage stop so I had to fabricate one out of random shit
The biggest problem I see with 3d printed firearms is bullets
In my country bullets are very difficult to get, for one you need a firearms license and you can only keep about 100 bullets at a time I think
And no you can't cheat it because to get new bullets you need to return the used brass
this is why someone needs to start looking into caseless ammo again. yeah it fuckin sucks, but it would be great to circumvent laws like this. also what country
Japan
Some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world
At least I can play airsoft tho
Gonna get a gun license as soon as my Japanese language abilities are good enough
Even then I think I can only own a double barreled shotgun
this is why someone needs to start looking into caseless ammo again. yeah it fuckin sucks, but it would be great to circumvent laws like this. also what country
Japan
Some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world
At least I can play airsoft tho
Gonna get a gun license as soon as my Japanese language abilities are good enough
Even then I think I can only own a double barreled shotgun
A reminder, we've already gone through printed casings, it works. But that aside, you can just melt brass yourself and cast the casings because molds do exist. You can melt down lead as well for easy bullets, or if you're autistic enough to go through with an incredibly old idea from these threads, utilize artificial ruby production methods if you want something that in theory can be gotten past any form of metal detecting. While sketchy, armstrong mixture also gets you primers, but you can just as easily go the electric ignition route as people have been exploring it quite handily. Honestly it's a much smarter idea to do ignition.
Ammo isn't about availability, it's about autism and time.
Nowhere. Learn polymer molding if you want to fabricate polymers. The closest you'll get to working gun parts with point-and-click ease is a CNC mill. Once cheap ones are strong enough to mill high carbon steel there's no question these cheap plastic ovens will have no place in weapons manufacturing. The tech is stalled and there isn't much more reason to push forward when polymer fabrication is already a science. If you want a thing made of polymer, make a fucking mold and fill it so you can actually use a decent grade of polymer. 3D printers have to use shit tier low heat polymers that break easily. These are for printing things like sporks or a weak picture frame.
>These are for printing things like sporks
3d printer here
I wouldn't trust a printed spork unless it was carbon fibre infused PLA, that might work but in general thin things like that are very weak.
They're also not food safe because the surface is very rough and at bacterial scale, is basically the moon. Lots of places for bacteria to hang out and grow colonies.
Same reason you can't use it for sex toys.
The sex toy route is a good guideline here, the technique there is to print a mold then rub it down with acetate to smooth it a bit, then go over again with a clear laquer to both seal it and smooth it. Then cast your toy in that with latex.
You'd need to do the same thing for gun parts probably but obviously not with latex.
You won't make a good, decent, fully 3D printed gun anytime soon. But making guns with traditional tools isn't hard. Simply some parts are complex and time consuming to make, and a 3D printer can easily and effortlessly produces those no matter how complex. It's a great help, but it won't do anything on its own.
3D printed AT and grenade launchers are genuinely effective, the latter most effectively on quadcopters.
The SMGs seem at least on par with other improvised sub guns. The rifles and handguns do not compare to factory made weapons, but still inexpensive to manufacture.
Overall, these 3D printed weapons are inexpensive to manufacture and more accessible each year. The grenades and grenade launchers have already been battle tested in Europe. Improvised weapons are central to guerrilla warfare, and Ukraine seems to employ guerrilla tactics to great effect, much like China and the Phillipines did against the Japanese invasion and occupation in WWII.
I'll agree to 3d printed drones. Drones > small arms anyway. Air drones, ground drones, underground drones, water drones, hell, space drones. The future is bright.
Reminds me of a common argument people had with JStark: it still needs ammo, and if you can find ammo, you can find guns. Making a big 9mm carbine was a terrible idea considering how uncommon it is, when there's so much 22lr around, and when the prefered gun would be a concealable handgun. And for this there are much better designs, like pic related.
JStark said 9mm was easy to find, but he just did the ammo carousel across Europe, which is an easy way to get caught. We don't know how he got caught but I wouldn't be surprised if this is the cause.
I never said ammo is a problem, I said 9mm is a problem, but 22lr and 12ga are easy to find. I said the FGC9 was retarded because it fits no serious use case with a hard to find cartridge. Please read.
Also shoot black powder and then tell us how it goes. I know proper black powder is enough of a pain in the ass, I don't know why I would even consider >black powder that anyone can make at home
lmao even
Yes, anyone can make proper black powder at home. It's just sulfur, potassium nitrate, and charcoal.
Real black powder is incredibly filthy, so most "BP" shooters use modern BP substitutes that burn cleaner.
Also worth noting that the sulfur isn't actually 100% necessary. I've not tried it myself, but I've seen experiments done with sulfur free BP and apparently it just has a higher ignition temperature than sulfur BP. The potassium nitrate is apparently hard to come by in some cucked countries though.
You can purchase it in small amounts for curing meat. It's going to look suHispanicious if you order a lot of it but you could get away with small amounts. The other option is to buy potassium chloride and convert it into potassium chlorate, and in that case you definitely don't want the sulfur because potassium chlorate is reactive enough on its own. In a pinch you could even use sodium chlorate because no country on earth will arrest you for buying sodium chloride.
>You can purchase it in small amounts for curing meat
I once accidentally bought 2kg of it for making bacon because I misread the quantity on the order page. I only ever used about 20g.
>How hard can you piss?
If I isekai back to ancient greece, first thing I do is start a piss harvesting operation.
Build public urinals and have slaves collect the piss from them hourly and take them to the piss flats where they're separated like an ancient Maltese sea salt operation.
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You realize piss was actually vital for a bunch of industrial operations, and piss collectors were paid for the service of getting rid of it by being allowed to sell it? One of the Roman emperors even taxed it.
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/money-does-not-stink-urine-tax-ancient-rome-003408
Potassium chloride (alt table salt) + nitric acid
Alternatively
Potassium hydroxide (lye or potash) + nitric acid
Potassium chloride can be made by reacting potassium hydroxide in hydrochloric acid which can be produced with electrolosis of salt water.
Do your research into chemistry before you try any of these as there's a lot of finer points such as chlorine gas byproducts as well as some very potent acids and bases. That being said, the barrier to entry is low material wise as you can make your own carbon electrodes, use a glass mason jar for an electrolsis chamber, and can even make the batteries to run the electrolsis if you had a mind to.
People will return to and revive black powder muzzleloaders/zip guns before they unironically even try 3D printed dogshit. They’re a meme because it all sucks and you can re-invent the wheel out of polymer in your garage leading to some second renaissance of home “gun smithing”
You can also get potassium chlorate and perchlorate from electrolysis of potassium chloride but you start getting into dangerously unstable territory. I haven't figured out a better chemical for homemade primers though. Perchlorate is somewhat more stable (which isn't saying much).
>Real black powder is incredibly filthy
Yeah I know. That's why I told you: >shoot black powder and then tell us how it goes
>modern BP substitutes that burn cleaner
Only marginally, it's still a mess. Regardless it's still a shitty solution when realistically anyone in the world can get his hands on 22lr and 12ga with a little effort.
Most of the 3d printed modes look like shit compared to GW models though, I’m into 3d printing too but you gotta admit cults models from YouTubers look trash
>All I know is that the Sodastream will do for the Soda industry what 3d printing did for guns
lol
Sodastream didn't go away though, my cousins house always had soda stream, they never bought soda when I visited them.
Even today, my sister drinks soda water from a soda stream clone.
Ultimately right now everyone on earth who can get a 3d printer, some copper wire, and a hell of a lot of piss can make a plastic abomination with power and rate of fire like something out of the late 1800s. Past that anyone with a hardware store can make a musket, anyone with a metal shop could already make a machine gun.
Ultimately the biggest bottleneck for gun ownership is the will of people across the world to defy their governments.
>ejection port is already warping
Nope, it's shaped that way. >charred
It's dirty, anon, not charred. Have you never fired a gun that wasn't black? It's just fouling.
I won't pretend the Orca will hold up like a real AR, but it's a solid unit nonetheless. Fat, heavy, it will happily spit several thousand rounds without issue. Most people won't release a gun design if it doesn't hold up to some serious usage. That being said, you can still print it in PLA and then magdump until the barrel is falling off.
Just joining this thread dont mind me
I've never even touched a 3D printed, and Chat GPT is obiously not a good resource, I've never held a gun either.
But rn I have this burning question in my mind:
If the Orca can be created in 5.56x45
Doesn't that mean we can go as far as .50 BMG?
In my idea I actually however wanna know if it's possible to 3D Print a AR Platform Rifle Chambered in .338 Lapua Magnum, For reference here is the Bad News 338 Lapua (image attached)
I'm not asking for a HOW TO im asking if it's even possible. like will it not break and all after continuous usage
No you were talking about both, implying that if .223 then .338. That's like saying if you can ride a scooter doesn't it mean you can handle a Triumph Rocket 3.
1. Gun control will become increasingly obsolete in countries with strict gun laws.
2. Guerilla groups and other non-state actors will make heavy use of them (see Burmese rebels using FGC-9).
3. More people will have access to firearms (see point 1).
If metal 3D printing ever becomes available for at consumer-level prices, gun control will be permanently screwed in every developed country.
>google detects file on you pc and deletes it for you.
Absent some drastic 180 deg turn around in US, a complete top to bottom regime change, you wont be able to have such files on a pc anon and they will know exactly who you are and where.
Better to print them now while you can.
But hey, good thing you got the Orange Man out, amirite?
It only works in the US, because they control the lower receiver, which is not subjected to huge stresses and can be made out of tougher plastic like nylon. Most other countries (like UK) control the hard to make parts like barrels, and 3D printing doesn't really help with that.
So it's kind of pointless.
