Got some padauk wood grips on the way, gonna be sweet
Have you found quiet ammo that cycles with a silencer? Just bought some more ammo (for a rifle) but what I've tried so far doesn't cycle though I haven't tried the new stuff. CCI quiet (LR) doesn't cycle with silencer. It gets so close. I think the CCI quiet shorts single loaded even eject but don't cock it or load the next without silencer. I think some of my new ammo for sure should cycle but curious about your experiences.
That is what I'm trying to find out as well, been going through a bunch of different ammo lately. Saw that thread someone started about the aguila subsonic super sniper 22lr and that seems interesting.
Browning 40gr is the "quietest" so far that reliably cycles, not uncomfortable to shoot without earpro but not truly quiet. The mini-mags run great but are a bit louder, still not painful without earpro but probably not technically hearing safe with enough shooting. Stingers are loud as fuck unsurprisingly. Quiet-22 is actually super quiet but doesn't cycle (just not enough juice), have tried the segmented stuff yet though. Norma tac-22 is a bit quieter than the browning 40gr but just doesn't run. Bullets have a waxy coating but are the only ones that seem to have problems feeding (but also don't quite have enough juice to cycle). Haven't tried the standard cci but it's rated similar to the norma so I assume it won't cycle.
The Aguila sniper subsonic is just a hair too loud even in a 10/22 with a Sig SRD. Pops barely but pretty sharp and makes my ears ring just above what random CCI CB Quiet would in a bolt action ~20" barrel. Probably about twice as loud as the random quiets that would pop? Three times? I dunno, I don't like 'em. Maybe it would work better in a pistol where it stays truly subsonic. I've been shooting 38gr Aguila Hollowpoints (1280fps, pic related) in my 18" 10/22 with SIG SRD but I have a feeling it might not be totally hearing safe. Still supersonic. The CCI Quiet LR is nice in the Beretta but it doesn't even cycle, which sucks.
Anyone shoot 38gr HP 1280FPS Aguila (pic related) in a silenced 10/22 as well as the 38gr hollowpoint subsonic Aguila? Curious how different the point of impact is compared to the supersonic and how much quieter it really is. Pretty much every subsonic round I've tried shoots low left. Some lower than others but mostly the same distance left.
PS: The 40gr ~1250fps non copper plated Aguila in blue and white boxes seems to sometimes be subsonic some not. I think this is why some people say Aguila has a lot of variation in their ammo - it's specifically THIS ammo that's just on the edge out of an 18" silenced 10/22.
The Aguila sniper subsonic is just a hair too loud even in a 10/22 with a Sig SRD. Pops barely but pretty sharp and makes my ears ring just above what random CCI CB Quiet would in a bolt action ~20" barrel. Probably about twice as loud as the random quiets that would pop? Three times? I dunno, I don't like 'em. Maybe it would work better in a pistol where it stays truly subsonic. I've been shooting 38gr Aguila Hollowpoints (1280fps, pic related) in my 18" 10/22 with SIG SRD but I have a feeling it might not be totally hearing safe. Still supersonic. The CCI Quiet LR is nice in the Beretta but it doesn't even cycle, which sucks.
Anyone shoot 38gr HP 1280FPS Aguila (pic related) in a silenced 10/22 as well as the 38gr hollowpoint subsonic Aguila? Curious how different the point of impact is compared to the supersonic and how much quieter it really is. Pretty much every subsonic round I've tried shoots low left. Some lower than others but mostly the same distance left.
PS: The 40gr ~1250fps non copper plated Aguila in blue and white boxes seems to sometimes be subsonic some not. I think this is why some people say Aguila has a lot of variation in their ammo - it's specifically THIS ammo that's just on the edge out of an 18" silenced 10/22.
>makes my ears ring just above what random CCI CB Quiet would in a bolt action ~20" barrel.
to clarify: not silenced. For some reason some of them were just loud. Plenty of them were only on the first shot after reloading, like a first round pop but no silencer. The 10/22 I finally got silenced but the bolt action is way too old to have been factory threaded.
Have you found quiet ammo that cycles with a silencer? Just bought some more ammo (for a rifle) but what I've tried so far doesn't cycle though I haven't tried the new stuff. CCI quiet (LR) doesn't cycle with silencer. It gets so close. I think the CCI quiet shorts single loaded even eject but don't cock it or load the next without silencer. I think some of my new ammo for sure should cycle but curious about your experiences.
not that anon but i have run aguila subsonics in suppressed walther p22, keltec p17, keltec cp33 and a 10.5 in ar15 with cmmg conversion kit with zero issues
ive killed like, 7 groundhogs and 4 coons with that stuff, its perfect
Now that's what I want to hear; glad it sounds like it still has enough power to take down stuff other than squirrels. Are you taking headshots on the raccoons or heart and lung? I love my Aguila 38gr supersonic but I'm hesitant to just keep blasting away as I'm probably doing some damage to my ears. Doesn't hurt but the quieter the better either way. Does it have the same point of impact/zero or haven't you shot the supersonic in the same gun?
groundhogs i go for lung or headshots and they drop instantly. Raccoons i usually catch them in a cage and shoot them in the head real close. They kick around a lot but i think its just reflexes.
Well groundhogs are at least very similar in size. And yeah the raccoons kicking around is just disinhibition. Basically if the brain gets severed and destroyed in the right way, the nerves fire off as there's nothing left to stop the "signal" to contract certain muscles. Usually just the back legs kicking but I also see lower body muscles twitch or spasm and relax and sometimes it looks like they're still breathing; that's "agonal breathing" - which as gruesome as it sounds, is just an uncontrolled chest spasm due to the lack of connection to the brain. Ted's Holdover has a great video on it (and he's a really good shot with a pellet gun). Animals twitch when their brain is destroyed. They're already dead, or only have a couple seconds. Another place you may see muscle twitching is some hair follicles. I've seen squirrel tails puff up and flicker a little before just relaxing and the fur "collapsing" back to its relaxed state. Weird shit happens. Sometimes other muscles jitter. Did way too much research and end up remembering a lot of information on this because you want to make sure you know when to take a second shot and when you don't have to. Some animals kick around more than others. I think raccoons kick around a lot more than others a lot longer for some reason. Never personally shot one; want to try to get one this year.
If you want specifically quiet, I used what's left of my stash of Eley subsonic. Sadly it's made in England and getting rarer in the US. I've recently fallen in love with Federal Premium Punch as have a lot of other folks. I think Federal also realizes it's a win so it'll be around in the coming years.
I had the same issue with my rifle wiht the CCI quiets. The dwell time is just off and it dosen't cycle reliably. I would recommend trying out CCI Standard Velocity. They are still subsonic so they work well suppressed, but they're right at the threshold so they are hotter than the quiets. I have also found that CCI makes cleaner rounds than other manufacturers so there is a bonus there.
Don't care, you need to get a different one that meets my standards
Don't blow a gasket big guy, it was a gift from my significant other. She brought home BRC coffee one time when the store was out of my regular stuff, but she didn't know any better and that was fortunately resolved with a simple open palm.
The only thing worse than an attention-whoring tripn*gger is a tripn*gger dick rider
Kys if you arent samefagging. Your parents will be secretly relieved
Burt and Lady...who else that still posts?? Hell lady barey even posts anymore. This is the first time ive been to /k/ since the israelitekraine war started. This place is a shell of itself
S-tier caliber. Fun, cheap, and with sub-sonic I can sit on my porch and plink without annoying my neighbors. Every gun owner should have at least one .22lr firearm.
damn, I could use .22 bolt action and a suppressor. I live in a suburb with a neighbor behind me who owns a large portion of the land and doesn't do anything with it, so I think I could probably get away with shooting a suppressed .22 in my backyard, so long as he isn't mowing or anything.
cci quiet .22lr is quieter, without as suppressor, than a gas airsoft gun. pick up a box and let one rip in the woods to check it out, its super cheap too.
The CCI CB Longs are super duper quiet. Gotta manually cycle the bolt on a 10/22 but that's no biggie. Pretty much have to aim for the head on squirrels and cats to guaruntee a kill with 'em but that makes it more fun imo.
It's sad that despite revolutionary advances in manufacturing technology that could've given us a much superior option for equal or lesser cost, we are stuck with it due to economies of scale and the problem of sunk cost.
I mean it's pretty much ideal where it is, the only things that could improve it is primers/removal of the rim to allow better stacking in magazines but that comes at great cost per round and would require replacement of all .22s out there. What else is .22 lacking in it's weight class?
I still don't know if I was in the right picking a MkIV Tactical over a TX-22.
They're both great, but for me the capacity of the TX makes it the winner
you should've got the Grand Power K22 which is superior to both yet no one ever talks about it.
I love GP but the reliability of their .22s is an unknown quantity where TX22s and Marks are known to be very high.
nah man, the primary disadvantages of 22lr are exactly why it's so cheap. and it's really not even a disadvantage when you look at it from an engineering perspective.
look at 25 acp, it's bigger than 22lr but because so much of the case volume has to be used to create the brass case head and primer pocket, the Hispaniciest 25acp loads are about as powerful as 22 short. and that's ignoring the fact that you can buy like 10 rounds of 22 for the price of a single 25 acp cartridge
rimfire primers are simpler and have the disadvantage of increased magazine complexity, but they allow the bullets to be a hell of a lot more powerful than they would otherwise be because of that simplicity. on top of that, all of the 22 rimfire calibers share SAAMI spec data so you have a wide variety of cartridge lengths and power loadings to work with if you're trying to design something from scratch
22lr is a perfect example of how modern technology can make 150 year old technology perfectly viable because the issue is not the technology itself its the parameters of its design
If you're Grand Power k22 anon, thanks for making me aware of it. It is easily my second favorite suppressor-ready .22LR handgun after the Mark IV Target. Main downside is the lack of adjustable target sights.
Far superior to the P322, TX22, FN 502, P17, Beretta Bobcat (meme gun) etc.
Someone suggest me another suppressable .22LR pistol!
I own both, though I have the TX22 competition. The Taurus has somehow been far more reliable, and if you don't intend to/want to do any gunsmithing it's probably the better choice out of the box - trigger will be nicer, higher capacity, as I said a little more reliable suppressed anecdotally.
I have the Tandemkross triggers on both, with the Volquartsen accurizing kit in the Ruger it has a much nicer trigger pull, though it was a pain in the ass to work on the Ruger with my gorilla mitts. I've also had to do an obnoxious amount of work on my Ruger mags to get it to feed reliably, they have some of the worst finish quality I've ever seen on a production magazine and while they work just fine unsuppressed, the moment you introduce any backpressure and/or fouling they cause feeding issues galore, I had to polish the ever living shit out of every sharp, chattered edge and add extra power magazine springs to get them to run and they still don't behave with some standard velocity loads. The bolt face on the Ruger is also incredibly prone to carbon fouling, and if you don't clean it regularly it'll leave the bolt face just set back enough that you'll end up with light primer strikes and possibly OOB detonations (again, running suppressed so YMMV if you don't).
If I had to go back in time and just pick 1 I wish I'd just bought the Taurus, the only downside to the competition model is that I get a ton of shit blowing back in my face when running HV ammo suppressed due to the open top design, but that's solved by either getting a slide riding optics mount for the standard one or buying the Compact.
Pros to the MKIV: much cooler looking IMO.
NTA, but I have one. It does not, but good enough for plinking.
Magpul makes an adapter called an X-22 optic mount that moves the mount forward to the barrel assembly which because the scope is now on the barrel itself does keep as perfect zero as possible.
dont have a pic on my phone at the moment but I mostly got it as i thought it looked cool.
From what I can tell, no, or at least the anons I've talked to have told me ~1-2" shift, which is not good enough for me as a squirrel hunter. Kind of wish they went a different route and just broke the receiver in two from the bottom (take trigger group and stock with the back of the receiver) as I'd be all over that shit.
What the other anon said, the magpul adapter that mounts red dots to the barrel on the takedown is a perfect zero. It changed the takedown from not too accurate to be practucal with an optic to a serious SHTF gun. I also use skinner peep sights on the rear dovetail also
hurting for cash slightly, I'm thinking about selling my stainless 10/22 with stainless bushnell optic and some mags and ammo with it. Keep my minimags for a 22 auto. That's how I feel about 22. So what
Just my 2¢ but never sell a .22. You won't make significant money on it, and I guaruntee you'll miss it. You may eventually have the money to replace it, but you'll wishnyou still had the one you sold. Plus 22's make excellent heirlooms and you'll regret not having your 10/22 to pass on. That's how I feel about the Buckmark i sold, at least
I’ve shot a lot of raccoons with .22
It’s a great round. My favorites are CCI standard velocity for my suppressor, CCI Velocitor for all purpose varmint shooting, and Federal punch for my carry piece.
Got some padauk wood grips on the way, gonna be sweet
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That is what I'm trying to find out as well, been going through a bunch of different ammo lately. Saw that thread someone started about the aguila subsonic super sniper 22lr and that seems interesting.
Browning 40gr is the "quietest" so far that reliably cycles, not uncomfortable to shoot without earpro but not truly quiet. The mini-mags run great but are a bit louder, still not painful without earpro but probably not technically hearing safe with enough shooting. Stingers are loud as fuck unsurprisingly. Quiet-22 is actually super quiet but doesn't cycle (just not enough juice), have tried the segmented stuff yet though. Norma tac-22 is a bit quieter than the browning 40gr but just doesn't run. Bullets have a waxy coating but are the only ones that seem to have problems feeding (but also don't quite have enough juice to cycle). Haven't tried the standard cci but it's rated similar to the norma so I assume it won't cycle.
I just got a bunch of this Browning stuff and am looking forward to see how it does in autos and while silenced. I found that Norma Tac 22 stuff doesn't cycle my TX22 reliably and it's FILTHY with wax.
Who makes Browning's .22 ammo? It says "made in USA" so I'm guessing Winchester or Remington, because it looks too crummy to be CCI.
