I'm usually armed when hiking, typically with a Smith and Wesson model 65 though occasionally I'll bring a rifle because carrying a FAL through the brush feels so right
Only americans hike around fricking strapped. They're paranoid schizos that fear a cartel gang will jump out the bushes and rape their nonexistant dakimakura girlfriend
>Euro who drove basically all his fauna into extinction doesn't understand why someone might need a gun innawoods
Can you even call European forests "forests" anymore?
>bitches still haven't killed all their dangerous fauna yet and they have guns instead of bows
lmao fricking losers, house cats have a higher kill count than armed americans.
i live in the heart of europe and we have bears, wolves, and boars the size of cars. the latter will kill you on sight, they don't fear men. you don't have to shittalk me on fauna, but we at least don't roam in bumfrick nowhere hoping to starve or dehidrate 100 miles from the next settlement, because we're not that fricking moronic. american pig.
The reason you're stuck in your European shithole is precisely because you're of the stock of human being who never left to the Americas to explore. American's are a group of explorers and adventurers, whoever lives in Europe today are the descendants of the peasants who were too scared to leave. So yeah, I guess "Americans are moronic for exploring their giant wilderness", whatever makes you feel happy, inferior of peasant stock.
yes, but FYI, unless you're in Alaska, bear spray is easier to use and more effective against bears than a firearm >In a study done in 2008 (Smith et. al. 2008), researchers analyzed 83 bear spray incidents (61 brown bears, 20 black bears and two polar bear). Red Pepper spray proved over 90% successful on stopping the bear’s “undesirable” activity. 98% of people involved in these incidents were unharmed by the bear. > In similar study on firearms (Smith et. al. 2012), they were effective 84% with handguns and 76% with rifles to stop bears from undesirable behavior. The study analyzed 269 bear-human conflicts in Alaska from 1883-2009. The study said, “firearm bearers suffered the same injury rates in close encounters with bears whether they used firearms or not.”
Yeah if you can't shoot, bear spray is fine.
I live in the Montana Rockies - bear spray is for tourists who are afraid of guns. I've been hit by bear spray because the wind turned as someone set it off. I had a friend get a canister puncture on a stump and got hosed with it spraying out of the side.
How can you tell grizzly bear from black bear poop? It's the spicy smelling one with bells in it.
>somehow both is not an option >spray proved over 90% successful >the other 10% get mauled and killed
Yeah, definitely not bringing a gun, that would be silly. When the bear just walks through my spray cone and eats me, I'll have plenty of time to consider how better my chances were for not bringing a gun and deciding I could only bring one item, because it's like Alone, and you are item limited when you leave civilization.
I feel like this may be skewed by willingness to use the spray vs the firearm, most people try to avoid shooting a bear if possible since that can be legal trouble.
Many Americans have actual forests and actual wilderness within walking distance. If you're in remote deep forest with actual wildlife you'd want to carry. America is fricking big, look at a map.
There is no need to carry unless maybe in the Alaskan bush. Even in Montana the only thing you really need are bells on your pack to keep any bears from being startled and a whistle if one looks like it may be interested in you. I've never had a problem.
Are you moronic? Literally last week I was camping in a national forest and had my shotgun at the ready because we heard cougar yowling all night. We could hear a bunch of them fighting maybe 50-60ft from the campsite. It's not just bears.
Cougars are one of the LEAST likely animals to attack you bozo. I'm not even that obvious homosexual you responded to, but jesus christ you city slicker camping gays are scared of your own shadows. You should have responded to him by saying that it's the USA and you can do as you please because of the 2nd, not shown how much of an oblivious moron you are by bringing up cougars as if they're some kind of Far Cry 5 baddie IRL
I mag dumped on a ruffed grouse that exploded out of a bush on the trail just as i was walking by. It scared the living shit out of me. It deserved what it got for doing that to someone
If I’m hiking in the local woods I carry my edc P365. Just replace the hollow points with FMJ for beast of the four legged variety. If I’m up deep innawoods or in bear country I have my Glock 20 in a chest rig with extreme penetrators.
I carry my handgun, not because of the hike, but because I have to get to and from home for the hike. And I'm sure as shit not going to leave it in the car while I'm out in the woods for the weekend.