You can either:
- 3D print a lower receiver and go to prison in the US
- 3D print gun parts in the EU, but you still need the metal parts
- 3D print parts you could buy at a store and great cost and time investment
Well, according to ChatGPT (cut down for readability):
Under the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968, manufacturing firearms without the proper Federal Firearms License (FFL) can result in up to 10 years in federal prison and/or a fine up to $250,000 for individuals or $1 million for organizations.
Under United States federal law, the term "firearm" includes the frame or receiver of the weapon. This means that, according to federal regulations, manufacturing a lower receiver is generally considered to be manufacturing a firearm.
Not sure what the actual legal practice is but Imo it's pretty clear they can lock you up if they want to.
i actually didnt read your post at all and fucked up. he's right though because "manufacturing" is another part of the retarded ATF legal definitions and means "manufacturing for sale" and they've made it clear home made guns are totally chill except maybe they don't cross state lines?
>most government documents come with a complete glossary attached so you can decipher them, legally.
this is only true outside the US
which is batshit because english speaking cunts outside the US tend to be common law and very precedent heavy while the US tried to start fresh and arguably needs giant glossaries and definitions sections EVEN MORE but 99% of legalese that makes the population seethe doesn't have any so you end up with bullshit "assault weapon" legislation that's both over-reaching yet unenforceable
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oh no it's definitely true in the USA, for federal stuff it's 99% bullshit made up acronyms and for local/state laws its all formal boilerplate around real definition text
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what is an "assault weapon"
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https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2
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already im seeing problems
.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following: >A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: >A pistol grip that protrudes conHispanicuously beneath the action of the weapon. >A thumbhole stock.
how much is "conHispanicuously"? would a skeletonized stock constitute a thumbhole? what about those popular 70s style rifles with the teensy bit of pistol stock but no more than an inch or so? >A folding or telescoping stock.
this one is fine tbqh >A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
what constitutes a grenade or flare? if it's a 40mm tube but isn't firing grenades, is it still a grenade launcher? if you get or make rifle grenades like the wwii style "rifle projected" type is every rifle a grenade launcher now? is the coke can launcher a grenade launcher even if it's styled after normal grenade launchers but doesn't chamber typical grenades? >A flash suppressor.
how much flash suppression is needed? are flash hiders suppressors? >A forward pistol grip.
what about angled foregrips? at what angle and length does it constitute a forward pistol grip?
also how detachable does a detachable magazine have to be? where would an 1M1 Garand clip fall? what about indexed tubes for speedloaders? all magazines are detachable, with tools. how sophisticated does it have to be? this is how you end up with BOOLIT BUTTAN shit
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its california so the answer is "yes"
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you're retarded, the states that have those laws *do* define them with whole glossaries, the other anon is right, it's a lawyer thing not an america/ europe dichotomy thing
In the United States, it is and always has been legal for an individual to produce a gun that they can otherwise legally own. If there's nothing preventing you from legally obtaining a gun of a certain variety, you may produce it yourself if you so choose. No license, approval, stamp, serial number, absolutely nothing is required at the federal level. Some states have their own laws that affect this, and may require shit like a serial number, or may prevent you from making guns entirely. For producing things like silencers, AOWs, and short-barreled rifles, then you need an appropriate tax stamp to make them, just like if you were to buy one.
However, you cannot produce firearms for the purpose of being sold without an appropriate Federal Firearms License, as producing firearms to be sold makes you a manufacturer who is subject to licensing requirements. Producing firearms for personal use does not require any permit or license. Selling a self-produced firearm is perfectly legal as well, but it cannot be made specifically to be sold, only incidentally sold. You do not have to put a serial number on a gun, serial numbers are only required for licensed manufacturers, there is no federal registry or database of firearm serial numbers. Again, individual states may have their own specific requirements regarding sales or transfers of self-made firearms, serial numbers, etc. You cannot produce a full-auto weapon in the US, it requires a tax stamp that the ATF refuses to sell. That is, they are a federal agency tasked with collecting a tax, but they choose not to collect that tax. There is no ban on full-auto guns in the US, the people who are supposed to sell you a tax stamp for a full-auto gun simply refuse to do so; yes, the ATF is fraudulent, yes they violate the constitution, yes they're a fascist organization of fat men trained to shoot dogs, and no, their wrists cannot handle .40 much less 10mm.
Did you fucking click the link another poster has posted in reply and make a screenshot of it?
It has been said that people below 85 IQ struggle with cause and effect. I guess we're seeing that in action.
Anon stop using fucking AI retardation for information you can find yourself on google. Please. Keep the AI for forcing it to write sonic x mario fanfiction or some shit, not facts that it doesn't even know how to fact check. You only can't manufacture your own firearms if you intend to sell them, and even then it's only if you manufacture them with INTENT to sell them; home-made firearms can be sold, they just need a serial number and you can't be churning them out for profit. Shit, check Forgotten Weapons; Ian has shown off several old guns made by "literal whos" in their garage being sold at one of the biggest gun auction companies in the US.
The very first post in this thread is a plastic gun with a plastic barrel and plastic cartridges full of black powder being primed by copper wire, which is able to fire a full magazine via pump action without breaking apart.
3d printed guns will always be a meme because for every design that could conceivably work, there's 90 "LOL PRINT AN ASSAULT WEPON AT HOME" and it's literally just a drop-in kit.
I'd think it's some kind of false flag if I didn't already know that gun people are cargo culting retards.
HulkHogan_HH and richard-nixon's "Dirty Harry" and "Private Eye". Public beta. Zero gun parts unless you count the barrel liner, though diy ecm 22lr barrels are a thing too if you want to be that guy.
https://odysee.com/@Richard_Nixon:a
https://odysee.com/@HulkHoganHH:f
why would you want one of these pieces of shit?
it seems to only be for poor people looking to commit a crime which means they couldn't even afford to print it in the first place
In 2015 the cutting edge dudes were buying prusa Mendel made in USA hardware kits and running 3.0mm lawn trimmer as filament
In 2023, it costs about what it costed the Mendel prusa guys to build a desktop CNC capable of cutting metal. Even have kits where they ship with extrusions (I don’t want to leak the project and blow up the scene so the kits sell out) but $1200 gets you a real deal cnc running off of gcode with a low pro vise
Meaning that in the near future everyone will be able to buy $3-5 bar stock to their houses and have metal components diy
I think indexers are a very easy upgrade to these once they’re main stream so you with 4th axis setups in your child hood bedroom.
You do need a 3d printer to build the original CNC machine then you machine aluminum replacement parts once it’s up and running and the stiffness gets you to be able to cut faster and more accurately
That’s possible now….. 2035…. 5 axis cnc desktop setups so you can carve Knick knacks out of bar stock?
Or what about 3d printer sinker EDM using a resin printer and an ultrasonic cleaning stainless steel tub?
i like the idea, but as a machinist i can't see it. there is a *lot* more to even base level machining than 3d printing, and we're already at the end of where we can reasonably automate. we also don't have a cura-tier CAM program to "slice" a milling program. that said, you can write it by hand, but you need experience to know what you're doing and fuckups are obscenely expensive for home users. imagine fucking up a print and buying a new micro swiss hot end for every fuckup. that's the reality of milling, if you're lucky.
also, we already have $500 routers that can handle aluminum
>If you crash the diy cnc mills the tool actually just binds up the spindle like a drill press being tan too hard
wait, we're talking mills now? or did you mean router
i agree that this is a relatively safe solution, that wasn't my complaint about home machining. who's going to know what a g41 is? fuck, I've been doing manual grinding for 6 months, i couldn't tell you and i went to school for this shit. the point is that machining is far more complicated and nuanced than "slice and print". yes, if you want performance prints you have to chase variables almost like machining, but the point of the whole printing thing right now is to make cheap shit guns that are piss easy to do.
honestly though, the money idea is going to be a "factory rack" that has a printer and an aluminum-capable CNC router on it. you can make complex or irregular parts on the printer, and anything that needs the resilience of metal can be put to the router. most people don't need a bridge mill the size of a garage, or even a bridgeport size work area. for picky little gun parts or whatnot, a milling area like an ender 3 is going to work perfectly.
think about it. same thing companies like glock/magpul/springfield are doing, but home grade. synergy of polymer and metal.
what do you think of those 3018 builds? they can handle 6061 alu apparently
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Never had one but I never bought one because the frame is derlin on those, you need to swap out the spindle, and they’re not cheap. So once you got all this money in that machine you still have a very limited Z travel. Can’t use a vise so you’re stuck to bolting your parts to a spoil board
Also no tool changer is kind of a no deal for me, don’t want to keep adding in m00s to the code for every tool swap
Maybe? Remember it doesn’t have flood coolant and you’re going to be roughing with like maybe 5 thou passes at BEST with all aluminum everything and epoxy gravel mod
Was anyone even seriously printing with weedeater filament in 2015? Shit by that time you already had the RepRap somewhat popular by 2008 if you were enough of a nerd (though started in '04), the Makerbot Replicator by 2012, then the ungodly amount of cheap clones of the Replicator by 2013; a lot was changing fast. I mean if you wanted nylon at that time, I guess you could go 3mm instead of 1.75 and use weedeater line but wasn't stuff other than ABS and PLA starting to take off at that point? I remember NinjaFlex around 2013, maybe early 2014; I'm sure nylon and other plastics weren't far off. I didn't think the large choice in plastics was THAT recent but maybe looking back on it, I could be wrong.
To the hospital. You can't fucking print guns. Learn metal fabrication and polymer fabrication you lazy fat fuck. Some of the easiest skills you'll ever learn.
