Foot wrappings are better than socks you moron. The lazy people of modern society trade the convenience of socks for the better quality of wrappings because they don't want to spend an extra 5 seconds putting the wrappings on
Technically he is not wrong.Technically. Partenkas fill out the boot better and lets your foot breathe. Then again that leads to some questions about the quality of the boots.
You have a valid point there. Never underestimate the level of grunt stupidity. One could think that even monkeys could perform simple tasks like putting on foot wraps, which are straight up better than socks. Turns out soldiers are too moronic.
But anon, how are you going to give soldiers extra pairs of socks if you don't even have any because your country is 100 years behind the civilized world and has no industry other than mining?
Theoretically no, but even Slavs aren’t so stupid to frick up how to wear socks. Socks are the cheapest piece of uniform you can make. It’s embarrassing
Damn that sounds inconvenient if only there were some sort of clothing that someone could put over their feet to keep em warm over wrapping them...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
I got a 5 pairs of gray NOS east german NVA socks in '96... I traded one pair for a green pair. Wanted to have one modern at least. The NVA ones aren't bad but you really need to stretch them after each machine wash or they will turn into ankle socks. Figured that out early on so I still have mine. Stashed aways somewhere.
So what? You think some russian general is selling used vatnik socks on the blackmarket?
Russian's have foot wraps for the same reason bongs spend weeks learning bayonet training; Autistic tradition. waste of time? Possibly, but neither are "useless".
So you don't think they're better. You think they're an 'autistic tradition'.
I think they use foot wraps for the same reason they use T-62's and don't have body armor or optics on their weapons. Because they're flat broke.
I think your 'autistic tradition' argument is simply cope.
The last time Brits fixed bayonets and stabbed people to death was the Falklands I believe.
Over 40 years ago. A war they won.
When was the last time your country won a war?
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Crimea 2014
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Better bring up the double rations of foot wrappings then my "Russian" friend, because I've a bad feeling about those ill gotten gains...
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The war isn't over skippy, don't go getting ahead of yourself now
Actually a detachment of argies were slaughtered by a para bayonet charge at goose green in the Falklands. If your gun jams what do you do if you can't use a bayonet? Point stick > no pointy stick
>So what? You think some russian general is selling used vatnik socks on the blackmarket?
See
>make a big deal about moving to socks years back >turns out they never moved to socks >all the funds for buying socks were stolen like everything else
you are right
also while we are on the subject - shitting in your own pants is better than pealing your butthole naked for the elements (wind, cold, fellow conscripts)
slipping a hot log down your leg will keep you warm and can actually save your life, because no enemy would want to get closer to a trench that smells like clogged latrine
Foot wraps are actually just fine. They work. Ask /outdoors if you don't believe me. Some enthusiast even prefer them over socks.So the wraps are not the problem.
The point is that you need to be trained in how to wrap them.
And at this point, russia does not do training. At all. Those boys have never used them, and haven't been trained how to get them on properly.
The main advantage of socks is that even the most thick-headed gopnik can get them on quickly. Foot-wraps actually take some time and skill to use.
Some officer probably stole and sold their socks at the marketplace and drank the monkey.
Use fricking wool socks like a normal person with some money and sense.
Producing socks, albeit easy for the untrained eye, requires:
>Stable supply chain >Up to standard textile process, I mean ISO compliant, QA compliant and QC compliant from sewing, color used, materials, blending, etc >Then you need to ensure that the factory is compliant with regulations, h&s etc >Then ensure packaging (again, compliant to standards, like waterproof etc), delivery (compliant to standard, again, meaning trucks should be waterproof too in order to not get moldy socks etc..)
All this stuff is not 'fakeable', if a factory explodes or Soldiers start getting sore feet because some color used in socks contains lead or asbestos or shit or whatever, people will notice.
It's just easier to buy crappy chinese socks and overpay for them, while embezzling ofc, and then issue 'glorious wrapping' to soldiers when socks run out.
That's it. Russia cannot produce things up to standards, not even Chinese standards, because they steal whatever is not bailed and destroy whatever is nailed.
you think the snow Black folk would be able to get some babushkas together to knit some fricking wool socks for their soon to be dead boys instead of sending them off with cloth scraps. >But they dry out better
Not better than wool >But they dry out better than socks when you take them off
When are these guys going to get the chance to take these off? They're going to be sleeping outside in a trench.
Maybe you can argue giving someone multiple pairs of wraps, but then guess what, that argument applies to socks as well. >bbbut they work better
They don't, and they especially don't work better when your soldiers are 20 year old zoomers who received zero training and don't know how to wrap up- and in fact as others point out, if they're put on incorrectly they're fricking worse because people will ignore injuries, writing them off as "oh it's ok I have wrap, it's just really cold"
They aren't using wraps because they're better or because "muh tradition," they're using wraps because they get to buy strips of scrap cloth and embezzle the rest of the money while technically still "adequately" supplying the conscripts.
Or they just don't fricking have factories for socks of all things like said.
>you think the snow Black folk would be able to get some babushkas together to knit some fricking wool socks
That would require a motivated volunteer workforce, which Russia doesn't have either
They are comparable and have some benefits. Major drawbacks include that you actually have to train people on how to use them and it takes effort to properly put them on.
It’s like velcro and shoe laces. If you grew up using only velcro, you will never understand why laces might be better.
Unironically an un-shillling, not-moronic version of this
Foot wrappings can be quite good indeed, and they are quite used to them. (Mind you, they have been using them in fricking Siberian winter for literally centuries).
Also, you have the implication of the moronness and shilling of the quoted post. Many a moron would schew socks, which work equally well, not because "wrappings also work well and are easier to improvise", which are valid reasons, but because, let me quote him, "lazy people of modern society" moronation, to make a point.
It is not just about improvisation, it’s also about the materials you can use, ease of cleaning them and them hardly ever wearing out. They are not better or worse than socks, it is just a different solution to the same problem.
Making them and putting them on should be something all the survivalists learn how to do, because it is a rather useful skill.
>something all the survivalists learn how to do, because it is a rather useful skill.
