When will Wagner PMC inevitably turn against Russia? Posted on May 5, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor When will Wagner PMC inevitably turn against Russia?
in two weeks
after they take Bakhmut
their future base of operations
What is stopping them from taking Bakhmut?
Uh... uh. Nothing, they just don't wanna right now!
*angry monkey noises intensify*
>all this sneeding about rusmorons facing the consequences of their choices
Oh no if only there was a way to avoid getting killed in a retarded war of aggression.
>release video complaining about ammo shortage after you supposedly found 300 000 crates of guns and ammo
also new soijack dropped
where is that gear from and is it any good?
Looks like some of those crates contain Thompsons that the soviets got under the original lend-lease during WW2
>Ukranians with M16A1s fighting against Wagnerite convict soldiers armed with lend-lease surplus in a Great War-esque muddy hellscape dominated by drones and artillery
From the Russian MoD, the kvetching about lack of supplies is bullshit. You also don't find 300k crates of brand new equipment just buried in some mine.
supposedly war spoils. In reality it's clearly cope for having to arm the convicts with pre-soviet tsarist small arms
>the pallets in the background
HATO bros... they captured our wunderwaffen...
what pallets, I only see battens and fire wood
Yeah, sure, it's not lie lying propaganda. We should trust everything what russians say.
Well duh, that's a no-brainer.
The question is, which is he lying about, finding ammo, or having none?
small arms ammunition=/= mortar and artillery shells retard
Look, ammo is ammo. Handguns in the right hands can be much more effective than howitzers and tanks. And Russians have the right hands, they know how to shoot things.
>they know how to shoot things
If by "things" you mean "own foot"
yes the massive arms storage with 300 000 crates at the frontline surely was just small arms.
but since thats not even the point of my post in the first place i am going to spell it out for you:
the depot story was a fucking lie
they didnt find a depot that big in a mine under a city they controlled for months
>with the magazine already loaded in the gun
brehs just shoot less often, do more scouting and less rushing
what if... those dead musicians are actually dead Ukrainians and this was all a ploy to get more ammunition. Prigozhin is a machiavellian super villian afterall.
Have you seen the ukie trench assault vids?
yeah, shit is wild
Where do you suppose most of the deaths occur? I've seen videos of Ukies strolling through trenches with an entire Russian element strewn about. Some of them have been there so long they've sunk into the ground or have melted into the sides of the sorry excuse for a trench.
Why not just pull back then? It's not like they're the ones defending their homeland
> It's not like they're the ones defending their homeland
Why do people volunteer for conquest? Its an alien thought for most western societies but 100 or 200 years ago people would sign up to go bully mexicans or morons for reasources and it was completely acceptable. What happened?
Signing up for a war of aggression is fine, but continuing to push while you supposedly don't have enough ammo seems suspect
You answered your own question. Resources, material gain. To a smaller extent peer pressure. Let's hold no illusion that a conquering army is a bastion of order and morality. They're mostly poor or opportunistic people who are looking for material gains.
Why was it morally acceptable back then and not now?
I don't think much has changed. There's pressure from the international community now due to globalization. But otherwise I think a conquest is still morally acceptable from the invading side's perspective, provided certain facts are put forward more than others.
>Why do people volunteer for conquest? Its an alien thought for most western societies but 100 or 200 years ago people would sign up to go bully mexicans or morons for reasources and it was completely acceptable. What happened?
Flynn effect. It's simply easier to be educated now, and someone who understands the role of the soldier understands that throughout history, they've always been the lowest caste.
You'll never want your productive citizens to fight in a war, only the disposable.
>The wild animals of [Rome] have their dens. Each of them has a place of rest and refuge, but those who fight and die for Italy have nothing[,] nothing except the air and the light. Houseless and homeless they roam the land with their children and wives... They fight and die to protect the rich and luxurious lifestyle enjoyed by others. These so-called masters of the world have not one clod of earth that they can call their own.
It's not morally acceptable now, because people are wiser to it. They know more or less that the powers that be are simply using them.
