What's the tactical advantage of losing 0.65 soldiers for every 1 meter of ground taken?

What's the tactical advantage of losing 0.65 soldiers for every 1 meter of ground taken?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    hard to discuss this when they conveniently don't list the amount of AFU soldiers killed while Wagner took that 160m of ground.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      0
      (Zero)
      It was Zelenskyy personally bombing R*ssian positions

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        real (real)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If Russia was killing more than they were losing, Bakhmut would have fallen long ago
      >b-b-but they just threw more meat in to hold them up!
      Then there should have been breakthroughs elsewhere along the front as reinforcements were sent to Bakhmut instead.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know that to be true, and you certainly don't.
        None of us will likely know the real toll until long after this war ends.
        I don't get why anyone on either side is vehemently defending the dumbest shit making broad claims when literally no one except the military on either side has any idea.
        If anything we have all learned in the last decade that the media can almost never be trusted, and now everyone just blindly believes the dumbest most biased shit on social media.
        comical to say the least.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Because it's objective reality. Russia is not really advancing. Therefore their military is not making a difference to the situation to change this reality. Therefore the logic dictates they are not killing enough people or destroying enough vehicles to force Ukraine back. That's what happens when you lose forces.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            logic would also then dictate that Ukraine is getting their ass kicked since they haven't been able to push the so obviously inferior, poorly trained russians out of the city?
            both claims are moronic. you just desperately want to believe that yours is true. I have no idea why either side is doing whatever the frick they are doing in that city but clearly it isn't going well for either so how does that default to Ukraine winning?
            the fricking morons picking sides in this dumb fricking conflict are so desperate to be correct that their side is winning that they just make up wild claims about shit that I already stated above, they clearly don't know is true.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yes. I'm Johny Smithsonian from Florida Oblast, and I agree with this post.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The idea is: Russia on offensive
              Ukraine on defensive
              Ukraine hold ground = victory for ukraine, loss for russia
              ukraine is currently holding its ground.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                so by your own logic Ukraine is losing because as stated in the OP post that spawned this discussion: Ukraine lost 160m of ground today. They've also lost half the city.
                So what the frick are you trying to say?
                Your own logic proves you wrong.
                Like I said, both sides clearly aren't completing their military goals so how does that equal one side is winning?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I declare that you are both not losing or winning this internet argument, because you are both grinding heads, but making no serious headway and accomplishing the goals of "btfo" the other one.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                im not trying to BTFO him you simple minded homosexual.
                I'm having a discussion with him like an adult.
                Ukraine is losing ground, Russia is taking it extremely slowly which is making everyone call them weak or incompetent, justifiably so.
                I'm asking for an explanation as to how his definition of Ukraine winning applies to this when a 18 months ago Bakhmut was 100% controlled by Ukraine and it is now 50% controlled by Ukraine and lessening every day.
                By his definition alone Ukraine is not winning.
                That also doesn't mean Russia is winning. Both sides are fighting in an active conflict that is far from being over.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm asking for an explanation as to how his definition of Ukraine winning applies to this when a 18 months ago Bakhmut was 100% controlled by Ukraine and it is now 50% controlled by Ukraine and lessening every day.
                >By his definition alone Ukraine is not winning.
                >That also doesn't mean Russia is winning. Both sides are fighting in an active conflict that is far from being over.
                Because where they have lost Kiev, they have gained significantly in other areas iirc, I don't have the map in front of me and the territory lines aren't the most clear, but At the start of the war RU had a huge chunk of Ukraine, and they lost nearly 60% of everything 3 months in and have been losing it steadily since. In fact I haven't heard anything about Bhakmut except people memeing about it.
                This isn't delving into Russia's own supply, which is nearly gone on all fronts. Ammo, armor, air, artilliry, gas, etc. Ukraine never had much of the big guns to begin with but with steady donations and decent positions they don't have to where as Russia can't replenish any of these.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's actually not true. Russia gained ground since January. Not a lot, but ukies haven't been on the offensive (thus gaining ground) since the kharkiv offensive.

                As for the neutral moron. Russia launched it's big winter offensive in January with very little to show for it. They captured Soledar and most of Bakhmut, a little bit of forrest near Kremina and a few 100 meters in Marinka. They mobilized hundreds of thousands of men for that. Sounds like a failure to me. Let's wait if the ukies can succeed with their offensive.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >but ukies haven't been on the offensive (thus gaining ground) since the kharkiv offensive.
                So did you just forget about Kherson or what?
                Also, Ukrainian SOF probes across the dniepr recently captured more russian ground in a week than NINE STRAIGHT MONTHS of continuous russian ground assaults in Bakhmut

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Inhabited swamps vs city

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You mean bombed rubble?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Picking the right ground for your offensive actions is a key element of success

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's hard to tell from deep state etc, but the ukes have made plenty of counterattacks around bakhmut. Just the past few weeks the rail station was changing hands rapidly iirc. Ukies sof have reportedly also snuck into Russian zones to blow up and deny important buildings. Bakhmut wouldn't be holding if Ukraine is just passively giving ground every day.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Bakhmut wouldn't be holding
                It's just one commie block that is not under Prigozhins control at this point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >after only 11 months
                Congratulations, I guess

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Last ISW assessment said that Puccia lost a total of 25 square km, kek

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Russia already lost strategically you moron. You pretend to be some kind of sober centrist, but fail to realize your brain was rotten by Russian propaganda. STFU

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ah yes Russia didn't take Kyiv in three days so that means that the rest of the country they have taken while decimating everything in their past was an illusion. How silly of me to not understand that.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's not Kyiv they lost. They lost European oil market, prestige of their army, weapons, and country. They're getting rekt by poorest country with some Uncle Sam hand me downs. STFU vatnik. You don't fool anyone with your moronation.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Ah yes Russia didn't take Kyiv in three days so that means that the rest of the country they have taken while decimating everything in their past was an illusion
                yeah, most of what they claimed to take was fake, and what they did take about 33% of the country, was almost all completely lost by attrition and holhol counter offensives.

                This isn't even accounting before they lost
                >all their armor divisions besides salvage from the scrap yard (confirmed by xotol and EU intelligence)
                >all their modern fliers and most of their working non moderns (allegedly they have some left but they've all been sitting on tarmac)
                >all their AA
                >about 100K+ troops
                >their frontline oil reserves
                >the entire world market sans China and india for imports and exports
                >most of their missiles

                If your tiny ruskie brain thinks holding fractions of useless land in ukrain and a small part of an important piece of land, that's quickly losing ground you are a moron.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The idea is that this war is really a race to kill some number of guys, that above this casualty threshold holding ground becomes impossible and then one side's front becomes vulnerable to maneuver warfare again.
                Lots of battles that are strictly speaking phyrric victories are recorded as strategic defeats because they leave the attacker so depleted the territory can't be properly pacified. The seizing of like 99% of Stalingrad in WW2 was technically a German victory because they did it, they took the city. But we call it a defeat because they're logistics and c3 got fricked so bad they all immediately got encircled and lost the second battle of Stalingrad catastrophically.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              If the smaller country with a tenth of the GDP and a third of the population has held the enemy back for this long, I'd say that's winning in the context of this conflict

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >when you lose you win!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yes Ukraine is winning and Putin is both moronic and losing

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Can’t wait until the spring counter offensive happens and Putler is forced to return Crimea!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Given that the enemy goal was to take kyiv in 3 days, yeah they kinda are. Putin shot his load too early, and now vatnik kleptocrats are backstabbing each other and ruining the logistics that never really existed in the first place

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Ukraine are not claiming to advance.
              When Ukraine claims to advance, they retake the entire northern sector of the country.
              When Russia claims to advance, they cry victory at taking 0.8m of a shithole town of less than 100,000 prewar pop.