Checked. You aren't wrong. But at the same time if you are so low on gear you don't have socks or society has collapsed to the point there are no more socks, then things are really really fricked. I don't think foot wraps will save you.
Sometimes you will have to drop your stuff or have it taken away from you. If you are in bumfricknowhere and just lost your pack in a botched river crossing, you better know how to make and use foot wraps.
>Sometimes you will have to drop your stuff
I still have my socks and shoes >or have it taken away from you
If someone takes all my stuff including my footwear they’re leaving me naked and left for dead. There isn’t excess cloth around. Or it’s close to civilization and meant to embarrass me >If you are in bumfricknowhere and just lost your pack in a botched river crossing,
Then I wring out my socks. Again, where is all the extra clean cloth sitting around in bumfrick nowhere that I can use for foot wraps?
I just don’t see situations where I lose my footwear, I have no spares, I’m in an adverse environment, I have no help or way to reach help, I’m so far away from anything I can’t walk for a bit to a better place in wet boots and socks, AND there is also dry cloth for footwraps around. There are other skills I lack like identifying edible plants, starting fires with wet tinder without matches or lighters, impromptu shelters, and a whole list of other things that can be practiced first.
>"Foot wraps are actually better you lazy westoids!" >Russians have been looting socks for years, and ten years ago they made a huge deal about "we're issuing socks now like normal people"
lol
lmao even
If that were the case then NATO would also be doing it, but its not now is it. The Vatniks are only doing it because they're piss poor and all the socks have been stolen by the officers and are being sold at 10 times the price backt to the soldiers.
exactely, and i'd say that fighting with a bow is better than with a tank you moron lazy people of modern society only looking for convenience. >being a genius
>telling someone from a decade ago that russia will invade ukraine, get btfo, a ukraine drone will capture two russian soldiers having gay sex, a video of it will be release on the internet, and someone will use AI to turn it into picture of chocolate fudge brownies that look exactly like two russian soldiers having gay sex
You would be hospitalized and medicated for believing this yet here we are
glorious
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Hold up
Where this vid at
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All things considered, the man-made horrors beyond our comprehension have turned out quite amusing.
look buddy if the rest of the army was a complete fricking joke, we could look passed the footwraps as some kind of traditional but also useful thing they do still, but we can't do that now.. not anymore
Foot wraps are actually just fine. They work. Ask /outdoors if you don't believe me. Some enthusiast even prefer them over socks.So the wraps are not the problem.
The point is that you need to be trained in how to wrap them.
And at this point, russia does not do training. At all. Those boys have never used them, and haven't been trained how to get them on properly.
The main advantage of socks is that even the most thick-headed gopnik can get them on quickly. Foot-wraps actually take some time and skill to use.
Some officer probably stole and sold their socks at the marketplace and drank the monkey.
/out here, miss me with that bullshit.
The idea that something that has to be done perfectly and then stay perfect all day while being worn is “just as good” is ridiculous. Also wool socks will still keep you warm while soaked, I don’t see these doing that.
My father served in USSR army. He told me all about wraps and how fricking moronic they are. Don't need to ask you homosexual friends or a moron like you.
The best part is they stopped issuing footwraps back in 2013 because they were trying to modernize.
Private conscriptiovich is wearing decade old sheets of cloth because commander corruptilynivich sold off their supply of socks to fricking churkas
Honestly after the first round of PANIK I think the Kherson stuff ended up being a withdrawal, finally forcing the people there to realize that they don't have the men to hold the salient.
But I guess we'll see whether they actually stop and fight, and the equipment left behind. In any case Nova Khokova will be in regular arty range now so it still isn't good news for them.
Surprised the gays aren't pro-russian. Huh.
Most gays, like most normal people, don't like being around projecting homosexuals who are in denial about being in the closet.
There's a difference between someone who's gay and someone who is a complete homosexual.
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>Most gays, like most normal people, don't like being around projecting homosexuals who are in denial about being in the closet.
That checks out. I guess that's why all the drinking, eh?
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>There's a difference between someone who's gay and someone who is a complete homosexual.
it's not gay if you're russian. only dumbo west0ids can suck gay wiener. Real snow homies suck straight wiener only.
what's the tactical implication of your army not having socks during winter?
Foot wrappings are better than socks you moron. The lazy people of modern society trade the convenience of socks for the better quality of wrappings because they don't want to spend an extra 5 seconds putting the wrappings on
>Just like dudes in afghan throwing away issued boots and buying their own shit
Buying a superior pair of boots to replace an acceptable pair is not even close to the same thing. Why aren’t Russians buying their own socks? Oh yeah they are too poor
>make a big deal about moving to socks years back >turns out they never moved to socks >all the funds for buying socks were stolen like everything else
I'm hoping for a cold winter. I want to see Finnish sign posts and a death march back to Russia. I don't think this is out of the question from what I've seen of the Russian 'preparations'.
There are these inventions called tents and shelter and waterproof clothing. Even a fancy new one called fire. I realize this eludes the average vatnik
>Men decided to have a drink as we need to warm up.
Alcohol dilates the capillaries in the skin resulting in a warm feeling, but you're actually dumping body heat. While its not drastic enough to cause damage by itself, it IS a contributing factor if other mistakes are made.
If they're not getting food either way, at least prison is a roof over their heads.
There's also other thinks, like not dying, which many would consider a boon.
Socks don't really work with those jackboots, your heel pumps up and down and it'll work your sock to the bottom of your foot. Benefit is that the boots seal up better against the snow and mud because they don't have laces or any openings that can let moisture in if the goretex wears through.