I carry a G20 with a 7" barrel when I am hiking where I won't see many people
Otherwise, if I am hiking in a public place where I think I might encounter something hostile I cc a G29 with 4.8" barrel and Xtreme penetrator rounds
You're over thinking it. 9mm has downed grizzlies time and time again. But I guess it's easier to throw money to a problem and do all this theoretical min/max vidyeah style RPG planning, than to actually just practice and get good with a handgun.
Don't really go hiking/camping anywhere near as often as I'd like but if I'm going innawoods fair bet I have an AK with me. Also want to get a spear no shorter than 7' to use as a walking stick but most I find online are much shorter than I want. Tip under chin bad.
>but weight!!!1!!!twelve!!!!
I can handle a draco on a sling and a couple loaded mags just fine. Why can't you?
The webm is .40S&W, and if that can down a moose, then going much larger than that for self-defense is just extra weight. I carry a VP9 and I keep it in my hydro pack with my other valubables like wallet and keys, and that's always with me. Mostly for other people. (most) Wildlife usually won't make a problem with humans as long as you're not a fricking moron. Other humans are unpredictable and dangerous.
In over ten years, I've only had one real incident that wasn't related to pets that people had dumped. Was out backpacking in a (Indiana) state park and had camped for the night with the wife. It was dark and we were at that post-meal stage where you're staring at the fire and you know it's time to sleep, but you're just kinda zoned out because it's kinda chilly and the fire feels good. Anyways, we hear some noise approaching and a pair of headlamps. It's not impossible because we weren't too far off the trail, but already this is kinda strange because generally you keep to yourself after dark. A pair of raggedy hippy looking dudes stumble into our camp and they invite themselves to hang out with us. To be fair, the look isn't really a serious red flag because there's a lot of perfectly decent people that look like that out backpacking, but these guys looked sketch and usually you keep a healthy distance when you're dealing with strangers. These guys walked right into camp, so already I'm really on edge.
I was polite, but declined firmly and obviously enough that a drunk could understand, but they pushed the issue. I stood up and wienered the gun without aiming or anything and told them they needed to leave— and they got the message and left.
Again, only major incident in hundreds of trips, but the wife would be completely useless in a fight and I really wouldn't want to be in a brawl, outnumbered with only a leatherman, possibly miles away from assistance or even a road.
P30sk was pretty much my go to in TX. Now that I’m around a lot more black bears I carry a USP40 or HK45 in PrepHole activities. Biggest concern for hiking is always homeless and dumb fricks with pitbulls.
Ruger GP100, no need to collect brass after I kill someone, bit expensive to throw in a lake though
Black 2.5inch? Thats the one I use
Paul?
>gp100
Same. Food for lower 48. Enough to take down black bear, mountain lion, and mountain man. Mine is a “Target Grey” 4”
I never leave the house without a gun, especially considering I live in an area with both Sasquatch and skinwalkers
>inb4 meds
See you on the news, freakshow
>not fearing the literally 3 american cryptids
imagine not concealed carrying 9mm dipped in white ash just in case skinwalkers are real
The only dipping I'll be doing is my fat wiener into that delectable skinwussy
PacNW? I'm more worried about junkies and tweakers
Same, but normally for tweakers. My hobbies normally put me in ghost/hobo territory more than cryptid territory
I'm usually armed when hiking, typically with a Smith and Wesson model 65 though occasionally I'll bring a rifle because carrying a FAL through the brush feels so right
>hiking with a rifle
lol frick that. hand gun, sure. i just carry bear spray.
anyone who carries a rifle with them on a hike is moronic, what a waste of weight
>what a waste of weight
This, you people must not hike very far or for very long.
I've gone backpacking for over a week with only bear spray and a knife. You people are way too timid if you need a gun to go anywhere.
Only americans hike around fricking strapped. They're paranoid schizos that fear a cartel gang will jump out the bushes and rape their nonexistant dakimakura girlfriend
>They're paranoid schizos that fear a cartel gang will jump out the bushes and rape their nonexistant dakimakura girlfriend
Because it's a legitimate concern here
The North American wilderness is full of cryptids, Eurocucks wouldn't understand, you killed all yours centuries ago
And only non-americans end up getting their ass eaten by skinwalkers. American buttholes are completely safe, unlike everyone else's
>Euro who drove basically all his fauna into extinction doesn't understand why someone might need a gun innawoods
Can you even call European forests "forests" anymore?
