When the dust has settled and this war is over, what will be the most important take-aways from it? What significant changes will it bring in how we see war and what systems to use?
Obviously the focus on counter-insurgency is out the window and mechanized warfare is back in fashion, but what else?
>Cheap drones are indispensable in how much information they can provide, as well as the fear-factor involved knowing one might be strapped with a bomb
>Air systems once again rule and are the difference between a swift victory or a giant WW1-tier war of attrition
>It's a good idea to inform your soldiers that you are going to invade prior to the invasion
if you never define your victory conditions, you can never lose
underrated
But you cannot win, either
That's a big fish.
for you
What's the largest fish you could 1 vs 1 in its natural body of water (no boat).
You can use whatever weapon you can physically carry into the water on your personal, but no vehicles / other people.
Some kind of shark probably as long as you can use a knife. Sharks aren't tough enough to take a stab to the face with something as sharp as a knife. They put bear claws to shame.
If you get a harpoon, a great white as long as you know where it's coming (probably from below)
A whale shark, with a harpoon.
It's not a really difficult question, considering the largest fish on earth is actually pretty harmless since it only eats plankton.
Look at it, it doesn't even have any teeth!
Don't kill whale sharks Anon. They're really cool.
Based on my experience in Barotrauma, with a Harpoon gun and some explosive harpoons, I could probably kill literally anything short of a Sperm Whale.
How are people in Europe supposed to swim when you have man sized Wels Catfish? How often do swimmers go missing?
Wels Catfish usually dont get that big, but they have found one with human remains in it, probably from scavenging. Thing is, they just dont attack humans because we arent really prey.
However, in areas where they arent really native (Italy), theyve learned some very unusual hunting behaviour, like breaching like orcas to hunt for pigeons.
We didn't have those 50 years ago. They are called siluro here in Spain. They don't have any predators so they can get very big.
https://www.elnortedecastilla.es/sociedad/monstruo-siluro-ebro-20180608172729-nt.html
He's big, but they're not that big, that's cheeky camera work to make it look bigger than it is. Mekong catfish are the biggest in the world, but most catfish of that size aren't know for being active predators and usually just sit on the bottom and wait for food to come to them. There isn't a single species of catfish that can swallow a child, let alone full grown man, with out killing itself. Catfish that can take people are urban legends and nothing more.
>t.diver who spends a lot of time in freshwater around catfish.
>t.diver who spends a lot of time in freshwater around catfish.
I believe you but shit like the Goonch Catfish makes me feel uneasy. Why did God have to give a Catfish proper teeth of all things?
>he doesn't know about beluga sturgeon
The largest accepted record is of a female taken in 1827 in the Volga estuary at 1,571 kg (3,463 lb) and 7.2 m (23 ft 7 in).[10] Another specimen reportedly weighed 1,220 kg (2,690 lb) and measured 6.1 m (20 ft 0 in) in length. Claims about greater length (10 m (32 ft 10 in), or even 12 m (39 ft 4 in)); and weight (2,000 kg (4,400 lb), 2,500 kg (5,500 lb), or even 3,000 kg (6,600 lb)) are disputed and unconfirmed; but they are not impossible.
>Male great whites on average measure 3.4 to 4.0 m (11 to 13 ft) in length, while females measure 4.6 to 4.9 m (15 to 16 ft).[5] Adults of this species weigh 522–771 kg (1,151–1,700 lb) on average;[60] however, mature females can have an average mass of 680–1,110 kg (1,500–2,450 lb).[4] The largest females have been verified up to 6.1 m (20 ft) in length and an estimated 1,905 kg (4,200 lb) in weight,[4] perhaps up to 2,268 kg (5,000 lb).[61] The maximum size is subject to debate because some reports are rough estimations or speculations performed under questionable circumstances.
mogged
Sturgeons are critically endangered, the catfish are exploding in population
>Well congratulations, you got yourself caught.
Don't underestimate your enemy
Logistics are everything
...
But those lesson are like 20 centuries old anyway.
>Logistics are everything
Even though it's millennia old, modern warfare does separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to logistics. Any army that cant handle its logistics will just flat-out not perform well.
It makes pic related all the more impressive
This wasn't even fair, like god damn.
The US with lax ROI is probably the only thing scarier than when canadians stopped apologizing and got into WWII. Obviously they're not that scary today.
All this war tells us is how two shitty 1980s militaries perform when you give one of them a few boxes of modern technology.
All it proves is that outside America it's nothing but backwards cavemen who haven't caught up to where we were in the early nineties.
There's a lot more than that, retard-kun.