>want to print guns because it looks fun >illegal in my godforsaken hell state >local ranges prohibit them entirely >nowhere to even test them without getting narced on
Someone tell me what it's like to live in the free parts of murrica.
It takes 15 minutes to buy a gun in a store. You can make all the guns you want and shoot them as you please in the vast expanse of public lands around. Everyone in town does transfers for $15-$20.
I don't the the ROs at my local range even care what I fire.
I just come in with a duffel bag full of guns and fire whatever I have ammo for until I either run out of ammo or run out of range time whichever comes first.
How would your range even know if you're using a 3d printed gun? Do they inspect your guns before they rent you a lane or something?
Most places around where I am will check your guns and ammo before giving you a lane. Indoor ranges are usually more strict with this because they don't want people fucking up their backstop with certain rounds.
layer lines still show and are unmistakable for any other kind of tooling mark. you would have to print in a plastic that could be vapor smoothed or very well sanded.
are you getting your glocks inspected at the range? i've never been asked if my guns are loaded, let alone if i have a stamp or if they're 3d printed.
get a grip.
Calculator? It's a muzzleloader, you want 1:48. They go higher, they go lower, there are a million reasons, ignore them. Planning to shoot patched 50cal round balls? You want a 1:48 twist.
Rifling is dependent on powder variety, powder loading, barrel length, bullet shape, length, diameter, density, weight, and moment of inertia. What's right for one bullet in one gun is not going to be right for the next bullet or the next gun. It's complicated as fuck if you want to be a perfectionist, so just don't. Look at 9mm handguns, 1:10, 1:16, 1:18, 1:18.75, 1:24, there is no "standard" and all get the job done so why the different twist rates? There isn't a "correct" or even an "ideal" twist rate for your gun unless you want to optimize it for just one specific variety of ammo. Little variables can affect other shit, hell with black powder guns they used to worry a lot more about torque applied to the rifle than we do nowadays. A Remington 7mm doesn't twist your wrist and slap your cheek, but it was a major concern for some black powder muzzleloaders back in the day with twist rates anywhere from 1:12 up to 1:200 firing big fat 40 - 60 cal balls and minie balls anywhere from 150gr up to well over 600gr. There isn't a magic number.
Shitty prototype, PLA+. It is able to be fired this way though, even with 4 walls and 25% gyroid infill. When I'm finished with the design I'll print a nice clean one in Nylon.
Neither the equipment, materials or process have any merit in this context.
3d printing is great when you've got to fabricate complex parts, concave surfaces, one off parts with to specs. You could make a fancy grip panel.
You could make the world's most tracable zip gun, you could fabricate peripheral proprietary parts like a Mercedes badge or optics cases.
You could arm the sort of gay who'd never worked with metal, never owned a gun, and criminals wouldn't trust. An antisocial white kid who wanted to execute homeless people.
>You could arm the sort of gay who'd never worked with metal, never owned a gun, and criminals wouldn't trust. A vigilante black drag queen in Uganda on a heroic quest to destroy child trafficking ring.
Laser Sintering can allow you to print bullets and straight-walled casings. Ability to print safer AI designed components can allow homebrewed ANFO to be used as a propellant in cased or caseless systems. Electrical ignition must be explored further to solve the primer question.
The future is now grandpa.
%3D
seems to be worse than a couple black powder revolvers you can have delivered anonymously and without paperwork
>hurr durr the entire world is America
Shut the fuck up, retard.
It doesnt matter, it instantly, permanently, and forever BTFOs all
>BUHH BUHH BUHHH U CANT MAKE AMMO U CANT MAKE BARREL U CANT MAKE PRIMER
fags.
They have absolutely no response to it, all they can do is ignore it. Actually look through this thread, every fifteen posts someone trots out one of those gay points, and someone posts the funny cyberpunk plastic pump action and all the blackpilled noguns eurofags just ignore it, wait a dozen more posts, then repost "HUH HUH HUH U CANT MAKE AMMO".
Nice proof of concept.
It's been 10 years since pic related and it hasn't gone anywhere. Only Myanmar has a relevant 3dp scene and it's because they're fighting a guerilla war in the jungle with scrap metal and solar powered laptops.
>she doesn't know
Ngmi
>gone from shitty single shot 9mm that sometimes exploded to firearms that can be made very easily with nothing but plastic and a couple hardware store parts
>gone nowhere
even if you only look a shit like glawk frames and AR lowers its a world of difference.
>stuff you could already make with tools
>BUT PLASTIC!
amazing
you can make pretty much anything with tools. most people can't. most people can make something with a 3d printer, that is the difference. just because something does not apply to you does not mean it doesn't have value.
if you can make a gun with a 3d printer, you can do it with metal
the only part that's 3d printed is the receiver, you still need a bolt and barrel etc which are all metal
there is no source for 9mm barrels other than aliexpress "explosion proof tubing"
remember that when speaking to these shills
>you still need a bolt and barrel etc which are all metal
you can buy a barrel online if you're 9 years old and stole your mom's credit card in the US. The cool part is being able to easily manufacture serialized parts, which in the US at least barrels and bolts generally are not.
>you can buy the barrel online
so what's stopping them from banning barrels if banning the receiver didn't work?
all this is doing is kicking the can down the road, it's not solving anything long term
barrels and pressure containing components are already regulated items in lots of countries
I feel like the skill level to make anything out of metal is much higher than 3d printing, not to mention barrier to entry. More tools are required to work with metal.
As far as solving things longterm rome wasnt built in a day. All these advancements are steps towards the larger goal. Crude bolts and barrels can and have been made, i.e. the rebels in myanmar.
Home made ammo is also being worked on.
What would be the tipping point for you to accept them as viable arms?
3d printed guns are still made of metal
Dont be a pedantic gay, you know what i mean.
no, you still have to work with metal
if you have to work with metal, it's not 3d printed, only the receiver is
if only the receiver is printed, why even bother?
just use steel square tubing for a receiver
You can always build a black powder pump action completely out of plastic.
As i said the barrier to entry for is much lower with a 3d printer for most people. Nearly every step with 3d printing is cheaper and easier. Even the home made edm barrels are simple and cheap.
A block of steel is expensive and building jigs so every cut cut and hole is correct is not as simple as downloading a file and printing it.
In America the receiver is the firearm so it is 3d printed.
>Even the home made edm barrels are simple and cheap.
those don't exist, you still need to buy "9mm explosion proof tube" aka barrels off aliexpress
that's like buying a "glock airsoft autoswitch" then claiming oh it's just airsoft bro
yeah buy the airsoft suppressors too while you're at it
>a block of steel
nobody makes guns from a block of steel
>in america the rules are x
who cares, in america i can buy an 80% ar and glock and have it delivered to my front door with no transfers or paperwork, and they would be much fucking better guns
>nobody makes guns from a block of steel
This was the point where everyone gained license to ignore you, you slackjawed retard.
how so?
square tubing isn't a block of steel
sounds like you're just rage quitting
Anon those steel pipes off aliexpress are suggested because ordering from mcmaster carr would be like $200.
>nobody uses blocks of steel
What the fuck do you think milling is?
How would you like to define what a gun is then?
>Anon those steel pipes off aliexpress are suggested because ordering from mcmaster carr would be like $200.
can you link me the barrel off mcmaster?
i asked cathode glow to link me the barrel of mcmaster carr and he wasn't able to
Not anymore sadly, they no longer carry the sizes required, only much bigger stuff for quite awhile now, but of course people still recommend them thoughtlessly because McMaster is a force of nature in the United States. There's a reason none of the ECM guides include McMaster part numbers the way so many other build-guides do. Aliexpress and eBay are the only consistent ways to get small lengths and quantities, most suppliers of this type of material in the United States are industrial and deal with large orders from large clients, they don't have online stores or sell to average-Joe. In some cases, you can find local hydraulic equipment suppliers/outfitters/repair shops that keep this kind of stuff on hand, but finding the specific sizes required would take some luck. 8x16mm or 5/16"x5/8" for 380 or 9mm.
Would it be possible to use one of the larger round tubes that are rated for 100Kpsi and sleeve it with a weaker tube or is that just a bomb in so many steps?
I.e
https://www.mcmaster.com/8806T23/ titanium pipe rated to 105kpsi, OD 3/4 ID 0.672"
https://www.mcmaster.com/1705T28/ Brass tube rated to 60Kpsi, OD 5/8"~0.625" ID 3/8"
probably not those exact ones, but something along those lines. I'm lazy and don't want to look for better options if the basic idea isn't going to work. I don't know how you would secure one within the other but if it's possible then they would get around buying "explosion rated" pipes off aliexpress.
you will have a barrel that won't explode but will be viable for exactly one shot maybe
I mean i guess weve got to start somewhere.
I really don't know, what would happen and why would it not work? I got the idea from resleeving shot out barrels but besides knowing its a thing I have no idea.
There are metal shops all over the place that sell retail quantities.
onlinemetals.com is a huge one.
metalsupermarkets.com has a lot of retail locations nationwide
Those are just the two I've used offhand. There are lots more. You just have to look.
I'm quite familiar with both of those! Neither of them carry what's required for making barrels, so a bit pointless there.
>most suppliers of this type of material in the United States are industrial and deal with large orders from large clients, they don't have online stores or sell to average-Joe
>In some cases, you can find local hydraulic equipment suppliers/outfitters/repair shops that keep this kind of stuff on hand
What specifically are people looking for for barrels?
Would this work? It's not intentionally tailor-made for the purpose, obv, but the measurements are close.
https://www.onlinemetals.com/en/buy/carbon-steel/0-625-od-x-0-156-wall-x-0-313-id-carbon-steel-round-tube-a513-type-5-dom/pid/7840
Absolutely not, suicide tube.