And how long exactly before your own fauna goes extinct if you hike around strapped with guns?
Lol. Let me guess it's just two more weeks till vermont runs red with blood like in the old west due to thier CC laws?
LMAO we have more grizzlies now than any time in the last century. Enjoy your parks, eurohomo
Roadkill accounts for exponentially more wildlife deaths than hunting.
>bitches still haven't killed all their dangerous fauna yet and they have guns instead of bows
lmao fricking losers, house cats have a higher kill count than armed americans.
i live in the heart of europe and we have bears, wolves, and boars the size of cars. the latter will kill you on sight, they don't fear men. you don't have to shittalk me on fauna, but we at least don't roam in bumfrick nowhere hoping to starve or dehidrate 100 miles from the next settlement, because we're not that fricking moronic. american pig.
The reason you're stuck in your European shithole is precisely because you're of the stock of human being who never left to the Americas to explore. American's are a group of explorers and adventurers, whoever lives in Europe today are the descendants of the peasants who were too scared to leave. So yeah, I guess "Americans are moronic for exploring their giant wilderness", whatever makes you feel happy, inferior of peasant stock.
Depending on where you hike you have various kinds of really large mammals to consider.
yes, but FYI, unless you're in Alaska, bear spray is easier to use and more effective against bears than a firearm
>In a study done in 2008 (Smith et. al. 2008), researchers analyzed 83 bear spray incidents (61 brown bears, 20 black bears and two polar bear). Red Pepper spray proved over 90% successful on stopping the bear’s “undesirable” activity. 98% of people involved in these incidents were unharmed by the bear.
> In similar study on firearms (Smith et. al. 2012), they were effective 84% with handguns and 76% with rifles to stop bears from undesirable behavior. The study analyzed 269 bear-human conflicts in Alaska from 1883-2009. The study said, “firearm bearers suffered the same injury rates in close encounters with bears whether they used firearms or not.”
Yeah if you can't shoot, bear spray is fine.
I live in the Montana Rockies - bear spray is for tourists who are afraid of guns. I've been hit by bear spray because the wind turned as someone set it off. I had a friend get a canister puncture on a stump and got hosed with it spraying out of the side.
How can you tell grizzly bear from black bear poop? It's the spicy smelling one with bells in it.
>somehow both is not an option
>spray proved over 90% successful
>the other 10% get mauled and killed
Yeah, definitely not bringing a gun, that would be silly. When the bear just walks through my spray cone and eats me, I'll have plenty of time to consider how better my chances were for not bringing a gun and deciding I could only bring one item, because it's like Alone, and you are item limited when you leave civilization.
I feel like this may be skewed by willingness to use the spray vs the firearm, most people try to avoid shooting a bear if possible since that can be legal trouble.
what are bears
>says the brown skinned ESL third worlder that would be imprisoned and executed for owning a gun
lol
What are human traffickers, Eurobeck? What about Border Patrol 389k worth of Gotaways since October of 2021 till last month?
Many Americans have actual forests and actual wilderness within walking distance. If you're in remote deep forest with actual wildlife you'd want to carry. America is fricking big, look at a map.
There is no need to carry unless maybe in the Alaskan bush. Even in Montana the only thing you really need are bells on your pack to keep any bears from being startled and a whistle if one looks like it may be interested in you. I've never had a problem.
>need
gtfo
Are you moronic? Literally last week I was camping in a national forest and had my shotgun at the ready because we heard cougar yowling all night. We could hear a bunch of them fighting maybe 50-60ft from the campsite. It's not just bears.
Cougars are one of the LEAST likely animals to attack you bozo. I'm not even that obvious homosexual you responded to, but jesus christ you city slicker camping gays are scared of your own shadows. You should have responded to him by saying that it's the USA and you can do as you please because of the 2nd, not shown how much of an oblivious moron you are by bringing up cougars as if they're some kind of Far Cry 5 baddie IRL
>He doesn't live cougars
Kindly frick off moron, they are indeed crazy random Far Cry tier experiences
>There is no need to carry
SHALL
homosexual ass b***h, buy a gun.
In Montana they always said "you don't carry a gun for bears you meet in the woods, you carry a gun for people you meet in the woods."