I can only assume he either thinks this will play well enough with Putin and the nationalists to make him a candidate for Tsar or that Wagner is on the verge of mutiny.
>YFW 10,000 Wager join the Russian Freedom Legion and turn on Russia to kick off the offensive.
May they all enjoy the same fate.
>these guys are all dead but it's nothing to do with me of course, it's everybody else's fault and you should feel bad and give me stuff !
lol what a fucking cunt, so fucking russian.
im suprised the ukies havent convinced him to sideswap
Who keeps trying to bring this shit up? What retard thinks this is even a valid "talking point"?
he seems to be reaching a breaking point with moscow, he has lost thousands of his own men to take one city, im just suprised ukies havent convvinced with a land stake in russia
Because the stupid fuck is the one propagating killing POWs in his ranks, or did you forget?
>guys this NATO bombing will TOTALLY have Arkan swap sides any day now
Why in the fuck would they want anything from him except his head on a pike?
>why would ukies want ruskies to kill each other
Gee I dunno Bill
>They came here as volunteers and are dying for you to get a free ride
Incredible, he said something true, something that makes sense
Notice how he criticizes Shoygu and Gerasimov, but not the big monke himself.
He's not going to turn against Putin.
tsar good boyar bad
You don't understand how Russia works.
The Tsar cannot be wrong. To even imply so would be heresy.
As it is impossible, the boyars under the Tsar must be at fault.
The Tsar is always infallible, until he suddenly gets usurped.
Then the next Tsar will blame everything on the previous Tsar.
And the cycle repeats.
It'd be kino, doubt it though. It would be fun to see some fascist ass bullshit like the blackshirt's march on Rome. Maybe if Putin gets murked and some weak-ass stand in replaces him, prigozhin could march to moscow with wagner and take control. Gods IMAGINE the evil empire propaganda
people forget how small Wagner is and how reliant he is on Russian army.
The way you're fetishizing this incompetent bald fuck is revolting. Keep your little fits of gayry to yourself.
Yeah, genuinely subhuman, worthless cocktards.
Remember, folks, Prigozhin also owns the Glavset, which is where most of these bags of diarrhea they send here to shill Z work at.
I've always had a bit of a soft spot for the OG separatists (Givi, Motorolla, Strelkov) and Wagner because they appear far more genuine than RF proper.
>OG separatists (Givi, Motorolla, Strelkov)
it's funny calling them separatists when two of the guys you've named never been to Donbas before 2014
It's funny calling them that since first two were spetsnaz operatives and the last one is omega ruski FSB glowie who did partake in rusmoron operations in chudsitria, Balkan shitfest war, Chechenya, Georgia
Those people are not who YOU think they are, and Strelkov is particularly proud of his past
Givi was a nobody security guard from Ukraine no? He got turned away from the Ukie military I thought
Givi was from Luhansk, Motorola had medal for "liberation of Crimea", was kicked from Kharkiv before running away to Donetsk and everyone knows who Girkin is. Yes
No, both Givi and Motorola were experienced spetsnaz soldiers, what makes you think some "literally whos?" would be put in charge of all the units assigned to the region?
Motorolla maybe. Givi? substatiate your claims
vatmorons screeching only further proves it
How about YOU tell me how a "security mall guard/coalmine worker/factory worker" since that narrative keeps changing all the time, COULD be assigned as COMMANDER of the forces, being responsible for planning and execution of offensive operations, huh?
You moron I wasnt arguing against him.
He was former Ukie military
He was not lmao, neither he did ever claim such thing, nor the ukrops, if he was in ukrainian military they would be swift to label him as traitor publicly
He served pre 2014 in the year 2000. Way before any of this shit happened.
No, there was interview where he claimed he was a civie neverserved, obivously it's bullshit but he was not ukrainian serviceman at all, instead a professional high ranking soldier in russian federation
Please post the interview for our edification
>He served pre 2014 in the year 2000
>Where did you learn how to fight?
