>when you get assfucked so hard by savages you make the worlds largest copewall to compensate
so was this thing actually that effective
>when you get assfucked so hard by savages you make the worlds largest copewall to compensate
>when you get assfucked so hard by savages you make the worlds largest copewall to compensate
so was this thing actually that effective
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>so was this thing actually that effective
Yes, but it wasn't built by the chinese or to keep anyone in or out. It was quite literally the silk road. It extended all the way to Europe at one point. Look into it, the evidence is pretty abundant.
the fortified side of the wall faces towards china. that anon might be onto something. it was probably Tartary that built it. could have also been the AliExpress of back then.
>the fortified side of the wall faces towards china.
Huh? Both sides are the same
Nope. The side facing towards China has crenellations (like castle walls) and the side facing away from China is just regular knee wall. The side facing China also has more port holes. Why would you need port holes facing inwards? I don't buy it was built by the chinese.
>nope your photo evidence isn't proof, here's the subjective ramblings of a slav with fetal alcohol syndrome that you can trust
>Why would you need port holes facing inwards?
To keep your population penned up.
>Why would you need port holes facing inwards?
To let light and fresh in? It would be a dark room if there were no windows.
>The side facing towards China has crenellations
Have you seet the photo? There are crenelations on both sides
>I don't buy it was built by the chinese.
I like this concept as bait because it will cause endless Chinese rage, but seriously who would have the manpower aside from them
The chinese weren't able to properly man it either.They had massive supply problems everytime they tried to man large sections of it.Even after they settled farmers and build massive supply stores.It got so bad that the garrisons were constantly defecting to the nomads that had food.
bro what the fuck. The one perk of Chinese society is Imperial Bureaucracy. We literally have the build dates for the wall. The taxes levied to make it, and the workers press ganged for its formation.
It was used tactically a bit like Arminius' wall. Enemy in force could get over relatively easy but Chinese relief army was trained to move along and hold the wall then pin an enemy stranded on the inside against it. Elimination was always the big fear in ancient warfare. A deep raid, a slow raid, an encumbered raid (booty), was made less feasible.
Not gonna spoonfeed. Look into the Tartarian Empire, lost / fake history etc. It's too deep of a rabbit hole to go into here.
>Not gonna spoonfeed.
So no proofs? Ok then.
>So no proofs? Ok then.
If I cite you books on the subject will you read them? Of course you wont, you're some gay Reddit tourist.
NTA but do it, I fucking dare you
real schizo shit
I like the story that Minamoto Yoshitsune (Gen Gikei in on'yomi reading) escaped his death in the Genpei War and ended up as Genghis Khan better
It's a deep rabbithole of completely retarded bullshit. I like it though because the moment anybody says "Tartaria" I know to completely write that person off as somebody worth listening to.
>look at this building and this other building that are superficially similar. This proves there is a lost empire that was written out the history books.
It's not hard to believe in lost history, they don't want you to know the pyramids were built with mastodons as draft animals, the Chosen people want all the credit.
>It's not hard to believe in baseless speculation and giant leaps to outlandish conclusions
It is if you're not a retard or desperate to feel smarter than others.
Just another denyer.
No one who knows what they’re talking about says the garden gnomes built the pyramids anymore. If you’re getting mad at a stupid person for being stupid then you’re gonna have a tough time in life.
>Look into the Tartarian Empire
Oh god.
Are you going to post some old photos of buildings under buildings, which some cities have well documented cases of building on top of itself, and clearly photoshopped photos, then point to it and say the most schizo things?
Why are you telling him to take 500mg Nabumetone tablets?
Are you suggesting he has arthritis?
>Tartary empire
Have vatmoron shills got mindbroken so hard that they have to resort to peddling Russo-centric alt-history schizophrenia instead of the regular cope? This is basically believing in the Korean-Finnish Hyperwar but unironically.
Wait, the Finno-Korean Hyperwar wasn't real?
not cool denying Finno-Korean Hyperwar, gooe we'll get sequal soon
>It extended all the way to Europe at one poin
Can confirm, I live in Europe and a Chinese wall just slithered over my house
Well, aside from the Mongols and the Manchus, there have not been any other well known steppe invasions into China past that wall
There was an invasion that went around it but that was hundreds of years after it was built so maybe it worked until then like the Maginot line of its time.
What was more effective was the divide and conquer policy of the Han against the Mongols, they married princesses to the southern Mongols and traded with them and made them a soft ally. The Southern Mongols and Northern Mongols fought each other for centuries until Ghengis unified them.
>How effective was the great wall?