I mag dumped on a ruffed grouse that exploded out of a bush on the trail just as i was walking by. It scared the living shit out of me. It deserved what it got for doing that to someone
>another seething euro from a literal who country coming to /k/ to sperg about Americans again
Yawn.
At least I have a waifu worth protecting
Europeans literally cant go 10 minutes without envying us hahaha
>t. future grizzly food
Always got my heat on for the urban jungle, these days people shoot first ask questions last, its a mess
>When you hiking are you usually armed?
No.
If I’m hiking in the local woods I carry my edc P365. Just replace the hollow points with FMJ for beast of the four legged variety. If I’m up deep innawoods or in bear country I have my Glock 20 in a chest rig with extreme penetrators.
Chest strapped 44 living in grizzly country.
I carry my handgun, not because of the hike, but because I have to get to and from home for the hike. And I'm sure as shit not going to leave it in the car while I'm out in the woods for the weekend.
>dont carry in the woods just bear spray is enough
its always either bear paws or homosexual euros that don't go outside typing this shit
reminds me of something I often see on PrepHole, every euro thinks a truck can be replaced by a jetta with a hitch and a rented trailer.
I carry a G20 with a 7" barrel when I am hiking where I won't see many people
Otherwise, if I am hiking in a public place where I think I might encounter something hostile I cc a G29 with 4.8" barrel and Xtreme penetrator rounds
You're over thinking it. 9mm has downed grizzlies time and time again. But I guess it's easier to throw money to a problem and do all this theoretical min/max vidyeah style RPG planning, than to actually just practice and get good with a handgun.
usually i do
but here lately i've been going unarmed hoping a mf would
i might have aggression issues mixed with a death wish
Don't really go hiking/camping anywhere near as often as I'd like but if I'm going innawoods fair bet I have an AK with me. Also want to get a spear no shorter than 7' to use as a walking stick but most I find online are much shorter than I want. Tip under chin bad.
>but weight!!!1!!!twelve!!!!
I can handle a draco on a sling and a couple loaded mags just fine. Why can't you?
The webm is .40S&W, and if that can down a moose, then going much larger than that for self-defense is just extra weight. I carry a VP9 and I keep it in my hydro pack with my other valubables like wallet and keys, and that's always with me. Mostly for other people. (most) Wildlife usually won't make a problem with humans as long as you're not a fricking moron. Other humans are unpredictable and dangerous.
In over ten years, I've only had one real incident that wasn't related to pets that people had dumped. Was out backpacking in a (Indiana) state park and had camped for the night with the wife. It was dark and we were at that post-meal stage where you're staring at the fire and you know it's time to sleep, but you're just kinda zoned out because it's kinda chilly and the fire feels good. Anyways, we hear some noise approaching and a pair of headlamps. It's not impossible because we weren't too far off the trail, but already this is kinda strange because generally you keep to yourself after dark. A pair of raggedy hippy looking dudes stumble into our camp and they invite themselves to hang out with us. To be fair, the look isn't really a serious red flag because there's a lot of perfectly decent people that look like that out backpacking, but these guys looked sketch and usually you keep a healthy distance when you're dealing with strangers. These guys walked right into camp, so already I'm really on edge.
I was polite, but declined firmly and obviously enough that a drunk could understand, but they pushed the issue. I stood up and wienered the gun without aiming or anything and told them they needed to leave— and they got the message and left.
Again, only major incident in hundreds of trips, but the wife would be completely useless in a fight and I really wouldn't want to be in a brawl, outnumbered with only a leatherman, possibly miles away from assistance or even a road.
ok what the frick is that thing?
the most annoying dude to run into on a hike
> clearly doesn't hike
gtfo your futon and clock some larp hours
I’m ALWAYS armed. If you aren’t you’re a homosexual
No because there are no feral animals where I hike (wolves, bears, joggers...)
P30sk was pretty much my go to in TX. Now that I’m around a lot more black bears I carry a USP40 or HK45 in PrepHole activities. Biggest concern for hiking is always homeless and dumb fricks with pitbulls.
I want a lightweight hiking carbine in 5.7x28
Its basically .17hmr but center fire and faster burning powder. 10" is plenty for it.
So a P50 with a brace?
Seems good for survivalist stuff but not sure it's what I would pick against bears or other predators.