'splain, pl0x, I haz teh dumbs
It's too soft, and it's too weak. Not even strong enough to safely fire 32ACP.
>Are you telling me that first-world educated geniuses with internet access can't possibly work this shit out too?
They often don't.
What would you need for black powder barrel?
to use more than once? metal. brass will do for BP but i think it's much hotter burning so plastic will work even worse.
How many psi i mean.
way less psi, burns slower.
sure, sure. but no.
>sure, sure. but no.
There was an example posted several times in this very thread retard.
Hard to say. Its based on pressure curves which is variable, especially if you're using homemade bp and thats not even considering granulation size. You can get by with a lot less but it's better to be safe. 4140 tubing if you can get it.
People have made multi shot black powder guns out of plastic.
Less than what you'd expect for typical cartridges, but still quite a lot. Depending on your choice of powder projectile, it's not odd to see black powder chamber pressures exceeding that of 45ACP. You get a lot of control over what goes in your black powder gun, don't doubt how much power you can get out of one, black powder shooters regularly push well past the muzzle energy of 7.62x39 out of an equivalent length barrel. You can, of course, also push the power way down if you so choose. With the right choice of powder, barrel, and bullet, and a willingness to compromise, you could do loadings that can be shot out of a glass test tube without breaking it.
I don't understand the mindset of these people. If they had their way we would have abandoned 3d printed guns after the liberator. There's no way for the technology to advance without people using it and exploring what's possible. It's almost like they don't want firearms to become more accessable.
See
Zoomers are spoiled and have a warped sense of progress. Imagine going back 300 years and seeing this kind of development in firearms from 1713-1723
These guns aren't relevent in myanmar, in the early stages of the coup school children were trying to take on the army with air rifles and fire cracker bombs. Anne frank beats hitler levels of cope and half these stupid urban kids were killed.
T. Mandalay fag.
Nowhere. There isn't really anything special about 3d printing. It's just cool because it lets individuals make stuff.
>it's just cool because it let's individuals make stuff
Yeah probably one of the greatest advances for individual forearm rights of the past 300 years retard.
>discounts the ability to produce complex internal geometry
Again you're a retard. Look at what 3d printing has done for suppressors.
If you don't have access to ammunition, you might as well make a shitty black powder steel tube blunderbuss like the Abe assassin did.
Seems like it's only useful to Americans who already have legal access to 99% of the parts needed to make a gun already.
The fcg 9 is literally a 3d printed submachinegun and can be made without any restricted parts. The barrel is a piece of hydraulic tubing with electro discharge machined chamber and rifling using a 3d printed jig, a car battery, and a bucket of salt water.
that hunk of shit would only be useful for gang murders and the great people of chicago and baltimore already have switched glocks for that
Have you ever actually shot one?
Anon there are Myanmar rebels using them in large numbers RIGHT NOW. These azns are actually fighting an insurgency with this shit.
You can melt lead on your stove top and make some conical bullets if you are willing to make or acquire a mold for them. Where there's a will, there's a way.
>that dude in the back with the 50" barrel
>You can melt lead on your stove top and make some conical bullets if you are willing to make or acquire a mold for them. Where there's a will, there's a way.
The specific design being discussed is completely plastic (except for copper wire used to ignite the powder). Plastic barrel, plastic chamber, all of it.
Is it necessary? No, however It PROVES for ALL TIME that noguns fags who claim getting a gun is "impossible" and "UHHHH 3D GUN USELESS I CANT PRINT A PRIMER" doomer fags are wrong and gay and will NEVER recover.
god UCP pattern camo really is shit
Still need the ammunition. If you have access to ammo, it's likely you also have access to real guns, which are better than their 3D printed counterparts. If you don't have access to ammo, the Bunnings blunderbuss is a superior firearm to a 3D printed gun you can't shoot.
3D printed weapons are really only useful where guns are few and yet ammo is plentiful. Outside of a guerilla war (
), this scenario doesn't happen.
Sorry grandpa, the very first reply in this thread is a completely plastic multi shot firearm that requires no cases, no primers, no factory made projectile (any correctly sized sphere will do) and uses black powder that anyone can make at home.
Welcome to the future, fag.
>spherical projectile
So basically the accuracy of a paint ball. Don't pack yourself on the back to early, sonny.
>verification not required
You know people were reliably killing each other with such things for hundreds of years right?
What am I saying, you get your ideas about smooth bores from television.
>he's only shot a rental tipman when he was in his teens
you know paintball guns are lasers now, yeah?
i have never seen this. what mission does this happen in?
3D printing bringing out the shills again I see. This guy has solved that problem.
https://twitter.com/SuckBoyTony1
>. If you have access to ammo, it's likely you also have access to real guns
you can DIY 9mm ammo without any regulations in most of the world
powder and priming compound from HILTI nail blanks (unregulated) are used to rearm once fired cases with dented primers (unregulated) and shove a new projectile (also unregulated) on top
Reminds me of a common argument people had with JStark: it still needs ammo, and if you can find ammo, you can find guns. Making a big 9mm carbine was a terrible idea considering how uncommon it is, when there's so much 22lr around, and when the prefered gun would be a concealable handgun. And for this there are much better designs, like pic related.
JStark said 9mm was easy to find, but he just did the ammo carousel across Europe, which is an easy way to get caught. We don't know how he got caught but I wouldn't be surprised if this is the cause.
Stark got caught a few months after he did that interview. Plenty of anons (myself included) said that it was a fatal mistake when it happened. One anon even wrote down a list of identifying stuff that could be seen in the video to easily figure out who he was, if you had state level resources.
All they had to do was pull the cell phone or credit/debit card records of the journalist that interviewed him and then you'd have his rough location. After that it would be trivial for any kind of national intelligence agency to figure out who their man was.
That being said, you're right. If you don't want to get bagged you need to keep any potentially suHispanicious purchases off the books (meaning don't purchase online) or avoid them entirely.
How about mortars?
Also what else can you do with ECM? Can you manufacture car engine parts?
Has anyone tried putting a steel plate in a solution you want to accumulate on it, which makes it bullet resistant?
>Also what else can you do with ECM? Can you manufacture car engine parts?
The ECM stuff I've seen is nowhere nearly accurate enough for that. You can build an EDM for a couple of hundred bucks, which will be accurate enough.
Looking Syria today, mortars are more often manufactured from steel. Recoilless rifles and grenade launchers such as a panzerfaust and bazooka style designs are real and functional. You could feasibly mass manufacture a field style mortar launcher, but larger improvised mortars and rockets typically require something larger than a 3D printer. We have seen grenade launcher and quadcopter grenade/mortars printed in the Ukraine war.
>Looking at* Syria today, mortars are more often manufactured from steel.
Rocket engines can be improvised from basic rocket sugar. The 3D printed rocket launcher pictured above employs a basic RPG design with folding fins and a simple solid rocket engine.
>like the Abe assassin did.
John Wilkes Booth?
Shinzo Abe
he was never an american president, dumbass
He was talking about the shinzo abe assassin he wasn't saying shinzo abe was an American president you tard
> shinzo abe was an American president you tard
No he wasn’t you rock-fucking moron.
>Missing the point this badly
You are the blackest, most retarded baboon moron I have seen on this website.
There needs to be an IQ test you need to complete before being able to post
There's a pump action electrically primed plastic cased black powder gun in the SECOND POST you dumb fag.
People will return to and revive black powder muzzleloaders/zip guns before they unironically even try 3D printed dogshit. They’re a meme because it all sucks and you can re-invent the wheel out of polymer in your garage leading to some second renaissance of home “gun smithing”
Anon, there have been plenty of 3D printing related busts in other countries. DIY weaponry is common in Brazil, and sometimes comes up in Australia as well.
Pic is a bust from Finland.
Another one from Taiwan.
Wow. I kept my gun printing strictly limited while I was over there. I just wanted to be sure I had the capability down.
>berretta pipe rifle
damn that shit looks tight
It's not that hard to get access to ammunition, it's much harder to get a gun illegally.
You can get a few errand boys to buy guns legally, and have them distribute that ammo towards you. Or get an illegal seller that procures it.
If you haven't noticed, most buy and bust operations for firearms are related to the actual gun, not the ammunition. Law enforcement focuses on preventing guns from getting on the streets, rather than the actual ammunition.
If you're a crime boss and you could arm your people with near anonymity, why bother getting real illegal guns for more money and risk?
This is big cope.
to prison idk
probably with 3D printers regulated in some way like drones.
It's almost impossible. The reason why 3D printers exploded over the last 15 years was because people figured out that you can build them with off-the-shelf electronic and mechanical components and then open sourced it.
I really want this to be a reality so we can monopolize the market on American made goods or at least gage keep it
>drones
>regulated
Lol.
The regulations on drones are unenforceable. Go ask the PrepHole drone thread what they think of the FAA and everyone in there will say "Who cares lmao just don't fly near the airport and you won't get caught."
In other words fecklessly and unenforceably.
I take mine to the range.
sweet
Outstanding
head to the arewecoolyet wtf site. pick your favorite wacky weapon, and look at the build instructions. It's not hard, but it's not instant, and it's not cheap for the parts you can't print. the realization it actually requires time effort and money are what keep it niche. people have accepted mostly plastic guns: look at all the polymer shit. 3d printing is improving on quality, ease of use, even materials every year, while getting cheaper. so the only thing is people being lazy.
What's that Glock model on the top called? I want that.
prison, you fucking terrorist.
Lol cope retard
how much were the non printed parts in that nerf gun?
dial in your print settings dude. have some pride in your creation
Not mine, my printed pews are much sexier imo
Now it truly is nerf or nothin
It's hilarious to me that normies hear "3d printed gun" and think of the liberator like it's still some undeveloped prototype technology.