Not anything important to a non 1980s military. We still dont know how any of this shit would play out with modern tech and modern soldiers on both sides, because as it turns out those only exist in America.
>When the dust has settled and this war is over, what will be the most important take-aways from it?
USA has no one even close to their power level.
A bit too furry, but I like the spirit!
It's fanart of that North Korean propaganda cartoon.
The fact you're not shitposting only makes it funnier
Russia sucks at wart
>The Cold War never ended
>Removing pinko kebab 5th column is much cheaper than allowing Coof & Ukraine 'special military operations' in failed deterrence
>Kissinger type split X from Y when they're both giving each other handies under the table and laughing at you was obviously foolish
>Removing pinko kebab 5th column is much cheaper than allowing Coof & Ukraine 'special military operations' in failed deterrence
What are you talking about?
Russians are camouflaged morons who can't do anything right
Not letting Russians starve to death in the 90s was a mistake.
The biggest take away is mobilization capacity, straight up. The ability to get a large number of men trained, equipped and into the fight as quickly and efficiently as possible. The biggest personal take away is that men should learn how to shoot and own whatever kit that they can afford, especially if they live in Europe, before a major conflict even begins. Territorial Defense Force units were manning checkpoints in the first few hours with the equipment and guns they could bring from home and were reinforced from their local armories.
>1.) Nations have to be able to get large numbers of men into the fight quickly.
>2.) Individuals should arm and equip themselves to get into the fight quickly.
>3.) It may be incumbent upon the individual to take preparatory action if the threat of invasion in the absence of preparation by their national government... I.E. Adopt a Modern Minuteman philosophy.
As for the Modern Minuteman philosophy, the Lithuanian Rifleman's Union exists and should be adopted in all NATO countries to take advantage of the poor of gun owners that exist, and create a mechanism by which they could take their unorganized militia and put them towards supporting organized militias and the standing army. War has become dirty, dangerous and decentralized. The future will demand that everyone fight and no one quit. Governments must enfranchise the men of their nations to do whatever they can towards defense and recognize that some people cannot commit to joining the organized militia or the standing army and support them.
Tl;Dr buy guns and kit, get your government representatives on board with personal gun ownership and expand opportunities for tactical training through Home Guard or Rifleman's Unions.
Kys moooobilization shill. No pussy no fighting.
Have fun dying for your backwater shithole I'll happily remain a civilian. Enjoy losing you legs and dick to a land mine.
Fuck you. As soon as war begins i'm going to hide in the woods. Good fucking luck finding me. You will not get a drone video of me dying in 4k60fps.
>i'm going to hide in the woods. Good fucking luck finding me.
[laughs in thermal vision]
The US is the only country that can win wars with their Air Force alone.
If you can't do SEAD your Air Force is dead weight.
Russians are subhumans who can't do SEAD.
Air Force is the deciding factor between winning a war or reverting to WW1 style stalemate.
>ctrl+mine
>1 result
Really?
The air force of both countries remains a platform for missiles and glide bombs
what about mines?
Air power is king, no matter what. If you can't rule the air you're going to be slogged into ditches.
Don't go to war like you go on parade, I guess.
> we were not even serious
Congratulations, now you are laughing stock, stuck to trench warfare (on the defensive).
We already saw the US discontinuing the procurement of Switchblade 300s based on its poor performance in Ukraine.
Saving money it'd otherwise have spent on shit.
Cheap commercial rotaries outperforming a milspec drone was certainly something. Hover ability and loiter time > speed for infantry level drones from here on ou
>switchblade 300s cost rock-bottom almost 60k PER UNIT
>i can drive to walmart and buy a drone for $500
i know the us govt is retarded, but how fucking retarded do you have to be for this shit? it's 2001 era tech, why the ever loving fuck would you keep buying it when quadcopters have been a viable thing since at least 2019?
Dont underestimate the power of bloated procurement bureaucracy. Also it'd be somewhat embarrassing to admit that a civvy 500 dollar quadcopter could actually outperform a high tech military platform, even though civilian tech has come a long way in 20 years.
Mekong catfish are mostly herbivores, but Wels catfish absolutely are active predators. They cant kill a human or do serious damage, but they might try
see the vid in
, thats very active predation
Got to feed the parasite that is the MIC after all.
>i know the us govt is retarded, but how fucking retarded do you have to be for this shit? it's 2001 era tech, why the ever loving fuck would you keep buying it when quadcopters have been a viable thing since at least 2019?
For most military applications, more speed = better, so I imagine the thought process went fast = good.