>wectern soldiers >b***h about tough boots, blisters >Piss in their own boots to make them softer >Smell of piss all day >Socks don't dry, get athletes foot
>Russian's >Use footwraps >Comfy and warm >Easy and fast to wash and dry >No wet socks day after march
"No socks" this is not call of duty. Most prefer foot wraps. It's at the soldiers discretion what he puts on his feet. Chechens like to run with socks. Spetsnaz not so much, not even on domestic trainings. Socks does the exact same job as foot wraps, there's no operational advantage to it, it's highly unlikely to make a difference in getting the kill
I'm trying to write a list of shit you wouldn't fricking believe in 2021
I have this right now
>russian soldiers don't even get socks >russian soldiers got caught giving blowjobs to one another on drone cam >russian soldiers don't get tourniquets or any other basic first aid kit >russian soldiers have to take out loans to buy anything beyond a uniform, armor and gun, and the loans are paid by their family upon their death >russians lost a capital ship to a country with no navy
>russian army struggling with invading the 2nd most poor country in europe >NATO actually does shit >Germans unfrick their shit and start withdrawing from russian natgas >russians have such a shitty c&c capability that they need civilian cellphones in order to communicate with their superiors >russian army is nothing more than a mongol horde looting washing machines and other things from the towns they hold >russian army equipment is so shit that all that cool shit like ratnik, ak-12, t-14 and Su-57 are just meme weapons either existing in vanishingly small numbers or straight up dont work
>Russian soldiers dug trenches in the Red Forest and managed to kick up radiation that is about as active as it was when Pripyat's explosion happened and stayed there for WEEKS. >Couldn't even hold Snake Island, and then when they sent special forces there and the Ukrainians bombed said special forces they tried to spin it as their own Spetsnaz bombing the Ukrainians. >One of the pretenses of the Special Military Operation™ was to stop "Neo-Nazism" in Ukraine and Azov was the posterchild of that but they not only kept the vast majority of them as POWs, but they also released a majority of them to have a vacation for free in Turkey in exchange for one of Putin's friends effectively making their entire Nazism angle complete horseshit. >Had a press release come out from their state news two or three days after they started their attack saying that they took over Kyiv and Rasha so stronk, had Putin talk about how they answered the "Ukrainian Question" echoing Hitler, realized they didn't capture it, then backpedaled on the release entirely. >Said press release also outlined specifically how the Kremlin and Putin thought how this was all going to go down in pretty big detail. >Has Putin screaming about "muh nooks" and pretty much every single country calling Putin's bluffs over and over and over again. >Immediately lost a bunch of territory within hours of claiming they annexed them and said territories are now in limbo because legally at least two parts are not in Russian hands anymore and they have no way to spin it within their country.
>R*ssian soldiers get their wounds infected with botfly maggots and left untreated >R*ssian mobiks are kept in unsanitary conditions out in the cold without food and are all coming down with fever and worse >R*ssian ''''''volunteers'''''' haven't received pay in months
>EU industries will collapse and european will freeze this winter
There will certainly be a lot of frozen people in Europe, that is, if you class Ukraine as Europe and Russians as people.
>WE DONT NEED KYIV >WE DONT NEED OUR FLAGSHIP >WE DONT NEED LYMEN >WE DONT NEED SNAKE ISLAND >WE DONT NEED A ECONOMY >WE DONT NEED 1000 OTHER THINGS
YOU ARE NOW HERE >WE DONT NEED SOCKS >WE DONT NEED WINTER EQUIPMENT >WE DONT NEED TOURNIQUETS
Anon, we passed >WE DONT NEED SOCKS
in April. We've literally had this thread before, complete with vatniks explaining how footwraps are so much better than socks and 19th century boots are so much better than modern footwear.
We passed >WE DONT NEED TOURNIQUETS
almost a month ago.
Keep up.
I am trained as a civilan EMT and we were told to use them only for missing limbs (for maximum of 30 minutes) otherwise we should use compression bandages and/or apply pressure.
Yes. To be fair though the Russian/Soviet ones aren't the same as the esmarch bandages that you're thinking of. Flip side is they're still extremely outdated.
Wraps are traditional in the Russian military.
This is a division in culture more than anything else.
The said they were switching to socks a few years back, but probably had little interest in actually doing so given how effective wraps have been for Russia over the centuries.
>"How could things possibly get any more embarrassing for them?"
Ohhh, just you wait, my pet. They haven't gotten desperate enough to try to attack Odessa with the Admiral Kuznetzsov yet. The comedy train is still rollin' and the ride never ends.
I'm not too surprised by this considering the level of corruption displayed in the russian army. I personally wear foot wraps frequently for fun and to have the skill, they are pretty comfy when wrapped right. The biggest downside to footwraps is the fact that they have a learning curve and it takes some time to get gud at doing it and finding out where your feet likes the fabric to be placed, also if your boots are really wide they will loosen up and need rewrapping if not under a pair of socks. People who are saying that footwraps are a good way to get frostbite clearly have never worn them they are fairly warm about on par with thick cotton socks. They also do dry out faster than socks I've tested this on hikes and from just wearing them around the house under my normal socks, by the time the are completely dry the socks will still be damp.
Socks are superior because convenience and ease of use as most people can put on a pair of socks therefore making them more ideal in a military context since they are idiot proof and don't require skill to use.
I do it as a way to help keep them bound when not wearing shoes and use the foot wraps as a warm extra layer during the winter, the way they are wrapped means you get the equivalent to two layers of socks. The types of boots their typically used in have wide toes for the simple reason being if it gets' cold you can either stuff the boot it newspaper or hay to add extra insulation or alternatively wear more socks/ footwraps.
>If you need to put socks on over the top of footwraps then why not just use socks? Or two pairs if it’s that cold?
I still want to know the reasoning
in the Wehrmacht they'd wear the socks under the foot wraps to help preserve them since footwraps are durable, this is because making good socks enmass is actually pretty industrially intensive and Germany wasn't known for its textile mills.
Neat. There are still some problems that need to be overcome to make nice elastic socks primarily the supply of nylon, which was invented 1938 mind you and was basically exclusive to the allies, needed to make socks that are elastic enough to fit a soldier's foot without needing to be sized with 100% accuracy. Before the invention of elastic nylon/cotton socks they had to be fitted using the weaves natural ability to expand meaning socks had to be sized properly, like underwear or other clothing. This means you have to dedicate more of a textile mills floor to making several sizes of socks to properly fit the troops feet, even still if they are washed improperly they will stretch necessitating the use of sock garters to hold them up since they aren't elastic. Which means more resources taken away from production of cloth for uniforms, parachutes, winter gear, ect.