With Home C&C machines becoming cheaper and cheaper, it wouldn't be surprising to see out of production rare firearms and components (among other unmentionables) functionally crafted at home by hobbyists.
3D printing alone, with rifles like Hoffman Tactical's Orca thing, are already demonstrating that gun law & copyright law at large will have to go through some major coping in the future. I don't really know, but access to functional automatic firearms at large by everyone with the ability to download and execute a file is already possible now, and its historical waves will probably be epic style.
I’d like to make a Ruger No 1. Idk why
You can't 3d print a barrel or cartridges, so I never really understood the point of this supposed revolution.
Just buy a lathe.
moron.
HELLO
>I never really understood the point of this supposed revolution.
ammunition is usually not well controlled, and when it is controlled the resources to make it are almost certainly not well controlled.
barrels were solved with ECM which can be accomplished with $150 worth of hardware store supplies. the rest of the gun is printable
you just need to take a closer look at what's been going on. it's not 2012 anymore where the liberator is the hottest shit. most new 3d printed guns are hybrid models that use off the shelf, unregulated parts for the barrel/slide etc and print the receivers
>barrels were solved
No they aren't, the only source of barrels is "explosion proof tubing" from aliexpress
This is on the tier of "airsoft glock autoswitch"
>This is on the tier of "airsoft glock autoswitch"
bro seamless pipe is used widely, it's not sold in hopes of catching the DIY gun barrel market, it's sold for hydraulics. "Explosion proof tubing" my ass, there are suppliers in every major city in the world, same way you can reasonably expect there to be someone who sells lumber, and someone who sells bolts and screws. Just because YOU get on Aliexpress and type in "Explosion Proof Tube" doesn't mean everyone else is incompetent and underaged like you are.
Too bad very little of this applies to the euro market where every single gun part is serialized. You cannot just buy a Wolf barrel for your Glock.
Then make due with the funny pump action plastic space musket.
When Métral wrote his guide to a "resistance smg" he, like a lot of good hearted patriots, underestimated how much contempt an occupier has towards his subjects.
In the 90s and early 2000s when Switzerland ceded its sovreignty and became an EU tributary state the laws massively restricted.
Full autos, semi autos, ammunition and barrel blanks, once freely available became heavily restricted.
I keep talking with Métral on gunshows, hell I even bought a gun or two off of him but he did not grasp the seriousnes of this.
Means of production, like lathes, milling machines, 3D printers, ghost gunners etc can and will be siezed my anyone with a malicious intent, based on sales records/toll paperwork/shipping manifests/machinist apprenticeship background.
The nazis used the records of gun ownership to collect the registered guns of the french. Your silly "hurr lost inna boating accident" will get you shot faster than you can mutter bu bu burden of proof.
Yes, the poles built a lot of guns for the resistance under nazi occupation, war time rationing etc but thats just it. If you think its only in wartime that confiscation and tyranny can happen you are wrong. The worst time for a people as a whole is in peacetime when no one wants to "rock the boat" when they make their moves against you.
alright retards, listen up and listen closely
>3d printer
$200 if you're doing it right
>ECM setup
~200-250. you can now make a subgun or even rifle in 9mm, and print shit for fancy 12ga shotguns.
OR
>bridgeport
in usable condition, $2000
>lathe
depending on what you plan on doing with it, ~$1200 to another $2000 or better
>metal brake
might find one used for a few hundred bucks, or make your own shitty one for a hundred or so
>shipping, installation, wiring, tooling
at least another $3000. hope you have 240v on tap, too, otherwise you'll have to call the electric company and see if you can get another line or two set up. these machines don't run on 110v
>rifling setup
either ECM on top of everything else, or figure out how to make rifling mandrels work in a home setting. button rifling is out of the question. you have now spent +$10,000 and you can make the same shitty ass zip guns that the guy with a 3d printer has been making for the last 3 months while you got your WHOLE ASS MACHINE SHOP set up in your garage.
i am a machinist. i know what I'm talking about when i throw these numbers around. you are suggesting people make a massive fucking investment that will never pay off to make the same shitty zip guns you can make with a bucket of fucking salt water and a printer.
go fuck yourselves. metalworking is based, it is a great skill, it is not and never will be accessible to the average joe in the way you want it to be or mistakenly think it is
>button rifling is out of the question
I hate that little gays try to paint button rifling as easy peasy "watch youtube you can do it with a hammer" bullshit. They hammer shitty Chinese and Ukrainian miss-spec'd buttons through pipes without nearly enough wall thickness and produce shit-tier legitimately dangerous barrels. If you want to make barrels for fun at home, just do ECM, it ticks all of the boxes and you get nice picture-guides and video walkthroughs that tell you exactly how to do it without blowing your hand off.
if you can button rifle your barrel with a hammer, guess what, your barrel is made of shit fuckin chinesium that is likely incalculably worse than hardened hydraulic tubing. there is a reason why ECM (or more properly EDM, electronic discharge machining) is used: you can work any ferrous material with it regardless of yield strength or hardness, becausd it's a chemical reaction, not a physical cut. it takes a unique machine tl properly button rifle and stress relieve a barrel. actually, that's another thing those fags probably don't mention. you need to stress relieve after button rifling or your barrel will crack.
>it takes a unique machine tl properly button rifle and stress relieve a barrel. actually, that's another thing those fags probably don't mention. you need to stress relieve after button rifling or your barrel will crack.
You're retarded and button rifling is easy. You get on Aliexpress, search "steel tube 8mm 12mm", you want 8mm id and 2mm thick walls like a Glock barrel obviously so 12mm od. Then find a "9mm Universal Rifling Button" that definitely isn't sized for 9x18 Makarov, pinky-swear, and hammer the bitch through chasing it with a 1/4" piece of all-thread. Chamber it in your drill press with a 25/64 bit, send it. Safe and effective, works 100% of the time, this is how the pros do it probably.
you are baiting me. the only reason I'm replying to you is because i don't want someone to think this is the proper way to do it. this is not how professionals do it
But the people on reddit told me it'd be fine. I thought they'd be the experts, they sure SOUND like experts. Are underaged europoors on the internet not trustworthy when it comes to this sort of thing? I'm shocked an appalled.
goatse
>Arse 'n' all
>this is not how professionals do it
We aren't professionals, though. We're trying to make functioning weapons for fun and in case of bans.
If you want to be a professional about it, you can buy barrel blanks from dozens of sources, or invest in a lathe, mill, and grinder, maybe an EDM as well, and make a rifling machine.
moron be careful with your shitty replies. This post
was blatantly and obviously sarcastic as fuck, describing exactly how internet retards get themselves hurt doing stupid shit.
Bruh, Paki monkeys in caves in Waziristan and Flip monkeys in, I dunno, tin shacks I guess all over their archipelago, make functioning firearms somehow using not much more than charcoal and files. Are you telling me that first-world educated geniuses with internet access can't possibly work this shit out too?
>will never pay itself off
you could pay the lathe off by just cutting down barrels for bubba on the weekend
>at least another $3000. hope you have 240v on tap, too, otherwise you'll have to call the electric company and see if you can get another line or two set up. these machines don't run on 110v
What ancient hellhole in the US doesn't have 240V? Who is such failure at life they can't easily afford a workshop (makes life better, saves money and increases abiities over time) but has money to piss away on safe queens?
Machine shops promptly pay themselves off if you're serious about DIY including working on everything you own which I do. The average joe won't 3D print either because those people are not techies which means they're barely human.
The truthpill is the DIY capabilities which permit weapons manufacture for fun (they're toys after all) are so insanely useful elsewhere they're more worth having than firearms.
>What ancient hellhole in the US doesn't have 240V? Who is such failure at life they can't easily afford a workshop (makes life better, saves money and increases abiities over time) but has money to piss away on safe queens?
all of this is wrong. most people have one or two 240v lines running to the kitchen and washroom, for appliances. only a handful have both an outbuilding and an outbuilding equipped with 240v. also, its way easier to afford a couple guns and some ammo instead of a home machine shop.
>Machine shops promptly pay themselves off if you're serious about DIY including working on everything you own which I do.
good for you. most people don't want or can't spend every moment at home dicking around with some bullshit the local farmer needs. how did you pay off your home machine shop in a reasonable time frame? what jobs did you take?
personally i like how 3d printer folks plan around shitty materials. better designs lower the investment cost and increase the quality of garage DIY guns. that doesn't mean plastic will ever be practical except for superfluous parts where wood is better anyway because sex.
the shit materials are a pretty solid constraint that requires logic and innovation to circumvent. restrictions and confines are as useful to design as possibility in some cases
Actually if you have been keeping up do date... you can its pretty neat.
Also holy shit I forgot how unusable this shit style of Captcha has made this site.
Not that I like the captcha but this sounds like a skill issue.
Honestly its more a "this site is not worth the minimul extra effort it takes over the old version when both the old version was irritating and PrepHole is barely worth talking on" issue.
Its a personal decision thing
Fuck mabye im just lazy
>Actually if you have been keeping up do date... you can its pretty neat.
This thread has been nothing but this exchange twenty times in a row.