              Know the difference - it could save you from looking like a moron!

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Not in a war where 80% of all casualties are inflicted by artillery. That suggests that what's happening is the Ukrainians stay in their holes until they're bombed out, but Russians get out of their holes and die.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >muh both sides
          >muh we can’t use reasonable inference and deduction
          back to arfcom gd

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't know that to be true, and you certainly don't.
          but I do, objectively speaking, the Russians have lost nearly all their military machine might, and hundreds of thousands of soldiers.
          Russia is allegedly the second most powerful military in the world, versus a dinky 2nd world UN satellite.
          ERGO
          A global powerhouse like Russia is meant to be, means they should have been making progress inland at a steady rate throughout the year, with aid only providing stumbling blocks.

          We can take a look at America and Germany's previous wars for data on this subject.

          However instead of steady progress, they have just up and died, steadily losing ground if they don't stalemate first.

          we have a good idea of both sides loses in people, and armor. RU doesnt look good.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            it's bizarre then is it not that many nations intelligence agencies are claiming that Russia has inflicted up to 7x more military casualties on Ukraine than vice versa?
            The entire rest of your post just validates everything I've already said in this thread.

            >Trust me guys, I'm neutral!
            have a nice day.

            >you're not on either side, so that means you're not on my side, so that means you're pro russia
            you could not be more moronic if you had tried.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >it's bizarre then is it not that many nations intelligence agencies are claiming that Russia has inflicted up to 7x more military casualties on Ukraine than vice versa?
              I'd like to see these sources.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >this fricking idiot is going to either bring up the fake """mossad""" leaks or the pol edits of the burger leak, isn't he

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                weird how you think everything that doesn't fit your narrative is fake.

                >it's bizarre then is it not that many nations intelligence agencies are claiming that Russia has inflicted up to 7x more military casualties on Ukraine than vice versa?
                I'd like to see these sources.

                exactly my point. Why the frick would you believe anything you read on the internet when bias is so rampant. You guys willfully believe anything that fits what you want to believe and violently protest anything that doesn't fit what you want to believe.

                >I'm asking for an explanation as to how his definition of Ukraine winning applies to this when a 18 months ago Bakhmut was 100% controlled by Ukraine and it is now 50% controlled by Ukraine and lessening every day.
                >By his definition alone Ukraine is not winning.
                >That also doesn't mean Russia is winning. Both sides are fighting in an active conflict that is far from being over.
                Because where they have lost Kiev, they have gained significantly in other areas iirc, I don't have the map in front of me and the territory lines aren't the most clear, but At the start of the war RU had a huge chunk of Ukraine, and they lost nearly 60% of everything 3 months in and have been losing it steadily since. In fact I haven't heard anything about Bhakmut except people memeing about it.
                This isn't delving into Russia's own supply, which is nearly gone on all fronts. Ammo, armor, air, artilliry, gas, etc. Ukraine never had much of the big guns to begin with but with steady donations and decent positions they don't have to where as Russia can't replenish any of these.

                we're having a circular conversation here. I have no idea that any of what you've said is true, and the only source you have is 3rd hand at best through biased media with an agenda.
                Germany was claiming victory all the way up until May of 1945. We have absolutely no way of deciphering what is or isn't propaganda here. Both sides are rampant and rife with it. Russia lies through their fricking teeth and it is financially in Ukraines best interest to lie about this shit so they can keep getting "free" military equipment and funding in a nation (just like russia) chock full of corruption.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >exactly my point. Why the frick would you believe anything you read on the internet when bias is so rampant.
                lmao so you lied and have no source, great argument.

                >we're having a circular conversation here. I have no idea that any of what you've said is true, and the only source you have is 3rd hand at best through biased media with an agenda.
                Nah vatnik, what information I have is sourced through satellite images, war reports, exlposions, etc. The war territory map isn't a biased map it's based on objective current holdings by both militaries you idiot.

                Let me point out an example so your dishonest peabrain can understand, two explosions went off recently, one in Russia, one in Ukraine.

                Russia claimed their major base with tons of oil tankers were all just garbage gas and they were doing tehm a favor destroying it.
                Evidence shows this is an important Russian oil installation near one of Russia's more important frontline bases which has been used as a military base before teh war. So this is unlikely

                Ukraine claimed the same for their explosion, while Russia claimed they hit nearly all of their SLS300 launchers in a row

                It is incredibly unlikely that you would store all of your military might in one location in storage during a hot war. So this is implausible.

                However data from 2017 to about 2019 puts that area as, the ukraines claimed, and unstable rocket feul depot where they stored their unstable warheads that were out of ciurculation, ergo this is the likely target

                Just because you are a dishonest idiot incapable of sourcing thigns doesn't mean the rest of us are. Especially when you thiknk images of the war map based on the facts of the war are all fake.

                Furhter, if the war territory map wasn't fake, Russia would already be close to taking, or have taken Ukraine at this point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >lmao so you lied and have no source
                where did I say I have a source?
                dont confuse lying with your inability to read.
                > war territory map
                so once again were back to objectively saying that Ukraine is losing because the red parts of the map used to be theirs and now the russians have them?
                Ukraine sure has lost a lot of territory while "winning" this conflict. Weird right?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >where did I say I have a source?
                >dont confuse lying with your inability to read.
                Sure, first you lied and said Russia was winning based on "all the big military estimates" when asked for cources you pissed yourself and said "not having sources was the point" because you're a pussy who can't argue for shit. I'm paraphrasing but you're not worth being polite to!
                >so once again were back to objectively saying that Ukraine is losing because the red parts of the map used to be theirs and now the russians have them?
                LMAO you really are a vatnik shill huh? That's not how war works and that's not at all what the current war map says. Didn't bother reading past that since you're a sub 80 iq vatnik who can't understand basic maps

                Don't worry vlad you won't have to understand anything when you're fed into the meat grinder!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                read the thread moron. every single post i've made in this thread has referenced all of you idiots believing all of the shit you read on the internet. I was making a bold claim and throwing it in his face to prove a point, you're just too stupid to understand that because im not actively shouting "FRICK RUSSIA" every other sentence.
                Not one person in this entire thread has posted a claim for anything theyve said and I by far have made infinitely less ridiculous claims and in fact have said multiple times now that I'd be lying if I said I knew what was actually going on over there because I'm not over there.
                be less of a moron and calm your autism before you have an aneurysm.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >posted a claim
                posted a source* my bad.

                nah, my point is solid. you're trying to muddy the waters by pretending we can't truly know anything, or that it's impossible/irrational to take sides as everything is so grey that nothing is really true. you also literally just implicitly stated that the falsified leak documents were valid or worthy of consideration.

                the only people taking this stance are vatniks or moronic conservatives. i'm going to assume you're the latter.

