Does Russia knows when to quit or they will go until they have no military, no satellite states (all stolen by Europe or China), No Kuban and no Belgorod?
Latest Gremlin-announcement was that they fully believe that they easily have the potential to achieve all their initial goals - those morons genuinely don't know when to quit.
>was that they fully believe that they easily have the potential to achieve all their initial goals
In fairness, it's not like they can say anything else.
They could announce that they still have the potential to achieve SOME goals at least. I am sure the shell shock from government being half-sincere once in a while would easily keep vatnik population at leash for few more months.
They've had several opportunities to call it a win and back off and be able to sell it to their moronic serfs. Each time they dug in and insisted on total victory. I feel that by the time they openly admit they're gonna lose their only option now is to pin the blame on a scapegoat.
By the way, that's another thing. People keep acting like this is do or die for the monkey and the NOOKS are coming. No, the monkey doesn't want to lose all of his riches. Instead there'll be blame and many important people (possible coup threats) are going to commit suicide in shame.
well, at least these poor frickers seem to have helmets and some kind of LBE , and rifles with black butts, implying something manufactured after afghan war
Once Russians finish offing themselves in this war, Ukranians will follow them into the mass grave. Both countries are riddled with subhuman scum devoid of moral agency. I acknowledge Russia is at fault for this war, that they've committed countless egregious atrocities, and that their military is riddled with incompetence and corruption, but none of these things are a free pass for Ukraine.
>They made good video games.
So do other nations? Does this somehow counterbalance their systematic criminal activity?
>both sides
You aren't unique or special, you're just a homosexual
That's really my line now, isn't it? If you derive comfort from the false sense of security through consensus, be my guest. I reserve the right to defend my opinion against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. Anyone who disagrees with this can get in line, pick a number, and kiss my ass.
>I reserve the right to defend my opinion against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. Anyone who disagrees with this can get in line, pick a number, and kiss my ass.
This sounded a lot cooler in your head didn't it?
>That's really my line now, isn't it? If you derive comfort from the false sense of security through consensus, be my guest. I reserve the right to defend my opinion against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. Anyone who disagrees with this can get in line, pick a number, and kiss my ass.
You're just picking a different majority to agree with, contrarian-anon, and you can't even defend it by saying that there's a degree of separation. Your chosen majority's opinion is fully accessible through the internet, which is why you've gravitated towards the opposite opinion than most of your countrymen.
It's not like you were truly original by saying, I don't know... China should intervene as a third party between NATO and Russia and guarantee the eternal boundary between Russia and the western nations, including conquering every other nation bordering both factions.
It would be moronic, but at least it'd be a genuine minority opinion.
>So do other nations?
And? How does that change the fact the ukes had something worthwhile to give us before 2022?
You didn't ask why they should be forgiven for crimes, you were challenging the idea that the ukes offered anything to us before 2022 other than being "the good guy" you fricking moron.
Of course it was a corrupt post soviet shithole. But they were moving towards the EU more and more and as such would become a western ally. While the west has a lot of flaws it’s still far better than other options such as Russia and China.
But all that aside they were attacked first and as such they are the ”good guys” by default since they weren’t the ones who initiated a conflict which resulted in a lot of death and misery. This is on Russia, therefore they deserve a humiliating defeat. Hopefully they are going to get so damn buckbroken that they’ll never be able to bully and scare people in submission ever again. Frick them
>Of course it was a corrupt post soviet shithole. But they were moving towards the EU more and more and as such would become a western ally. While the west has a lot of flaws it’s still far better than other options such as Russia and China.
And they were rightfully denied entry into the EU. Do you know why? Because they not only failed to meet the criteria outlined for entry, but also carried (and still carry) the burden of being a corrupt and untrustworthy shithole. This didn't change in February 2022.