I have found all of Norma's .22 to be trash, underpowered, and dirty as fuck, none of the stuff I have tried worked in my TX-22 or my CMMG kit, and even gave some to a range buddy and they tried it in a 10/22 with it not wanting to cycle any of it.
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I just got a bunch of this Browning stuff and am looking forward to see how it does in autos and while silenced. I found that Norma Tac 22 stuff doesn't cycle my TX22 reliably and it's FILTHY with wax.
Who makes Browning's .22 ammo? It says "made in USA" so I'm guessing Winchester or Remington, because it looks too crummy to be CCI.
That's what my 10/22 looks like with my Leupold VX Freedom 3-9x and a scope shade as well. It nearly gets to the end of the B-TM forend, lol. Too much scope? Nah...
The most fun per cent you can have with firearms. 22s can cost around 100 bucks and boxes of hundred of rounds only 20, and both can be found anywhere. 22 is 2ez and 2cheap.
Got a mark IV, a 10/22, and a revolver in the past few months, and I'm looking for a lever action or bolt action rifle to round out my .22 collection. I'm partial to wood furniture but other than that I'm pretty suggestible. Any ideas? Guns you found particularly fun to plink with or were otherwise charmed by?
Henry’s lever-actions are g2g.
Ruger American rimfire if you want mag compatibility with your 10/22. Flush 10 round mag is hard to beat. Only one option offered in wood though and it’s laminated.
CZ 457 also good option like anon mentioned. Comes in wood and can switch out barrels ez if you want to shoot .22 WMR and .17 HMR
I like my Remington 504 (purchased in 2005) but the magazine is super janky. I want to try spending way too much time making one myself out of a block of mild steel.
I want a second .22 long rifle rifle primarily for squirrel hunting. I'm and think I want a rifle that's not a bolt action, but I don't know what's supposed to be good or dogshit quality nowadays. For price uuhhh let's just say up to $600 if it's worth it.
For new lever actions all I really see are Henrys, Rossis, and the occasional Heritage or Browning rifle. Are Winchester and Marlin entirely out of the lever 22 market?
Hard to go wrong with a 10/22. You might could get one very cheap this coming Black Friday, then add in an improved trigger and a Green Mountain barrel and a stock that takes .920 barrel diameter you'll have a very accurate gun under $600.
That is the ugliest gun I have ever seen.
Thanks 😀
great trigger yep.
Incredibly reliable. More reliable than any other 22 pistol I've owned (and I've owned basically every single one).
10 rounds, but you can get kits from the UK to bump it to 17. They ship to the states.
Damn it. I want a TS8 but they don't import them to the US. I'll have to watch for an Xcalibur or something.
>Hard to go wrong with a 10/22. You might could get one very cheap this coming Black Friday, then add in an improved trigger and a Green Mountain barrel and a stock that takes .920 barrel diameter you'll have a very accurate gun under $600.
Correct me if I'm understanding your suggestion incorrectly: >buy a rifle >replace the stock >replace the barrel >replace the trigger
What's left of the original rifle besides the receiver and bolt? I don't know much about 10/22s aside from that they're extremely customizable with a huge aftermarket, but are they really that bad straight from the Ruger factory?
10/22s are fine rifles from the factory, just not exceptional. Stocks are pretty typical 'cheap hunting rifle' style stocks. The barrel is accurate enough, most get ~2moa, some are more or less accurate. The triggers are fine, but not like a match trigger.
https://i.imgur.com/Z0io1bX.jpg
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Follow up question: is there any prudence to buying a 10/22 receiver and simply building a rifle up from that with the parts I want?
I'd say if you want to replace everything anyways, then yeah this is a fine way to go. They're not complicated rifles and are pretty easy to assemble. You can also buy 10/22 clones from companies other than ruger, with full parts compatibility. There's other 22 semi autos out there, and they aren't any worse than stock 10/22s, but they all have less aftermarket
1" at 50 yards is plenty fine for squirrel hunting IMHO, I've been reading up on what kind of accuracy people report for other .22 rifles. Henry lever actions are apparently only capable of ~2" groups at 50 yards which nixed them from my shortlist. I think I'm going to go with a 10/22 receiver and build a rifle from that, if it's not accurate I only have my own dumb ass to blame.
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nice, good luck anon.
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All I did on mine is stock and Volquartsen target hammer/shim kit. The rest is as it shipped except the scope and rail (and now silencer). Shoots minute of "good enough for squirrel hunting at further distances than I could ever reliably shoot one at". Now considering buying a Ruger BX trigger locally because...? I mean man does it feel good but do I need one at $80-90? Be careful, anon, $1500+ 10/22s come rapidly. Also I never personally bought just a receiver because I always thought the aftermarket ones were almost all ugly, kek. Something about that built in picatinny rail. I know, I know, practicality over looks, but...
>Hard to go wrong with a 10/22. You might could get one very cheap this coming Black Friday, then add in an improved trigger and a Green Mountain barrel and a stock that takes .920 barrel diameter you'll have a very accurate gun under $600.
Correct me if I'm understanding your suggestion incorrectly: >buy a rifle >replace the stock >replace the barrel >replace the trigger
What's left of the original rifle besides the receiver and bolt? I don't know much about 10/22s aside from that they're extremely customizable with a huge aftermarket, but are they really that bad straight from the Ruger factory?
Follow up question: is there any prudence to buying a 10/22 receiver and simply building a rifle up from that with the parts I want?
I ordered a threaded barrel adapter for the old Stevens Favorite to plink in the backyard without annoying the old neighbor and this morning it hit me that the barrel diameter is the same on my fully semi-automatic open bolt .22
Looking forward to that
The only .22 I own is a Winchester M1906 from 1914. It was shot to shit when I got it, so paid a fair sum to have it relined with competition-grade liner.
great trigger yep.
Incredibly reliable. More reliable than any other 22 pistol I've owned (and I've owned basically every single one).
10 rounds, but you can get kits from the UK to bump it to 17. They ship to the states.
My 10/22's are boring to look at and handle but it's fun shooting something without feeling like I'm wasting money. Maybe some replica .22's would be more fun?
I think the allure of having a cool gun replica in 22 is going to wear off after your first range trip with it. It may look like an STG44 vaguely, but it won't feel like one. Maybe get a 22 revolver, or lever action, or get into precision 22 shooting
i like .22lr
it it was more reliable it would be a real menace
cci standards work well in my 10/22, very few reliability issues for me. experiment with ammo until you find something that works well
Re-read that post anon. 10 max in semi-autos, unlimited in tube-fed levers and pumps, can't take advantage of a tube-fed semi auto like the 60.
At least a 10/22 with 10rd rotary mags is practical AF albeit not terribly interesting. I like 10/22s for the aftermarket, without that I don't see a reason to take it over a Savage 64 or Mossberg 702/Rossi RS22, they're both cheaper, lighter, and every bit as good up until you want to buy fun parts and big mags.
I like the 10/22 ten rounders because they have decent enough capacity to not make it feel like i'm reloading every 5 seconds while also not sticking out the bottom like most longer 22 rifle mags
Alternatively conversion kits for handguns do feel really good, beretta 92fs official conversion kit, sig p226 sonversion kit, advantage arms glock and 1911 conversion kits. You can shoot your impractical cool guns way more often and dont have to shell out 45aarp prices etc
>What’s your opinion on .22lr?
Love the stuff, I got a ton before the whole price jump and spent the money saved buying .22lr pistol & revolver. Than got a range pass for $225 that allows me to go all year long for free to plink. If I did the same amount with my 9mm, 45acp or 5.56 I would be down a $10k if not more each year.
I have an LCRx, so same internals but not as small
just be aware most 22 revolvers are going to have a heavy DA trigger, but the lcr trigger feels pretty good despite its weight
I have an LCRx, so same internals but not as small
just be aware most 22 revolvers are going to have a heavy DA trigger, but the lcr trigger feels pretty good despite its weight
I like it. Good to learn and practice with, quiet enough to shoot comfortably without earpro, and more than enough to kill a man if need be (I mean it's a 22 you shouldn't miss). My main gripes are with reliability, seems that every 22 autoloader I try is picky with ammo and the ammo itself seems to have a fairly short shelf life compared to centerfire rounds. Probably my #3 favorite after 38 special and 25 acp (luv me 25)
I'm in the market for a good 22lr rifle, and I'm torn between the 10/22 and the Henry Classic. Since I live in a nogunz state, my mag cap is limited to 10 max, unless it's tube-fed in either a lever or a pump shotgun. With a lever gun, my capacity is unlimited, but the 10/22 is more practical. If you had to pick one 22lr, what would it be?
I would argue that you would be better off with a marlin m60. Higher capacity than cuck mags, tube fed, and semi auto. The glenfield model even has some classy squirrels on the stock.
Re-read that post anon. 10 max in semi-autos, unlimited in tube-fed levers and pumps, can't take advantage of a tube-fed semi auto like the 60.
At least a 10/22 with 10rd rotary mags is practical AF albeit not terribly interesting. I like 10/22s for the aftermarket, without that I don't see a reason to take it over a Savage 64 or Mossberg 702/Rossi RS22, they're both cheaper, lighter, and every bit as good up until you want to buy fun parts and big mags.
My bad, i was half heartedly reading it.
I have a 10/22 and a henry classic. I would recommend the henry over the 10/22 though. Its mainly because i like the manual action and my 10/22 is too picky with ammo. I can run anything through the henry, including shorts/quiets for pests and plinking without earpro. I would say that its more reliable and practical.
My bad, i was half heartedly reading it.
I have a 10/22 and a henry classic. I would recommend the henry over the 10/22 though. Its mainly because i like the manual action and my 10/22 is too picky with ammo. I can run anything through the henry, including shorts/quiets for pests and plinking without earpro. I would say that its more reliable and practical.
>Lever gun is more reliable for 22lr than semi-auto
Welp, that does it. Gonna git me a lever gat lmao.
>Went to the desert to shoot my 10/22 >Burning through the rest of my Winchester and starting with some Aguila >Notice the Aguila sounds SO much quieter than the Winchester, almost sounds like subsonic but it's not >Take off earplugs and shoot Aguila again >It's not quiet at all, it's just high pitched as fuck and I guess got filtered through the plugs better
aaaaiiiieeeee my ears
Did you shoot that stupid 40gr stuff? I have a silenced 10/22 and like 1/2 to 1/3 of those things sound damn quiet...and then the rest are FULL VOLUME. I wish they just reduced the load a little as it's obvious they're too close to being at the edge of supersonic. It would make my life easier (buying ammo) for sure.
what 22 ammo do you guys like to shoot? I'm looking for something to balance price and accuracy. Also copper platting is a plus, I hate getting lead everywhere. I'm currently getting about 2moa with cci standards.
I pretty much only shoot CCI minimag 40 grs. They work well in my 10/22, my CMMG drop in kit for my AR, and my MKVI. If you look around you can find good deals on them.
CCI standard velocity with almost everything.
CCI quiet with the suppressed single shot backyard plinker
Blazer with the smol Beretta because it won't cycle standards
>price and accuracy
I don't think it's going to get better than CCI without costing 2x more. Eley Club is like 16cpr adn that's not copper washed. SV and Minimag are about the same accuracy in my rifle but it may vary in your guns, Minimag is copper plated.
You used to be able to get Wolf Target which was made by Eley for about the same cost but they caught on to that many years ago and shut it down lol. That stuff was INSANELY accurate for the price.
https://i.imgur.com/wLb7Wzr.jpg
>Hard to go wrong with a 10/22. You might could get one very cheap this coming Black Friday, then add in an improved trigger and a Green Mountain barrel and a stock that takes .920 barrel diameter you'll have a very accurate gun under $600.
Correct me if I'm understanding your suggestion incorrectly: >buy a rifle >replace the stock >replace the barrel >replace the trigger
What's left of the original rifle besides the receiver and bolt? I don't know much about 10/22s aside from that they're extremely customizable with a huge aftermarket, but are they really that bad straight from the Ruger factory?
I was bringing the capability up to the set price of $600, but even a reggo 10/22 would be great for squirrels under 70 yards or so, nah they're not bad and in fact I'd suggest if you get a 10/22 you shoot it as is for awhile so you know why or if you'd want to upgrade it.
The barrel is going to make the biggest difference to accuracy, but then you'd need a stock to allow the heavy profile. And trigger work is cheap, or you can buy a BX trigger which is okay, or a Volquartsen hammer which is good. But I didn't mean to imply you must replace the whole gun, just wanted to get you more gun for your $600
https://i.imgur.com/Z0io1bX.jpg
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Follow up question: is there any prudence to buying a 10/22 receiver and simply building a rifle up from that with the parts I want?
That's a route a lot of people go if they're in the same boat, however that's gonna end up costing more than $600 I think. You can typically resell take-off parts to recoup a little from starting with a complete gun.
how's aguilla super extra copper plated? I've heard a few people say they're fairly accurate compared to CCIs for a similar price, but that is pretty anecdotal
I have never shot that stuff for groups sorry. I bought a couple of cases years ago and I just heedlessly burned through it as blasty ammo, mainly in my TX22. The bullets don't gum up mags like wax does but the powder is FILTHY, smoky and it smells but it seems to work pretty well, I don't recall many duds out of ~3k rounds.
I wouldn't be surprised if it has okay-decent accuracy though, Aguila makes or made at least some products for Eley. I don't have any more or I'd put some through my CZ 455, sorry.
My Ruger Precision Rimfire groups consistently better with Aguila HV than with either CCI Standard or Mini-Mags at 50yds, at 100yds and beyond the CCI Standard tends to be the most accurate out of those because of trans-sonic shenanigans
The only thing I don't like Aguila for is that whenever I run into a gun with a slightly weak striker it tends to be the first ammo to stop working, idk if they use a harder primer compound or what but my MKIV really does not like the stuff.