                >you also literally just implicitly stated that the falsified leak documents were valid or worthy of consideration.
                I didn't I was arguing against your bold claim of which you had no source for when there ARE "sources" out there claiming the opposite. My point is that you guys are willfully believing the things that fit your narrative and ignoring the things you dont. I'm saying I find that funny because there is contradictory information for each side on literally every issue of this conflict. So why are you choosing to believe one or the other?
                I'm explicitly stating I believe neither but you guys are too stupid to understand that and just keep calling me a vatnik. proving my entire point.
                it's comical.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                no homosexual, look at what you actually posted.

                he said
                >this fricking idiot is going to either bring up the fake """mossad""" leaks or the pol edits of the burger leak, isn't he

                and you replied with
                >weird how you think everything that doesn't fit your narrative is fake.

                i know you're going to try to weasel out of this but it's really obvious how fricking insufferable you are. please tell me you don't have a girlfriend, i shudder to think of what she'd be going through.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I literally just explained that in the post you replied to. What about this is so difficult for you to understand? Honestly?
                I find it comical that everything you guys dont want to believe is "fake, lies, debunked" while not posting anything that proves that claim. While simultaneously believing everything that fits your narrative.
                I might as well just be copy pasting my posts at this point because you're clearly too dumb to understand what im saying and im just having to repeat myself.
                I've already "debunked" your fallacious claims about me, but you're too braindead to read my posts and understand the words proving that.
                your whole
                >if you're not with me, you're against me
                argument makes you just come off as some irate trans-rights activist that someone wound up on /k/ talking about war.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you're moronic if you think you're arguing with just one guy.

                >le both sides
                >le neutral
                to continue your metaphor you'd be someone claiming the germans weren't really that bad right up until photos of the concentration camps were taken and distributed.

                was my first post responding to you. if you're a centrist or "neutral" at this point you're either moronic or trolling, that's it. centrism and neutrality went out the window the moment they found the corpses of executed ukrainians in bucha.

                btw you're super easy to spot since you always bring up the trans/israeli stuff. you're a hard alt-righter who despises trans people and brings it up in every argument for no reason. stop posting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you're both so clearly moronic that I'm finding it hard to tell you two apart. My apologies.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >vatnik thinks only one person called him on his dishonesty and stupidity
                LMAO
                sometimes YOU have to accept the people your'e trying to own are way smarter than you ptor

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >read the thread moron. every single post i've made in this thread has referenced all of you idiots believing all of the shit you read on the internet.
                Yeah, I know, yet none of it has been true and that's your "point" like I said, not worth reading the rest of your post vatnik, enjoy your shitposting while you can 😉

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine continuing to resist and defeat Russian advances is winning for them.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >where did I say I have a source?
                You said that "many nations intelligence agencies are claiming that Russia has inflicted up to 7x more military casualties". Dude you are embarrassing yourself, don't you see that?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                When Russia seized about a third of Ukraine at the start of the war, everybody agreed that was Russia winning. When Russia lost a third of what they seized, that was Russia losing. Since then the net change in held territory is so small it's actually impossible to know who's winning.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Indeed. They can take territory, but at 100 lives for 150 local meters it seems expensive.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >le both sides
                >le neutral
                to continue your metaphor you'd be someone claiming the germans weren't really that bad right up until photos of the concentration camps were taken and distributed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                nice strawman. solid attempt at an argument I guess.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                nah, my point is solid. you're trying to muddy the waters by pretending we can't truly know anything, or that it's impossible/irrational to take sides as everything is so grey that nothing is really true. you also literally just implicitly stated that the falsified leak documents were valid or worthy of consideration.

                the only people taking this stance are vatniks or moronic conservatives. i'm going to assume you're the latter.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >it's bizarre then is it not that many nations intelligence agencies are claiming that Russia has inflicted up to 7x more military casualties on Ukraine than vice versa?
              This is not true, you just outed yourself, congrats.

              To your boss: get a better one and send this one to catch mines.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >To your boss: get a better one and send this one to catch mines.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

                Why would Mossad leak losses to Iran?

                Why would every other glowie on the planet lie about Ukraine's losses but Mossad would deliberately tell ONE OF THEIR ENEMIES the truth?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Why do y’all foreigners talk all gay?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >it's bizarre then is it not that many nations intelligence agencies are claiming that Russia has inflicted up to 7x more military casualties on Ukraine than vice versa?
              Can you back this claim with some kind of source Ivan?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes but it is hidden in this thread and 5 different telegram posts that you must find.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                already posted it, read the thread in its entirety you troglodyte Black person.

                Called it

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                already posted it, read the thread in its entirety you troglodyte Black person.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >already posted it
                l;ol no, you said it was a tactical idea to lie because it proved everyone got their info from the internet unlike you, the daring brave and smart moderate who..........only seems to defend Russia

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >it's bizarre then is it not that many nations intelligence agencies are claiming that Russia has inflicted up to 7x more military casualties on Ukraine than vice versa?
              Holy kek.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >it's bizarre then is it not that many nations intelligence agencies are claiming that Russia has inflicted up to 7x more military casualties on Ukraine than vice versa?
              Do you mean that photoshopped version of the documents that US guardsman leaked and the schizo numbers made up by a random Turkish blogger who claimed he got them from the Mossad?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Let me break it down for you anon:
          >Russian forces are not allowed to retreat under pain of imprisonment or death
          >Russia has been launching continuous ground assaults against Ukrainian positions in Bakhmut for nine months straight
          >Russia has not taken Bakhmut
          There is only one way for all three of these things to be true at the same time and it does not involve the Russians taking fewer casualties than the Ukrainians

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Ukraine fan here. Can I argue against this point for a second? We've seen plenty of videos of russians getting bombed and then retreating from several different areas. I'd figure only the penal soldiers were under no retreat orders? Or atleast the commander from a group can override that order and get their people to back off

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Ukraine fan here.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Russians dying = cool
                I'm asking a question.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              anon, if the commander had the authority to overwrite and retreat at will they would never see the front. the Russians are drafted or penal battalions, almost no volunteer/contract soldiers left who WANT to go into the enemies lines.

              << is a great video on the why thats the case

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >we... le don't know!!! Russia could be killing hohols at rates of 100:1, there could be a kettle in Earth's orbit right now!! We simply cannot know!!! Le both sides have the same level of credibility!
          NATO places the ratio at of Russian casualties to Ukrainian casualties at 5:1.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >AFU soldiers
      you mean foreign mercenaries right?
      all ukrainian men are already dead after all... even the 12yo and 70yo

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      NATO estimates place the ratio to be 5 Russians for every 1 Ukrainian. The Ukrainians claim an even better ratio.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the destruction of the male population of russia
    >everything makes sense when you realize that women in russia overwhelmingly vote for Putin

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Girkin is so unbelievably blackpilled, I don’t he even cares about being arrested anymore.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        Love him or hate him, he's a true believer. I don't think it's unfair to assume he cares more about Russia being able to get its shit together and win than whether or not he gets arrested for criticizing the government, but it's too little, too late now.

        >Love him or hate him, he's a true believer.
        He knows that winning is the only way out for him, in any other scenario he will be a bargaining chip or straight up fly out of a window

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Bargaining chip? Who would want him enough to bargain?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Whoever after Putin sends him to the Hague to get sanctions lifted.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        doesn't he live in donbabwe? Sure Russia has military control there but i dont imagine there is much of anything in the way of civilian or governmental control in the occupied areas. To the extent that there even exist any emergency services there i imagine they have their hands full

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >doesn't he live in donbabwe
          He literally lives in Moscow and uses metro to get around.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            lmao ok that's news to me, i thought he had moved to donbabwe after 2014. That makes him significantly less based if he's just cozying it up in Moscow

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >lmao ok that's news to me, i thought he had moved to donbabwe after 2014.
              He was there during that time, even held a position in their goverment but got kicked out and now lives in Russia, probably Moscow

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bros, all this talk about grinding meats...

