What's the word on oscillating turrets? Are they good, do they offer anything an orthodox turret doesn't?

What's the word on oscillating turrets? Are they good, do they offer anything an orthodox turret doesn't? And why did the french like them so much?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    French designers just like things that look weird asf
    simple as

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      True that

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        le baguette

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cheap and simple mechanically.
    Shit ergonomics.

    Most countries tested them in some point of the cold war but only France mass produce them in as popular tanks.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cheap in what way?
      Moving the the whole upper part of the turret instead of just the gun requires serious load bearing on the joint.
      I assume that it makes the autoloader installation easier?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Modern auto-loaders and even hand loaded guns aren't locked to the sights, but tend to go to a neutral loading angle so the man or machine can comfortably shove in the next round at a familiar angle and location. Only once this is done, does the gun return to point the way the sights are set. This requires a mechanism that can reliably and repeatedly first intentionally go way off and then reacquire its zero with the sights, without impacting accuracy.
        When the gun and the rear of the turret move in unison, the relative position of the breech and the ammunition remains static. Having a more solid hinge isn't much of a cost.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I assume that it makes the autoloader installation easier?
        it does to a degree. the revolver autoloader on those things were very simple, but one quirk of the oscillating turret is that the balance shifts as you shoot your ammo and makes stablizing the turret challenging

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but only France mass produce them in as popular tanks.
      Are you ignoring the Kürassier since it used the same turret as the AMX-13?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm takling about the turret that was adapted to several hulls. But yeah, the SK-105 was common too.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    With unmanned turret and crew in the hull probably being the norm from now on, i can see oscillating turret making a return

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >And why did the french like them so much?
    Because they simplify bustle autoloader design. Breech is always aligned with the feeding system.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    seems like you could have zero wasted space.

    You got a horizontal cylinder base from hull, then a vertical sided cylinder on that, then fill sides voids with shit.

    No open air needed for gun to go up and down inside turret. Gun crew rides on same plane as gun. If vertical gun cylinder is big enough to contain full recoil's ass-end, no reason why gun couldn't elevate (and depress a lot) to near 90 deg for howitzer or even AAA duty.

    sure it might not show an armored face if rolled back to 60 deg elevation, but that shouldn't be an issue in that situation.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    some good resplies here but one other major issue was sealing against Nuclear Biological Chemical (NBC)

    Your entire turret is essentially ope

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      no, its a sealed cylinder with vertical sides, ontop of a cylinder/cone with horizontal flats.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's not

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So don't put anyone in your turret. Problem solved.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    awesome for auto loaders

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think many people may find this picture useful

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I do, thanks Anon.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cool but War Thunder told me AMX-13 and its flavors have only -6 gun depression, which is worse than majority of other tanks (cept Soviet T's), having -8 to -10.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      High bore is a key thing for modern tank hull down doctrine I think the reason they did not catch on fully was they were all tried in the 60-70's so the tech was primative. you could now have a 2 person unmanned turret with autoloader and it would work if you started with a clean slate of design and not have boomers saying "Naah we tried that already kiddo"

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >American MIC Engineers: "OK, we have more money than God, what's the best thing that could possibly be built at a reasonable production rate?"
    >Russian MIC Engineers: "I am proud to report that we have now successfully embezzled 326% of the annual development budget. Just give the grunts some random 1960's vintage bullshit, those morons won't know the difference".
    >British MIC Engineers: "Wait, they cut our funding by HOW much? FML. Fine, frick it, let's just go get drunk".
    >German MIC Engineers: "What is ze most complex thing that could be built? Ze Bundeswehr is only going to buy like 4 of them so frick it, why not?".
    >French MIC Engineers: "WE SHALL BUILD LE MOST AUTISTIC AND IMPRACTICAL NONSENSE POSSIBLE! IT WILL PLEASE BOTH OUR EGO DEPRIVED GOVERNMENT AND MY AUTISM!!!!"

    That should answer the last bit of your question there OP.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I bet it sounded funny in your head

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Russian, German, or French?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          moron, or just unfunny?

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They will never be every adopted again because of one thing that trumps all other things by over 9000:
    CBRN protection.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      some good resplies here but one other major issue was sealing against Nuclear Biological Chemical (NBC)

      Your entire turret is essentially ope

      What if the oscillating turret is unmanned?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Striker MGS does this. Well, it's not loaded the same way, but it is an unmanned oscillating turret.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well they're apparently good enough to stick in the world's greatest tank

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, there were so many Shermans out there that at some point EVERYTHING was stuck on a Sherman and a Sherman was stuck on everything.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        After visiting morocco in the eighties every now and again I can find a small cluster of Shermans sprouting underneath my nuts. Uncomfortable as frick

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pierre, you should see a doctor for that, and please stop fricking the aborigines.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        And that's a good thing.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the uisraelites had any sense that would be the tank they'd be begging for

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      oof

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If the uisraelites had any sense they wouldn't be begging for tanks

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Back in the day, it was a good solution for a light vehicle that had to compromise on its turret ring diameter. The benefit is that you'd get a big gun on a small tank, and the autoloader is nice, too. The drawbacks are the machine's complexity, poor ergonomics, and poor NBC protection.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They look cool, but there's no way you're automatically stabilizing that gun.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      A balanced gun-turret is good enough for the 1950s.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They're fricking awesome.

      Stabilisation is entirely possible with ossilating turrets. In fact the Kurassier upgrades has it. I think the Indonesians have it now too.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Super Cuirassier had stabilized gun.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        it was only a prototype

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          But it can be done.

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