Also it does kinda smell like cat piss when you dump a bunch of it at once, that's just an Aguila thing though. Still generally prefer it for price reasons (i am israeli)!
Also it does kinda smell like cat piss when you dump a bunch of it at once, that's just an Aguila thing though. Still generally prefer it for price reasons (i am israeli)!
My 10/22 shoots the 38gr hollowpoints the best out of any ammo I've found. I've only compared it to bulk federal, bulk winchester, and most recently, the CCI/Winchester/aguila low velocity quiet/silencer ammo. The Aguila non copper plated solid 40gr supersonic varies in speed from shot to shot and most are supersonic while others aren't. The copper plated 38gr shoots great but it's not target ammo or anything IMO. Very waxy, hardens in the winter and gets gummy in the summer heat. From my limited experience shooting it silenced I can't get through a 500rd bulk box without cleaning lol. It kills squirrels pretty well though so I have a good bit of it stashed for hunting and range use.
>I was bringing the capability up to the set price of $600, but even a reggo 10/22 would be great for squirrels under 70 yards or so, nah they're not bad and in fact I'd suggest if you get a 10/22 you shoot it as is for awhile so you know why or if you'd want to upgrade it. >That's a route a lot of people go if they're in the same boat, however that's gonna end up costing more than $600 I think.
This gives me something to obsess over for a few weeks, you have my thanks. I am starting a new spreadsheet.
here, my second .22lr rifle quest has veered off course. I’m now looking at a CZ 457 Jaguar and eventually getting a suppressor for it. I know the length won’t bother me because my other other squirrel rifle is a .32 muzzleloader that I made with a 42” long barrel. How are CZ’s rimfire rifles in general? I’ve not found anything strikingly bad written about them online so far.
I own a Jaguar. I honestly don't think you can beat it at the price point. Also, if you want to get a more accurate bolt action I'm fairly sure you're talking about getting into Vudoo territory or the like.
The Jaguar is quiet; it is accurate; it is pretty. I prefer the 5 round magazines because they fit flush. I do not like how damn expensive the magazines are for what they are. The sling swivels are meh and I replaced mine with better.
I shot some CCI quiet out of it the other day. With that long barrel, they were very quiet. Then I put the silencer on it. Then it was hilariously quiet. The loudest thing about it at that point was the sound of the bullet striking paper at 25 yards. There was some savage bullet drop (compared to standard velocity) even at just 25 yards. The lob to get it on target at 100 yards would be hysterical... In fact I just punched the numbers into the ballistic calculator and if you're zero'd for 25 yards, then it's going to drop 23.8 inches at 100 yards.
But that's beside the point. The Jaguar is a fantastic rifle. I cannot speak to how it will hold up being drug around innawoods, but it seems solid enough to deal with that sort of thing.
Also, 22plinkster loves his CZs, and given that it's 22plinkster I figure that counts for something.
I also want a Jaguar. I've never heard about anything wrong with them. Length with a silencer will be hilarious. I'm used to an 18" barreled 10/22 with regular stock. Now I have a 18" (threaded) 10/22 with a B-TM stock. So I got used to how that handled when walking deer trails and through brush. I put a silencer on it and it is fucking STUPID. Like near Jaguar length. I have to angle it down quite a lot (while flat against chest) if I want to walk deer trails without snagging. But I still want a Jaguar with a silencer bad. Can only imagine how quiet that is.
Just keep in mind the wood is going to get scratched while hunting. Keep shellac on hand at home - or spar varnish. Wood/finish scratches, it just happens. Don't let it bother you. My B-TM stock got wrecked on the bottom because I was using the edge of a wood rifle rest in a position it wasn't meant to be used in. Man did that do damage. Then I used a metal cast painted rifle rest that I forgot my bag on. Wow that fucked it up. Rifle rest bags are great. Finishes can be stripped and reapplied. It just hurts more when your stock was $250 while your 10/22 was like $370 new lol.
My buddy owns a jag that we shoot suppressed whenever we go shoot .22s. It stupid accurate and dumb quiet. Adding the can almost doesn't help. I can semi-reliably punch primers out of shotgun hulls we would hand in a chain link fence at about 30-40ish yds.
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Huh. Do you shoot normal supersonic ammo? I would be pissssssed if it was as quiet as my silenced 10/22 I spent like $1600 on to get it how I wanted it but I'd also be happy to know that I had an alternative gun to shoot I didn't have to buy another silencer for lol.
PS/off topic: Now that my can came in I want to start on a 5.56 silencer and a Mask HD - if the fucking things are ever in stock when I look. That was the first silencer I shot with and it was stupid quiet. Unfortunately I only shot it on a bolt action some guy had. But damn even with supersonics it was quiet. Want to see if it's an upgrade to what I have right now or not. If not, oh well. That just means it can go on something else as well.
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Nah, that was shooting subs. It was still noticeably quieter with a can on it, but not near as much of a difference as my 16 or 20" bolts suppressed and unsuppressed. Supers still had the crack that's pretty loud, but unsuppressed it was still fairly comfortable shooting without ear pro to my shitty ears (still wouldnt recommend it, I'm sure osha wouldn't approve). The 10/22 action is loud as hell once you take out the report of it firing. If I'm shooting 45 gr federal or CCI through my 16" 457 royal, I can hear the bullet spinning as it trundles down range. The "clack" of my 10/22 makes that sound a lot harder to notice while shooting.
Also, my same buddy's mask is pretty damn quiet. Not much first round pop and it stays quiet. The tube is easy to open and clean as well, which helps. My rugged occulus is nearly as quiet and still not difficult to clean, but honestly, if I were to do it over I'd get the mask instead. I never use the occulus in the short configuration. Same goes for the Obsidians we have, they never get shot short.
standards because suppressed is fun and they shoot well in most guns. always been my goto. occasionally I'll get some stangers or cbs for fun in my henry lever or Elys for shooting groups in my match barrel. I need to get my 22s out more
>CCi Minimags >Federal Auto Match >Norma Tac 22
Federal is insanely good and I think I might buy more boxes soon since there's tons of them at my local walmart
i was at the gun store and i handled the black one and then i handled the stainless one
the balance of the black one is all fucked up because the frame is anodized aluminum and the upper is steel, so it feels really weird
i bought the stainless one for this reason, no idea why the fuck ruger made the black one out of aluminum
it also looks really shitty when it gets wear on it, the shiny aluminum starts to show through the black and it's not good
Is this true?
Is he, by chance, the guy who once provided detailed instructions on how to safely make sweet love to your doggos? If so i am going to need you to post proofs, for, reasons, related to 22lr.
.22LR is likely the best caliber in the modern era for SHTF reasons. they are quiet, light, and super cheap so you can get a lot of training in with them, the ruger 10/22 is a super reliable rifle and pretty cheap to.
Its not going to put down a large animal, but for basic small game hunting its more than adequite. you also would be able to deal with non plate hostiles from any distance that you could feasable hit them.
Cheap, can bag a deer, good survival cartridge. Pretty common deer rifle, and is also an inexpensive way to train long range precision shooting.
Chechen guerrilla snipers used it to kill Russian soldiers so it's not out of the question for serious organized warfare, but there are better options if available.
as an europeon PCP air rifles have taken the role 22lr had for me, cheap plinking, target shooting and small-game hunting. I'd rather spend more for a 22 wmr
My ruger 10/22 is unreliable as fuck. It either rams the bullet into the lip of the magazine, fails to eject the casing, or casing doesn't fully eject. Using stock magazine, already tried CCI, browning, aguila and other types of ammo, so far this pinoy ammo is the most reliable
>start shooting silenced >struggle to get over 500rds before my gun starts getting gritty
Halp. Anons how the hell do you clean out a silenced 10/22 without having to take it out of the stock every 500rds? It's a hunting rifle so I'd rather not have to do so for fear of zero shift etc. Getting gritty, especially the guide rod/spring piece. It wants to hold itself open if I pull the bolt back all the way. I'll try anything. Would any aftermarket guide rod resist getting dirty and gritty any longer? Random pic of someone else's dirty 10/22 for attention.
>It either rams the bullet into the lip of the magazine
BX15 or the actual stock rotary? Because I'm this fucking close to modifying the feed lip on a BX-15 if I ever find a cheap used example. I think I just have to polish it a little and take the edge off but I have a bad feeling and Ruger brand mags aren't cheap. A stronger coil spring would be appreciated on them sometimes. The mag just fails to pull the rounds up for some reason every now and then. Also what does your extractor look like? Does it move freely?
That sounds like it's going to make my problem worse from what I know about 10/22s, no? Don't they hate being run with a bunch of oil and gum up even worse? Also wood stocks hate being saturated with oil. I'm considering starting up the air compressor to blow out a good portion of it. Also my bolt hold open (VQ) is struggling, kek. I mean I COULD just take it apart every time but it's going to become a pain and I don't want to have to re-zero a hunting rifle a bunch.
Seems like Hoppe's no 9 gun bore cleaner dripped on the rod and worked back and forth did it. Now I just have to leave my gun open to let it evaporate. Maybe someone makes a rod that prevents all the fouling from gumming the spring and charging handle up so much, Idunno. Or I just need a little oil on it every now and then. Glad it can mostly be solved from the outside even if I need to do this a lot.
Stock 10 round rotary mag, dissasembled it and tightened the feeding mechanism more but the magazine still freezes at random and doesn't pop the bullet up
My extractor was stock, FTE kept happening even after I upgraded it to a volquartsen extractor with a new spring, the ejector is still stock but it doesn't look damaged or bent. I'm just chalking it to bad juju but it's putting me off of rugers in general since this was a brand new manufactured the same year when I bought it.
Ever try any other mag? I've never heard of a bad rotary mag but it isn't impossible. I have that weird "smashing the bullet into the feed ramp of the mag" problem with my BX-15s but I shoot filthy ammo and need to clean my mags more.
Yeah, ended up with more mags than I have use for. Also notice how differentthese two factory 10 round drum mags are. They're both original ruger magazines but I don't remember which came with my rifle.
The black follower mag may be an older one if you didn't buy it new. I don't think I've ever seen one personally. Or it's some weird version of the mag. Not to be a dick but are you sure one of them aren't somehow a .22 Magnum rotary mag? They ARE out there, despite real Ruger made 10/22 magnums being rare due to some design flaws leading to them being discontinued. Ruger must still make the magazines since I see so many available online; other companies make 10/22 magnums so maybe they just support it without the headache of making new rifles.
Also don't put pressure on the front edge of the BX-25s (pushing towards yourself) if you're doing that. It causes feeding issues; I hold my 10/22 like that since I shoot with BX-15s and I sometimes overdo it. Magwell is loose as fuck on 10/22s for some ungodly reason.
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Yeah you're right, the magwell rattle is so annoying once you're aware of it. I let the mags dangle by themselves.
As for the rotaries being 22 magnum I doubt it, .22 bullets fit in there like they should. Other than playing cat and mouse replacing every component inside the receiver there isn't much I can do about it.
Considering a lever action .22 to replace this rifle though reloading the tube magazines look like a pain in the ass.
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Out of curiosity, what ammo have you tried? My 10/22 really only likes 1150fps+ IIRC. When it gets filthy it just stops trying. When it gets cold or warm it affects my Aguila ammo. It would stovepipe or fail to eject with Federal bulk IIRC but that shit sucks and a lot of my .22s hate it lol. Maybe put a little oil on the guide rod? I mean I've heard they hate being run wet or with much oil due to fouling but I did just make mine run way smoother by using a little oil to get rid of the gunk on it.
Judging by your rotaries, your mags shouldn't be anywhere near dirty enough to start to malfunction any more than usual. I do know the older BX-25s used to have a slightly different design and not feed reliably but I find it hard to believe you'd somehow come across not only two of them but also a doubled BX-25 with the old internals. I had two BX-15s and neither had the old internals, and now I bought three more and while I didn't take them apart and check, I doubt any of those do either. Have you checked to make sure - and I know this sounds retarded - the screws holding the rail on aren't so long they scrape on the bolt? I have heard of it happening in guns like the 336 where the screw holes go completely through the receiver top. The 10/22 also has screw holes completely through the top and while no company SHOULD be making rails with screws too long, you never know. Also check the little mag front nub hole in the front of the magwell to make sure that's not somehow oversized. And if nothing else works, I'd take your red dot off (and aftermarket parts) and send it in to Ruger and let them try to sort it out. I can't say they'll for sure fix it but I've shot multiple 10/22s and while I had feeding issues, it hasn't been too bad. What kind of reliability are you getting? One FTE/stovepipe/FTF in how many mags?
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I've tried off the top of my head: CCI mini-mags (CPHP, CPRN, LRN), CCI copper-22, aguila super extra, aguila colibri, federal bulk, remington golden bullet, winchester CPHP, winchester super-x (basically winchester mini-mags), and that pinoy nickel ammo.
I know for sure the screws don't reach all the way down since I have to brush out fouling gunk from the pockets there when I clean it.
I don't want to deal with ruger customer support honestly, sounds like a pain in the ass and I doubt they'll fix anything.
As for problems shooting. I'd say every 40-60 rounds I get a malfunction, I don't know where this stands compared to other 10/22s but it's pretty bad as far as semi-autos I've owned.
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That's crazy, the non-nickel version of that ammo is by far the least reliable stuff I've ever shot. Even my TX22 won't eat it! The powder difference from shot to shot is MASSIVE, it goes from supersonic out of a 5" barrel to so weak a spent case doesn't even clear the edge of the chamber.
I haven't shot the brass .22's they sell, they must be made in different factories since the nickel stuff is pretty consistent in felt recoil.
i have that same model and it came with the red follower mag
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Do you have any problems with yours?