      Im fricking hungry, anybody want a burger? I think I'm about to grrrrrrrriiiiiiillll

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >rare footage of Göbbels, April 1945

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This footage isn't even edited, dude on the right is literally possessed by demons.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >mfw I could kill him right now and they wouldn't be able to stop me
        Being Girkin is suffering

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        lmao
        You can see him wanting to strangle that spazz.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >if only you knew how utterly horrible and beyond all hope things truly are

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      post the one where he tells putin to shut up

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Girkin is so unbelievably blackpilled, I don’t he even cares about being arrested anymore.

      Love him or hate him, he's a true believer. I don't think it's unfair to assume he cares more about Russia being able to get its shit together and win than whether or not he gets arrested for criticizing the government, but it's too little, too late now.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Compare battle to Verdun
      >Yeah, we should do more of this, not end it!
      >Still prowar and mobilization
      He should be sent into the next human wave

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        He is pro-victory.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Six miles of ground has been won
    >Half a million men are gone
    >And as the men crawled the general called
    >And the killing carried on and on
    >How long?
    >What's the purpose of it all?
    >What's the price of a mile?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >>What's the price of a mile?
      About 1036 Russians.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        How many would it take to get from the russian border to the polish border if going through ukraine?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Well, after quick googling Ukraine seems to be around 784 miles wide.
          So it would be somewhere around 800,000 russians

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Well, after quick googling Ukraine seems to be around 784 miles wide.
          So it would be somewhere around 800,000 russians

          From Bakhmut to the polish border is around 1050 km, which gives us a price of 682500 men

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So it would be mathematically accurate to assume that around 117k russians have died so far?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Very rough calculations give around 100k, yeah

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Are those even bad numbers? I thought it'd be way higher in any modern war

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure the US took all of Iraq with those numbers.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not quite. There were 172 coalition deaths in the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. But the US recaptured Fallujah (population 250,000) with fewer KIA than Wagner took advancing 500 feet.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >172 coalition deaths
          how many were friendly fire? Some are expected anyway with a force that large sure but even moreso with different countries trying to coordinate a joint attack

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Attacking troops always have higher casualties.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Is that why NATO lost so many people during Desert Storm? Oh wait, they didn't. Your axiom only applies to impoverished conscript hordes.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So, if you approximate that every Vatnik is a 1.55m manlet, and you lay them all in a straight line, then that's how they captured the 160m land.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ?t=138

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I have to say Blackadder is one of the best TV shows ever made

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A friend of mine is in the Georgian Legion and rotating in and out of Bakhmut. We can emails from him weekly. Basically it sounds like there are two main trenches running along the road to the city and the Russians just keep sending waves of Wagnerites up them to die. Ukies pound them with Arty/HIMARS, then drones are sent in to finish off the survivors. Then they send in infantry to mop off the stranglers. Rinse and repeat. By the time his unit gets there most of the survivors have shot themselves or blown themselves up with grenades so they don’t end up killing many themselves and spend most of their time climbing over lumps of body parts. He says there are some parts of the trenches where the bodies are stacked 2 or 3 high from multiple different waves. The worst is when it rains and the mud washes away so you can smell the rotting flesh of the older kills beneath the fresh kills. He said last time he was running through the trench when it was muddy and he tripped as his boot caught on something deep in the mud - when he dug it out turns out his bootlace got stuck on a piece of human rib cage that was buried 2 feet in the mud. Sounds like the smell is truly unbearable.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      WW1 shit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      so are the Russians even trying to take ground or is it an extermination operation by the state where they funnel the unwanted people to identified enemy killbox like cattle so they get rid of them with plausible deniability?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They are but the effort seems very unfocused. Basically Wagner officers just order these guys to storm up what are essentially ww1 style communication trenches. But they have been shelled so much most of them are caved in or half full of bodies so their cover is getting worse. And they seldom have any armor or artillery support when they do this. My friends unit has taken casualties though so occasionally some of the stragglers manage to kill infantry that come to mop them up. It’s just a grind fest really with Russians throwing bodies at the problem.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >But they have been shelled so much most of them are caved in or half full of bodies
          but are the Russians actually holding the destroyed trenches or are they stuck there because of blocking troops?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The way he describes it the trenches in this area seem like a proverbial no man’s land. The Russians hold some trenches but closer to the inner urban areas. In order to push the Ukies out from the 10% of the city they still control, they need to go through these trenches along the main MSR but per my above get slaughtered quite methodically every time it seems.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Screenshot the emails. I can't wait for you explain why you can't.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I can't wait for you explain why you can't.
        obviously opsec, if he shared the exact texts that would potentially enable someone to connect those email accounts with identities

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          like clockwork

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            why are you posting on /k/ if you're a civilian with zero interest in topics being discussed?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              because I've been posting on this board since 2008 and the homosexuals I've mentioned in my previous posts here:

              im not trying to BTFO him you simple minded homosexual.
              I'm having a discussion with him like an adult.
              Ukraine is losing ground, Russia is taking it extremely slowly which is making everyone call them weak or incompetent, justifiably so.
              I'm asking for an explanation as to how his definition of Ukraine winning applies to this when a 18 months ago Bakhmut was 100% controlled by Ukraine and it is now 50% controlled by Ukraine and lessening every day.
              By his definition alone Ukraine is not winning.
              That also doesn't mean Russia is winning. Both sides are fighting in an active conflict that is far from being over.

              so by your own logic Ukraine is losing because as stated in the OP post that spawned this discussion: Ukraine lost 160m of ground today. They've also lost half the city.
              So what the frick are you trying to say?
              Your own logic proves you wrong.
              Like I said, both sides clearly aren't completing their military goals so how does that equal one side is winning?

              logic would also then dictate that Ukraine is getting their ass kicked since they haven't been able to push the so obviously inferior, poorly trained russians out of the city?
              both claims are moronic. you just desperately want to believe that yours is true. I have no idea why either side is doing whatever the frick they are doing in that city but clearly it isn't going well for either so how does that default to Ukraine winning?
              the fricking morons picking sides in this dumb fricking conflict are so desperate to be correct that their side is winning that they just make up wild claims about shit that I already stated above, they clearly don't know is true.

              I don't know that to be true, and you certainly don't.
              None of us will likely know the real toll until long after this war ends.
              I don't get why anyone on either side is vehemently defending the dumbest shit making broad claims when literally no one except the military on either side has any idea.
              If anything we have all learned in the last decade that the media can almost never be trusted, and now everyone just blindly believes the dumbest most biased shit on social media.
              comical to say the least.

              hard to discuss this when they conveniently don't list the amount of AFU soldiers killed while Wagner took that 160m of ground.

              these people are just blindly believing all the dumb shit they read because they were stupid enough to pick sides in this dumb as frick war while also simultaneously posting the war equivalent of "my dad works at nintendo so he knows X or Y" and not actually posting the proof they claim they have.