The problem is those Chinese lathes are so shitty it’s a whole hobby to rebuild those and remanufacture parts for it to be accurate enough to make fire arm components with
When I first got my lathe, I had to tram out the tail stock alignment hardware to get it online with the spindle head, had to delete the compound, delete the quad tool rest because would keep rotating,
Lap the gib strips, it didn’t even have a carriage stop so I had to fabricate one out of random shit
The biggest problem I see with 3d printed firearms is bullets
In my country bullets are very difficult to get, for one you need a firearms license and you can only keep about 100 bullets at a time I think
And no you can't cheat it because to get new bullets you need to return the used brass
this is why someone needs to start looking into caseless ammo again. yeah it fuckin sucks, but it would be great to circumvent laws like this. also what country
Japan
Some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world
At least I can play airsoft tho
Gonna get a gun license as soon as my Japanese language abilities are good enough
Even then I think I can only own a double barreled shotgun
People have built magazine-fed rifles using paper cartridges. They've even been used in wars.
A reminder, we've already gone through printed casings, it works. But that aside, you can just melt brass yourself and cast the casings because molds do exist. You can melt down lead as well for easy bullets, or if you're autistic enough to go through with an incredibly old idea from these threads, utilize artificial ruby production methods if you want something that in theory can be gotten past any form of metal detecting. While sketchy, armstrong mixture also gets you primers, but you can just as easily go the electric ignition route as people have been exploring it quite handily. Honestly it's a much smarter idea to do ignition.
Ammo isn't about availability, it's about autism and time.
>utilize artificial ruby production
Post.
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Nowhere. Learn polymer molding if you want to fabricate polymers. The closest you'll get to working gun parts with point-and-click ease is a CNC mill. Once cheap ones are strong enough to mill high carbon steel there's no question these cheap plastic ovens will have no place in weapons manufacturing. The tech is stalled and there isn't much more reason to push forward when polymer fabrication is already a science. If you want a thing made of polymer, make a fucking mold and fill it so you can actually use a decent grade of polymer. 3D printers have to use shit tier low heat polymers that break easily. These are for printing things like sporks or a weak picture frame.
Why not cast a mold around a 3d print? That's gonna save a lot of time.
>These are for printing things like sporks
3d printer here
I wouldn't trust a printed spork unless it was carbon fibre infused PLA, that might work but in general thin things like that are very weak.
They're also not food safe because the surface is very rough and at bacterial scale, is basically the moon. Lots of places for bacteria to hang out and grow colonies.
Same reason you can't use it for sex toys.
The sex toy route is a good guideline here, the technique there is to print a mold then rub it down with acetate to smooth it a bit, then go over again with a clear laquer to both seal it and smooth it. Then cast your toy in that with latex.
You'd need to do the same thing for gun parts probably but obviously not with latex.
It's just an additional tool.
You won't make a good, decent, fully 3D printed gun anytime soon. But making guns with traditional tools isn't hard. Simply some parts are complex and time consuming to make, and a 3D printer can easily and effortlessly produces those no matter how complex. It's a great help, but it won't do anything on its own.
Ammunition remains an issue though.
3D printed AT and grenade launchers are genuinely effective, the latter most effectively on quadcopters.
The SMGs seem at least on par with other improvised sub guns. The rifles and handguns do not compare to factory made weapons, but still inexpensive to manufacture.
Overall, these 3D printed weapons are inexpensive to manufacture and more accessible each year. The grenades and grenade launchers have already been battle tested in Europe. Improvised weapons are central to guerrilla warfare, and Ukraine seems to employ guerrilla tactics to great effect, much like China and the Phillipines did against the Japanese invasion and occupation in WWII.
I'd take an 8' spear over that shitty piece of plastic any day.
At this point I'm convinced you're someone parodying a spearfag.
Your 'paro-dy' will be useles against my Pi-lum, amateur.
3d printed jets
you heard it here first folks
I'll agree to 3d printed drones. Drones > small arms anyway. Air drones, ground drones, underground drones, water drones, hell, space drones. The future is bright.
Yeah my post is this one:
I never said ammo is a problem, I said 9mm is a problem, but 22lr and 12ga are easy to find. I said the FGC9 was retarded because it fits no serious use case with a hard to find cartridge. Please read.
Also shoot black powder and then tell us how it goes. I know proper black powder is enough of a pain in the ass, I don't know why I would even consider
>black powder that anyone can make at home
lmao even
Yes, anyone can make proper black powder at home. It's just sulfur, potassium nitrate, and charcoal.
Real black powder is incredibly filthy, so most "BP" shooters use modern BP substitutes that burn cleaner.
Apparently the best mix is potassium nitrate and sucralose.
what's the sucralose do?
It burns a lot cleaner than charcoal. Not perfectly clean but a lot cleaner.
Also worth noting that the sulfur isn't actually 100% necessary. I've not tried it myself, but I've seen experiments done with sulfur free BP and apparently it just has a higher ignition temperature than sulfur BP. The potassium nitrate is apparently hard to come by in some cucked countries though.
You can purchase it in small amounts for curing meat. It's going to look suHispanicious if you order a lot of it but you could get away with small amounts. The other option is to buy potassium chloride and convert it into potassium chlorate, and in that case you definitely don't want the sulfur because potassium chlorate is reactive enough on its own. In a pinch you could even use sodium chlorate because no country on earth will arrest you for buying sodium chloride.
>You can purchase it in small amounts for curing meat
I once accidentally bought 2kg of it for making bacon because I misread the quantity on the order page. I only ever used about 20g.
>potassium chlorate
You may be familiar with the Hispanicy tortilla recipe. Knowledge is power, France is bacon.
How hard can you piss?
>How hard can you piss?
If I isekai back to ancient greece, first thing I do is start a piss harvesting operation.
Build public urinals and have slaves collect the piss from them hourly and take them to the piss flats where they're separated like an ancient Maltese sea salt operation.
You realize piss was actually vital for a bunch of industrial operations, and piss collectors were paid for the service of getting rid of it by being allowed to sell it? One of the Roman emperors even taxed it.
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/money-does-not-stink-urine-tax-ancient-rome-003408
Potassium chloride (alt table salt) + nitric acid
Alternatively
Potassium hydroxide (lye or potash) + nitric acid
Potassium chloride can be made by reacting potassium hydroxide in hydrochloric acid which can be produced with electrolosis of salt water.
Do your research into chemistry before you try any of these as there's a lot of finer points such as chlorine gas byproducts as well as some very potent acids and bases. That being said, the barrier to entry is low material wise as you can make your own carbon electrodes, use a glass mason jar for an electrolsis chamber, and can even make the batteries to run the electrolsis if you had a mind to.
snatching nitric acid from the air with electrolysis is also a thing but thats super duper fucking slow
You can also get potassium chlorate and perchlorate from electrolysis of potassium chloride but you start getting into dangerously unstable territory. I haven't figured out a better chemical for homemade primers though. Perchlorate is somewhat more stable (which isn't saying much).
>Real black powder is incredibly filthy
Yeah I know. That's why I told you:
>shoot black powder and then tell us how it goes
>modern BP substitutes that burn cleaner
Only marginally, it's still a mess. Regardless it's still a shitty solution when realistically anyone in the world can get his hands on 22lr and 12ga with a little effort.
>where will 3d printed guns take us in 10 years
Freedom. The U.S. shouldn't be the only country to enjoy firearms
There's two groups I've noticed that are trying to make a concentrated effort to try and dispel interest in 3D printing
Feds for guns and ammo
Games Workshop for models
>Games Workshop for models
anon, what are you taking about?
GWfags constantly shill against 3d printing because it completely obliterates the infinitely inflated miniature war gaming market.
didn't know that well thx for the info anon.
Most of the 3d printed modes look like shit compared to GW models though, I’m into 3d printing too but you gotta admit cults models from YouTubers look trash
ITT: 3D printed guns remain useless and gay, being inferior to a fucking spear in most cases. Get into metalworking gay zoomers.
I could shinzo-abe quickdraw your ass with a liberator hand-shredder quicker and more covertly than you could stab me with a spear
>Get into metalworking gay zoomers.
basically this
All I know is that the Sodastream will do for the Soda industry what 3d printing did for guns
kek, this is the truest thing I've ever read on the subject
>All I know is that the Sodastream will do for the Soda industry what 3d printing did for guns
lol
Sodastream didn't go away though, my cousins house always had soda stream, they never bought soda when I visited them.
Even today, my sister drinks soda water from a soda stream clone.
Depending on the advancement of metals, we could be looking at total gun control destruction.
Ultimately right now everyone on earth who can get a 3d printer, some copper wire, and a hell of a lot of piss can make a plastic abomination with power and rate of fire like something out of the late 1800s. Past that anyone with a hardware store can make a musket, anyone with a metal shop could already make a machine gun.
Ultimately the biggest bottleneck for gun ownership is the will of people across the world to defy their governments.
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Saving Pvt. Ryan graveyard scene...
The Liberator was first released 10 years and some months ago.
lol nowhere. guns AND 3d printing will both be outlawed.
3d printing is a meme but this is pretty neat. I wouldn't trust it to last though. It looks like the ejection port is already warping and charred.
>ejection port is already warping
Nope, it's shaped that way.
>charred
It's dirty, anon, not charred. Have you never fired a gun that wasn't black? It's just fouling.
I won't pretend the Orca will hold up like a real AR, but it's a solid unit nonetheless. Fat, heavy, it will happily spit several thousand rounds without issue. Most people won't release a gun design if it doesn't hold up to some serious usage. That being said, you can still print it in PLA and then magdump until the barrel is falling off.
>Feeling bored
>Siri, print me an FG-42 and 2000 rounds of 8x57
>Make coffee
>Put in thermos
>Go out for fun day of shooting beer bottles and tin cans
straight to jail
3d printed Lasguns in the year 40,000
Just joining this thread dont mind me
I've never even touched a 3D printed, and Chat GPT is obiously not a good resource, I've never held a gun either.
But rn I have this burning question in my mind:
If the Orca can be created in 5.56x45
Doesn't that mean we can go as far as .50 BMG?