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nope, works for me. you might have just gotten a lemon
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Damn
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Clean your guide rod with Hoppe's no 9. Tried it and my gun got way smoother just using that alone not even taking it apart. May be some kind of fouling causing stoppages? The guide rod really seems to be a source of grittiness when it has barely any fouling on it. But to be honest 60rds to malfunction isn't too horrible IMO. I know that's not great but it's .22 and cheap ammo varies in a large enough margin and fouling is unpredictable. 40 is closer to bad. I think I usually get maybe 1 in 100? Hard to say. I use my 10/22 even when it's filthy though so stoppages are nothing big. I can think of a time within 3 months where I shot a groundhog and immediately had to clear a feeding issue. 15 or 25 rd mags make it easy to hold on to and the paddle makes it easy to remove them. Had it cleared in the time it took me to poke my head up to check if it needed a second shot, didn't even have to look.
It's not only my hunting rifle but my range gun. Shooting suppressed makes it fucking filthy. I don't think you quite realize how bad it gets. I mean it got so bad it held itself open if you pulled the bolt back all the way and let go. Sluggish. Gritty. I shoot the shit out of my .22s at the range since the ammo is so cheap. Why would I shoot a different gun at the range vs when I go hunting? I spent what I can only describe as "quite a lot for a .22" to get it configured how I want it so I'm going to get my enjoyment out of shooting it even when I'm not hunting - especially because it lets me practice with the exact rifle I hunt with.
An hour or so after I posted that I realized I could use some Hoppes on the guide rod with the bolt locked back to break up whatever junk was in there without totally tearing it down. Yes I have to eventually fully clean it but I really don't want to always be taking it apart considering action and barrel band screw tension (as well as the silencer baffle order, how tight it's screwed on, etc) all affecting point of impact. When I get a range day I don't want to have to also clean and re-zero and shoot groups to re-verify. It's not like hunting raccoons or groundhogs, squirrels are so small even an inch of zero shift can fuck you over on chest shots, which is your biggest target.
you said that you didn't want to take it out of the stock to clean it because it was your hunting rifle and you didn't want to change your zero. if it's just your range gun just stop being lazy and clean the stupid thing after every trip. even if you have a poi shift when you put it back together it should only take a couple shots to rezero. get a torque driver if you are worried about the screws.
That's crazy, the non-nickel version of that ammo is by far the least reliable stuff I've ever shot. Even my TX22 won't eat it! The powder difference from shot to shot is MASSIVE, it goes from supersonic out of a 5" barrel to so weak a spent case doesn't even clear the edge of the chamber.
Pretty useless. Boomers hoard it because they think they're going to need 50,000 rounds to survive off squirrel meat for the rest of their numbered days. You wouldn't even need that much, 1 round per day for 30 years is like 10k, but it would be FAR more efficient, lighter, and less noisey to trap small game so just learn trapping and invest in snare wire instead.
I only have a .22 because I wanted an MP5 but didn't really need a 9mm semiauto cucked version of a submachine gun. So I got it in .22 and it satisfied my itch to have an MP5 type thing to play with. There should be way more clones of cool guns in .22, still waiting on a P90.
well there's 25ACP but the fact is .22lr is so ubiquitous it wouldn't be worthwhile. this hypothetical ammo would be more costly due to the separate primer, just like 25acp
I didn't say it would be centerfire. I'm talking about 22lr but with whatever caliber bullet matches the case id, like how they turned 38 short into 38 long.
u wot
SOME double stack designs can reliably feed up to 16 rounds, never seen higher than that though. CP33 are quad stack but are definitely not "regular," or reliable
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Upgraded the old Stevens
Neat!
What's the cheapest .22lr handgun/revolver that won't fall apart from just shooting? Anon on /k/ gave me the idea of carrying one with ratshot while I'm out shooting in the desert in case I run into snakes.
rough rider or slightly more expensive alternatives like the diamondback or wrangler
p-17 and tx22 but i've heard of some people having issues with those
I'm splitting time between CP33 and TX22 and treating both like crap (no cleaning) lol. I hate the way the CP33 grip and trigger feels, it makes me want to stop shooting it
I do recommend the mcarbo trigger shoe, but yeah the CP33 trigger is weird. The best way I can describe it is that it almost feels like it was designed as a full auto trigger first and then someone remembered they couldn't do that, but never redesigned the thing. Taking some of the reset out with the mcarbo trigger helps significantly, as well as removing a lot of the flex from the mystery polymer that kel-tec designs everything out of.
What's the cheapest .22lr handgun/revolver that won't fall apart from just shooting? Anon on /k/ gave me the idea of carrying one with ratshot while I'm out shooting in the desert in case I run into snakes.
rough rider or slightly more expensive alternatives like the diamondback or wrangler
p-17 and tx22 but i've heard of some people having issues with those
Ruger makes a .22lr revolver (Wrangler) that is RIGHT NOW $150 on PSA's website. It is a good upgrade from the Rough Rider and it is just about (within $30-50) THE SAME PRICE. I've watched those Wranglers and that is a fucking amazing price. Do not get a Rough Rider when the Wrangler is the same price. I won't say the Rough Rider will fall apart but I've seen people wear them out online if their word can be trusted. Warranty is stupid good though IIRC. But Ruger's is decent as well.
I keep looking at the bersa thunder since thats around 300$ and unlike the ppk/s it isn't made by umarex, that said I still have no clue about the reliability.
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What’s your opinion on .22lr?
10/22 with bullpup kit or 10/22 with m1 carbine kit? Answer honestly, I have no 22 yet and im waiting on black friday deals for something at or under 300$
I used to own a Bersa Tunder 380 CC and it was a piece of shit
As for the 10/22, I'd avoid shitty plastic clamshell kits and go with the M1 Carbine kit if you want some form of body kit. I've fingerfucked a few at gun shows and they seem cool and good quality.
Ive got a bersa thunder 380 and its been 100% reliable, think im up near 1000rds through her.
One exception to its reliability though has been when i changed its grips, if you screw the grips on to tight the screws will interfere with the mainspring, causing the hammer to only function as a double action if im membering correctly.
man, this thread is really making me wanna buy a 22.
i always wanted a nice bolt action rifle in 22lr, but I dont have the money to spend on one just yet.
is there something I can buy used for around $400 on gunbroker that can take a silencer, and a scope? bolt or semi, as long as its a rifle. pref wood furniture.
If you forgo the wood furniture requirement, Ruger American Rimfires are perfectly cromulent rifles that take one of the most common 22lr mags in America (10/22). The rotary mags fit flush and the triggers are actually quite decent, I liked mine enough that I bought a Ruger Precision Rimfire and mostly shoot that when I'm in the mood for benchrest small hole making, though the RAR is a much better rifle for shooting offhand.
Please try not to mock me too much for a cantilever mount on a bolt action, I already had it around and am of israeli descent so I refuse to spend my shekels on rings.
Addendum to this, the Ruger bolts are not the finest machined things I've ever experienced. You'll probably have a better experience buying fairly used in this case as they smooth out significantly, but both of these came out of the box with visible machining marks on the bolt. Not enough to hinder functionality but enough that working the bolt was very gritty until I polished them.
Anybody have experience shooting .22 in mild wind?
I shot groups at 100 yards to test ammo accuracy today and some shots were going absolutely CRAZY, like as much as 2 feet high and low at some points, and as much as 8" left or right from zero. I thought it was just CCI Standard Velocity because that's what I started with but the trend continued across multiple loads. Federal Gold Medal seemed to be the only one that was behaving. Norma I just quit trying after 15 rounds disappeared off paper. Wind was mostly zero but looking at weather it was never over 5mph. I could barely feel my hair stir when it kicked up so I thought nothing of it. Can 5mph make that much difference on .22 at 100y? I feel like an inch or two I can accept from wind but FEET off?
Anyway thanks for reading my blog I got some okay groups but had to throw a lot out, sometimes they weren't on the same paper. I simply couldn't believe how far off some shots were, and I don't know if I can really trust any of these groups based on what was going on.
A lot depends on you as well. Open sights or scope, did you have a lead sled or just a sand bag? Consistent eye relief/ cheek to stock weld? Smooth pull or jerk the trigger? Was the wind at 90 degrees to the target or straight on? If scoped, are the rings tight? flinching? breath control?
Ammo types will vary and your gun will like one over the other after trying out several. I can get a 3ish inch groups at a hundred yards with CCI with my Marlin Mod-60 .22 Good luck.
None of that. I'm a good shooter, gun was on a locked bipod and bags, bipod legs tensioned against a ledge on the bench with my weight behind the gun, solidly braced, as close to zero body influence as possible, only trigger finger cheek and shoulder contact, all near as makes no difference perfect trigger pulls with perfect scope alignment, 16x scope with very thin reticle (SWFA SS 16x) all properly torqued. It definitely was not the gun's stability or me, but I can't absolutely rule out something wrong with the gun, bolt or barrel.
I appreciate the suggestions but those kinds of errors from a new shooter, which weren't present here, don't produce inches/feet of movement, they just turn a lazy 1" group into an undisciplined 3" group. They wouldn't be off paper if the gun was zeroed no matter how the gun is mishandled.
I did notice a trend with ammo, in that the Norma and two Geco loads, all three made by Ruag, exhibited this insane random drift worse than anything else. But CCI SV got close to drifting as much, being as much as a foot off at 100y, yet it put down some respectable groups. I just don't know.
I felt wind from every direction but mostly from my back, towards the target, and I withheld many shots even for what scant wind I felt so it's not like I was shooting heedless of wind. Sometimes I felt no wind and a shot would go right over top of the target stand and I'd just shake my head in confusion.
I zeroed my cz 457 at 25m in a ~30km/h wind because that was the only day I had time to. Took it grouse hunting last weekend and was wondering why I was missing 90% of my shots. When I went to zero it again on a calm day it was initially shooting about 1" to the left at 20m. I didnt think a moderate wind at 25m would have made that big of a difference.
I never really found it to matter. But literally every company has a copper plated option so just buy that if it really worries you. That makes up 98% of what I shoot any more. The 2% is weird shit like CCI quiet and subsonic/silencer specific ammo.
You can have a lot of different types of fun with it. Fucking around with a pistol and now worrying about recoil, building a Hollywood silent rifle, teaching your kids how to shoot, building little guns without worrying about blowing them up, etc.
>building little guns without worrying about blowing them up
I'm actually tempted to build a dedicated .22lr upper using CMMG parts (dedicated .22lr barrel). Never put any upper together myself. Will need tools but with a .22 I have a lot less concern I'll do something fucking retarded. And if I don't do something right, oh well, tear it down and do it again.
I love the CMMG kits. They're the king of caliber conversion kits imo. Their 9mm is particularly fantastic. I hear nothing but complaints about how hard it is to get all the parts for 9mm ARs and how finicky they are. I have CMMG's Radial Delayed Blowback kit in an otherwise milspec setup and I used their updated endomags inside some magpul m3 shells. It just fucking works. No magazine adapters. No last round hold open madness. No special lowers or uppers or hunting for parts that are no longer made.
I can buy a box of 800 for the same price as 50 rounds of 9MM. For that reason alone everyone should have one for training especially if you’re a poorfag.
No. They're usually very crappy, imagine someone converted a potmetal airsoft toy into a .22 and you get the picture. Buy a High Standard or a Smith and Wesson 41 if you want a .22 with a military pistol look.
underrated. it can kill pretty much everything well if you hit CNS. including humans. For unarmored targets at 25 m and in, and with a skilled shooter, there is little difference in terminal effect between .22 and 5.56 ball. Obviously the 5.56 passes through more but in terms of killing they are more similar than people think. The rim gives it an element of unreliability that isnt present on 5.56. For pistols suppressed, it's hard to beat. I only use cans on .22 pistols, and 9mm/45 pistols and carbines. oil filter adapters work great with .22
Nah, 18.5" is fine, because you will really appreciate the tremendous amount of soul that the henry garden gun has. (and even it i find to be rather long for the job of ratting)
Nice, digits on the serial number too. (assuming)
An aesthetic serial is honestly make or break for me on whether or not a firearm is worthy of keeping around.
last time i shot one it bounced around inside the squirrels head and then went into a poor bystander's head and then another and then another until it killed probably 50 people. most lethal bullet on the market.
Like i mentioned before why not try the umarex next to the bersa thunder 22. They are 100$ difference or less and the bersa costs less. High velocity is reauired for both though.
imo good for small game hunting in places that a larger caliber would draw attention. a handgun with a scope in 22lr would be my choice. easy to conceal and discreet enough to take a few shots without alerting anybody nearby.
also 22lr semi auto rifles with large capacity mags would be good for shooting along side a larger caliber to save more expensive ammo while constantly shooting during an camping trip or something.
I like it
itty bitty teenie weenie shriveled little short tort man
it's good. gottago plinking with my savage some time soon
64?
yeah
That is pure sex.
Got some padauk wood grips on the way, gonna be sweet
That is what I'm trying to find out as well, been going through a bunch of different ammo lately. Saw that thread someone started about the aguila subsonic super sniper 22lr and that seems interesting.
Browning 40gr is the "quietest" so far that reliably cycles, not uncomfortable to shoot without earpro but not truly quiet. The mini-mags run great but are a bit louder, still not painful without earpro but probably not technically hearing safe with enough shooting. Stingers are loud as fuck unsurprisingly. Quiet-22 is actually super quiet but doesn't cycle (just not enough juice), have tried the segmented stuff yet though. Norma tac-22 is a bit quieter than the browning 40gr but just doesn't run. Bullets have a waxy coating but are the only ones that seem to have problems feeding (but also don't quite have enough juice to cycle). Haven't tried the standard cci but it's rated similar to the norma so I assume it won't cycle.
The Aguila sniper subsonic is just a hair too loud even in a 10/22 with a Sig SRD. Pops barely but pretty sharp and makes my ears ring just above what random CCI CB Quiet would in a bolt action ~20" barrel. Probably about twice as loud as the random quiets that would pop? Three times? I dunno, I don't like 'em. Maybe it would work better in a pistol where it stays truly subsonic. I've been shooting 38gr Aguila Hollowpoints (1280fps, pic related) in my 18" 10/22 with SIG SRD but I have a feeling it might not be totally hearing safe. Still supersonic. The CCI Quiet LR is nice in the Beretta but it doesn't even cycle, which sucks.