              When people are as biased and blinded by lies as they've ever been in modern history why would you believe anything you read on the internet?
              It's fricking preposterous. I'm down for people posting the weapons and vehicles being used in this conflict but actively claiming stupid shit and believing even more stupid shit just solidifies how fricking dumb the homosexuals on this website have gotten.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >When people are as biased and blinded by lies as they've ever been in modern history why would you believe anything you read on the internet?
                dude I only needed to listen to Putin to decide Putins better off dead

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Trust me guys, I'm neutral!
                have a nice day.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Russia has 500.000casualties not even counting donbabwe you massive gayot. Also they lost practically all their tanks so the like 150 or so t55 sorry t-whatever le 2023 edition are being used in indirect fire operations.
                There are rumors Russia is preparing retreat from kherson government planes evacuate people from Crimea where fsb glowies sold their assets last year in May.
                Putin will be dead in 3 weeks and peace negotiations will start.
                You worthless traitor. If it was up to me you'd be dangling from a lamp post.
                Also I'm glad Russia is losing gard.
                Death to all vatniks

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >this is your brain on modern media
                wew lad, the seethe emanating from your posts is astounding.
                Step outside and touch grass. If it was up to me you'd stop being so invested in a war that affects you in zero ways and stop getting so worked up over propaganda.

                It's not Kyiv they lost. They lost European oil market, prestige of their army, weapons, and country. They're getting rekt by poorest country with some Uncle Sam hand me downs. STFU vatnik. You don't fool anyone with your moronation.

                weird, just like the US lost in afghanistan with some uncle sam hand me downs from the 80s when the soviets also got their ass kicked by the same hill people?
                Russia has always been the moron on the block trying to puff his chest. Why are you just now understanding this? Why are you so invested in this war when it affects you in zero ways other than some tax dollars that were going to get misused anyways?
                you guys have nothing going for you in your lives and it shows by the amount of time you spend on the internet getting mad over slavs killing slavs like slavs have done since time immemorial.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >so invested in a war that affects you in zero ways
                >when it affects you in zero ways
                just because you're a shut-in who doesn't care about anything going on outside his immediate sphere doesn't mean anyone else is. shut the frick up and stop trying to impose your irresponsibility on others.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                nice projection.
                please continue being more mad. your country thanks you for your service.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >this war when it affects you in zero ways
                Russia is too dangerous to be left on its own devices.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                U wanna know the most fun part? I'm not seething at all. Why would I? Ukraine is fighting the best fight they can. Casualties on their side are reasonable and Russia is committing national suicide over this idiocy.
                We're winning, and by winning I mean it looks like Russia will withdraw imo and by we I mean all non shithole democracies.
                I understand why you get so worked up. The society that cast you out is proving its superiority over the shitholes you fled emotionally to be able to deny your own faults. I feel sympathy towards you anon. I know my place in this world and I honestly believe you will too some day

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >We're winning
                you're so invested into this war you consider yourself as being a part of ukraine.
                un fricking real lol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Putin opening his mouth made everyone want to kill the guy

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine fighting and defeating is a big win for all freedom loving people in the world.
                China will now think 3 times before doing anything in Taiwan, nato rose from its ashes like a Phoenix and russias military won't be a threat to Europe for the next 20+ years.
                Only downside is all those ukro civilians killed and children obducted and getting raped.
                >Asian Muslim rape murder bands are killing/raping white Christian Europeans
                >you're defending this

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >you consider yourself as being a part of ukraine
                i'm white, so yeah.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >ur so invested!
                says the loser arguing with lies to multiple people desperately trying to convince us Russia is winning a war they're clearly losing
                EL EM AY OH!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >stop being so invested in a war that affects you in zero ways
                You fricking Black folk crow all the livelong day about how Europe is starving/freezing to death because they've been cut off from mighty Puccia, now the war affects us in zero ways

                How do you know someone is a vatBlack person? They lie constantly.
                How do you know a vatBlack person is lying?
                He opened his mouth.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Russia has clearly fricked up its 'special 3 day operation' and it has no coherent plan. That isn't bias, it's objective truth. Another truth is that it's funny as frick seeing them fail so badly, after 20 years of Russia acting like the big hard man on the block and all its interference with its neighbours and around the world in general.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >moron thinks 160m of movement is somehow an advance worth mentioning in the modern age
                >Yeah bros I totally have been here since 2008

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                A little bit of nuance and people lose their fricking minds. The concept of hating russia, enjoying the shitshow, wanting Ukraine to win AND being skeptical of bold claims is lost on far too many people.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Reading the rest of his posts I take back what I said about his nuance.

                I stand by what I said, but the other guy is a tard.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Larp confirmed. How is an email, with the addresses redacted, going to hurt opsec more than videos showing combat? How is a summary of the email totally fine, but the exact wording not ok?

          If has names or troop movements or whatever, just block those out. Do you really think Russia lurks here for info on troops movements and tactics?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I think he means opsec in the sense of anon getting v& by the FSB. You have to give enough info that the email isn't reduced to schizo rambling, but anything personal will get your friend clapped for treason

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >in the sense of anon getting v& by the FSB
              How? How is a screenshot of an email any worse than posting what he said here?
              >anything personal
              Redact it homie

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like the Ganges

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      at least try, urgh, teenager crap

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing smells as bad to humans as human corpses.

      He's right, there's two trenches that lead to the highway. They are surrounded by trenches criss-crossed either side. Those two trenches are a meta trap within the trap that is Bakhmut. The footage coming out of Uke infantry assaults are fricking horrific. When it was raining the Ukrainians started their clean up in waist high water.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this post has it's own thread and I've seen it in other threads too. Why?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Post emails or you’re full of shit

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Based on the fact that somewhere between a fourth and an eight of Russian forces are convicted felons, is it possible this is a kind of Holodomor two where Putin gets to execute a bunch of prisoners and waste Ukie ammo in the process?
      >Sorry political dissidents. I wouldn't want to kill you for speaking out against me, the Ukrainians are just too strong.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Wagner Boss was lowest caste in prison and had to suck dick and get ass fricked..
        My theory is that it's him getting payback by getting all the higher ranking prisoners offed by ukros. It also works against ukros, so win win for him.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >the whole operation is just one big plan to deviously kill people he hates
          I buy it.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'll never trust a single word this moron says. I can't believe people even parrot his quotes, it's all propaganda.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >his “source” is another brownoid propaganda rag
    Sir please do the needful

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >I don't believe it, but i dont believe any of the other shit any media is peddling.
    placing unsourced propaganda made up by some discredited turkish group that was amplified by literal russian propagandists anywhere close in credibility to an actual provably leaked us intelligence document is such a dishonest trick that you should be sectioned for trying it.

    >We're winning
    you're so invested into this war you consider yourself as being a part of ukraine.
    un fricking real lol

    >spend 3 straight decades making the west your new enemy right after it gave you almost complete amnesty considering the breakup of the union
    >get surprised when people you're not in a shooting war with currently see themselves as being on the same side as the people you're currently attempting to genocide
    i agree with the other dude, can we send this one to bakhmut to find landmines?

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    how does it feel knowing that this is the only place you can try this shit and get people to have a rational discussion with you? we both know you don't do it irl because you're concerned about being put in a mental institution or subject to red flag laws.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >complete avoidance of the question
      deflection 101, I guess.
      kek, actually got me laughing over here. Thanks for that.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You are literally just using the same tactics the Proofs posters back in 2014 used that created the fricking meme. And you’re such a newbie that I’m betting you don’t even know which meme I’m referring to

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          thanks man, I'll accept your concession. It's been real.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I accept your concession 😉

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >he actually doesn’t know the meme
            Thanks for proving my point Rajesh, now go relieve your bowels of that half digested curry. Hurry now, you don’t want your favorite designated shitting street spot to be taken so you?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          this "you have to restate and reprove the last 6-10 years of debate we had about this subject, half of which i wasn't old enough to comprehend" shit is so infuriating. like really i would bet actual money on that moron being like 6 in 2014.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >And you’re such a newbie that I’m betting you don’t even know which meme I’m referring to
          He doesn't kek

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >deflection 101, I guess.
        oh you mean like your pussy ass was doing the post before? LMAO

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          it really must hurt being as stupid as you are.
          if you think what I did was deflection than you are truly one of the dumbest people posting on this board right now.