But as it turns out, drones, both for observation and firesupport, are more like snipers. Small, stable platforms rule. And those happen to be piss-cheap, too.
It's kind of like the logistics thing. Not very glorious, but practical.
>For most military applications, more speed = better
Eh, thats only really true for aeronautics
The 60k price point is a retarded misquote based on not understanding what the unit being sold is. It's not 1 switchblade, it's like a pack of 12 + the control system. It brings the cost down from hilarious to merely expensive, which makes sense when you think about the sensors in it being far above commercial units, something Ukrainians have praised to the point they bemoan them being suicide units instead of intended for heavy recon and reuse while the US can afford to throw that money away.
it's still a mismanagement of funds when you could relocate those optics to hovering scouting drones instead
Not really when you just have so much funds you can do both
The US can afford to waste good optics instead of having to carry two sets of drones.
>We already saw the US discontinuing the procurement of Switchblade 300s based on its poor performance in Ukraine.
No they didn't, they just upgraded to a new model.
The army with the longest ranged drones wins.
What the fuck is that thing?
Wels Catfish, same fish as in the OP
>Don't trust tyrants and dictators.
>If you want peace prepare for war.
They always cry how they're not accepted, are blackwashed and just want best for their people and other bullshit just to stomp them and stab you in the back when you let down your guard.
>Kim
>Orban
>Pooh
>Bolsanaro
>Lukasheno
>Assad
>Et.al.
They're all just lying facades waiting for oportunity to further their power and avoid justice.
>It's a bad idea to ignore your glowies when they say that your neigbour is about to invade you
>It's an extremely bad idea to do so when glowies from friendly countries say the same thing
Hungary is still communist as fuck and deserve no gibs
>Hungary
>Communist
?????????
Mister Biancardi (in Italy) has caught this 9-4 foot long catfish, believed to be the longest ever caught, in the Po River.
Seriously how do catfish get this big?
Steady diet of swimming children and gypsies trying to escape the law. And pigeons, lots of pigeons.
Some animals just keep getting bigger, they don't have a size shut off, because in the sea the larger you are the safer you are. Water based animals in particular are far more capable of insane weight growth due to innate buoyancy.
As long as there is enough food to sustain it it will keep growing until the circulation system physically can't keep up or they starve due to lack of food needed to maintain the body mass.
There were some land dinosaurs with almost no limit also, but they are a rarity and they usually died from joint failure ans thus starvation.
>Cheap drones are indispensable
It's kind of hilarious how woefully underprepared the U.S. military is on drone warfare. The military leadershit is so hyper-focused on wasting six figures per shit-tier drone that they make Russia's corruption with their procurement of the Orlan (plastic water bottle gas tanks and all) look positively amateur.
Europeans are insufferable
ARE CATFISH TASTY?
if they’re from a clean body of water, otherwise they can taste like mud
Only the young smaller ones. The big ones are almost 50% pond-muck-smelling fat.
Like many other fish, they keep growing throughout their lives. And wels catfish can live nearly as long as humans (oldest caught one was around 70 y.o. IIRC).
>Paratroopers don't work when there are civvies with AKs waiting for them on the ground
>Paratroopers REALLY don't work when you drop them into the sea
Ukraine handing out guns during the first few days was a good decision and proves that the founding fathers were correct.
Are ukraine civilians shooting at the Russians?
By now anyone that was a civilian and wanted to/was capable of fighting is operating in the capacity of a militia if not actually part of the armed forces of Ukraine. Yes, their civilians were issued rifles and they were shooting at russian military. One of the more important moments of the opening of the war was when a local militia took over their local base and kitted themselves out with everything in it to start fighting after the base was abandoned. Shit is very metal.
My main take away is one part of a tiny country can be under the threat of complete collapse where kids are fighting and dying in trenches under the most horrific circumstances and the other half of your country can be streaming new video games on twitch as if nothing is happening.
>When the dust has settled and this war is over, what will be the most important take-aways from it?
We shouldn't have stopped at Berlin and should've marched all the way to Moscow.
Anyone who think this war can just fizzle out suffers from a cognitive bias about Eastern Europe being unimportant which means that the stakes in an Eastern European war can only be so high, even for the parties involved.
That's a grave mistake, there are too many aspects of security, economic and political architecture of the whole region hanging in the balance for any sort of peace to be remotely sustainable without the above falling firmly into one place or another.
I'd love to be able to explain what it is exactly that I expect to happen, but with nukes standing in the way of most solutions that were historically needed to resolve such a situation, I honestly don't know.
What stakes, exactly?
Establish sead and CAS the shit out of everything