Anyone shoot 38gr HP 1280FPS Aguila (pic related) in a silenced 10/22 as well as the 38gr hollowpoint subsonic Aguila? Curious how different the point of impact is compared to the supersonic and how much quieter it really is. Pretty much every subsonic round I've tried shoots low left. Some lower than others but mostly the same distance left.
PS: The 40gr ~1250fps non copper plated Aguila in blue and white boxes seems to sometimes be subsonic some not. I think this is why some people say Aguila has a lot of variation in their ammo - it's specifically THIS ammo that's just on the edge out of an 18" silenced 10/22.
>makes my ears ring just above what random CCI CB Quiet would in a bolt action ~20" barrel.
to clarify: not silenced. For some reason some of them were just loud. Plenty of them were only on the first shot after reloading, like a first round pop but no silencer. The 10/22 I finally got silenced but the bolt action is way too old to have been factory threaded.
Have you found quiet ammo that cycles with a silencer? Just bought some more ammo (for a rifle) but what I've tried so far doesn't cycle though I haven't tried the new stuff. CCI quiet (LR) doesn't cycle with silencer. It gets so close. I think the CCI quiet shorts single loaded even eject but don't cock it or load the next without silencer. I think some of my new ammo for sure should cycle but curious about your experiences.
not that anon but i have run aguila subsonics in suppressed walther p22, keltec p17, keltec cp33 and a 10.5 in ar15 with cmmg conversion kit with zero issues
ive killed like, 7 groundhogs and 4 coons with that stuff, its perfect
Now that's what I want to hear; glad it sounds like it still has enough power to take down stuff other than squirrels. Are you taking headshots on the raccoons or heart and lung? I love my Aguila 38gr supersonic but I'm hesitant to just keep blasting away as I'm probably doing some damage to my ears. Doesn't hurt but the quieter the better either way. Does it have the same point of impact/zero or haven't you shot the supersonic in the same gun?
groundhogs i go for lung or headshots and they drop instantly. Raccoons i usually catch them in a cage and shoot them in the head real close. They kick around a lot but i think its just reflexes.
Well groundhogs are at least very similar in size. And yeah the raccoons kicking around is just disinhibition. Basically if the brain gets severed and destroyed in the right way, the nerves fire off as there's nothing left to stop the "signal" to contract certain muscles. Usually just the back legs kicking but I also see lower body muscles twitch or spasm and relax and sometimes it looks like they're still breathing; that's "agonal breathing" - which as gruesome as it sounds, is just an uncontrolled chest spasm due to the lack of connection to the brain. Ted's Holdover has a great video on it (and he's a really good shot with a pellet gun). Animals twitch when their brain is destroyed. They're already dead, or only have a couple seconds. Another place you may see muscle twitching is some hair follicles. I've seen squirrel tails puff up and flicker a little before just relaxing and the fur "collapsing" back to its relaxed state. Weird shit happens. Sometimes other muscles jitter. Did way too much research and end up remembering a lot of information on this because you want to make sure you know when to take a second shot and when you don't have to. Some animals kick around more than others. I think raccoons kick around a lot more than others a lot longer for some reason. Never personally shot one; want to try to get one this year.
Neat.
If you want specifically quiet, I used what's left of my stash of Eley subsonic. Sadly it's made in England and getting rarer in the US. I've recently fallen in love with Federal Premium Punch as have a lot of other folks. I think Federal also realizes it's a win so it'll be around in the coming years.
I had the same issue with my rifle wiht the CCI quiets. The dwell time is just off and it dosen't cycle reliably. I would recommend trying out CCI Standard Velocity. They are still subsonic so they work well suppressed, but they're right at the threshold so they are hotter than the quiets. I have also found that CCI makes cleaner rounds than other manufacturers so there is a bonus there.
I would like to see someone reproduce this thing and put onto market.
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The ATF would definitely classify each round as a suppressor.
>first vid
That is fucking adorable.
>reddit placemat chink garbage I've seen a billion times of the ar technical drawing
get a different placemat, child
it doesn't negatively impede the function of a mat to have a diagram on it, and they're in literally every gun store.
Don't care, you need to get a different one that meets my standards
Don't blow a gasket big guy, it was a gift from my significant other. She brought home BRC coffee one time when the store was out of my regular stuff, but she didn't know any better and that was fortunately resolved with a simple open palm.
>resolved with a simple open palm
what did anon mean by this
As opposed to a closed fist. She really didn't know any better so no need to go full LEO mode
Buy me one then homosexual
A fine choice my friend.
good and cool. I'm glad it exists.
its breddy useful
It's my fav cartridge. Smol, fun, cheap, quiet and still pretty deadly. It's pretty dang great you know?
me when burt posts
The only thing worse than an attention-whoring tripn*gger is a tripn*gger dick rider
Kys if you arent samefagging. Your parents will be secretly relieved
>attempting to fit in this hard
>will not say "nagger"
Go back
>n*gger
way worse than saying nagger on this board
Burt is one of like 3 tripfags that are okay.
ok Burt dial it back
Burt and Lady...who else that still posts?? Hell lady barey even posts anymore. This is the first time ive been to /k/ since the israelitekraine war started. This place is a shell of itself
SEG is alright too. Not as active though. Lady comes off as insufferable in my experience
Clearly you’re the nagger anon.
Why can't you say 'nagger' anon?
What's the bolt gun?
CZ 455 with Thompson Machine Operative B CZ integrally suppressed barrel
It's of adequate size, some women even prefer it.
S-tier caliber. Fun, cheap, and with sub-sonic I can sit on my porch and plink without annoying my neighbors. Every gun owner should have at least one .22lr firearm.
damn, I could use .22 bolt action and a suppressor. I live in a suburb with a neighbor behind me who owns a large portion of the land and doesn't do anything with it, so I think I could probably get away with shooting a suppressed .22 in my backyard, so long as he isn't mowing or anything.
cci quiet .22lr is quieter, without as suppressor, than a gas airsoft gun. pick up a box and let one rip in the woods to check it out, its super cheap too.
The CCI CB Longs are super duper quiet. Gotta manually cycle the bolt on a 10/22 but that's no biggie. Pretty much have to aim for the head on squirrels and cats to guaruntee a kill with 'em but that makes it more fun imo.
Hell yeah. I mainly plink with an old model 25 bolt action, so I'll look for some of these.
It's sad that despite revolutionary advances in manufacturing technology that could've given us a much superior option for equal or lesser cost, we are stuck with it due to economies of scale and the problem of sunk cost.
I mean it's pretty much ideal where it is, the only things that could improve it is primers/removal of the rim to allow better stacking in magazines but that comes at great cost per round and would require replacement of all .22s out there. What else is .22 lacking in it's weight class?
They're both great, but for me the capacity of the TX makes it the winner
I love GP but the reliability of their .22s is an unknown quantity where TX22s and Marks are known to be very high.
nah man, the primary disadvantages of 22lr are exactly why it's so cheap. and it's really not even a disadvantage when you look at it from an engineering perspective.
look at 25 acp, it's bigger than 22lr but because so much of the case volume has to be used to create the brass case head and primer pocket, the Hispaniciest 25acp loads are about as powerful as 22 short. and that's ignoring the fact that you can buy like 10 rounds of 22 for the price of a single 25 acp cartridge
rimfire primers are simpler and have the disadvantage of increased magazine complexity, but they allow the bullets to be a hell of a lot more powerful than they would otherwise be because of that simplicity. on top of that, all of the 22 rimfire calibers share SAAMI spec data so you have a wide variety of cartridge lengths and power loadings to work with if you're trying to design something from scratch
22lr is a perfect example of how modern technology can make 150 year old technology perfectly viable because the issue is not the technology itself its the parameters of its design
I still don't know if I was in the right picking a MkIV Tactical over a TX-22.
you should've got the Grand Power K22 which is superior to both yet no one ever talks about it.
If you're Grand Power k22 anon, thanks for making me aware of it. It is easily my second favorite suppressor-ready .22LR handgun after the Mark IV Target. Main downside is the lack of adjustable target sights.
Far superior to the P322, TX22, FN 502, P17, Beretta Bobcat (meme gun) etc.
Someone suggest me another suppressable .22LR pistol!
I love my TX-22 zero issues using CCI standard with almost 600 rounds through it.
>Compensator on a .22 LR pistol
Loving every laugh
that is a bit much.
what can is that?
Looks cool and I intend on using it for Shoot Steel, also wanted something closer in weight to some of my other guns for practice.
Also, this comp is able to be used on other things inc .223 and 556
I own both, though I have the TX22 competition. The Taurus has somehow been far more reliable, and if you don't intend to/want to do any gunsmithing it's probably the better choice out of the box - trigger will be nicer, higher capacity, as I said a little more reliable suppressed anecdotally.
I have the Tandemkross triggers on both, with the Volquartsen accurizing kit in the Ruger it has a much nicer trigger pull, though it was a pain in the ass to work on the Ruger with my gorilla mitts. I've also had to do an obnoxious amount of work on my Ruger mags to get it to feed reliably, they have some of the worst finish quality I've ever seen on a production magazine and while they work just fine unsuppressed, the moment you introduce any backpressure and/or fouling they cause feeding issues galore, I had to polish the ever living shit out of every sharp, chattered edge and add extra power magazine springs to get them to run and they still don't behave with some standard velocity loads. The bolt face on the Ruger is also incredibly prone to carbon fouling, and if you don't clean it regularly it'll leave the bolt face just set back enough that you'll end up with light primer strikes and possibly OOB detonations (again, running suppressed so YMMV if you don't).
If I had to go back in time and just pick 1 I wish I'd just bought the Taurus, the only downside to the competition model is that I get a ton of shit blowing back in my face when running HV ammo suppressed due to the open top design, but that's solved by either getting a slide riding optics mount for the standard one or buying the Compact.
Pros to the MKIV: much cooler looking IMO.
fun
Is that yours?
Does the optic hold zero on a takedown model?
NTA, but I have one. It does not, but good enough for plinking.
Magpul makes an adapter called an X-22 optic mount that moves the mount forward to the barrel assembly which because the scope is now on the barrel itself does keep as perfect zero as possible.
dont have a pic on my phone at the moment but I mostly got it as i thought it looked cool.
I picked up some HiViz fiber optic sights for my takedown and they work great. Im considering getting a front sight post for my AK
From what I can tell, no, or at least the anons I've talked to have told me ~1-2" shift, which is not good enough for me as a squirrel hunter. Kind of wish they went a different route and just broke the receiver in two from the bottom (take trigger group and stock with the back of the receiver) as I'd be all over that shit.
What the other anon said, the magpul adapter that mounts red dots to the barrel on the takedown is a perfect zero. It changed the takedown from not too accurate to be practucal with an optic to a serious SHTF gun. I also use skinner peep sights on the rear dovetail also
yeah
good enough to plink with
its also an airsoft red dot so..
hurting for cash slightly, I'm thinking about selling my stainless 10/22 with stainless bushnell optic and some mags and ammo with it. Keep my minimags for a 22 auto. That's how I feel about 22. So what
Just my 2¢ but never sell a .22. You won't make significant money on it, and I guaruntee you'll miss it. You may eventually have the money to replace it, but you'll wishnyou still had the one you sold. Plus 22's make excellent heirlooms and you'll regret not having your 10/22 to pass on. That's how I feel about the Buckmark i sold, at least
it's ammo meant less for killing and more for entertainment, though it is still quite capable of killing. 10/10 ammo.
I’ve shot a lot of raccoons with .22
It’s a great round. My favorites are CCI standard velocity for my suppressor, CCI Velocitor for all purpose varmint shooting, and Federal punch for my carry piece.
CCI segmented subsonic 22lr has killed so many fucking things with my guns.
love me 22
Jeez anon you want some rifle with that scope?
I just got a bunch of this Browning stuff and am looking forward to see how it does in autos and while silenced. I found that Norma Tac 22 stuff doesn't cycle my TX22 reliably and it's FILTHY with wax.
Who makes Browning's .22 ammo? It says "made in USA" so I'm guessing Winchester or Remington, because it looks too crummy to be CCI.
no, i need more scope and less rifle. i should get a little badger
He wants to see the bullet in UHD enter the cranium
I have found all of Norma's .22 to be trash, underpowered, and dirty as fuck, none of the stuff I have tried worked in my TX-22 or my CMMG kit, and even gave some to a range buddy and they tried it in a 10/22 with it not wanting to cycle any of it.
Well that sucks. I have yet to try it in bolt action, supposedly it's very accurate.
It should be in one. The bullets they use are good. Just everything else about them sucks in a semi-auto.
That is the ugliest gun I have ever seen.
That's what my 10/22 looks like with my Leupold VX Freedom 3-9x and a scope shade as well. It nearly gets to the end of the B-TM forend, lol. Too much scope? Nah...
ebin
Gorgeous. I always love seeing Marks with the standard frame.
If I were to build battle robots, the ones suited to a peacekeeping role would be fitted with .22 machine guns.
The most fun per cent you can have with firearms. 22s can cost around 100 bucks and boxes of hundred of rounds only 20, and both can be found anywhere. 22 is 2ez and 2cheap.
Got a mark IV, a 10/22, and a revolver in the past few months, and I'm looking for a lever action or bolt action rifle to round out my .22 collection. I'm partial to wood furniture but other than that I'm pretty suggestible. Any ideas? Guns you found particularly fun to plink with or were otherwise charmed by?
Can't go wrong with a Cz 457. You get iron sights, dovetail rail, threaded barrel, and easy to find magazines, can hardly wish for more
Henry’s lever-actions are g2g.