In my idea I actually however wanna know if it's possible to 3D Print a AR Platform Rifle Chambered in .338 Lapua Magnum, For reference here is the Bad News 338 Lapua (image attached)
I'm not asking for a HOW TO im asking if it's even possible. like will it not break and all after continuous usage
>Doesn't that mean we can go as far as .50 BMG?
No.
What about the .338 Lapua Magnum I had in mind?
Also no. I don't think you really understand just how puny .223 is.
I was talking about .338 lapua Magnum not .223 Remington
No you were talking about both, implying that if .223 then .338. That's like saying if you can ride a scooter doesn't it mean you can handle a Triumph Rocket 3.
1. Gun control will become increasingly obsolete in countries with strict gun laws.
2. Guerilla groups and other non-state actors will make heavy use of them (see Burmese rebels using FGC-9).
3. More people will have access to firearms (see point 1).
If metal 3D printing ever becomes available for at consumer-level prices, gun control will be permanently screwed in every developed country.
>google detects file on you pc and deletes it for you.
Absent some drastic 180 deg turn around in US, a complete top to bottom regime change, you wont be able to have such files on a pc anon and they will know exactly who you are and where.
Better to print them now while you can.
But hey, good thing you got the Orange Man out, amirite?
lol this moron doesn't know you can have a computer that isn't connected to the internet.
>he uses windows home and not LTSC
NGMI
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It only works in the US, because they control the lower receiver, which is not subjected to huge stresses and can be made out of tougher plastic like nylon. Most other countries (like UK) control the hard to make parts like barrels, and 3D printing doesn't really help with that.
So it's kind of pointless.
You can either:
- 3D print a lower receiver and go to prison in the US
- 3D print gun parts in the EU, but you still need the metal parts
- 3D print parts you could buy at a store and great cost and time investment
You won’t go to prison for printing a lower. Where did you hear that?
Well, according to ChatGPT (cut down for readability):
Under the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968, manufacturing firearms without the proper Federal Firearms License (FFL) can result in up to 10 years in federal prison and/or a fine up to $250,000 for individuals or $1 million for organizations.
Under United States federal law, the term "firearm" includes the frame or receiver of the weapon. This means that, according to federal regulations, manufacturing a lower receiver is generally considered to be manufacturing a firearm.
Not sure what the actual legal practice is but Imo it's pretty clear they can lock you up if they want to.
the "firearm" is a specific part of a gun in most places not just USA. they're different parts in different places though.
Your point being? I wrote about US law, and you asked about it. I quoted the relevant sections. Yes, laws in different countries tend to be different.
i actually didnt read your post at all and fucked up. he's right though because "manufacturing" is another part of the retarded ATF legal definitions and means "manufacturing for sale" and they've made it clear home made guns are totally chill except maybe they don't cross state lines?
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does-individual-need-license-make-firearm-personal-use
Oh wow, I didn't know about the ATF's peculiar definition of 'manufacturing'
most government documents come with a complete glossary attached so you can decipher them, legally.
is the simple version though.
>most government documents come with a complete glossary attached so you can decipher them, legally.
this is only true outside the US
which is batshit because english speaking cunts outside the US tend to be common law and very precedent heavy while the US tried to start fresh and arguably needs giant glossaries and definitions sections EVEN MORE but 99% of legalese that makes the population seethe doesn't have any so you end up with bullshit "assault weapon" legislation that's both over-reaching yet unenforceable
oh no it's definitely true in the USA, for federal stuff it's 99% bullshit made up acronyms and for local/state laws its all formal boilerplate around real definition text
what is an "assault weapon"
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2
already im seeing problems
.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
>A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
>A pistol grip that protrudes conHispanicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
>A thumbhole stock.
how much is "conHispanicuously"? would a skeletonized stock constitute a thumbhole? what about those popular 70s style rifles with the teensy bit of pistol stock but no more than an inch or so?
>A folding or telescoping stock.
this one is fine tbqh
>A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
what constitutes a grenade or flare? if it's a 40mm tube but isn't firing grenades, is it still a grenade launcher? if you get or make rifle grenades like the wwii style "rifle projected" type is every rifle a grenade launcher now? is the coke can launcher a grenade launcher even if it's styled after normal grenade launchers but doesn't chamber typical grenades?
>A flash suppressor.
how much flash suppression is needed? are flash hiders suppressors?
>A forward pistol grip.
what about angled foregrips? at what angle and length does it constitute a forward pistol grip?
also how detachable does a detachable magazine have to be? where would an 1M1 Garand clip fall? what about indexed tubes for speedloaders? all magazines are detachable, with tools. how sophisticated does it have to be? this is how you end up with BOOLIT BUTTAN shit
its california so the answer is "yes"
you're retarded, the states that have those laws *do* define them with whole glossaries, the other anon is right, it's a lawyer thing not an america/ europe dichotomy thing
People manufacture their own firearms all the time. Also thanks boomers for the grabblers
>According to chatgpt
Retard.
Read the actual law. It's perfectly legal to manufacture non-nfa firearms for your own personal use in the US.
In the United States, it is and always has been legal for an individual to produce a gun that they can otherwise legally own. If there's nothing preventing you from legally obtaining a gun of a certain variety, you may produce it yourself if you so choose. No license, approval, stamp, serial number, absolutely nothing is required at the federal level. Some states have their own laws that affect this, and may require shit like a serial number, or may prevent you from making guns entirely. For producing things like silencers, AOWs, and short-barreled rifles, then you need an appropriate tax stamp to make them, just like if you were to buy one.
However, you cannot produce firearms for the purpose of being sold without an appropriate Federal Firearms License, as producing firearms to be sold makes you a manufacturer who is subject to licensing requirements. Producing firearms for personal use does not require any permit or license. Selling a self-produced firearm is perfectly legal as well, but it cannot be made specifically to be sold, only incidentally sold. You do not have to put a serial number on a gun, serial numbers are only required for licensed manufacturers, there is no federal registry or database of firearm serial numbers. Again, individual states may have their own specific requirements regarding sales or transfers of self-made firearms, serial numbers, etc. You cannot produce a full-auto weapon in the US, it requires a tax stamp that the ATF refuses to sell. That is, they are a federal agency tasked with collecting a tax, but they choose not to collect that tax. There is no ban on full-auto guns in the US, the people who are supposed to sell you a tax stamp for a full-auto gun simply refuse to do so; yes, the ATF is fraudulent, yes they violate the constitution, yes they're a fascist organization of fat men trained to shoot dogs, and no, their wrists cannot handle .40 much less 10mm.
Instead of checking ChatGPT, which is fucking retarded and you're a retard for checking it, you should've checked with the ATF.
Did you fucking click the link another poster has posted in reply and make a screenshot of it?
It has been said that people below 85 IQ struggle with cause and effect. I guess we're seeing that in action.
Nope, missed that while scrolling through. I actually had that screenshot sitting in the same folder as
.
Anon stop using fucking AI retardation for information you can find yourself on google. Please. Keep the AI for forcing it to write sonic x mario fanfiction or some shit, not facts that it doesn't even know how to fact check. You only can't manufacture your own firearms if you intend to sell them, and even then it's only if you manufacture them with INTENT to sell them; home-made firearms can be sold, they just need a serial number and you can't be churning them out for profit. Shit, check Forgotten Weapons; Ian has shown off several old guns made by "literal whos" in their garage being sold at one of the biggest gun auction companies in the US.
Without a method of DIY ammo? Nowhere particularly interesting
Are you just the same person posting this in various ways as bait?
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Part of me wonders if it's someone who likes 3d printing guns and just wants to make sure the thread stays bumped.
Yeah, since these threads tend to die fairly fast without bumping.
The very first post in this thread is a plastic gun with a plastic barrel and plastic cartridges full of black powder being primed by copper wire, which is able to fire a full magazine via pump action without breaking apart.
This exchange has repeated like fifteen times.
3d printed guns will always be a meme because for every design that could conceivably work, there's 90 "LOL PRINT AN ASSAULT WEPON AT HOME" and it's literally just a drop-in kit.
I'd think it's some kind of false flag if I didn't already know that gun people are cargo culting retards.
I'm hoping for small, concealable J frame 22 revolvers for CC in cucked places.
Closer every day.
What's the name of this design? Is it in any sort of public beta?
it's either the private eye or dirty harry, you can find it on the odd sea.
you can say odysee you fucking redditor
HulkHogan_HH and richard-nixon's "Dirty Harry" and "Private Eye". Public beta. Zero gun parts unless you count the barrel liner, though diy ecm 22lr barrels are a thing too if you want to be that guy.
https://odysee.com/@Richard_Nixon:a
https://odysee.com/@HulkHoganHH:f
Are these two different at all or are they the same thing and they just have different names for some reason?
My understanding is that the only real difference is barrel length.
My Australian erection is huge.
why would you want one of these pieces of shit?
it seems to only be for poor people looking to commit a crime which means they couldn't even afford to print it in the first place
The liberator is more of a symbol of our roots retard. no one unironically uses them anymore. you've heard of FGC9 yes?
In 2015 the cutting edge dudes were buying prusa Mendel made in USA hardware kits and running 3.0mm lawn trimmer as filament
In 2023, it costs about what it costed the Mendel prusa guys to build a desktop CNC capable of cutting metal. Even have kits where they ship with extrusions (I don’t want to leak the project and blow up the scene so the kits sell out) but $1200 gets you a real deal cnc running off of gcode with a low pro vise
Meaning that in the near future everyone will be able to buy $3-5 bar stock to their houses and have metal components diy
I think indexers are a very easy upgrade to these once they’re main stream so you with 4th axis setups in your child hood bedroom.