It didn't keep the communist out.
>it was finished after the people it was meant to keep out conquered everyone
No
It wasn't built to keep barbarians out.
It was built to keep their serfs in.
Some chinks started digging a hole into it to create a shortcut kek.
Not against excavators, apparently.
https://abc7chicago.com/the-great-wall-of-china-32nd-damaged-news/13738668/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/great-wall-of-china-severely-damaged-by-two-cnn.com-with-an-excavator-police-say/ar-AA1ggILR
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/china-authorities-arrest-2-for-smashing-shortcut-through-great-wall-with-excavator/ar-AA1giVfa
>China's Great Wall has been pierced by Genghis Khan, the Manchus, and now, allegedly, a couple of construction workers named Zheng and Wang who wanted a shortcut.
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>Authorities in China arrested two people for smashing a path through a section of the ancient wall, a cultural icon and United Nations protected heritage site.
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>The area of the breach was a broken-down section far from the restored segments most Chinese and foreign tourists are familiar with.
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>The government of Youyu County, hundreds of kilometers (miles) west of Beijing showed a dirt road cut through a section of the wall against a rural landscape, along with the two suspects, identified as a 38-year-old man surnamed Zheng and a 55-year-old woman surnamed Wang.
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>The pair wanted a shorter route for some construction work they were doing in nearby towns, the government report said.
>The pair wanted a shorter route for some construction work they were doing in nearby towns, the government report said.
>By smashing through ancient historical landmarks
The cultural revolution is alive and well.
Yes but also no.
The problem with the Great Wall was it was monstrously expensive. It was also static. The point was less to be impregnable and more to be an early warning system + funnel invaders into specific areas that would theoretically be easier to defend. In practice it had mixed success, often more to do with funding and Chinese competency. Which was usually trending towards incompetent. For being so big and powerful China was usually very bad at war and routinely lost to much smaller numbers of steppe nomad horsemen. The Great Wall was an attempt to counterbalance this, and again had limited success. It’s also a bit of a misnomer. The original “Great Wall” was just an upgrade to existing fortifications and strongpoints, and there were numerous rebuilds, improvements, expansions, and waxes and wanes in its strength, effectiveness, and length. The final upgrade to its systems was, less than effective. As it had been in disrepair for many many decades, and was largely obsoleted by the existence of new siege weapons and techniques when a particular emperor of an already flagging China decided to spend a shitton of money and manpower to reinforce what had become mostly earthworks and crumbling towers at the time.
Hard to get a horse over a twenty foot wall without spending a shit load of time (time that the Chinese are using to funnel reinforcements) tearing down sections of it. Then good luck trying to hold the breach with a part of your raid or making another breach while being chased down.
It's like the Rhine and Danube frontiers. Yeah, you can swim the river, but that limits what you can do on the other side and what you can bring back. You can build a bridge, but that gets noticed and gives the Romans time to use those meat roads they built to drop a legion on your head.
they not just give a fuck so much about the horse, they also give a fuck about the nomads stealing a huge load of sheep and also horse carted baubles the other way. hard to steal stuff means the barbarians stay the fuck away
What really bugs me is his usage of “e.g.”
Well, he is a barbarian.
well they have successfully kept out the mexicans, so yea clearly the wall works
It didn’t necessarily stop invasions but it made it a hell of a lot harder to get horses in and out, and to carry loot out.
they build several different wall of different complexity over centuries, some for external threats, some for internal ones. much later the walls were expanded and strengthened into the ones were are familiar with today. then after china was conquered and unified with Mongolia, the walls no longer served much of a purpose and fell into disrepair.
The walls were used for defense, garrisoning troops, as well as signaling and moving troops and supplies along some difficult mountain ranges.
Most of the wall doesn't even look like that most of it is tiny and crumbled.
they didnt have a massive mountain range and other natural barriers to their north like the gayreeks and romans did. Italy and greece/balkans are some of the most easily defensible regions on earth
cope
No they just had a fuckhuge desert instead
>completely flat gobi desert you can traverse within 2 weeks by horseback
>after you traverse it you can attack at any point in the chinese border
>completely ignores the jurchen and khitan northwestern region that has conquered china multiple times.
Gobi being a desert makes it less of an advantage for china because china cant just settle and create walled cities encroaching into steppe territory
>so was this thing actually that effective
Yes. Beause the wall is not meant to stop the attacks, its meant to force the nomads to attacks where you want to instead of wherever they want to
Highly effective. Unfortunately it can't account for the avarice of man. Lol. The Khan just bribed a local official who opened the gate for him and walked straight through.