Ruger American rimfire if you want mag compatibility with your 10/22. Flush 10 round mag is hard to beat. Only one option offered in wood though and it’s laminated.
CZ 457 also good option like anon mentioned. Comes in wood and can switch out barrels ez if you want to shoot .22 WMR and .17 HMR
is it possible for a larger rimfire ammo type to be effective and low cost?
It does nothing to elephants, it sucks.
I like my Remington 504 (purchased in 2005) but the magazine is super janky. I want to try spending way too much time making one myself out of a block of mild steel.
I want a second .22 long rifle rifle primarily for squirrel hunting. I'm and think I want a rifle that's not a bolt action, but I don't know what's supposed to be good or dogshit quality nowadays. For price uuhhh let's just say up to $600 if it's worth it.
right here anon
For new lever actions all I really see are Henrys, Rossis, and the occasional Heritage or Browning rifle. Are Winchester and Marlin entirely out of the lever 22 market?
Hard to go wrong with a 10/22. You might could get one very cheap this coming Black Friday, then add in an improved trigger and a Green Mountain barrel and a stock that takes .920 barrel diameter you'll have a very accurate gun under $600.
Thanks 😀
Damn it. I want a TS8 but they don't import them to the US. I'll have to watch for an Xcalibur or something.
>Hard to go wrong with a 10/22. You might could get one very cheap this coming Black Friday, then add in an improved trigger and a Green Mountain barrel and a stock that takes .920 barrel diameter you'll have a very accurate gun under $600.
Correct me if I'm understanding your suggestion incorrectly:
>buy a rifle
>replace the stock
>replace the barrel
>replace the trigger
What's left of the original rifle besides the receiver and bolt? I don't know much about 10/22s aside from that they're extremely customizable with a huge aftermarket, but are they really that bad straight from the Ruger factory?
10/22s are fine rifles from the factory, just not exceptional. Stocks are pretty typical 'cheap hunting rifle' style stocks. The barrel is accurate enough, most get ~2moa, some are more or less accurate. The triggers are fine, but not like a match trigger.
I'd say if you want to replace everything anyways, then yeah this is a fine way to go. They're not complicated rifles and are pretty easy to assemble. You can also buy 10/22 clones from companies other than ruger, with full parts compatibility. There's other 22 semi autos out there, and they aren't any worse than stock 10/22s, but they all have less aftermarket
1" at 50 yards is plenty fine for squirrel hunting IMHO, I've been reading up on what kind of accuracy people report for other .22 rifles. Henry lever actions are apparently only capable of ~2" groups at 50 yards which nixed them from my shortlist. I think I'm going to go with a 10/22 receiver and build a rifle from that, if it's not accurate I only have my own dumb ass to blame.
nice, good luck anon.
All I did on mine is stock and Volquartsen target hammer/shim kit. The rest is as it shipped except the scope and rail (and now silencer). Shoots minute of "good enough for squirrel hunting at further distances than I could ever reliably shoot one at". Now considering buying a Ruger BX trigger locally because...? I mean man does it feel good but do I need one at $80-90? Be careful, anon, $1500+ 10/22s come rapidly. Also I never personally bought just a receiver because I always thought the aftermarket ones were almost all ugly, kek. Something about that built in picatinny rail. I know, I know, practicality over looks, but...
Follow up question: is there any prudence to buying a 10/22 receiver and simply building a rifle up from that with the parts I want?
I ordered a threaded barrel adapter for the old Stevens Favorite to plink in the backyard without annoying the old neighbor and this morning it hit me that the barrel diameter is the same on my fully semi-automatic open bolt .22
Looking forward to that
The only .22 I own is a Winchester M1906 from 1914. It was shot to shit when I got it, so paid a fair sum to have it relined with competition-grade liner.
Fantastic little shooter.
The best cartridge for plinking and small game hunting.
Do i need a drum mag for my 10/22? Have beeing thinking of 110 round one
>need
no
>want
Fuck yeah. Can't really comment on the reliability
why stop at drums
Why do I carry a .22 LR? Because they don't make a .23 LR.
It makes my old roommate seeth because I can shoot all day for less than 30$ (note: he still thinks 22 is a waste of money)
luv me my 22
22 wmr and 22 short are better rounds for what they do. Its a round that just runs on its own historical momentum.
GRAND POWER K22S shill reporting in
Do you own one?
Ayy
yes
How reliable is it? Does it share the typical GP trigger? How many rounds per mag?
great trigger yep.
Incredibly reliable. More reliable than any other 22 pistol I've owned (and I've owned basically every single one).
10 rounds, but you can get kits from the UK to bump it to 17. They ship to the states.
Leverbros WW@?
>go to gun store
>see used guns
>woah a lever action .22!
>$650-900
>it is in "good" condition at best
Every time.
Gotchu senpai
https://www.wikiarms.com/guns?q=Rossi%20Rio%20Bravo
based
sorry im a pumpchad (Browning Trombone)
God's true cartridge
My 10/22's are boring to look at and handle but it's fun shooting something without feeling like I'm wasting money. Maybe some replica .22's would be more fun?
I think the allure of having a cool gun replica in 22 is going to wear off after your first range trip with it. It may look like an STG44 vaguely, but it won't feel like one. Maybe get a 22 revolver, or lever action, or get into precision 22 shooting
cci standards work well in my 10/22, very few reliability issues for me. experiment with ammo until you find something that works well
I like the 10/22 ten rounders because they have decent enough capacity to not make it feel like i'm reloading every 5 seconds while also not sticking out the bottom like most longer 22 rifle mags
Alternatively conversion kits for handguns do feel really good, beretta 92fs official conversion kit, sig p226 sonversion kit, advantage arms glock and 1911 conversion kits. You can shoot your impractical cool guns way more often and dont have to shell out 45aarp prices etc
fucking pissed the cz75 kadet conversions are nowhere to be found
I think everyone should have at least one .22 rifle.
>What’s your opinion on .22lr?
Love the stuff, I got a ton before the whole price jump and spent the money saved buying .22lr pistol & revolver. Than got a range pass for $225 that allows me to go all year long for free to plink. If I did the same amount with my 9mm, 45acp or 5.56 I would be down a $10k if not more each year.
what .22lr revolver did you get?
ive been lookin at the colt cobra for edc but would be curious to see your opinion on whatever you bought.
nta but if you're looking for an EDC 22 revolver I like the LCRs
looks like a great option for pocket carry.
do you own an LCR?
I have an LCRx, so same internals but not as small
just be aware most 22 revolvers are going to have a heavy DA trigger, but the lcr trigger feels pretty good despite its weight
>3333
>777
.17HMR IS BEST RIMFIRE HANDS DOWN NOTHING IN THE CATEGORY IS BETTER THAN .17HMR
.22lr is cute though. Not bad.
I like it. Good to learn and practice with, quiet enough to shoot comfortably without earpro, and more than enough to kill a man if need be (I mean it's a 22 you shouldn't miss). My main gripes are with reliability, seems that every 22 autoloader I try is picky with ammo and the ammo itself seems to have a fairly short shelf life compared to centerfire rounds. Probably my #3 favorite after 38 special and 25 acp (luv me 25)
The undefeated GOAT, I have 10k rounds stacked deep for plinking.
I'm in the market for a good 22lr rifle, and I'm torn between the 10/22 and the Henry Classic. Since I live in a nogunz state, my mag cap is limited to 10 max, unless it's tube-fed in either a lever or a pump shotgun. With a lever gun, my capacity is unlimited, but the 10/22 is more practical. If you had to pick one 22lr, what would it be?
get a browning sa-22. Japanese made, takedown, tube fed, svelte, downward ejecting for fun
I would argue that you would be better off with a marlin m60. Higher capacity than cuck mags, tube fed, and semi auto. The glenfield model even has some classy squirrels on the stock.
Re-read that post anon. 10 max in semi-autos, unlimited in tube-fed levers and pumps, can't take advantage of a tube-fed semi auto like the 60.
At least a 10/22 with 10rd rotary mags is practical AF albeit not terribly interesting. I like 10/22s for the aftermarket, without that I don't see a reason to take it over a Savage 64 or Mossberg 702/Rossi RS22, they're both cheaper, lighter, and every bit as good up until you want to buy fun parts and big mags.
My bad, i was half heartedly reading it.
I have a 10/22 and a henry classic. I would recommend the henry over the 10/22 though. Its mainly because i like the manual action and my 10/22 is too picky with ammo. I can run anything through the henry, including shorts/quiets for pests and plinking without earpro. I would say that its more reliable and practical.
>Lever gun is more reliable for 22lr than semi-auto
Welp, that does it. Gonna git me a lever gat lmao.
An excellent suggestion, but I've settled on the Henry Classic Carbine. I've heard nothing but good news about their rifles.
i like .22lr
it it was more reliable it would be a real menace
don't buy shitty ammo. I've never had a light primer strike with certain good brands.
>Went to the desert to shoot my 10/22
>Burning through the rest of my Winchester and starting with some Aguila
>Notice the Aguila sounds SO much quieter than the Winchester, almost sounds like subsonic but it's not
>Take off earplugs and shoot Aguila again
>It's not quiet at all, it's just high pitched as fuck and I guess got filtered through the plugs better
aaaaiiiieeeee my ears
Aquilas are coated in grease
Most 22lr is coated in grease or wax
Did you shoot that stupid 40gr stuff? I have a silenced 10/22 and like 1/2 to 1/3 of those things sound damn quiet...and then the rest are FULL VOLUME. I wish they just reduced the load a little as it's obvious they're too close to being at the edge of supersonic. It would make my life easier (buying ammo) for sure.
what 22 ammo do you guys like to shoot? I'm looking for something to balance price and accuracy. Also copper platting is a plus, I hate getting lead everywhere. I'm currently getting about 2moa with cci standards.
I pretty much only shoot CCI minimag 40 grs. They work well in my 10/22, my CMMG drop in kit for my AR, and my MKVI. If you look around you can find good deals on them.
CCI standard velocity with almost everything.
CCI quiet with the suppressed single shot backyard plinker
Blazer with the smol Beretta because it won't cycle standards
>price and accuracy
I don't think it's going to get better than CCI without costing 2x more. Eley Club is like 16cpr adn that's not copper washed. SV and Minimag are about the same accuracy in my rifle but it may vary in your guns, Minimag is copper plated.
You used to be able to get Wolf Target which was made by Eley for about the same cost but they caught on to that many years ago and shut it down lol. That stuff was INSANELY accurate for the price.
I was bringing the capability up to the set price of $600, but even a reggo 10/22 would be great for squirrels under 70 yards or so, nah they're not bad and in fact I'd suggest if you get a 10/22 you shoot it as is for awhile so you know why or if you'd want to upgrade it.
The barrel is going to make the biggest difference to accuracy, but then you'd need a stock to allow the heavy profile. And trigger work is cheap, or you can buy a BX trigger which is okay, or a Volquartsen hammer which is good. But I didn't mean to imply you must replace the whole gun, just wanted to get you more gun for your $600
That's a route a lot of people go if they're in the same boat, however that's gonna end up costing more than $600 I think. You can typically resell take-off parts to recoup a little from starting with a complete gun.
how's aguilla super extra copper plated? I've heard a few people say they're fairly accurate compared to CCIs for a similar price, but that is pretty anecdotal
I have never shot that stuff for groups sorry. I bought a couple of cases years ago and I just heedlessly burned through it as blasty ammo, mainly in my TX22. The bullets don't gum up mags like wax does but the powder is FILTHY, smoky and it smells but it seems to work pretty well, I don't recall many duds out of ~3k rounds.
I wouldn't be surprised if it has okay-decent accuracy though, Aguila makes or made at least some products for Eley. I don't have any more or I'd put some through my CZ 455, sorry.
cool, I'll buy some and see if i like it
My Ruger Precision Rimfire groups consistently better with Aguila HV than with either CCI Standard or Mini-Mags at 50yds, at 100yds and beyond the CCI Standard tends to be the most accurate out of those because of trans-sonic shenanigans
The only thing I don't like Aguila for is that whenever I run into a gun with a slightly weak striker it tends to be the first ammo to stop working, idk if they use a harder primer compound or what but my MKIV really does not like the stuff.
Also it does kinda smell like cat piss when you dump a bunch of it at once, that's just an Aguila thing though. Still generally prefer it for price reasons (i am israeli)!
thanks for the info anon. i love cat piss
My 10/22 shoots the 38gr hollowpoints the best out of any ammo I've found. I've only compared it to bulk federal, bulk winchester, and most recently, the CCI/Winchester/aguila low velocity quiet/silencer ammo. The Aguila non copper plated solid 40gr supersonic varies in speed from shot to shot and most are supersonic while others aren't. The copper plated 38gr shoots great but it's not target ammo or anything IMO. Very waxy, hardens in the winter and gets gummy in the summer heat. From my limited experience shooting it silenced I can't get through a 500rd bulk box without cleaning lol. It kills squirrels pretty well though so I have a good bit of it stashed for hunting and range use.
>I was bringing the capability up to the set price of $600, but even a reggo 10/22 would be great for squirrels under 70 yards or so, nah they're not bad and in fact I'd suggest if you get a 10/22 you shoot it as is for awhile so you know why or if you'd want to upgrade it.
>That's a route a lot of people go if they're in the same boat, however that's gonna end up costing more than $600 I think.
This gives me something to obsess over for a few weeks, you have my thanks. I am starting a new spreadsheet.
here, my second .22lr rifle quest has veered off course. I’m now looking at a CZ 457 Jaguar and eventually getting a suppressor for it. I know the length won’t bother me because my other other squirrel rifle is a .32 muzzleloader that I made with a 42” long barrel. How are CZ’s rimfire rifles in general? I’ve not found anything strikingly bad written about them online so far.
lots of 22 competition shooters use them. I shot one once and it was quite nice.
I own a Jaguar. I honestly don't think you can beat it at the price point. Also, if you want to get a more accurate bolt action I'm fairly sure you're talking about getting into Vudoo territory or the like.