>But all that aside they were attacked first and as such they are the ”good guys” by default since they weren’t the ones who initiated a conflict which resulted in a lot of death and misery. This is on Russia, therefore they deserve a humiliating defeat. Hopefully they are going to get so damn buckbroken that they’ll never be able to bully and scare people in submission ever again. Frick them
Agreed, but if you fail to see Ukraine in the same light for the same reasons we've despised Russia following this war, you'll have made a grave error in judgement. Once Russia has finished fighting themselves to death, do you sincerely believe Ukraine should not be held accountable for their own corrupt practices? I don't deny Russia has committed more inhumane crimes against others, but don't tell me you can't see the trees for the forest here.
Show me Russians overthrowing Putin for being a moronic leader, and I'll see them in the same light as Ukrainians.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person you are basically comparing a sardine to a tuna. Both are rotten fish in different forms and I don't need Russia to take any action or inaction to identify Ukraine as corrupt. I'm not saying Russia is the same as Ukraine, I'm saying they're both contemptible.
On the contrary, nobody cared for Ukraine prior to 2014 (don't act like Russia is only attacking now) because they were being soviet wieners. People care for Ukraine now *because* they are subject to a Russian genocide. When Boris is finally reduced to whatever state is even possible beyond their current collapse, rebuilt Ukraine will have lots to contribute to Europe.
They have had a taste of its soviet future, they now want in on that Western prosperity.
The date is arbitrary, the point is more that Russian intervention through aggressive conflict has given you forgiving eyes for a duplicitous state.
well, i'm a Bulgarian, so yeah, a slavic country meant something for me before 2022, the same way any other slavic or neighboring country mean to me on a daily basis
And do you want me to call you ukranian?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>And do you want me to call you ukranian?
whatever floats your boat, boss
Like I said, Ukraine was corrupt before the war and will be so after the war. Hell, if anything it might even get worse since Zelensky and others within the leadership can use their hero status to get away with a lot of bullshit. But unlike Russia there’s a significant portion of Ukraine that wants to work together more with the EU and this might just be enough to change things for the better. Not a guarantee for sure, but it’s at least a possibility. I can’t say the same for Russia.
Even if they remain corrupt for generations to come it benefits the west more that they’re not under Russian control, that’s a good, albeit cynical reason for me to support Ukraine over Russia
>And they were rightfully denied entry into the EU. Do you know why? Because they not only failed to meet the criteria outlined for entry, but also carried (and still carry) the burden of being a corrupt and untrustworthy shithole. This didn't change in February 2022.
You don't seem to know how entering the EU works. They were never denied because they did not officially apply yet. It's a long process.
Again, I agree. Every dead vatBlack folk is an innocent life saved, but Ukraine deserves punishment following this war. Therefore, every dead Ukranian is also an innocent life saved.
That's idiotic. You're equating a corrupt government with a need to kill citizens because you've a child's view of war. In peacetime, you can't just start executing random Ukrainians because "oh you need to be punished".
The only reason people are happy about Russians dying at all at this point is because they're taking part in an invasion with some forced-assimilation undertones.
When the war is over, no one's going to suggest pulling random Russians from their homes and evening out the civilian death tolls. What a moronic take! A brainlet's attempt at impartiality!
2 years ago
Anonymous
You need to be 18 to post here. No. You are warping my thesis by suggesting door to door executions.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>thesis
Please, it's not even a half-formed thought! What other interpretation can be gleaned from you talking about dead Ukrainians being just in the same breath that you talk about dead Russian invaders being just?
How else do you equivocate the two other than through equal action taken, especially in the context of "punishment"? Face it, you've been called out and now you're slinking away from your own argument like a dirty, stinking, yellow-bellied coward who doesn't believe in anything, even his own point of view.
2 years ago
Anonymous
More like you've run out of ways to twist my point into an exaggerated narrative. I've made it clear that Ukraine can't be trusted and why, but all you have is "you can't just kill them both".
not even worth a (You)
2 years ago
Anonymous
you haven’t given a single example of why Ukraine deserves any punishment itt. You keep making vague allusions to corruption and untrustworthiness like that means anything
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I can't defend my stance, so here's le ebin maymay about ~~*You*~~s.