Footwraps in this context make sense since you don't need multiple lines making socks to produce them, you can just make a roll of flat fabric and cut them out, and foot wraps are a one size fits all solution. People with larger feet can angle them or modify the wrapping technique to fit in wraps that are smaller, this also streamlines logistics and production by not needing to distribute or produce several sizes of socks.
In a modern nation though you should have the ability to produce nylon and should be able to mass produce elastic socks though, and woe to any nation that cannot because it means their industry has regressed significantly.
russian origami
Ukraine is so launching a Winter Offensive.
Foot wrappings are better than socks you moron. The lazy people of modern society trade the convenience of socks for the better quality of wrappings because they don't want to spend an extra 5 seconds putting the wrappings on
AHAHHAAHABAHAH FRICKING ONUCE
O KURWA LMAO
Technically he is not wrong.Technically. Partenkas fill out the boot better and lets your foot breathe. Then again that leads to some questions about the quality of the boots.
Every year I see news stories of how Russian soldiers lose their feet from frostbite because they don't wrap their feet properly.
That's not the foot wrappings' fault now is it?
In first world countries, if soldiers lose their feet because of equipment, it's a problem. In Mother Russia, it's no big deal.
Being rather presumptuous aren't you? That soldier could just personally prefer wrappings instead of socks
They're soldiers. They're supposed to lose their feet, you globohomosexual israeliteloving neo/classic-nazi
>inferior equipment causes soldiers to get injured due to not being idiot-proof
>not the equipments' fault
There's a reason why militaries generally try to make all equipment idiot proof.
Advantages of foot-wrap
-easy maintenance, holes dont matter
-dry faster
-when used optimally, better than socks
Disadvantages:
-misuse of them causes people to lose their feet to frostbite and other injuries related to improper feet wrap use
Advantages of socks:
-Even an idiot can use them
Disadvantages:
-slightly higher maintenance
-dry slower
Disadvantages can be solved by just giving people a few extra pairs of socks.
So, overall socks are better.
You have a valid point there. Never underestimate the level of grunt stupidity. One could think that even monkeys could perform simple tasks like putting on foot wraps, which are straight up better than socks. Turns out soldiers are too moronic.
Indeed. and socks vs foot wraps is far from the only example of this idiot-proofing of equipment
>dry slower
Like you said this is mitigated by an extra pair of socks. Or they could just use wool and it would mostly be fine even when wet
But anon, how are you going to give soldiers extra pairs of socks if you don't even have any because your country is 100 years behind the civilized world and has no industry other than mining?
Theoretically no, but even Slavs aren’t so stupid to frick up how to wear socks. Socks are the cheapest piece of uniform you can make. It’s embarrassing
Damn that sounds inconvenient if only there were some sort of clothing that someone could put over their feet to keep em warm over wrapping them...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
There's a manual of proper use? Out of curiosity.
You're suppose to learn it in boot camp. But you always get idiots that can't do anything properly.
I love frostbite
looks uncomfy as frick, no thanks. i will continue using thick wool socks when wearing boots
>Virgin Wool
Very nice, very soft, and probably still has the natural oils that help repel water.
I got a 5 pairs of gray NOS east german NVA socks in '96... I traded one pair for a green pair. Wanted to have one modern at least. The NVA ones aren't bad but you really need to stretch them after each machine wash or they will turn into ankle socks. Figured that out early on so I still have mine. Stashed aways somewhere.
Thanks, asked because my uncle used those.
Have they not learned about wool yet?
Holly cope
Oh is that why snow nigeria made a big deal of phasing them out a few years ago?
And that's the reason Russia does it?
Because it's the better option?
So what? You think some russian general is selling used vatnik socks on the blackmarket?
Russian's have foot wraps for the same reason bongs spend weeks learning bayonet training; Autistic tradition. waste of time? Possibly, but neither are "useless".
So you don't think they're better. You think they're an 'autistic tradition'.
I think they use foot wraps for the same reason they use T-62's and don't have body armor or optics on their weapons. Because they're flat broke.
I think your 'autistic tradition' argument is simply cope.
Yea I think Brits still train bayonets because they don't understand how guns work lol
The last time Brits fixed bayonets and stabbed people to death was the Falklands I believe.
Over 40 years ago. A war they won.
When was the last time your country won a war?
Crimea 2014
Better bring up the double rations of foot wrappings then my "Russian" friend, because I've a bad feeling about those ill gotten gains...
The war isn't over skippy, don't go getting ahead of yourself now
There was also a bayonet charge in Afghanistan.
>because they don't understand how guns work lol
I was going to argue with you then I remembered the L85. Carry on
Actually a detachment of argies were slaughtered by a para bayonet charge at goose green in the Falklands. If your gun jams what do you do if you can't use a bayonet? Point stick > no pointy stick
>So what? You think some russian general is selling used vatnik socks on the blackmarket?
See
Are trying to be wrong on purpose?
this, foot wrappings should be a known skill for everyone, just like proper shemagh use
>shemagh
Are foot wraps better for keeping the sand out?
Yeah whatever.
Nikita called, she wants me to keep her warm, lubricated and stretched up while you're out reenacting the great popsicle war.
Nikita is a male name anon
Russian "males" give explosive head though
Shhhh let him enjoy his time with "Nikita"
Hohol piggies love a fat LGBT westerner
Exactly.
Surprised the gays aren't pro-russian. Huh.
Too much aids.
Didn't even get to cum.
War is hell.
You heard him
>問題ない
問題ない
>問題ない
Nikita is feminine in it's original greek form, sorry Russia
did I stutter?
I have an erection help
ask a Russian conscript, they're great at helping men with erections
>I have an erection help
You're gonna....have to deal with that youself, sunshine.
>she
if foot wraps are so good, then why do israelites use socks?
What first world militaries use feet wraps?
if foot wraps are so great, why are you wearing socks right now?