The Jaguar is quiet; it is accurate; it is pretty. I prefer the 5 round magazines because they fit flush. I do not like how damn expensive the magazines are for what they are. The sling swivels are meh and I replaced mine with better.
I shot some CCI quiet out of it the other day. With that long barrel, they were very quiet. Then I put the silencer on it. Then it was hilariously quiet. The loudest thing about it at that point was the sound of the bullet striking paper at 25 yards. There was some savage bullet drop (compared to standard velocity) even at just 25 yards. The lob to get it on target at 100 yards would be hysterical... In fact I just punched the numbers into the ballistic calculator and if you're zero'd for 25 yards, then it's going to drop 23.8 inches at 100 yards.
But that's beside the point. The Jaguar is a fantastic rifle. I cannot speak to how it will hold up being drug around innawoods, but it seems solid enough to deal with that sort of thing.
Also, 22plinkster loves his CZs, and given that it's 22plinkster I figure that counts for something.
I also want a Jaguar. I've never heard about anything wrong with them. Length with a silencer will be hilarious. I'm used to an 18" barreled 10/22 with regular stock. Now I have a 18" (threaded) 10/22 with a B-TM stock. So I got used to how that handled when walking deer trails and through brush. I put a silencer on it and it is fucking STUPID. Like near Jaguar length. I have to angle it down quite a lot (while flat against chest) if I want to walk deer trails without snagging. But I still want a Jaguar with a silencer bad. Can only imagine how quiet that is.
Just keep in mind the wood is going to get scratched while hunting. Keep shellac on hand at home - or spar varnish. Wood/finish scratches, it just happens. Don't let it bother you. My B-TM stock got wrecked on the bottom because I was using the edge of a wood rifle rest in a position it wasn't meant to be used in. Man did that do damage. Then I used a metal cast painted rifle rest that I forgot my bag on. Wow that fucked it up. Rifle rest bags are great. Finishes can be stripped and reapplied. It just hurts more when your stock was $250 while your 10/22 was like $370 new lol.
My buddy owns a jag that we shoot suppressed whenever we go shoot .22s. It stupid accurate and dumb quiet. Adding the can almost doesn't help. I can semi-reliably punch primers out of shotgun hulls we would hand in a chain link fence at about 30-40ish yds.
Huh. Do you shoot normal supersonic ammo? I would be pissssssed if it was as quiet as my silenced 10/22 I spent like $1600 on to get it how I wanted it but I'd also be happy to know that I had an alternative gun to shoot I didn't have to buy another silencer for lol.
PS/off topic: Now that my can came in I want to start on a 5.56 silencer and a Mask HD - if the fucking things are ever in stock when I look. That was the first silencer I shot with and it was stupid quiet. Unfortunately I only shot it on a bolt action some guy had. But damn even with supersonics it was quiet. Want to see if it's an upgrade to what I have right now or not. If not, oh well. That just means it can go on something else as well.
Nah, that was shooting subs. It was still noticeably quieter with a can on it, but not near as much of a difference as my 16 or 20" bolts suppressed and unsuppressed. Supers still had the crack that's pretty loud, but unsuppressed it was still fairly comfortable shooting without ear pro to my shitty ears (still wouldnt recommend it, I'm sure osha wouldn't approve). The 10/22 action is loud as hell once you take out the report of it firing. If I'm shooting 45 gr federal or CCI through my 16" 457 royal, I can hear the bullet spinning as it trundles down range. The "clack" of my 10/22 makes that sound a lot harder to notice while shooting.
Also, my same buddy's mask is pretty damn quiet. Not much first round pop and it stays quiet. The tube is easy to open and clean as well, which helps. My rugged occulus is nearly as quiet and still not difficult to clean, but honestly, if I were to do it over I'd get the mask instead. I never use the occulus in the short configuration. Same goes for the Obsidians we have, they never get shot short.
standards because suppressed is fun and they shoot well in most guns. always been my goto. occasionally I'll get some stangers or cbs for fun in my henry lever or Elys for shooting groups in my match barrel. I need to get my 22s out more
>CCi Minimags
>Federal Auto Match
>Norma Tac 22
Federal is insanely good and I think I might buy more boxes soon since there's tons of them at my local walmart
You may not like it but I like the armscor ammo, its the cheapest and it is accurate enough for me
I fell hard for the 9 hole reviews suppressed mark iv meme
It's lots of fun, despite shitting where it eats and spotty reliability
weird, the one i shot was pretty gasless and reliable. I really want to get an integrally suppressed one some day
>shitting where it eats
from the look of your car that's not an issue for you
Words hurt anon
i was at the gun store and i handled the black one and then i handled the stainless one
the balance of the black one is all fucked up because the frame is anodized aluminum and the upper is steel, so it feels really weird
i bought the stainless one for this reason, no idea why the fuck ruger made the black one out of aluminum
it also looks really shitty when it gets wear on it, the shiny aluminum starts to show through the black and it's not good
this guy fucks dogs lol
Post some decent guns or forever be a loser who got called out by a furfag
Is this true?
Is he, by chance, the guy who once provided detailed instructions on how to safely make sweet love to your doggos? If so i am going to need you to post proofs, for, reasons, related to 22lr.
.22LR is likely the best caliber in the modern era for SHTF reasons. they are quiet, light, and super cheap so you can get a lot of training in with them, the ruger 10/22 is a super reliable rifle and pretty cheap to.
Its not going to put down a large animal, but for basic small game hunting its more than adequite. you also would be able to deal with non plate hostiles from any distance that you could feasable hit them.
I keep finding them randomly after having a 555 box fall down the open stairway of my 3 story house a few years ago
Cheap, can bag a deer, good survival cartridge. Pretty common deer rifle, and is also an inexpensive way to train long range precision shooting.
Chechen guerrilla snipers used it to kill Russian soldiers so it's not out of the question for serious organized warfare, but there are better options if available.
as an europeon PCP air rifles have taken the role 22lr had for me, cheap plinking, target shooting and small-game hunting. I'd rather spend more for a 22 wmr
zip zap crickety crack
bupmi
Fun to shoot , cheap , useful against small animals , useful to train the inexperienced or young on how to use a firearm
What isn’t there to like ?
My ruger 10/22 is unreliable as fuck. It either rams the bullet into the lip of the magazine, fails to eject the casing, or casing doesn't fully eject. Using stock magazine, already tried CCI, browning, aguila and other types of ammo, so far this pinoy ammo is the most reliable
maybe your rifle doesn't like gay dudes shooting it
>start shooting silenced
>struggle to get over 500rds before my gun starts getting gritty
Halp. Anons how the hell do you clean out a silenced 10/22 without having to take it out of the stock every 500rds? It's a hunting rifle so I'd rather not have to do so for fear of zero shift etc. Getting gritty, especially the guide rod/spring piece. It wants to hold itself open if I pull the bolt back all the way. I'll try anything. Would any aftermarket guide rod resist getting dirty and gritty any longer? Random pic of someone else's dirty 10/22 for attention.
>It either rams the bullet into the lip of the magazine
BX15 or the actual stock rotary? Because I'm this fucking close to modifying the feed lip on a BX-15 if I ever find a cheap used example. I think I just have to polish it a little and take the edge off but I have a bad feeling and Ruger brand mags aren't cheap. A stronger coil spring would be appreciated on them sometimes. The mag just fails to pull the rounds up for some reason every now and then. Also what does your extractor look like? Does it move freely?
run a can of wd40 through it
That sounds like it's going to make my problem worse from what I know about 10/22s, no? Don't they hate being run with a bunch of oil and gum up even worse? Also wood stocks hate being saturated with oil. I'm considering starting up the air compressor to blow out a good portion of it. Also my bolt hold open (VQ) is struggling, kek. I mean I COULD just take it apart every time but it's going to become a pain and I don't want to have to re-zero a hunting rifle a bunch.
brakleen would evaporate fast
Seems like Hoppe's no 9 gun bore cleaner dripped on the rod and worked back and forth did it. Now I just have to leave my gun open to let it evaporate. Maybe someone makes a rod that prevents all the fouling from gumming the spring and charging handle up so much, Idunno. Or I just need a little oil on it every now and then. Glad it can mostly be solved from the outside even if I need to do this a lot.
Stock 10 round rotary mag, dissasembled it and tightened the feeding mechanism more but the magazine still freezes at random and doesn't pop the bullet up
My extractor was stock, FTE kept happening even after I upgraded it to a volquartsen extractor with a new spring, the ejector is still stock but it doesn't look damaged or bent. I'm just chalking it to bad juju but it's putting me off of rugers in general since this was a brand new manufactured the same year when I bought it.
Ever try any other mag? I've never heard of a bad rotary mag but it isn't impossible. I have that weird "smashing the bullet into the feed ramp of the mag" problem with my BX-15s but I shoot filthy ammo and need to clean my mags more.
Yeah, ended up with more mags than I have use for. Also notice how differentthese two factory 10 round drum mags are. They're both original ruger magazines but I don't remember which came with my rifle.
The black follower mag may be an older one if you didn't buy it new. I don't think I've ever seen one personally. Or it's some weird version of the mag. Not to be a dick but are you sure one of them aren't somehow a .22 Magnum rotary mag? They ARE out there, despite real Ruger made 10/22 magnums being rare due to some design flaws leading to them being discontinued. Ruger must still make the magazines since I see so many available online; other companies make 10/22 magnums so maybe they just support it without the headache of making new rifles.
Also don't put pressure on the front edge of the BX-25s (pushing towards yourself) if you're doing that. It causes feeding issues; I hold my 10/22 like that since I shoot with BX-15s and I sometimes overdo it. Magwell is loose as fuck on 10/22s for some ungodly reason.
Yeah you're right, the magwell rattle is so annoying once you're aware of it. I let the mags dangle by themselves.
As for the rotaries being 22 magnum I doubt it, .22 bullets fit in there like they should. Other than playing cat and mouse replacing every component inside the receiver there isn't much I can do about it.
Considering a lever action .22 to replace this rifle though reloading the tube magazines look like a pain in the ass.
Out of curiosity, what ammo have you tried? My 10/22 really only likes 1150fps+ IIRC. When it gets filthy it just stops trying. When it gets cold or warm it affects my Aguila ammo. It would stovepipe or fail to eject with Federal bulk IIRC but that shit sucks and a lot of my .22s hate it lol. Maybe put a little oil on the guide rod? I mean I've heard they hate being run wet or with much oil due to fouling but I did just make mine run way smoother by using a little oil to get rid of the gunk on it.
Judging by your rotaries, your mags shouldn't be anywhere near dirty enough to start to malfunction any more than usual. I do know the older BX-25s used to have a slightly different design and not feed reliably but I find it hard to believe you'd somehow come across not only two of them but also a doubled BX-25 with the old internals. I had two BX-15s and neither had the old internals, and now I bought three more and while I didn't take them apart and check, I doubt any of those do either. Have you checked to make sure - and I know this sounds retarded - the screws holding the rail on aren't so long they scrape on the bolt? I have heard of it happening in guns like the 336 where the screw holes go completely through the receiver top. The 10/22 also has screw holes completely through the top and while no company SHOULD be making rails with screws too long, you never know. Also check the little mag front nub hole in the front of the magwell to make sure that's not somehow oversized. And if nothing else works, I'd take your red dot off (and aftermarket parts) and send it in to Ruger and let them try to sort it out. I can't say they'll for sure fix it but I've shot multiple 10/22s and while I had feeding issues, it hasn't been too bad. What kind of reliability are you getting? One FTE/stovepipe/FTF in how many mags?
I've tried off the top of my head: CCI mini-mags (CPHP, CPRN, LRN), CCI copper-22, aguila super extra, aguila colibri, federal bulk, remington golden bullet, winchester CPHP, winchester super-x (basically winchester mini-mags), and that pinoy nickel ammo.
I know for sure the screws don't reach all the way down since I have to brush out fouling gunk from the pockets there when I clean it.
I don't want to deal with ruger customer support honestly, sounds like a pain in the ass and I doubt they'll fix anything.
As for problems shooting. I'd say every 40-60 rounds I get a malfunction, I don't know where this stands compared to other 10/22s but it's pretty bad as far as semi-autos I've owned.
I haven't shot the brass .22's they sell, they must be made in different factories since the nickel stuff is pretty consistent in felt recoil.
i have that same model and it came with the red follower mag
Do you have any problems with yours?
nope, works for me. you might have just gotten a lemon
Damn
Clean your guide rod with Hoppe's no 9. Tried it and my gun got way smoother just using that alone not even taking it apart. May be some kind of fouling causing stoppages? The guide rod really seems to be a source of grittiness when it has barely any fouling on it. But to be honest 60rds to malfunction isn't too horrible IMO. I know that's not great but it's .22 and cheap ammo varies in a large enough margin and fouling is unpredictable. 40 is closer to bad. I think I usually get maybe 1 in 100? Hard to say. I use my 10/22 even when it's filthy though so stoppages are nothing big. I can think of a time within 3 months where I shot a groundhog and immediately had to clear a feeding issue. 15 or 25 rd mags make it easy to hold on to and the paddle makes it easy to remove them. Had it cleared in the time it took me to poke my head up to check if it needed a second shot, didn't even have to look.
there is no trick. clean your guns. wtf are you hunting where you are shooting it 500 times a season?
It's not only my hunting rifle but my range gun. Shooting suppressed makes it fucking filthy. I don't think you quite realize how bad it gets. I mean it got so bad it held itself open if you pulled the bolt back all the way and let go. Sluggish. Gritty. I shoot the shit out of my .22s at the range since the ammo is so cheap. Why would I shoot a different gun at the range vs when I go hunting? I spent what I can only describe as "quite a lot for a .22" to get it configured how I want it so I'm going to get my enjoyment out of shooting it even when I'm not hunting - especially because it lets me practice with the exact rifle I hunt with.
