Where the thr Rumor that USSR/Russian military technology was designed to not require preventive maintenance? I remember retards online going as far as to claim Russian pilots can conduct all the maintenance required, negating the need for maintainers.
Same as all retarded myths, every time the information is repeated to someone new it gets exaggerated.
It's actually true that soviet aircraft were more reliable in the 70s and 80s. This is because the airframe life was like 1/10th of western jets. No need for maintaince if you scrap it comrade!
>It's actually true that soviet aircraft were more reliable in the 70s and 80s.
You actually cant be me wrong, dear sir.
70s introduced heavy use of electronics and reliability and maintenance crushed with no survivors.
Read Russian books about MiG-23, Su-24 (Just SU-24 without M).
Those electronics were not your smartphones, they were analogues monstrosities required heavy tuning to work right and after couple hours of use you need to tune them again. And they were thousands elements plugged into circuit boards with tens thousands plugs, have fun fining plug that lost connection. That is maintenance nightmare.
With all mischief for example Su-24 never used all their avionics. Wings had such modus operandi: some aircraft were tuned for use of iron bombs, some for FFARs, (all using daylight HUD bombing), several aircraft's tuned for nighttime radar bombing, and couple most precious with best maintenance crews for use of guided weapons. As pilots were supposed to qualify in all weapon deployments they moved from craft to craft to get their qualifications. Automatic/semi automatic terrain following never worked on Su-24 and it was never used, Su-24 never flew NAP during night, only daytime just by eyeball.
MiG-23 had less electronics, but same problems, MiG-23 assigned for fighter bomber squadrons bombed just during daytime not even using CIP HUD bombing, but just plain eyeball bombing using static HUD gun-sight. Also MiG-23 was produced by non Russian republics and not only usual problems with electronics its frame and general systems were bellow dogshit assembly quality. Aircraft's delivered to units were literally dissembled and assembled back to catch out assembly bugs. Some aircraft's couldn't be fixed, their integral fuel tanks leaking (MiG-23 was notorious for having large numbers of integral tanks and their complex geometry) they were cannibalized straight from the beginning.
what was kinda reliable with high readiness levels were plain Jane MiG-17, MiG-21, Su-17. Nevertheless these crafts had accidents rate higher than F-104 in German service. its just RT doesn't report such.
>More reliable
The Mig-23's R-29 turbine had a lifetime of 1,000-1,500 hours before it was considered unworthwhile to keep servicing it. The service interval was around 400 hours.
The F-104 Starfighter and F-4 Phantom's J79 had a service interval of 1,200 hours for the initial version. Later models of the J79 the service life could be as high in excess of 10,000-15,000 hours.
>1/10 the turbine life of western turbines
>Just scrap it
Yeah.
They were talking about American turbines all this time with how low maintenance they are. Retards just claim it was Soviet hardware that was low maintenance.
>Very first version of F-100 turbine
Let's ask what 80s Soviet tech provided
>The AL-31 has a modular design to facilitate maintenance and overhaul. In the twin-engine Su-27, left and right engines are interchangeable. Initially, the Mean Time Between Overhaul (MTBO) of the engine was only 100 hours, short of the required 300 hours. Later series incrementally improved the MTBO figure to 500 hours while service life was assigned as 1,500 hours. Further improved variants, such as the AL-31F Series 42, increased the MTBO to 1,000 hours with a full-life of 2,000 hours.[2]
Been decades right? What's the Su-57 get with the ALF-31 derivative?
>The AL-41F1S fan diameter was increased by 3% over the baseline AL-31, from 905 mm (35.6 in) to 932 mm (36.7 in), and also has increased turbine inlet temperature. This engine weighs 1,604 kg (3,536 lb) dry and has an assigned life of 4,000 hours and an MTBO of 1,000 to 1,500 hours.[23]
And China?
>Later J-10 variants and production lots were equipped with the improved AL-31FN series 3, with thrust increased to 13.7 tonnes-force (134.35 kN; 30,203 lbf) and service life raised by 250 hours.
Probably a descendent of the myth that Russian small arms are cheaper, more reliable, and have no drawbacks over western firearms. Look at all the retarded myths around the Mosin and AK pattern rifles, for example.
Also using decoys means you will lose war
>Allies made a whole fake invasion force before D-Day to fool the Germans
Do you recall which side won WW2?
The mighty USSR, of course.
And continuously after D-day.
There was an entire command that basically just ran decoy camps with inflatable tanks and fake unit markers who drove around to local bars loudly talking about how they're with such and such unit (Real unit halfway across Europe) and how great it is that they're conHispanicuously stationed right here and they sure hope no German spies are around.
