When will we get a proper successor to the EF-111

When will we get a proper successor to the EF-111

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >successor to the EF-111
    Why not an EF-15?
    > twin wienerpit, so room for EW officer in back
    > can carry stores / bombs as F-15E so has room for wing-mounted EW pods
    > already has a logistics train
    > already has pilots
    > can A2A refuel
    > can carry HARM type missiles
    > can carry AIM-9 for self defense

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've suggested that idea before in a few other places. To me it seems like the best existing tactical aircraft of the USAF you could do it with. The FAST packs used as CFTs were originally designed to carry all sorts of stuff so you could probably put some components related to the EW suite in there.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dedicated jamming aircraft are less necessary now with automation, AESA radars and sensor fusion.

    In the past handling electronic warfare had a significant workload and you would need multiple dedicated systems to handle different bands and electronic attack types.
    Now the computer does a lot of this stuff for you and AESA panels can handle a variety of different tasks on different frequencies, often at the same time.

    The F-35 basically has the features of a dedicated electronic attack aircraft built in, largely in support of it's SEAD/DEAD mission.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure the F-35 has an excellent jamming suite, but for things like stand-off jamming you need power. A single engine isn't going to cut it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, having a lower RCS means you need less jamming.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        F-35 will be capable of producing 240kW of electric power and delivering 80kW of cooling, what do you think it's needed for, air conditioning for the pilot?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >inb4 muh F135 limitation
          Can't Lockheed simply add another bulge for a small turboshaft air compressor? The F-35 already has a small turboshaft APU.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A flight of F-35s fused with MADL can combine the power of their arrays to prosecute targets, radiative power is also a function of distance (to the square) and more survivable platforms can get closer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just make a drone for it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The F135 and all variants thereof generate more electricity than all four engines on a 747 or an A-350 airliner. It's like how a few people were b***hing about how the F-35C's single engine made it too unreliable for carrier operations, when the F135-PW-400 actually has a lower chance of failing than both F404s on a legacy hornet would simultaneously.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure they are also developing an F-35 EW variant. Plus there is the Growler.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Pretty sure they are also developing an F-35 EW variant

        they aren't. they're developing new pods for the growler with occasional talk about integrating them into the F-35 as well but afaik there's been no funding or other formal movement towards making it happen.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >In the past handling electronic warfare had a significant workload and you would need multiple dedicated systems to handle different bands and electronic attack types.
      >Different bands
      AESA cannot into different bands

      Dedicated jammers are still very much necessary to jam anything outside of X-band.

      And before you bring it up; no, frequency-hopping does not mean hopping from band to band.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am once again asking for an F-35XL.
    Then they could turn that into an EF-35XL

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine how big it’s ripped tummy would be..

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >No propellers
    Do those pods even work?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One interesting thing is that dedicated anti-radiation missiles are much less useful in the present day.

    Instead of being forced to turn off their radar, typically modern Sam sites will just shoot down incoming ARMs instead.
    In fact against fast and multi mode seeker ARMs this is usually much more effective than trying to displace.

    Modern multirole aircraft, not even dedicated EA, can also carry powerful ELINT sensors that make the passive radiation seeker of an ARM basically redundant.
    It's often better to attack with a large number of smaller, low signature weapons to overwhelm the defences of the missile battery.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not sure I agree with you there. Against the greatest and latest air defenses, think an S-400 site supported by all of the lower level things like Panstir, you want to use a whole mix of things. Decoys like MALD just there to distract and be confusing. Then a mix of low RCS glide bombs or cruise missiles hitting the target area at the same time as the latest HARM variants are hitting.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not trying to be a contrarian butthole, but how is it that HARM's were successfully deployed against S-400's, 300's and Pantsirs without them being able to shoot them down?

      Note: am not familiar with EW and SEAD

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        HARMs have been shot down in Ukraine and vice versa with Kh-31.

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