          [...]
          lmao, he did, your source is the equivalent of the national inquirer. IT doesn't have a source, versus the mountains of confirmed reports, the current war map, the xotol reports, etc.
          You really think your snide posting means dick when we can see you pissing your pants?

          I want you to remember this thread, screenshot it, and pin it to the wall of your cell or vatnik armor (lol) division, and remember all of us when Russia is gone in a year or two.

          but you can't disprove it? and you haven't posted any evidence to the contrary.
          god damn you guys are low IQ

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you have a teenage girl in your basement that you've spent the last 6 years attempting to impregnate, not knowing that you're infertile. even she thinks you're pathetic.

            disprove my argument.

            >And you’re such a newbie that I’m betting you don’t even know which meme I’m referring to
            He doesn't kek

            of course not man he probably began posting here in 2020

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >disprove my argument.
              I don't. See, there I win.
              but you can't prove that I do. so it's a net loss on both ends. Thus, this entire war and you guys getting assdamaged over someone having a different opinion than you is hilarious.
              I dont care who wins, slavs are dying thats a good thing. For some reason you dipshits picked a side and are cheering for it like its the superbowl but its three minutes into the first quarter and both teams are at 0 still.
              its fricking moronic and hilarious to watch you guys make this your hill to die on and anyone who disagrees with you is a russian shill.
              Ironically the same tactic and logic that the left and gun grabbers use that you vehemently cry about on this very board.
              this war will never not be the funniest thing that happened to this board. It truly outed all the morons.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's not a different opinion, there is only one reality, and reality requires supporting evidence.

                And when the evidence is heavily weighed in one side, including most evidence even from hostile forces, a single outlier doesn't hold equal weight.

                This board has seen time and time again people on the Russian side attempting to distort reality and lie.

                Over and over again the lies just keep piling up, they have piled up over and over since 2014, nay before it, ever since the first "RUSSIA STRONK" threads appeared on this site.

                When Russian claims and when the claims of Russian supporters continue to be proven false over and over again, by default Russians no longer have the right to claim the burden of proof is on someone else.

                If everything you say is a lie and you have a history of lying, you have no moral high ground to demand anyone prove you wrong.

                And the fact that even after a year of war you're too ignorant to understand why /k/ is siding with the home defender over the home invader, shows ultimately why you will never understand this board.

                It feels like you're too caught up in the political brainrot of /misc/ and Reddit to understand the basic fack that most everyone in /k/ understands.

                Tresspassers will be shot, looters will be shot, invaders will be shot.

                That is the essence of /k/ and it doesn't matter who is doing the home invading,

                /k/ supports self defense, /k/ supports using guns for self defense, And that is what Ukraine is doing, using guns to defense themselves from an invader out to steal and harm them.

                And anyone on /k/ who actually supports a home invader is clearly someone who doesn't belong on this board, If you think the purpose of guns is so you can rob and loot people you do not belong here.

                And ultimately that is what Russia is behaving like.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >its fricking moronic and hilarious to watch you guys
                this was probably a meme before you were born anon

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    lmao, he did, your source is the equivalent of the national inquirer. IT doesn't have a source, versus the mountains of confirmed reports, the current war map, the xotol reports, etc.
    You really think your snide posting means dick when we can see you pissing your pants?

    I want you to remember this thread, screenshot it, and pin it to the wall of your cell or vatnik armor (lol) division, and remember all of us when Russia is gone in a year or two.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You're saying that they have to "Prove you wrong"
    There is literally nothing suggesting you're right in the first place.

    Some Turkish guy saying "We totally got this from Mossad trust me bro and it's 100% real even though it doesn't reflect the situation on the ground at all"

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    You have provided none, prove it was Mossad and not something a Turk made up.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I love that all those contrarian losers never understand how scientific proof works. For them anything a guy says out of his ass is a "source".
      Have non of the 5th columnist traitors gone to college or university?
      I never went and even I know that's not how it works.
      Claim, evidence, tryouts, proofs and comparisons, that's how you prove a claim. I just don't get it. How can people have such a low self esteem to shill for this shithole(russia)

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This entire fricking website doesn’t understand jack shit about anything really. I see people claiming their moronic arguments are “just science” when they don’t even know what the scientific method even is. I’ve got my associates and am working on my bachelors for Biology, so I’ve taken a frick ton of science courses and it’s made it clear that the vast majority of people in general don’t understand what science even is.
        It’s on par with the I fricking love science Facebook page or the moronic “I love science!” Reddit comments on things that are just pictures of cool shit in space.
        And it isn’t even just a PrepHole(nel) thing, like I said, other social medias lack any sort of understanding of science and just label what they like science when they don’t even know the basics that you should have learned in highschool.
        The moron we are dealing with doesn’t even get the concept of burden of proof. I’ll spell it out for him: You made the claim, you have to provide the proof. We don’t have to prove it wrong, you have to prove it right.
        It’s really that simple, and no, going “doesn’t count” to everything that doesn’t fit your preconceived notions isn’t proving anything, especially when you’re not providing anything in favor of your point.
        If you don’t get this you probably have an Iq of around 70 and you should castrate yourself, physically or chemically, I don’t care just do it. But I can’t prove you have balls so whatever.
        Go to hell.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >they don’t even know what the scientific method even is
          stop being mean to academia

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That's the thing, under this situation the entire mainstream media, the CIA, the US government, NATO, the EU, and even Russia are lying about losses and "Totally an anonymous Mossad leak" is the truth.

          Why is it that the hundreds of sources saying Russia has taken more losses than Ukraine, backed up by ample evidence on the ground including photographic evidence of destroyed Russian equipment somehow have less weight than a supposed Mossad leak sent to some turkish news site.

          9/11 Truthers have better evidence supporting their views than this source.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Steel beams can’t melt israelites?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Steel beams will melt before israelites tell random Turks top secret information that no one else in the entire west knows about.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                But can israelites melt steel Turks?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            9/11 truthers actually try to point to evidence that's a bit silly but a fairly common misunderstanding of material science - this is just "truth is whatever i agree with"

            fricking hell Russian culture is intellectual poison

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't Wagner going to withdraw from Bakhmut?
    I thought that Prigozhin thrratened it and the Russian MoD didn't fix any of the issues that he wanted so...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah it's very weird. There's quite a bit of what's obviously Russian propaganda that they're suffering quite a bit in this war, and I can't figure out why you'd want to publish propaganda that your side was loosing on the overall strategic level. Seems like the effect on your own morale and diplomacy would be worse than any kung fu sun tzu benefits.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >supposedly a direct leak from Mossad.
    Minefield it is!