This. Fascists can't handle the us army literally bugs bunny'd the nazis
unfortunately for them the german intelligence was so incompetent they never saw their show and dance. They never even figured out the enigma is compromised which should be part of routine intelligence security probing operations
I wish there were more photos of soldiers wearing FUSAG patches.
Is that Kiwifarms?
Shouldn't they stick to internet stalking people that are even more mentally ill than them?
And then the graphite dust from the pencil fucked up the delicate electrical systems and Russia just ended up buying what NASA made.
They used grease pencils because everyone knew the graphite pencils would be a bad idea.
Isn't the grease in common china markers still mildly conductive though, and still presents a hazard in gumming up fine equipment?
I could see space agencies wanting grease pencils more because you can write on fucking anything with them, but then wipe it off, unlike with a permanent marker. They also wouldn't dry out or anything like that and are more "reliable" in many regards.
in navies grease pencils are used a lot because they can write on wet surfaces more easily (even on bridges everything is ALWAYS WET ALL THE TIME somehow even when you keep the doors and vents closed, and no one knows how it happens(probably just people being messy)) and if water splashes on a document it doesn't get ruined. Graphite pencils are more common just because grease pencils are more expensive than graphite pencils but there's still china markers everywhere.
same, also those pens aren't actually made for space. i'm pretty sure they already existed, and fountain pens don't need to be pressurized or anything anyway since they work on capillary action and can already write upside down. They do tend to make a huge mess with novice writers, though, and managing liquid ink would probably be a pain in space (even in a home office you're probably going to be fucking around with syringes and shit to use even a modern fountain pen that doesn't use ink cartridges)
Also a "space pen" would be a really trivial design challenge. Just use a finer ball. Higher end (the ones that cost 2$ per pack of 30 instead of 1$ for a pack of 40) ballpoint pens also already write upside-down just fine and you could take any pen from your desk and test it yourself right now. I'm so tired of people saying things do or don't have features when it can be trivially proven otherwise by the reader.
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They weren't made by NASA, they were made by private American companies. NASA actually had abandoned developing pens because it was too costly.
There's a reason NASA wanted something besides a pencil in microgravity environments. The Soviets used pencils because they were poor.
Fuck off with your fudd lore
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Its right, its half the reason its such a pain the maintian but thier is a misconception.
It was they didnt need to optimise for it becuase thier eqiupiment was going to die too fast to fast for it to matter so they never bothered with making it easy to maintian or repair and would instead just pull a new one from storage.
Not that it was designed to never need it.
I hate this urban legend so much.
t. Russian
>The Soviets were able to send their planes to get butchered 10:1 against objectively superior aircraft and weapons, getting valuable pilots killed for no effect on the battlefield
If a piece of kit sucks, what use is reliability?
we haved the production capacity to replace our cheap planes, while americas were 100 times more expensive
Reminds me of the sam vimes theory of economics
graphite pencils don't create huge clouds of dust and spaceborne electronics are sealed because ambient radiation causes random bit flips/shifts
small cloud + small cloud + small cloud + small cloud = big cloud
When they opened up some of the panels in the soviet space station, they found huge globules of filthy free-floating water with its own special feculent ecosystem. Even with the micro-leaks that these things constantly get, they're enclosed systems. Debris adds up over time if it's not disposed of properly.
Woah cool.
I wonder if it would be possible for life to travel across space inside small clumps of water held together with surface tension.
Possibly. There was at least one incident where mold started growing inside a space station and worked its way around the seal on a window and seemed to be doing just fine in the cold vacuum on the other side.
You must be very confused on why layers of dust exists. Like, there’s never been a big cloud of dust particles that poof’d up anywhere, how on earth is there enough dust to form a visible layer?!
>invalidates your fancy pencil
Why didn't NASA use fountain pens? Capillary effect doesn't rely on gravity
To avoid ink leaks, I suppose. It was an ongoing concern when I used one in school, particularly when I recharged it.
>snide morons on the internet
>snide morons on the internet
I'd like to point out, these "urban legend" type memes pre-date the internet.
>Hungarian uprising
>Soviet T-55s are driving at night without headlights
>American analysts assume they have advanced night-vision devices, so improve their own to keep up with them
>turns out that someone sold the headlights for side cash and they were all driving blind
I'd be willing to bet that it started from something similar where they saw shit not getting properly maintained due to some officer pocketing the funding
Nah it literally came from the we have reserves mindset.