>I went through a good school, you won't believe it, in the armed forces of Ukraine. For two years of military service, I was engaged in this business with great pleasure. I wanted to stay in contract service in 2000, but did not pass due to a speech impediment
May I see actual proof? Where are his pictures from then? Paper records? ANYTHING?
are you implying what legendary donbabwe commander is a dirty liar? or he is le super secret agent and dropped his cover story in KP inverview?
wrong. He was a conscript from 1998 to 2000. Hardly enough to warrant his influence but get your shit right gay
"I was a civie mine worker, I never served even tho I wanted to ;_; " - Givi
So its Givi's word agaisnt Givi's word? Cool that clears things up
Don't expect any consistency from Givi nor Motorola statements, back in 2014/2015 during battles there was short interview with him at the frontline where he claimed that he was "just an ordinary mine worker who lives here, not any person with military knowledge or training, we self-learn as we go"
Obviously as his fame grew he had to change that story to sound more plausible but even the final version, the "conscript with a military school" doesn't give any confidence to why would he be commanded of the front, responsible for coordination of infantry, tanks and artillery during offensives and defensives, that shit just doesn't add up.
100% ruski spetsnaz glowie commander
somehwat charismatic media personality getting promotions in hastily and poorly organized militia forces and ends up "commanding" one "batallion". yeah, thats impossible unless he's mega secret gru fsb spn agent
Did they actually headshot him?
Same tbh they seem like normal people in a weird way
Anon, are you nuts?!
I’m gonna be completely honest when I say I don’t really give a shit about Eastern European shitfest politics, but Givi always struck me as a cool guy. I have a lot of respect for someone who can go from working at a rope factory to being a decently successful rebel military leader. Was bummed when I learned that the Ukrainian glowies had gotten him.
>Long running feud with government authorities
>Interviewer head-on asking if he would ever storm Moscow
>Hired previous MoD deputy
>Keeps crying about being denied support by MoD
>Has only army effective enough to take any kind of ground
He has to be near breaking point. If Ukies manage to take territory in style of kharkiv offensive I think he might snap and march on Moscow with casus belli of "getting rid of foreign agents in government"
The Burger King has really hit some hard times
I would say Wagner is setting up to become a rebel faction that targets whomever (at Putin's direction) so that Russia can avoid the blame, but I just don't see Russia being capable of making that kind of play in 2023.
>Has only army effective enough to take any kind of ground
What kind of ground has Wagner taken? A couple of miles in Bakhmut?
I can smell glavset roosters here, they're trying to play up this bloated buffoon for some reason. It's never going to work.
I recognize that gay blowjob!
Holy shit anon good timing on the thread. About 2 hours after you posted
It's over guys... Prigozhin has officially become the basedjack...
lol how has nobody spotted it yet..
HEY! I recognize that gay blowjob. KEK I didn't even expand the image until now.
Turn against them with what?
Whom shall they swell their ranks with?
Who else will pay them?
In terms of manpower, funding, equipment, and ammunition, in short in all meaningful areas for a "private" military contractor, they are utterly dependant on the Russian state. They are a de facto department of the Russian army.
The most damage someone like Prigozhin could possibly do is to simply cease doing anything - which is kind of what he's suggesting with withdrawing from Bakhmut on the 10th.
When pic related ?
I will fucking laugh until I cry if he actually decides to become dollar store big boss and build outer heaven in Africa
He'd have to get there first.
“I must go my gold mines need me”
It will prolly go something like this
Shit wrong one
That doesn't work, they're part of the Russian government. This is all theatre, you stupid cunt. How have you not learned anything from watching the Russians your whole life? What manner of inherent stupidity drives you?
Wagner is Russia - as is FSB GRU and countless other private and state entities.
they can turn on Putin but not without backing of huge chunk of those shadow powers. and there is already power struggle there - Dugins daughter, her boyfriend, in Prigozins restaurant? Lots of common between those attacks...
and bombing of Russian flag? - its to undermine Putin - and this drone was not in autonomous mode - it exploded in exactly right moment when it was next to the flag and did not try to dive into building...
act of goodwill status??