Where the hell did all of these go?

Is nobody using these things anymore? I cant remember the last time I saw these in footage.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turns out that everyone found that these are utter garbage not suitable for front line use

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're ~40 year old guns with an incredibly niche usecase that isn't (and tbh never was) particularly applicable to the fighting happening in Ukraine. It makes pretty much no sense to use one for the type of fighting going on now and realistically the actual supply of VSSs and VALs was probably not huge in the first place.

      >utter garbage
      Again it's a pretty old design at this point and by most accounts it's good enough in its intended niche that Ivan continued to modernize it, so I'm not sure if this is really true and considering literally none of us have so much as seen one in person, this is pure speculation and I assume hyperbolic backlash from years of people thinking it's cool.
      > not suitable for front line use
      It wasn't designed for front line use and trying to force it into the role of an AK seems like a pretty bad idea to me, and I'd guess that's why we saw so many of these getting looted of VDV corpses early on.

      >meme special use case is inapplicable in trench warfare
      Shit thread

      This.

      For the bulk of the combat in this war, the VSS and VAL are a pretty bad option lol. The concept itself is remarkably forward-thinking and its successors like the Vikhr are very interesting guns, but I wouldn't particularly want to assault a trench with one vs a 74m or M4.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it's a pretty old design at this point and by most accounts it's good enough in its intended niche that Ivan continued to modernize it
        That's the deal with the T-72 but that doesn't mean it's a good tank.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They're ~40 year old guns with an incredibly niche usecase
        This. This is all you 12 years old kids need to know about these "sick fr fr" guns.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they were always a meme all spooks use 22LR in bolt actions as its accurate as well as quiet the Russians use a Toz 22

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Samegay BTW you can go and dig yourself and find LOTS of pre Ukraine pictures of Russians with silenced 22 bolt actions as well as other nation. They are 100M shots. All subsonics have a crap ballistic arc that's only good to maybe 300M but a heavy bullet actually makes it worse and makes reange estimation critical, a 22LR subsonic is more forgiving on that, can be made very quiet and is very accurate. Downside is you need to be able to hit a tennis ball at 100M first time under stress but you can train for that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >found that these are utter garbage
      Its kinda pathetic how you have to put a spin on everything slavic to be - bad. They were never designed for the frontline.
      > Russia: Special forces,[13] Federal Security Service (FSB)[14] and OMON.[15][16]

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because you have to declare you support Ukraine and Russia is evil for any pro-slavshit discourse before being dogpiled on.
        Even worse if you are trying to neutrally discuss what Russians did "right".

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Be honest.
          You are a golem, an artificial construct devoid of humanity.
          You deserve to die.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Humanity isn't a factor in analyzing successes and failures. Is that how strategic decisions are made in Ukraine, just willful ignorance and contrarianism? I guess that explains the last 6 months. "Oh the Russians are advancing and anything Russians do is bad, so I guess we are retreating now".

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >meme special use case is inapplicable in trench warfare
    Shit thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >trench warfare
      kraut detected
      catch this trench gun round

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    subsonic memes are only useful for the kinds of speshul operadurrs who, at this point, basically only exist in theory in russia/ukraine.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're equivalent to an MP5SD in terms of use case. How many of those did you see in 20 years of GWOT footage? I think I once saw one strapped to a CIF guys backpack, but that's it. The fact that we saw as many VALs as we did in the first few months is surprising.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Perfect thread for either "yeah" or "frick ya mudda"

    Nobody ever took these as serious combat rifles. They won't even be special collector's items for the next 25 years (so get one now).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You ~~*can't*~~ get these in the states anyway, imports of 9x39 ammo and these guns are banned, even if they were modded to be semi-autos

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is literally no reason why 9x39 and these guns can't be produced domestically

        >but US made AKs are garbage
        The reason US-made AKs are junk is because they're trying to hit a competitive pricepoint vs second-world labor costs and R&D+production setup that was 100% subsidized by the Soviet state apparatus. Foreign AKs are cheap on the backend because the Soviet Union spents hundreds of millions of dollars setting up the factories and tooling. It's just not a process that can be replicated in our political and economic system to hit a competitive pricepoint, so they cut corners on materials and processes instead, and the end result is a worse rifle that's often still more expensive.