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Someone post the elaborate roach execution compilation, I can’t find it

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >care to explain?
    Russia must be put out of its misery regardless of any type of world you want, multipolar or western-based because they are a country of deranged thugs with no reliability and an appetite for violence.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    the US isn't invading its neighbors and constantly threatening to nuke everyone?
    the US is not in any measure exactly the same, you've been duped by contrarian false equivalence

    if you want to criticize the US don't make shit up, it makes the legitimate criticisms easy to dismiss

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Very dishonest reply, usa in fact invaded and dismantled over 30 goverments worldwide. They created petrodollar just to bribe others with fake money since fed can print infinite amount of them. Cia is actively killing arresting politicians opposing usa.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You’re just mad Russia can’t

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I do not care about russia however Russia never forced me to worship Black folk and put my country into extreme inflation

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I do not care about russia
            >however

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The US never said that "Iraqis are simply misguided Americans and that "Iraq will belong to the US forever"

    The US didn't threaten to nuke Iran for backing Shia militias in Iraq.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    So your entire argument can be safely ignored

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      yes, welcome to the internet. At no point did anyone force you to engage with me.
      absolute moron

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So you entered the thread, started screaming that everyone is wrong...but now it doesn’t matter?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Cause they think they're being a le epic trolll
          See

          https://i.imgur.com/UonxqYD.png

          >its fricking moronic and hilarious to watch you guys
          this was probably a meme before you were born anon

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    And you wonder why people call you a Vatnik? That's exactly how it works in Russia, Russia tells so many lies on every side of the avenue that the Russian people just shrug their shoulders and go "Everyone's lying to me so I don't care".

    You are being called a Russian because you are thinking like a Russian.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >"Everyone's lying to me so I don't care".
      this attitude is fricking cancer, other variants of it include "we can't tell what the truth is so who cares", "you care too much and that makes me look bad for not caring", and "what you are saying may be true, but that would indict us for not caring every time this information came up before".

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia tells so many lies on every side
      yes, you absolute fricking moron. I have said that russia lies at least 4 times in this thread but you guys are too stupid to realize that. I am quite literally not for either side in this conflict. Slavs dying is a good thing, regardless of russia or ukraine.
      you people are so fricking stupid its unreal.

      So you entered the thread, started screaming that everyone is wrong...but now it doesn’t matter?

      when did it ever matter. we're arguing over a difference of opinion on PrepHole. if you aren't here to engage with other people, argue and talk shit, why the frick are you even here?
      maybe reddit is more your speed since it looks like youre looking for a hugbox echochamber.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Projection, your govement said covid is deadly and vax is safe and effective. You also have studies to prove that Black folk are actually human when they are clearly not.

        and here it is, they always break down when you push them enough and reveal they actually do have a side. just say something about israelites already so the thread can get 404ed and we can have gunfu thread.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I am quite literally not for either side in this conflict.

          >here it is, they always break down when you push them enough and reveal they actually do have a side
          you are quite literally the dumbest person posting on PrepHole.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You have nothing to add except insults pot meet kettle

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              weird, you're doing the same thing but it only matters when I do it?
              hypocrisy at its finest.

              you don't get to pretend you don't have a side when every unspoken component of your beliefs sides with russia. seriously you people are so fricking obvious why are you even pretending to be neutral?

              >you're not pro ukraine so therefore you're pro russia
              ah if only the world were so black and white.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                the sooner you learn that anyone with an education began viewing russia in the same way as 1939-1944 germany the moment they began executing civilians, the better. denying this reality makes you look a bit stupid right now but in the future it may have very real risks to your safety.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you don't get to pretend you don't have a side when every unspoken component of your beliefs sides with russia. seriously you people are so fricking obvious why are you even pretending to be neutral?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Funny how it's sounding like someone who got all their talking points from Tucker Carlson, yes so neutral.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ah so no one agreed with you so now nothin matters, because if it did you’d be wrong, an interesting cope

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >expecting people on /k/ to agree with me in 2023 when the entire board is filled with hivemind Ukraine shills.
          I'm being objective and not picking a side. I see the errs on both sides and quite literally couldnt care less who wins.
          it only appears like im picking a side because im not agreeing with you and the rest of the zoomer dipshits on this board who believe everything they read on the internet.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Ah so now everyone who disagrees with you is a shill, so much for not having a side...

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              i do have a side, it's called being in the middle and not pro russia or pro ukraine. I'm pro slav death.

              the sooner you learn that anyone with an education began viewing russia in the same way as 1939-1944 germany the moment they began executing civilians, the better. denying this reality makes you look a bit stupid right now but in the future it may have very real risks to your safety.

              that was the most "im a liberal college professor" of an answer thats been posted so far.
              nice appeal to authority. you sound exactly like the anti gun morons.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And conveniently also pro stopping aid to Ukraine...interesting

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                i have never once said that in the entire thread so I'd love for you to quote me on that.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This is an anonymous image board, even if I do you can easyily say it isn’t you, israelite

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                well, it wasnt me. I'm sorry that you're so moronic that you cant tell when multiple people are having multiple conversations.
                I'll accept your concession though.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So now your just proving me right...and acting smug about it, frick me why do the ideologies that oppose the west have to be so aggressively stupid

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >says the homosexual who was acting smug when he accused me of something I didnt say
                do you not honestly see how hypocritical and moronic you are?
                you gen z dumbasses are truly your own worst enemy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                All you’ve done in thread is call everyone morons and say that they’re wrong, post Twitter pictures, then fall back to “nothing really matters”

                Again, why do the ideological enemies of the west have to be this aggressively stupid?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >muh edgy slavs dying neutroooler

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Projection, your govement said covid is deadly and vax is safe and effective. You also have studies to prove that Black folk are actually human when they are clearly not.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Do you remember when the US attacked France because they left NATO's command?
    Or when they bombed Germany because they didn't help with Iraq?
    Me neither, because it didn't happen.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Atleast accept the fact that Black folk aren't human. You are lying to yourself if you do

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    So your argument is this is PrepHole so you have to act moronic on purpose? Also I’ll take a play out of your book, I havnt posted anything from twitter

    [...]

    I wish I got paid to interact with morons online

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I havnt posted anything from twitter
      neither have I.
      >So your argument is this is PrepHole so you have to act moronic on purpose?
      no, you illiterate homosexual. Nowhere did I make that claim. Google what a "strawman" is.
      be less of a fricking idiot.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, if you can’t be added to explain it, it doesn’t matter

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          i already have explained it. you're just an illiterate moron like i've already explained and don't understand it.
          It's ok. It's PrepHole, im bound to run into morons like you almost constantly.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What was your point here in this thread anyway?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          to waste time between War Thunder matches and watching episodes of Sopranos while eating homemade fish and chips from Lingcod I caught while fishing this past weekend.
          Why does anyone post on PrepHole? Sounds like you were looking for an echochamber and ran into someone with an opinion you didnt like and it baffled you?
          I could be wrong, why do you come here?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They were here to troll but they're not going to admit it, it's the usual nilihist "Oh you CARE about things what a loser you should be like me who doesn't give a frick and thinks the fact of giving a frick makes you a loser, oh I'm so enlightened."