An hour or so after I posted that I realized I could use some Hoppes on the guide rod with the bolt locked back to break up whatever junk was in there without totally tearing it down. Yes I have to eventually fully clean it but I really don't want to always be taking it apart considering action and barrel band screw tension (as well as the silencer baffle order, how tight it's screwed on, etc) all affecting point of impact. When I get a range day I don't want to have to also clean and re-zero and shoot groups to re-verify. It's not like hunting raccoons or groundhogs, squirrels are so small even an inch of zero shift can fuck you over on chest shots, which is your biggest target.
you said that you didn't want to take it out of the stock to clean it because it was your hunting rifle and you didn't want to change your zero. if it's just your range gun just stop being lazy and clean the stupid thing after every trip. even if you have a poi shift when you put it back together it should only take a couple shots to rezero. get a torque driver if you are worried about the screws.
Also is your ejector fucked up?
That's crazy, the non-nickel version of that ammo is by far the least reliable stuff I've ever shot. Even my TX22 won't eat it! The powder difference from shot to shot is MASSIVE, it goes from supersonic out of a 5" barrel to so weak a spent case doesn't even clear the edge of the chamber.
Pretty useless. Boomers hoard it because they think they're going to need 50,000 rounds to survive off squirrel meat for the rest of their numbered days. You wouldn't even need that much, 1 round per day for 30 years is like 10k, but it would be FAR more efficient, lighter, and less noisey to trap small game so just learn trapping and invest in snare wire instead.
I only have a .22 because I wanted an MP5 but didn't really need a 9mm semiauto cucked version of a submachine gun. So I got it in .22 and it satisfied my itch to have an MP5 type thing to play with. There should be way more clones of cool guns in .22, still waiting on a P90.
Aguila smells funny, like piss
I own a 10/22 with an integral suppressor. It's like sex.
why has no one invented a cartridge that's the same case as 22lr but with a non-heeled bullet?
well there's 25ACP but the fact is .22lr is so ubiquitous it wouldn't be worthwhile. this hypothetical ammo would be more costly due to the separate primer, just like 25acp
I didn't say it would be centerfire. I'm talking about 22lr but with whatever caliber bullet matches the case id, like how they turned 38 short into 38 long.
the cool thing about .22s is that you can fit like 30 rounds in a regular double stack pistol mag
u wot
SOME double stack designs can reliably feed up to 16 rounds, never seen higher than that though. CP33 are quad stack but are definitely not "regular," or reliable
Neat!
>p-17 and tx22
These
have you had any chances to take your CP33 for a walk? I still love mine
nice M7 smg
I'm splitting time between CP33 and TX22 and treating both like crap (no cleaning) lol. I hate the way the CP33 grip and trigger feels, it makes me want to stop shooting it
I do recommend the mcarbo trigger shoe, but yeah the CP33 trigger is weird. The best way I can describe it is that it almost feels like it was designed as a full auto trigger first and then someone remembered they couldn't do that, but never redesigned the thing. Taking some of the reset out with the mcarbo trigger helps significantly, as well as removing a lot of the flex from the mystery polymer that kel-tec designs everything out of.
I'm tempted by a sig p322 as a first 22lr handgun (and first handgun) how is it ?
Does anyone know if a cz 457 lux barrel will fit on a 457 american stock?
Upgraded the old Stevens
What's the cheapest .22lr handgun/revolver that won't fall apart from just shooting? Anon on /k/ gave me the idea of carrying one with ratshot while I'm out shooting in the desert in case I run into snakes.
rough rider or slightly more expensive alternatives like the diamondback or wrangler
p-17 and tx22 but i've heard of some people having issues with those
I got a 6 shot 22lr revolver (that had one chamber welded shut) for $35 from a gun show one time.
Ruger makes a .22lr revolver (Wrangler) that is RIGHT NOW $150 on PSA's website. It is a good upgrade from the Rough Rider and it is just about (within $30-50) THE SAME PRICE. I've watched those Wranglers and that is a fucking amazing price. Do not get a Rough Rider when the Wrangler is the same price. I won't say the Rough Rider will fall apart but I've seen people wear them out online if their word can be trusted. Warranty is stupid good though IIRC. But Ruger's is decent as well.
Ruger even recently released the super wrangler, which is a wrangler with a wmr option
I keep looking at the bersa thunder since thats around 300$ and unlike the ppk/s it isn't made by umarex, that said I still have no clue about the reliability.
10/22 with bullpup kit or 10/22 with m1 carbine kit? Answer honestly, I have no 22 yet and im waiting on black friday deals for something at or under 300$
The m1 carbine stock is actually wood and not a shitty plastic clamshell.
I used to own a Bersa Tunder 380 CC and it was a piece of shit
As for the 10/22, I'd avoid shitty plastic clamshell kits and go with the M1 Carbine kit if you want some form of body kit. I've fingerfucked a few at gun shows and they seem cool and good quality.
Ive got a bersa thunder 380 and its been 100% reliable, think im up near 1000rds through her.
One exception to its reliability though has been when i changed its grips, if you screw the grips on to tight the screws will interfere with the mainspring, causing the hammer to only function as a double action if im membering correctly.
can anyone recommend a takedown rifle that doesn't cost $500?
It's even quieter than the Badger due to the extra barrel length. I shot a few rounds from my porch to test it and the cat didn't even raise an ear
What is that? Is that a rolling block action?
nta but my $1 is on a Stevens Favorite
Anon is correct
It exist
.22 is actually the deadliest round there is. If you shoot someone in the head the bullet will bounce around instead of going straight through.
man, this thread is really making me wanna buy a 22.
i always wanted a nice bolt action rifle in 22lr, but I dont have the money to spend on one just yet.
is there something I can buy used for around $400 on gunbroker that can take a silencer, and a scope? bolt or semi, as long as its a rifle. pref wood furniture.
If you forgo the wood furniture requirement, Ruger American Rimfires are perfectly cromulent rifles that take one of the most common 22lr mags in America (10/22). The rotary mags fit flush and the triggers are actually quite decent, I liked mine enough that I bought a Ruger Precision Rimfire and mostly shoot that when I'm in the mood for benchrest small hole making, though the RAR is a much better rifle for shooting offhand.
Please try not to mock me too much for a cantilever mount on a bolt action, I already had it around and am of israeli descent so I refuse to spend my shekels on rings.
Addendum to this, the Ruger bolts are not the finest machined things I've ever experienced. You'll probably have a better experience buying fairly used in this case as they smooth out significantly, but both of these came out of the box with visible machining marks on the bolt. Not enough to hinder functionality but enough that working the bolt was very gritty until I polished them.
Anybody have experience shooting .22 in mild wind?
I shot groups at 100 yards to test ammo accuracy today and some shots were going absolutely CRAZY, like as much as 2 feet high and low at some points, and as much as 8" left or right from zero. I thought it was just CCI Standard Velocity because that's what I started with but the trend continued across multiple loads. Federal Gold Medal seemed to be the only one that was behaving. Norma I just quit trying after 15 rounds disappeared off paper. Wind was mostly zero but looking at weather it was never over 5mph. I could barely feel my hair stir when it kicked up so I thought nothing of it. Can 5mph make that much difference on .22 at 100y? I feel like an inch or two I can accept from wind but FEET off?
Anyway thanks for reading my blog I got some okay groups but had to throw a lot out, sometimes they weren't on the same paper. I simply couldn't believe how far off some shots were, and I don't know if I can really trust any of these groups based on what was going on.
A lot depends on you as well. Open sights or scope, did you have a lead sled or just a sand bag? Consistent eye relief/ cheek to stock weld? Smooth pull or jerk the trigger? Was the wind at 90 degrees to the target or straight on? If scoped, are the rings tight? flinching? breath control?
Ammo types will vary and your gun will like one over the other after trying out several. I can get a 3ish inch groups at a hundred yards with CCI with my Marlin Mod-60 .22 Good luck.
None of that. I'm a good shooter, gun was on a locked bipod and bags, bipod legs tensioned against a ledge on the bench with my weight behind the gun, solidly braced, as close to zero body influence as possible, only trigger finger cheek and shoulder contact, all near as makes no difference perfect trigger pulls with perfect scope alignment, 16x scope with very thin reticle (SWFA SS 16x) all properly torqued. It definitely was not the gun's stability or me, but I can't absolutely rule out something wrong with the gun, bolt or barrel.
I appreciate the suggestions but those kinds of errors from a new shooter, which weren't present here, don't produce inches/feet of movement, they just turn a lazy 1" group into an undisciplined 3" group. They wouldn't be off paper if the gun was zeroed no matter how the gun is mishandled.
I did notice a trend with ammo, in that the Norma and two Geco loads, all three made by Ruag, exhibited this insane random drift worse than anything else. But CCI SV got close to drifting as much, being as much as a foot off at 100y, yet it put down some respectable groups. I just don't know.
I felt wind from every direction but mostly from my back, towards the target, and I withheld many shots even for what scant wind I felt so it's not like I was shooting heedless of wind. Sometimes I felt no wind and a shot would go right over top of the target stand and I'd just shake my head in confusion.
I zeroed my cz 457 at 25m in a ~30km/h wind because that was the only day I had time to. Took it grouse hunting last weekend and was wondering why I was missing 90% of my shots. When I went to zero it again on a calm day it was initially shooting about 1" to the left at 20m. I didnt think a moderate wind at 25m would have made that big of a difference.
I just got a ruger mkiv and I'm reluctant to put lead ammo through it, doesn't that foul up the barrel really fast? what kind should I use?
I never really found it to matter. But literally every company has a copper plated option so just buy that if it really worries you. That makes up 98% of what I shoot any more. The 2% is weird shit like CCI quiet and subsonic/silencer specific ammo.
I kinda enjoy .22s
and the pistols
wow im jealous, very cool collection
Comfy pic
You needed eight rifles to take down one coyote?
Those fuckers are fast and they're only .22s man, cut me some slack.
its boring. anyone who says it isn't is a liar and virtue signals as an older person.
Wrong.
If you are having problems with your 10/22 you need to break it all down and clean the shit out of it and lube it.
.22lr? What on earth would you need those for?
You can have a lot of different types of fun with it. Fucking around with a pistol and now worrying about recoil, building a Hollywood silent rifle, teaching your kids how to shoot, building little guns without worrying about blowing them up, etc.
>building little guns without worrying about blowing them up
I'm actually tempted to build a dedicated .22lr upper using CMMG parts (dedicated .22lr barrel). Never put any upper together myself. Will need tools but with a .22 I have a lot less concern I'll do something fucking retarded. And if I don't do something right, oh well, tear it down and do it again.
I love the CMMG kits. They're the king of caliber conversion kits imo. Their 9mm is particularly fantastic. I hear nothing but complaints about how hard it is to get all the parts for 9mm ARs and how finicky they are. I have CMMG's Radial Delayed Blowback kit in an otherwise milspec setup and I used their updated endomags inside some magpul m3 shells. It just fucking works. No magazine adapters. No last round hold open madness. No special lowers or uppers or hunting for parts that are no longer made.
I can buy a box of 800 for the same price as 50 rounds of 9MM. For that reason alone everyone should have one for training especially if you’re a poorfag.
Is this 1911 in 22lr any good?
No. They're usually very crappy, imagine someone converted a potmetal airsoft toy into a .22 and you get the picture. Buy a High Standard or a Smith and Wesson 41 if you want a .22 with a military pistol look.
>No. They're usually very crappy, imagine someone converted a potmetal airsoft toy into a .22 and you get the picture.
so it's like a p22?
Why not get the Browning 1911 in .22lr instead? Instead of a "scarce" model, you'll actually have parts availability.
underrated. it can kill pretty much everything well if you hit CNS. including humans. For unarmored targets at 25 m and in, and with a skilled shooter, there is little difference in terminal effect between .22 and 5.56 ball. Obviously the 5.56 passes through more but in terms of killing they are more similar than people think. The rim gives it an element of unreliability that isnt present on 5.56. For pistols suppressed, it's hard to beat. I only use cans on .22 pistols, and 9mm/45 pistols and carbines. oil filter adapters work great with .22
where do i find a 26 to 28 inch smoothbore barrel for .22
i want one because reasons
Nah, 18.5" is fine, because you will really appreciate the tremendous amount of soul that the henry garden gun has. (and even it i find to be rather long for the job of ratting)
>henry garden gun
Neat. Never heard of that until now despite having a golden boy 22.
What happens if you shoot regular 22lr through a smoothbore?
Works ok at really close range, keyholes and tumbles any further.
>What happens if you shoot regular 22lr
Size doesn't matter.
Another bump
Nice
Nice, digits on the serial number too. (assuming)
An aesthetic serial is honestly make or break for me on whether or not a firearm is worthy of keeping around.
I cheated, but i do have some repeating integers in the arsenal (also obscured of paranoia)
There's a glock 27 at my LGS that starts with FAG. I hate .40 and especially in a subcompact, but I may need to get it anyways.
last time i shot one it bounced around inside the squirrels head and then went into a poor bystander's head and then another and then another until it killed probably 50 people. most lethal bullet on the market.
It's killed more people than any non-military caliber. Good round.
Is it probably made by Umarex? Yeah.
Do I care? Nah. Only can feed it CCI and Hispanicier rounds though. It hates everything else. Did I get it for the James Bond factor? 100%
In short, it's a .22. I ain't saving my life with it. So I can have a dumb gun.
Like i mentioned before why not try the umarex next to the bersa thunder 22. They are 100$ difference or less and the bersa costs less. High velocity is reauired for both though.
imo good for small game hunting in places that a larger caliber would draw attention. a handgun with a scope in 22lr would be my choice. easy to conceal and discreet enough to take a few shots without alerting anybody nearby.
also 22lr semi auto rifles with large capacity mags would be good for shooting along side a larger caliber to save more expensive ammo while constantly shooting during an camping trip or something.