I'm actually barefoot now. Checkmate, westoid.
Get dressed Anon
you are right
also while we are on the subject - shitting in your own pants is better than pealing your butthole naked for the elements (wind, cold, fellow conscripts)
slipping a hot log down your leg will keep you warm and can actually save your life, because no enemy would want to get closer to a trench that smells like clogged latrine
Use fricking wool socks like a normal person with some money and sense.
I got a pair of handknit woolen socks as a Christmas gift from a pensioner's society during service
best damn pair of woolen socks I got
you got baited into posting feet pics. Congratulations, globohomosexual gay troony!
Putin played you! HAHA
HOLY COPE
Decadent Westoids don't realise this is why they will always lose
thirdie cope
Producing socks, albeit easy for the untrained eye, requires:
>Stable supply chain
>Up to standard textile process, I mean ISO compliant, QA compliant and QC compliant from sewing, color used, materials, blending, etc
>Then you need to ensure that the factory is compliant with regulations, h&s etc
>Then ensure packaging (again, compliant to standards, like waterproof etc), delivery (compliant to standard, again, meaning trucks should be waterproof too in order to not get moldy socks etc..)
All this stuff is not 'fakeable', if a factory explodes or Soldiers start getting sore feet because some color used in socks contains lead or asbestos or shit or whatever, people will notice.
It's just easier to buy crappy chinese socks and overpay for them, while embezzling ofc, and then issue 'glorious wrapping' to soldiers when socks run out.
That's it. Russia cannot produce things up to standards, not even Chinese standards, because they steal whatever is not bailed and destroy whatever is nailed.
you think the snow Black folk would be able to get some babushkas together to knit some fricking wool socks for their soon to be dead boys instead of sending them off with cloth scraps.
>But they dry out better
Not better than wool
>But they dry out better than socks when you take them off
When are these guys going to get the chance to take these off? They're going to be sleeping outside in a trench.
Maybe you can argue giving someone multiple pairs of wraps, but then guess what, that argument applies to socks as well.
>bbbut they work better
They don't, and they especially don't work better when your soldiers are 20 year old zoomers who received zero training and don't know how to wrap up- and in fact as others point out, if they're put on incorrectly they're fricking worse because people will ignore injuries, writing them off as "oh it's ok I have wrap, it's just really cold"
They aren't using wraps because they're better or because "muh tradition," they're using wraps because they get to buy strips of scrap cloth and embezzle the rest of the money while technically still "adequately" supplying the conscripts.
Or they just don't fricking have factories for socks of all things like said.
>you think the snow Black folk would be able to get some babushkas together to knit some fricking wool socks
That would require a motivated volunteer workforce, which Russia doesn't have either
So why Russian using pads and tampons for wounds?
Please explain
because all the wound gauze is being used as feet wraps
>"So why Russian using pads and tampons for wounds?"
If your army is entirely made up of weeping pussies why wouldn't you use an assload of tampons?
dude no way
They are comparable and have some benefits. Major drawbacks include that you actually have to train people on how to use them and it takes effort to properly put them on.
It’s like velcro and shoe laces. If you grew up using only velcro, you will never understand why laces might be better.
Unironically an un-shillling, not-moronic version of this
Foot wrappings can be quite good indeed, and they are quite used to them. (Mind you, they have been using them in fricking Siberian winter for literally centuries).
Also, you have the implication of the moronness and shilling of the quoted post. Many a moron would schew socks, which work equally well, not because "wrappings also work well and are easier to improvise", which are valid reasons, but because, let me quote him, "lazy people of modern society" moronation, to make a point.
It is not just about improvisation, it’s also about the materials you can use, ease of cleaning them and them hardly ever wearing out. They are not better or worse than socks, it is just a different solution to the same problem.
Making them and putting them on should be something all the survivalists learn how to do, because it is a rather useful skill.
>They are not better or worse than socks
For the end user maybe not, but in the big picture and in the eyes of logistical planning, they are worse.
>something all the survivalists learn how to do, because it is a rather useful skill.
Checked. You aren't wrong. But at the same time if you are so low on gear you don't have socks or society has collapsed to the point there are no more socks, then things are really really fricked. I don't think foot wraps will save you.
Sometimes you will have to drop your stuff or have it taken away from you. If you are in bumfricknowhere and just lost your pack in a botched river crossing, you better know how to make and use foot wraps.
I can and have wrung out the socks I was wearing. Not hard. No one in civilization carries or bothers with foot wraps.
>Sometimes you will have to drop your stuff
I still have my socks and shoes
>or have it taken away from you
If someone takes all my stuff including my footwear they’re leaving me naked and left for dead. There isn’t excess cloth around. Or it’s close to civilization and meant to embarrass me
>If you are in bumfricknowhere and just lost your pack in a botched river crossing,
Then I wring out my socks. Again, where is all the extra clean cloth sitting around in bumfrick nowhere that I can use for foot wraps?
I just don’t see situations where I lose my footwear, I have no spares, I’m in an adverse environment, I have no help or way to reach help, I’m so far away from anything I can’t walk for a bit to a better place in wet boots and socks, AND there is also dry cloth for footwraps around. There are other skills I lack like identifying edible plants, starting fires with wet tinder without matches or lighters, impromptu shelters, and a whole list of other things that can be practiced first.
wrong
Foot wraps are sexy and make my benis tingle
Russian cope is hilarious
>"Foot wraps are actually better you lazy westoids!"
>Russians have been looting socks for years, and ten years ago they made a huge deal about "we're issuing socks now like normal people"
lol
lmao even
If that were the case then NATO would also be doing it, but its not now is it. The Vatniks are only doing it because they're piss poor and all the socks have been stolen by the officers and are being sold at 10 times the price backt to the soldiers.
Confirmed for being both moronic sour grapes caveman and to have never worn good socks.
Yeah, you always see all those world class mountaineers at the base of Everest wrapping their feet in frickin second hand pillowcases, right?
You're right, but you left out one detail.
That for footwraps to work, you need to know how to wrap them properly, and your feet must get used to them.