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            im not enlightened. I'm laughing at you homosexuals for being so heavily invested in picking a side in this completely inconsequential war that is occurring thousands of miles from you.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yes you do in fact believe yourself enlightened if you think this war is inconsequential.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                not sure how you came to that conclusion but you are pretty moronic so it's sort of understandable.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Do you ever get tired of being like this? Even if you ever had a point being this venomous and sassy does nothing but turn every thread against you, but let’s be reals, that’s the point isn’t it?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you ever get tired of being like this?
                making morons on an indonesian basket weaving forum seethe? not once in almost 16 years have I gotten tired of that.
                This board has gotten so fricking moronic since this war started and all the ooh rah morons started shilling ukraine threads. It was almost half of all threads at one point. I find it fun to engage with you guys because of how absolutely anally annihilated you get when someone says something you don't agree with.
                I quite literally could not give one single frick who wins this war. Ukraine is going to be financially fricked for an eternity after this war and the human cost will be insane. Russia will also be forever fricked for the same reasons.
                I have no side, regardless of what you dumb fricking morons think. I just find it fricking hilarious how much you dipshits have invested in this all and it will never stop being funny how each and every one of you turn into the people this board used to hate with a fiery passion. The left.
                you cant deal with dissenting opinions without becoming irate. It's all the cliche 1984 wrongspeak bullshit. You want to silence anyone who isn't 100% pro ukraine through character assassination and bullying. exactly like what every single one of you morons did in this thread.
                It's guaranteed replies and just makes you look dumb as frick in the process.

                I enjoy it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I don’t care
                >writes me a short story

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                see how fun this is? you're starting to get it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, you just seem incredibly angry 25/7 and trying to cope(as in the actual term) with it by telling yourself you enjoy it while constantly pissing any shitting the moment someone disagrees

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Based

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Replying to yourself is just sad

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                try harder

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Man, these guys really suck at war. Like I get that the US lost the war on terror because we practically stomped out the initial leadership and then stayed in the sandbox playing wack a mole for no good reason but Christ we at least could drive from one end of the country to another when we occupied it. They can’t even get half after like a year

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That’s the thing, the US is GOOD at conventional warfare, just not so much at nation building with ideologies that don’t mesh with ours well, Russia is a cargo cult that can barely fight two or three rungs below its weight class, and falters the moment it meets true resistance

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You absolute gorilla homie, we don't have to disprove shit because you never posted a verified source to your claim. You posted an unproven claim by an unproven source from an unreliable distributor. No wonder that you think you cannot believe news if you can't even distinguish reliable information from literal shitposts.
    The worst part is that you even have the audacity to come and pretend to be some enlightened centrist while reeking of Russian cum.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >You absolute gorilla homie, we don't have to disprove shit because you never posted a verified source to your claim.
      and you have? kek, you dumb frick.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >NUTHING IS TRUE NOTHING MATTERS
        you guys have been playing this for years frick off

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >you guys
          who?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You and your butthole

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >and you have? kek, you dumb frick.
        Do you want me to post prove that you're a gorilla homie? Because that's the only claim i made. The rest of my post is calling your "source" unreliable.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Do it

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >and you have?
        Yeah? Xotol, the UN every major nation, the warfare map, etc, all of it disproves you but you keep just saying
        >doesn't count
        then you point to ONE singular source that says you're right, and it's from the international equivilent of a dish rag.
        Then you plug your ears and cry when you get BTFO lmao

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    But you are, just under the false pretense of both sides bad, there for don’t help and opps that let’s Russia get what it wants oppies you as translucent as glass

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I don't speak moron. Please translate.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly I am moronic for thinking we were ever having a conversation anyway, thanks for helping me waste time I guess

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    And the Russians claimed that there were Ukrainian biolabs creating superviruses. They also claimed that they could be in Kiev in two days, which clearly hasn't happened. One side has much more credibility than the other.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >i'm going to conveniently ignore the fact that both nations have historically been professional bullshitters and lied to the world and general public ad nauseam, and take the word of either one of them at face value because it fits my narrative
      yep, checks out.

      Honestly I am moronic for thinking we were ever having a conversation anyway, thanks for helping me waste time I guess

      it's been real, and it's been fun, but it hasn't been really fun.

      You and your butthole

      pic related

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >historically been professional bullshitters
        Do you even actually believe that?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          do you actually think it isn't true.
          both nations have spent the last entire century lying to their citizens. How the frick can you not believe that?
          Each nation has entire agencies devoted to covering up shit they do behind peoples backs.
          if you're serious, that was the dumbest, lowest IQ post in this entire thread.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ukrainian bullshit
        >claim theres going to be an offensive
        >do nothing or do it somewhere else
        >stretch out drone videos uploads over the months for content
        russian bullshit
        >so many ukrainian offensive (that didnt happen)
        >many secret HATO biolab polish mercneary trnany roasted piggie*~~*~~)
        >ukrainian air force destroyed over 9000 times
        >tanks that havent even arrived yet already destroyed *~~)
        >bakhmut captured 10 times, give me 2 weeks for full capture (it keeps repeating)

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >i'm going to conveniently ignore the fact that both nations have historically been professional bullshitters and lied to the world and general public ad nauseam
        >one side got something wrong 20 years ago, but makes a claim that coincides with reality
        >the other side posts schizobabble daily, and even has members of its side saying that Bakhmut is a disaster
        >”THEY ARE LITERALLY THE SAME, THE ATTACKERS USING PRISON CONSCRIPTS WHOSE LEADER HAS SPENT THE PAST FEW WEEKS CLAIMING THEY LACK AMMUNITION COULD BE TAKING LOSSES AT A 5:1 RATIO OR THEY COULD BE KILLING HOHOLS AT UNPRECEDENTED RATES, WE CANNOT KNOW. BY THE WAY, HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE KETTLE IN EARTH’S ORBIT”
        Ok moron

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Dont worry though, he’s a neutral party

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if they think they’re doing something by sliding threads when...you can just make a new one.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I am going to bed though, it has been heaps of fun.
    have a great night all, even you morons, I hope you sleep well.
    keep the thread alive and I can respond to all of my guaranteed (you)s tomorrow.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Please do everyone a favor as suffocate on your own vomit while you sleep

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >i dont know man, I'm not the one spending every waking moment on /k/ in an echochamber trying to convince everyone around me that "my side" is winning.
    lol you literally are. You've been the sole "moderate" spamming the thread with misinfo and "muh both sides" to prove just how non involved you are.

    Face it kid, you're a bullshitter worse than Russia and you cannot help but defend your shitty talking points to the last man, you're pathetic.

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I love this new "Le Neutral Vatnik" angle they are taking. Completely transparent but fun to known they are trying to switch things up. I wonder if this is part of their new manual regarding how to frame the inevitable defeat to their moronic proles.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      not new, was always there, mainly employed by commies and lolberts

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It’s as old as they are, just there to muddy the waters

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      not new, was always there, mainly employed by commies and lolberts

      It’s as old as they are, just there to muddy the waters

      I hope they try to launch a nuke so we can bomb them so hard I never have to read a Russian disinfo shitpost ever again. The Chinks are at least easier to filter and make fun of, with the added bonus of them getting killed if they shill badly.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Hey, this entire war is based on “they can’t be that stupid” so anything can happen

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >What's the tactical advantage of losing 0.65 soldiers for every 1 meter of ground taken?
    Winning 1 meter instead of losing it?

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >supposedly a direct leak from Mossad.
    that is a goatfricker blog saying it's from mossad without a shred of evidence to support that hefty claim. this is worth less than nothing. honest to god you would have been better off just saying "dude trust me"

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Fun fact: the average Russian man is 5-foot-9-1/2 inches (or 177cm) tall, meaning if you laid all those dead Wagner fighters out from head-to-toe, they would stretch 30 meters beyond the territory they died taking.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      would it not make more sense to lay all the wagners over the square of captured land instead of a line?

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Source: the QUEEF independent

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Source: Yevgeny Prigoshin, actually. But very nice pun, anon

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    So you can't prove it. got it. thanks for playing.

    You are a Black personhomosexual

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