        Domestic VALs and VSSs would be under no such pressure. It would probably look a lot like buying a tommybuilt MP7: it's going to cost what it costs because there's no alternative.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Im pretty sure ballistically those things are very simular to .300 blackout and like .300 they are intended for super CQB tac op cool guy shit and not so much WW1 re-enactment.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hopefully one day getting chopped up and sent to us as kits

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were always specialist weapons designed for a specific niche of counter terror/spooky spec ops marksmen either doing counter terror or infiltration shit. They’re neat and look cool, but they’re also kind of ass for pretty much any frontline grunt duty you could expect to see.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does ukraine proudce ammo for vss
    I see them sometimes used by ukie sf

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably not. Back when they were aligned with Russia, it would have been easier to just buy the ammo. Now that they arent, they've captured enough to keep the guns working that they aren't likely to need to make it. Ukraines a weird duck, they produced so much in terms of armor and heavy industry but never made much in terms of small arms. They were the 3rd largest country in the Soviet Union yet never made their own AK, whereas even moron gypsies like Romania managed that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well romania was a independent country
        Ukraine was a part of ussr

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Vepris based in Ukraine so even if they didn't make one in the ussr era, they were capable of doing so later

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why make a new AK when AKS-74N got it right the first time?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        romania > usa
        change my mind

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've always wondered how feasible it would be to scale the action up for 7.62x39. Could call it the "Treecutter"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not impossible. The VAL action is basically an AK bolt in a VZ58 bolt carrier

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I've always wondered how feasible it would be to scale the action up for 7.62x39.
      >"scale up" 9x39 action for 7.62x39
      wdhmbt

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pick a gun that shoots a round with the ballistics of a pistol cartridge
    >be surprised when it doesn't work in a country that is a massive open field with 1km+ between hedgerows which is the only cover available

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IKR? The sight only adjusts up to 420 meters, and even that's pretty optimistic. AKs go up to 1000m. Idk where people got idea that it was a long ranged weapon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In all fairness, that's long range for a suppressed subsonic rifle, especially when it was only made for urban combat and HVT kills.

        >6" barrel

        Yes. The majority of the barrel is the integrated suppressor. The section where the bullet accelerates is actually super short.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >be surprised when it doesn't work in a country that is a massive open field with 1km+ between hedgerows which is the only cover available
      >specifically Hostomel airport, only to be surrounded and mauled by reservists.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >6" barrel

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Biggest disappointment of the war was finding out these guns that were made of pure rape in videogames were sup par disappointments IRL. I am curious how well they fair against body armor at close range though

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just watched harrera video about vss,the ballistic was soo fricking poor it could not even penetrate ww2 Soviet helmet just created a dent in CLOSED FRICKING RANGE even brandon was shocked about the balistics compared to modern bodyarmor it could do shit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's using FMJ 9x39, dumbass.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In that video herrera literally says "we couldn't get any of the cool AP rounds so we can't test those"

        Idiot.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you don't need AP to punch through an old steel helmet inside of 100m

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's a subsonic 9mm 248gr lead core fmj bullet, no shit it's not going through a steel helmet lol. Would you act surprised if subsonic lead core fmj .45acp didn't punch through a steel helmet?