The just manufactured everything in a way that made it easy to assemble and under the assumption it wont need to be repaired they can just abandoned and get a new one.
It takes alot of extra work to make something that can be disassemled and reassembled outside a factory without fucking it up.
Alot easier to make shit that you just weld together and toss like the average product you order from amazon.
People mixed up the not ment to be repaired with doesnt need to be repaired.
Also the army is conscripts so this mindset also saves alot on training.
A lot of Soviet technology on the civilian side, be it machinery or electronics, was built in a way that it could be repaired with only a hammer, a screwdriver and occasionally a soldering iron. Most replacement parts were available off-the-shelf and could be bought virtually anywhere.
Since most civilian shit was easily repairable, many people also extend this claim to Soviet military equipment like BMPs and tanks. Whether that's true or not I do not know
People like to generalize and so this supposed repairability extended even to their fighter jets. Which is absurd because a fighter jet is orders of magnitude more complex than even a tank, let alone civilian cars, TVs and radios where this originated
As a side note, people sometimes conflate repairability and reliability, which is where the "rugged soviet equipment" myth probably comes from
>A lot of Soviet technology on the civilian side, be it machinery or electronics, was built in a way that it could be repaired with only a hammer, a screwdriver and occasionally a soldering iron.
It also most often than not didn't work
That was true of Western technology in the 60s, but soviet technology was so backward that it was so simple in the 80s meaning it could be repaired. After 80s they just started importing western stuff.
t. Croatian, my dad has german drill from 70s that he keeps repairing
The service intervals for Russian and American fighter jet engines is public information. Russian reliability is a meme.
Soviets/Russians tanks engines can't be replaced outright requiring whole day of work to disassembly part of tank to get engine out.
Hell, more complex t-64 is easier to maintain, but Russians to save money based didn't developed t-74, and then based t-90 on t-72 (t-X2 were earlier, cheaper export models, with t-X4 being improved versions on experiences of t-X2).
These fuckers cut corners on tanks let alone on jet.
Anyway reliability in east means it is easy to repair and in the west it won't break down.
Yeah, western tanks use quickly swappable power packs IIRC, just take it out and put in a new one. The broken one can be repaired later.
No the Soviets were just content doing less maintenance and accepting either fewer flight hours dedicated to training or a higher likelihood of inflight failures.
Its a stereotype from looking at shit like AK’s and Mosins and thinking that same line of thinking applied to everything else, since they had such a large inventory of vehicles so surely they must all be cheap super reliable econoboxes that last a quintillion years from some lube from the tears of a dedovschina victim. In reality most of their vehicles aside from shit like the Niva either sucked total ass or were alright for the time but treated with complete abandon since the only thing the USSR really actually made were those things to keep it all afloat, so they figured “fuck it, we have plenty more in stock anyways”. Its why the monkey model meme lasted for so long, because nobody in and out of Russia really wanted to admit just how shit or ran down so much of their stuff really was since that basically destroyed half a century’s worth of constant propaganda made by both sides of the wall.
why anyone believes this kind of bullshit about Russian equipment supposedly being far more reliable than anything else is beyond me. Time after time we see this kind of lore completely proven wrong when the shit is actually used in real life and not in arguments online, including the king of bullshit mountain the AK.
Turns out that when the only information you have to work with is literal propaganda provided by a hostile foreign regime regarding their military equipment it tends to be more than a little bit biased.
everything about your post is correct except for
>AK unreliable
PEAK fuddlore
and
>T-72
which still holds up and insanely reliable compared to NATO tanks
>>AK unreliable
>PEAK fuddlore
It's no more reliable than anything else and provably less reliable than ARs with foreign materials.
A far cry from the ACTUAL fuddlore that claims AKs are the most reliable gun ever made that can shoot after being buried in shit for 30 years.
>which still holds up and insanely reliable compared to NATO tanks
what do you base this on? unless you have accurate data on the rates of mechanical failure with t-72s you literally have no idea what their reliability is like.
>>AK unreliable
>PEAK fuddlore
Strange how Ukrainian soldiers constantly shit on AK and prefer western weapons
No. Soviet aircraft require much more frequent maintenance, but they fly much less often. Their readiness numbers are very bad.
Our planes wouldn't need maintenance either if our pilots got as few flight hours as Russians did. Funny how when they started having to fly a bunch they started having way more accidents than the US does.
Seething turdies that can't afford better. It's always been that way
>No, see, our jets are meant to become rusty shitbuckets, it's by design