And Putlerite mobiks have neither of those things. It's blisterland for their feet.
exactely, and i'd say that fighting with a bow is better than with a tank you moron lazy people of modern society only looking for convenience.
>being a genius
Wraps actually are quicker to dry out
your ugly face dries out veganas even faster
Oof, good one
stop posting brownies for fricks sake im hungry
Saw the thumbnail of this image and thought it was "mortar on Russian getting a blowjob in a bombed out building".
Someone ran the grenade blowjob through AI and it made a similar pid:
>telling someone from a decade ago that russia will invade ukraine, get btfo, a ukraine drone will capture two russian soldiers having gay sex, a video of it will be release on the internet, and someone will use AI to turn it into picture of chocolate fudge brownies that look exactly like two russian soldiers having gay sex
You would be hospitalized and medicated for believing this yet here we are
glorious
Hold up
Where this vid at
All things considered, the man-made horrors beyond our comprehension have turned out quite amusing.
literally anyone can do it now
https://rentry.org/voldy#-guide-
damn bro
Hey! No nuclear weapons!
Jesus anon
damn
GOTTEM
this isnt the gottem you think it is lmao wtf are up with these pro ukraine bots kek
stop slurping serb
hehehe
look buddy if the rest of the army was a complete fricking joke, we could look passed the footwraps as some kind of traditional but also useful thing they do still, but we can't do that now.. not anymore
I don't need to airdry my clothing because every American home has a dryer in it.
So more material dries quicker than less material?
Why waste money on socks if the soldiers are going to die anyway?
Foot wraps are actually just fine. They work. Ask /outdoors if you don't believe me. Some enthusiast even prefer them over socks.So the wraps are not the problem.
The point is that you need to be trained in how to wrap them.
And at this point, russia does not do training. At all. Those boys have never used them, and haven't been trained how to get them on properly.
The main advantage of socks is that even the most thick-headed gopnik can get them on quickly. Foot-wraps actually take some time and skill to use.
Some officer probably stole and sold their socks at the marketplace and drank the monkey.
>drank the monkey
blyat..wait this putin hears about this
/out here, miss me with that bullshit.
The idea that something that has to be done perfectly and then stay perfect all day while being worn is “just as good” is ridiculous. Also wool socks will still keep you warm while soaked, I don’t see these doing that.
My father served in USSR army. He told me all about wraps and how fricking moronic they are. Don't need to ask you homosexual friends or a moron like you.
The best part is they stopped issuing footwraps back in 2013 because they were trying to modernize.
Private conscriptiovich is wearing decade old sheets of cloth because commander corruptilynivich sold off their supply of socks to fricking churkas
Or ya know maybe it's an old vet using his own wraps because boomers trust what works
Just like dudes in afghan throwing away issued boots and buying their own shit
Keep rationalizing. 2 more weeks.
t.sock brainlet
>maybe it's an old vet using his own wraps because boomers trust what works
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1577583667144187906
kek
I wonder how many gonna last until get blisters on that shit
If you think about it, the Kherson route is a modern military miracle. How the frick could the vatniks run away so fast considering their feetware?
Honestly after the first round of PANIK I think the Kherson stuff ended up being a withdrawal, finally forcing the people there to realize that they don't have the men to hold the salient.
But I guess we'll see whether they actually stop and fight, and the equipment left behind. In any case Nova Khokova will be in regular arty range now so it still isn't good news for them.
Most gays, like most normal people, don't like being around projecting homosexuals who are in denial about being in the closet.
There's a difference between someone who's gay and someone who is a complete homosexual.
>Most gays, like most normal people, don't like being around projecting homosexuals who are in denial about being in the closet.
That checks out. I guess that's why all the drinking, eh?
>There's a difference between someone who's gay and someone who is a complete homosexual.
it's not gay if you're russian. only dumbo west0ids can suck gay wiener. Real snow homies suck straight wiener only.
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Sure it is Ivan
>2022-10-05 17.40.47.jpg
Jesus fricking Christ.
It sure triggered vatniks hard
Fricking hell I spit everything up I was drinking opening that image. Great job, anon.
are those a fricking rubber boots?
Goretex is a western psy-op
Rubber boots are a must for a soldier.
Almost, these are old soviet half leather, half rubber boots
That is not rubber. It's latex impregnated cotton fabric.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirza
How do you get your boots pregnant?
they are sending people to die in these? In (almost) winter?
ngl, that profile looks slippery as frick
Hey now muck boots are kick ass. In some situations. War is not one of them
Honestly it’s sad their grandfathers fought with foot wraps. Socks are a really really old technology.
Sir that's a pillowcase
The dude in the video is swearing that he doesn't understand how these moronic things work and that it's the fricking 21st century.
>maybe it's an old vet
He doesn't speak Russian and hasn't heard the original
>Just like dudes in afghan throwing away issued boots and buying their own shit
Buying a superior pair of boots to replace an acceptable pair is not even close to the same thing. Why aren’t Russians buying their own socks? Oh yeah they are too poor
Holy shit did they run out of fricking SOCKS? Cause portyanki were done away with a while ago lmao.
Ok, so super sekret weapons west is using:
- pallets
- socks
>make a big deal about moving to socks years back
>turns out they never moved to socks
>all the funds for buying socks were stolen like everything else
It's going to be a cold winter.
imagine if some of them are forgotten there and form post-apocalyptic raider tribes
This would be bad if winter wasn't coming.
It's cold now. Imagine how bad it'll be in a few months.
I'm hoping for a cold winter. I want to see Finnish sign posts and a death march back to Russia. I don't think this is out of the question from what I've seen of the Russian 'preparations'.
>It's cold now.
That’s not really that cold. Moscow doesn’t get colder than Iowa. A lot of the US gets colder than Moscow
It's not that cold until you're out there 24/7 and wet as frick.
There are these inventions called tents and shelter and waterproof clothing. Even a fancy new one called fire. I realize this eludes the average vatnik
>Men decided to have a drink as we need to warm up.