You do need a 3d printer to build the original CNC machine then you machine aluminum replacement parts once it’s up and running and the stiffness gets you to be able to cut faster and more accurately
That’s possible now….. 2035…. 5 axis cnc desktop setups so you can carve Knick knacks out of bar stock?
Or what about 3d printer sinker EDM using a resin printer and an ultrasonic cleaning stainless steel tub?
i like the idea, but as a machinist i can't see it. there is a *lot* more to even base level machining than 3d printing, and we're already at the end of where we can reasonably automate. we also don't have a cura-tier CAM program to "slice" a milling program. that said, you can write it by hand, but you need experience to know what you're doing and fuckups are obscenely expensive for home users. imagine fucking up a print and buying a new micro swiss hot end for every fuckup. that's the reality of milling, if you're lucky.
also, we already have $500 routers that can handle aluminum
I feel like fusion 360 is already there, you literally type in the tool details, and click the feature you want to cut.
You don’t need to worry about which side of the line you’re on do I g41 or g42 it
Like it even does canned cycles for you.
You can have some soccer mom who doesn’t know the difference between 6061 and 7075 download a step file and be cutting with these
Plus it’s aluminum extrusion, some teeny tiny linear rails, and a 500w spindle.
It’s not a haas vf7 with 20 horse power and the ability to throw Kurt vises across the shop to kill you.
If you crash the diy cnc mills the tool actually just binds up the spindle like a drill press being tan too hard
Just like the harbor freight mini lathes it won’t Russian pink mist you… it’ll just seize up and maybe pop it’s fuse
>If you crash the diy cnc mills the tool actually just binds up the spindle like a drill press being tan too hard
wait, we're talking mills now? or did you mean router
i agree that this is a relatively safe solution, that wasn't my complaint about home machining. who's going to know what a g41 is? fuck, I've been doing manual grinding for 6 months, i couldn't tell you and i went to school for this shit. the point is that machining is far more complicated and nuanced than "slice and print". yes, if you want performance prints you have to chase variables almost like machining, but the point of the whole printing thing right now is to make cheap shit guns that are piss easy to do.
honestly though, the money idea is going to be a "factory rack" that has a printer and an aluminum-capable CNC router on it. you can make complex or irregular parts on the printer, and anything that needs the resilience of metal can be put to the router. most people don't need a bridge mill the size of a garage, or even a bridgeport size work area. for picky little gun parts or whatnot, a milling area like an ender 3 is going to work perfectly.
think about it. same thing companies like glock/magpul/springfield are doing, but home grade. synergy of polymer and metal.
I’m talking about the cnc mill that’s available currently
Not a ghost gunner, it’s a cnc mill kit (not a 3018 or anything else) and not a mostly printed cnc
It’s a kit cnc machine aimed at people super deep into 3d printing by deep I mean people who built their own boron’s etc
what do you think of those 3018 builds? they can handle 6061 alu apparently
Never had one but I never bought one because the frame is derlin on those, you need to swap out the spindle, and they’re not cheap. So once you got all this money in that machine you still have a very limited Z travel. Can’t use a vise so you’re stuck to bolting your parts to a spoil board
Also no tool changer is kind of a no deal for me, don’t want to keep adding in m00s to the code for every tool swap
FOSS LLMs should be able to automate the DIY CAD/M process
>just ask chat gpt!
when nothing works right don't be surprised. stop thinking that fuckin bot will fix all your problems
Prompt:
>handgun, pistol, luger, mauser, beretta, 9mm, 3d printable, PLA plastic, semi-auto, 13+1, optics ready, not gay
Not bad for not using a Lora.
>$1200
Cheap. Capable of working with steel?
Maybe? Remember it doesn’t have flood coolant and you’re going to be roughing with like maybe 5 thou passes at BEST with all aluminum everything and epoxy gravel mod
It’s going to be a noodle though
I wouldn’t, stick to brass and aluminum
Was anyone even seriously printing with weedeater filament in 2015? Shit by that time you already had the RepRap somewhat popular by 2008 if you were enough of a nerd (though started in '04), the Makerbot Replicator by 2012, then the ungodly amount of cheap clones of the Replicator by 2013; a lot was changing fast. I mean if you wanted nylon at that time, I guess you could go 3mm instead of 1.75 and use weedeater line but wasn't stuff other than ABS and PLA starting to take off at that point? I remember NinjaFlex around 2013, maybe early 2014; I'm sure nylon and other plastics weren't far off. I didn't think the large choice in plastics was THAT recent but maybe looking back on it, I could be wrong.
Assemble one yesterday. This one is just mock up to figured out setting. I will probably make a new one after I done setting up ECM.
To the hospital. You can't fucking print guns. Learn metal fabrication and polymer fabrication you lazy fat fuck. Some of the easiest skills you'll ever learn.
>you cant 3d print guns
>Multiple posted itt
Are you retarded by any metric?
bro I dont fuckin know why the fuck you askin me?
What kind of steel goes into AP ammo?
The hardest steel you have, there's no one answer.
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There isnt a specific type of steel, different rounds use different types of steel, in general the harder it is the better it performs.
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Uranium that no longer makes water steam when you dunk it to spin a turbine
That’s what the gov does
Here
https://twitter.com/Wild_Arms_RandD
>want to print guns because it looks fun
>illegal in my godforsaken hell state
>local ranges prohibit them entirely
>nowhere to even test them without getting narced on
Someone tell me what it's like to live in the free parts of murrica.
It takes 15 minutes to buy a gun in a store. You can make all the guns you want and shoot them as you please in the vast expanse of public lands around. Everyone in town does transfers for $15-$20.
I don't the the ROs at my local range even care what I fire.
I just come in with a duffel bag full of guns and fire whatever I have ammo for until I either run out of ammo or run out of range time whichever comes first.
How would your range even know if you're using a 3d printed gun? Do they inspect your guns before they rent you a lane or something?
Most places around where I am will check your guns and ammo before giving you a lane. Indoor ranges are usually more strict with this because they don't want people fucking up their backstop with certain rounds.
Just print them on non neon bright colors your dumbass.
layer lines still show and are unmistakable for any other kind of tooling mark. you would have to print in a plastic that could be vapor smoothed or very well sanded.
are you getting your glocks inspected at the range? i've never been asked if my guns are loaded, let alone if i have a stamp or if they're 3d printed.
get a grip.
Listen, dude. The simple solution is just to sand the parts, prime the parts, paint the parts, and say jack and shit.
Anyone have some drawings or some such of black powder locks?
Plastic electrically fired black powder guns?
Did you try perusing the channel posted in the very first post of the thread?
Percussion cap, will check the link.
Anyone know if there's a rifling twist rate calculator? For black powder muzzle loaders.
Calculator? It's a muzzleloader, you want 1:48. They go higher, they go lower, there are a million reasons, ignore them. Planning to shoot patched 50cal round balls? You want a 1:48 twist.
The only thing i know about rifling is that it can be different for different calibers.
Rifling is dependent on powder variety, powder loading, barrel length, bullet shape, length, diameter, density, weight, and moment of inertia. What's right for one bullet in one gun is not going to be right for the next bullet or the next gun. It's complicated as fuck if you want to be a perfectionist, so just don't. Look at 9mm handguns, 1:10, 1:16, 1:18, 1:18.75, 1:24, there is no "standard" and all get the job done so why the different twist rates? There isn't a "correct" or even an "ideal" twist rate for your gun unless you want to optimize it for just one specific variety of ammo. Little variables can affect other shit, hell with black powder guns they used to worry a lot more about torque applied to the rifle than we do nowadays. A Remington 7mm doesn't twist your wrist and slap your cheek, but it was a major concern for some black powder muzzleloaders back in the day with twist rates anywhere from 1:12 up to 1:200 firing big fat 40 - 60 cal balls and minie balls anywhere from 150gr up to well over 600gr. There isn't a magic number.
Huh, interesting.
>Where will 3d printed guns take us in 10 years.
Prison
Where can I get files to print a noise suppressor?
>Where will 3d printed guns take us in 10 years.
To ER to get your fingers sewn back onto your hand.
Suckboy update
https://nitter.net/SuckBoyTony1/status/1697772778328568296
What in the fuck is nitter
formerly 'black twitter'
alternative twittter frontend. if it bothers you that much replace "nitter.net" with "twitter.com"
The future is bright.
What material?
Shitty prototype, PLA+. It is able to be fired this way though, even with 4 walls and 25% gyroid infill. When I'm finished with the design I'll print a nice clean one in Nylon.
Neither the equipment, materials or process have any merit in this context.
3d printing is great when you've got to fabricate complex parts, concave surfaces, one off parts with to specs. You could make a fancy grip panel.
You could make the world's most tracable zip gun, you could fabricate peripheral proprietary parts like a Mercedes badge or optics cases.
You could arm the sort of gay who'd never worked with metal, never owned a gun, and criminals wouldn't trust. An antisocial white kid who wanted to execute homeless people.
>white kid
In the end you reveal yourself.
>You could arm the sort of gay who'd never worked with metal, never owned a gun, and criminals wouldn't trust. A vigilante black drag queen in Uganda on a heroic quest to destroy child trafficking ring.
Anyone else ever get the sudden intense feeling of wanting to die for no apparent reason?
Everyday anon. It will pass, or maybe it wont. I figure if i cant will my body to die immediately i dont want it bad enough though.
Maybe in 10 years they’ll move away from 9 and 22
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Laser Sintering can allow you to print bullets and straight-walled casings. Ability to print safer AI designed components can allow homebrewed ANFO to be used as a propellant in cased or caseless systems. Electrical ignition must be explored further to solve the primer question.