            Bullet composition is really, really important to subsonic AP performance, and Brandon's "test" provided literally no data on that because he couldn't source AP bullets, so what we got out of it is "non-AP 9x39 doesn't pen armor" which you morons somehow have turned into "AP 9x39 doesn't pen armor"

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you don't need AP to punch through an old steel helmet inside of 100m

              You defeat armor with velocity, sectional density, or both

              Heavy slow lead-core subsonics have neither, so it not penning steel armor is a pretty predictable outcome for anybody with even basic knowledge of this shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on what game, that along with .300 blackout were shit in insurgency.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I liked this fun in Metro 2033

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I liked this fun in Metro 2033
      >fun
      PHONEPOSTER DETECTED

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        newbie detected.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          BANTER

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >newbie is unfamiliar with what funz are

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        BANTER

        Embarrassing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The thing in Metro 2033 is more like a 9A91

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They fires the same cartridge you literal Black person

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And? The gun in Metro is fictional anyway but it more closely resembles the 9A91, not the VSS.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It does not resembles anything not even close to 9A91 as you said it is a fictional weapon based upon VSS and is designed to function as VSS

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://metrovideogame.fandom.com/wiki/VSV_(VSK-94)
              >VSK-94 was developed on the base of the 9A-91 Carbine. It was originally designed to fire 9x39mm SP5, SP6 and PAB-9 subsonic cartridges, but versions chambered for 7.62x39mm, 5.56x45mm NATO, and 5.45x39mm were eventually crafted.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i remember the first days of war you could find a VAL laying in the street next to a dead russian

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    idc how shit they are they are pure sex

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"Ivan, we have just receive glorious AS Val/VSS Vintorez."
    >"Da."
    >"We also receive special ammo?"
    >"Njet"
    >"Extra mags?"
    >"Njet"
    >"Spare parts?"
    >"Njet"
    >"Does comrade gunsmith (guy with hammer and two screwdrivers) know how to service them even?"
    >"Njet"
    >"Anyone train with or use them before? Not like we have spare ammo for training."
    >"Njet"
    >"Okay, heard enough. Throw on pile of other shit we cannot use in field."

    Russian logistics are an iffy mishmash of whatever at the best of times. Do you think many soldiers in the field want to spend god knowsh how long in some desolate trench, semi-isolated with a gun they barely (or just don't) have ammo, mags or parts for?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Subsonic rifles are cool I don't care what anyone else says

  18. 3 weeks ago
    haha

    it's like the mp5. cool af and absolutely 'grail gun' material, but outperformed across the board by basically anything made these days.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Where the hell did all of these go?
    Probably sent off to assassins or sold to cattle ranchers where they'd actually be more useful.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >or sold to cattle ranchers where they'd actually be more useful
      My god, just imagine it, a beautiful crisp spring morning over fields of golden Ukrainian wheat, AS-VAL in hand and pregnant wife by your side.
      A man can dream, can't he?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stop hurting me, Anon

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I saw some in the hands of a Russian police unit in a video a few years back.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The vss and Val allegedly beat themselves to death. They are more speciality weapons for spotters, sentry removal, urban areas and that sort of thing. Mobiks wouldn’t be given them and they wouldn’t be useful to their blocking detachments either.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia doesn't necessarily employ blocking detachments as much as people would think.
      I get that it was a thing with Wagner, and we've even seen evidence of them existing quite recently, but there's nothing that Russia is doing that can't be handled quite easily by some competent officers and MPs.
      As far as I can tell, the Russian military command is highly centralized, but split into distinct army groups that have very little cross-training or influence upon one another.
      There are moments of hyper-competence we've seen from the Russians, especially from the Wagnerites, but those successes haven't influenced large scale changes as much as they should have.
      The AS-VAL wielding VDV attacking Hostomel were a clear indicator of this compartmentalization I'm talking about. They air dropped elite troops that executed a cohesive battle plan, they took their objectives quickly and with limited casualties. But in the overall picture, they're an unsupported infantry group with limited anti-air capabilities and practically no anti-tank weapons hoping to secure an airfield against fighter jets, helicopters, tanks, artillery and infantry.
      All of the experience of the VDV died at Hostomel. They died before they could train their replacements, let alone pass on their knowledge to the other branches.
      This pattern repeats itself.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's an incredibly niche rifle/round suited for SWAT-esque counter terror work.
    Its "armor penetration" was always a meme pushed by videogames and slavaboo midwits; it can't actually even pen level III plates.
    Most of them aren't even in service with regular military units but rather with the Ministry of Interior troops.

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