Alcohol dilates the capillaries in the skin resulting in a warm feeling, but you're actually dumping body heat. While its not drastic enough to cause damage by itself, it IS a contributing factor if other mistakes are made.
im guessing its gonna be real easy to find russian positions with demoralized units starting fires to keep warm and shit
And nobody decides to just go home? Fricking pigdogs man, the most cucked nation on this accursed Earth.
They'd go to prison for desertion.
Better to sleep outside in autumn, then sleep outside in hostile territory in winter and die from random drone grenade.
If they're not getting food either way, at least prison is a roof over their heads.
There's also other thinks, like not dying, which many would consider a boon.
10 years in prison is worse than dying to some.
Russian prisons are terrible.
damn, id rather live outside by a camp fire like a hobo before some ukie shoots me because i dont have ammo. blyat.
Anyone that would have even spoken up about it was killed in the last purge.
>the guys on the other side live like this for a week
Russian conscripts are gonna die from lack of basic supplies before their training even begins
>Foam mats.
>Flat foam mats.
The ground is going to leach the warmth strait out of their bodies in December.
Socks don't really work with those jackboots, your heel pumps up and down and it'll work your sock to the bottom of your foot. Benefit is that the boots seal up better against the snow and mud because they don't have laces or any openings that can let moisture in if the goretex wears through.
>Metal cope cage is actually better than decadent western reactive armor. It allows you to dry foot wraps like clothes hanger.
If your boots aren’t made to work with socks you need new boots. You’re millennia behind in technology
>wectern soldiers
>b***h about tough boots, blisters
>Piss in their own boots to make them softer
>Smell of piss all day
>Socks don't dry, get athletes foot
>Russian's
>Use footwraps
>Comfy and warm
>Easy and fast to wash and dry
>No wet socks day after march
Problems weren't
t.knower
>Socks don't dry, get athletes foot
So the US MIC just gives everyone 3 extra pairs of socks, so you always have dry socks.
>three pair
how wasteful, this is reason why america will lose war
Anyone know the name of that beat up, drunk Russian cartoon character?
Boris Yeltsin
Boom!
You are on form anon!
>pirate.gif
HIS NAME IS LONG JOHN SILVER, CAPTAIN OF THE HISPANIOLA.
>name of that beat up, drunk Russian cartoon character?
anon, could you be less specific?
> that one grain of sand, did you see it?
That little gray brick dude with the black eye.
That is Vatnik.
Thank you.
This little guy in pic related is a vatnik
is there uh rule 34 of rule 63 of that
asking for a friend
Your friend is a disgusting pervert
at least im asking for rule 63 of that, that russian soldier getting a gay blowjob certainly wouldn't
I mean my friend is asking for rule 63 of that
Best I can do
There is.
No I won't post it.
he makes me sad honestly
>even for what urinated in our elevators!
holy kek
Hes a coat called a vatnik
Its like a surplus ww2 coat that they gave away and russia Black folk would keep wearing all patched up cause glory days
He'a called Vatnik named after the ugly ww2 cotton coat he's supposed to represent
I think they look rather comfy, but I've never worn one.
SOCK sounds like wiener. Only troony globohomosexual would want that.
"No socks" this is not call of duty. Most prefer foot wraps. It's at the soldiers discretion what he puts on his feet. Chechens like to run with socks. Spetsnaz not so much, not even on domestic trainings. Socks does the exact same job as foot wraps, there's no operational advantage to it, it's highly unlikely to make a difference in getting the kill
good pasta, I r8 8/8
Russian men don't need socks, they're already used to dying in the cold.
the only way foot wraps are effective is if they're made entirely out of chemical warming pads.
>we don't NEED the socks
I'm trying to write a list of shit you wouldn't fricking believe in 2021
I have this right now
>russian soldiers don't even get socks
>russian soldiers got caught giving blowjobs to one another on drone cam
>russian soldiers don't get tourniquets or any other basic first aid kit
>russian soldiers have to take out loans to buy anything beyond a uniform, armor and gun, and the loans are paid by their family upon their death
>russians lost a capital ship to a country with no navy
what else do I add
>VDV getting btfo on their first encounter with actual combatants
i believe they got BTFO by TDF units, some of whom were trained by US nasty girls
so what would actual national guard units do to spetnaz then
>russian army struggling with invading the 2nd most poor country in europe
>NATO actually does shit
>Germans unfrick their shit and start withdrawing from russian natgas
>russians have such a shitty c&c capability that they need civilian cellphones in order to communicate with their superiors
>russian army is nothing more than a mongol horde looting washing machines and other things from the towns they hold
>russian army equipment is so shit that all that cool shit like ratnik, ak-12, t-14 and Su-57 are just meme weapons either existing in vanishingly small numbers or straight up dont work
>Russian soldiers dug trenches in the Red Forest and managed to kick up radiation that is about as active as it was when Pripyat's explosion happened and stayed there for WEEKS.
>Couldn't even hold Snake Island, and then when they sent special forces there and the Ukrainians bombed said special forces they tried to spin it as their own Spetsnaz bombing the Ukrainians.
>One of the pretenses of the Special Military Operation™ was to stop "Neo-Nazism" in Ukraine and Azov was the posterchild of that but they not only kept the vast majority of them as POWs, but they also released a majority of them to have a vacation for free in Turkey in exchange for one of Putin's friends effectively making their entire Nazism angle complete horseshit.
>Had a press release come out from their state news two or three days after they started their attack saying that they took over Kyiv and Rasha so stronk, had Putin talk about how they answered the "Ukrainian Question" echoing Hitler, realized they didn't capture it, then backpedaled on the release entirely.
>Said press release also outlined specifically how the Kremlin and Putin thought how this was all going to go down in pretty big detail.
>Has Putin screaming about "muh nooks" and pretty much every single country calling Putin's bluffs over and over and over again.
>Immediately lost a bunch of territory within hours of claiming they annexed them and said territories are now in limbo because legally at least two parts are not in Russian hands anymore and they have no way to spin it within their country.
>R*ssian soldiers get their wounds infected with botfly maggots and left untreated
>R*ssian mobiks are kept in unsanitary conditions out in the cold without food and are all coming down with fever and worse
>R*ssian ''''''volunteers'''''' haven't received pay in months
OPEC+ have agreed to cut oil production. EU industries will collapse and european will freeze this winter
>EU industries will collapse and european will freeze this winter
There will certainly be a lot of frozen people in Europe, that is, if you class Ukraine as Europe and Russians as people.
You know I think that even a 1942 Germany could beat this current Russian army.
>1942 Germany
1945 Germany, anon. This Russian Army is in way worse shape than the Army defending Berlin on 4/28/45.
Fking Chinese ally, probably #1 socks producer in the world.
Sends no socks.
>WE DONT NEED KYIV
>WE DONT NEED OUR FLAGSHIP
>WE DONT NEED LYMEN
>WE DONT NEED SNAKE ISLAND
>WE DONT NEED A ECONOMY
>WE DONT NEED 1000 OTHER THINGS
YOU ARE NOW HERE
>WE DONT NEED SOCKS
>WE DONT NEED WINTER EQUIPMENT
>WE DONT NEED TOURNIQUETS
no we just passed we dont need socks
I doubt they even have the needed twisters for the tourniquets, penicillin is probably right out
Anon, we passed
>WE DONT NEED SOCKS
in April. We've literally had this thread before, complete with vatniks explaining how footwraps are so much better than socks and 19th century boots are so much better than modern footwear.
We passed
>WE DONT NEED TOURNIQUETS
almost a month ago.
Keep up.
>>WE DONT NEED TOURNIQUETS
they never had them lol, google russian ifak
Despite the fact that esmarch tourniquet is mostly used as a buttstock tape, it is in fact a tourniquet.
Are Esmarch tourniquets commonly used in combat ?
I am trained as a civilan EMT and we were told to use them only for missing limbs (for maximum of 30 minutes) otherwise we should use compression bandages and/or apply pressure.
Yes. To be fair though the Russian/Soviet ones aren't the same as the esmarch bandages that you're thinking of. Flip side is they're still extremely outdated.
Wraps are traditional in the Russian military.
This is a division in culture more than anything else.
The said they were switching to socks a few years back, but probably had little interest in actually doing so given how effective wraps have been for Russia over the centuries.
please, italy's defensive forces present more of a "second army of the world" in comparison, whatever that actually means
How could things possibly get any more embarrassing for them?
>"How could things possibly get any more embarrassing for them?"
Ohhh, just you wait, my pet. They haven't gotten desperate enough to try to attack Odessa with the Admiral Kuznetzsov yet. The comedy train is still rollin' and the ride never ends.
How long until they try to by back surplus Mosins because they need guns?
O KURWA RUSKA ONUCA XDDD
Haven't they always used wraps because it's easy and cheap?
Footwraps for boots is an age old tradition and is proven to be better than socks
(You)
I'm not too surprised by this considering the level of corruption displayed in the russian army. I personally wear foot wraps frequently for fun and to have the skill, they are pretty comfy when wrapped right. The biggest downside to footwraps is the fact that they have a learning curve and it takes some time to get gud at doing it and finding out where your feet likes the fabric to be placed, also if your boots are really wide they will loosen up and need rewrapping if not under a pair of socks. People who are saying that footwraps are a good way to get frostbite clearly have never worn them they are fairly warm about on par with thick cotton socks. They also do dry out faster than socks I've tested this on hikes and from just wearing them around the house under my normal socks, by the time the are completely dry the socks will still be damp.
Socks are superior because convenience and ease of use as most people can put on a pair of socks therefore making them more ideal in a military context since they are idiot proof and don't require skill to use.
If you need to put socks on over the top of footwraps then why not just use socks? Or two pairs if it’s that cold?
It’s nice to hear firsthand from someone who has used them. But it seems like a novelty and for fun rather than better in any measurable way
Wehrmacht also used footwraps + socks combination
>If you need to put socks on over the top of footwraps then why not just use socks? Or two pairs if it’s that cold?
I still want to know the reasoning
I do it as a way to help keep them bound when not wearing shoes and use the foot wraps as a warm extra layer during the winter, the way they are wrapped means you get the equivalent to two layers of socks. The types of boots their typically used in have wide toes for the simple reason being if it gets' cold you can either stuff the boot it newspaper or hay to add extra insulation or alternatively wear more socks/ footwraps.
in the Wehrmacht they'd wear the socks under the foot wraps to help preserve them since footwraps are durable, this is because making good socks enmass is actually pretty industrially intensive and Germany wasn't known for its textile mills.
Fun fact: germany developed the machine way to create socks (how to create heels) in 1888
Neat. There are still some problems that need to be overcome to make nice elastic socks primarily the supply of nylon, which was invented 1938 mind you and was basically exclusive to the allies, needed to make socks that are elastic enough to fit a soldier's foot without needing to be sized with 100% accuracy. Before the invention of elastic nylon/cotton socks they had to be fitted using the weaves natural ability to expand meaning socks had to be sized properly, like underwear or other clothing. This means you have to dedicate more of a textile mills floor to making several sizes of socks to properly fit the troops feet, even still if they are washed improperly they will stretch necessitating the use of sock garters to hold them up since they aren't elastic. Which means more resources taken away from production of cloth for uniforms, parachutes, winter gear, ect.
Footwraps in this context make sense since you don't need multiple lines making socks to produce them, you can just make a roll of flat fabric and cut them out, and foot wraps are a one size fits all solution. People with larger feet can angle them or modify the wrapping technique to fit in wraps that are smaller, this also streamlines logistics and production by not needing to distribute or produce several sizes of socks.
In a modern nation though you should have the ability to produce nylon and should be able to mass produce elastic socks though, and woe to any nation that cannot because it means their industry has regressed significantly.
>Ancient Roman legionaries had socks
>Russia can't even compete with antiquity
Third Rome indeed
Even a 5300 year old hunter had better footwear than Russian soldiers
Looks comfy.
what's actually some good fabric for foot wraps?
I assume they use different stuff in summer and winter