Don't worry, I simulated your argument by playing some fart noises. You formed a clear idea that time, but failed to produce any actual evidence for your theories.
2 years ago
Sage
It's just another form of vatBlack person cope >Whattabout
2 years ago
Anonymous
This war won't last forever. Once it's over, the Ukrainian government must answer to the first world nations if they want to play ball, particularly the U.S. and UK for their direct support. So no, I do put Russia in the spotlight and hot seat first and foremost, but getting backlash for my foresight on Ukrainian activities is something that just comes across as moronic to me. Are you honestly expecting Ukraine to be trustworthy as soon as vatBlack folk run out of bodies to toss into the meat grinder?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No one's expecting them to be immediately trustworthy, but everyone else, including Ukraine, bizarrely enough, seems to think that with Western influence comes a natural burning away of at least some corruption.
You don't get to do that with Russia since they're insulated against Western influence.
Ukraine has a chance, just like several other slavic nations had a chance.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And what has Ukraine done with this "chance" in the past 40 years? The same shit other corrupt nations like Russia do shy of nuclear threats and invasions into sovereign lands. The criminal activity in Ukraine is documented, anon. There are reports, studies, and testimonies supporting the claim that Ukraine has systematically misused its statehood for over 40 years to the bereavement of its citizens. This isn't a validation of Russian claims of murders/suppression in eastern Ukraine or crimea. Those are lies. I'm talking about a holistic view here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ukraine's courtship of the west is not in the "past 40 years", therefore the notion that they can magically shrug off all corrupt influences with a hostile state stirring the shit is very very silly indeed.
Perhaps a pathway to NATO would be a way for Ukraine to get itself in order and cast out their corrupt actors? Perhaps they could obtain help from the international community to do so?
But wait... can't do that, because somehow idiots like you think that some nebulous notion of punishment overrides current and future possibilities.
Also: post corruption. I want to hear about these documented activities. We can discuss them once you've posted them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Actually, I take back that offer. I'm not actually all that interested in hearing your "holistic view" or "criminal activity". I'm going to bed.
You can just kiss my ass instead. Pucker up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The criminal activity in Ukraine is documented, anon. There are reports, studies, and testimonies supporting the claim that Ukraine has systematically misused its statehood for over 40 years to the bereavement of its citizens.
[citation needed]
2 years ago
Anonymous
in 2014 they overthrew their corrupt government and installed a more democratic one
They they somehow took an army even more riddled by corruption and ineptitude than the Russian one and turned into a genuinely deadly fighting force
both of these things indicate that Ukraine has a bright future ahead of it, assuming it can fend off the Russians
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bro, you read a comment that said Ukraine was X on a list of most corrupt states in Europe, and somehow that turned you into autistic Batman.
2 years ago
Anonymous
seems like i'll have to explain you few things (not that you are going to read or try to understand them, but whatever)
if you look up the stats about corruption in europe you'll see a clear pattern that the corruption is mostly present in ex-warsaw pact countries in eastern europe.
the reason for that is quite simple - before the collapse of the communism in those region corruption was limited to communist party members and generally people with power, so corruption was not seen as an issue (also if you try to talk about it you'll get whacked)
after the USSR collapsed Russia no longer had the "free" stuff they were getting from their republics or satelite states. Russian manufacturing was seen as inferior to the west and their ex-satellites were too broke to afford anything, so the only way for Russia to keep their income going somehow was to pull the strings that they still had in those satellite states and keep up with businesses that depend on russian exports (mostly energy resources)
quite often that meant making sure their ex-vassals be forever dependent on russia even if the said state has to pay more for russian export that they can get cheaper from somewhere else
and here's where corruption comes into play, because only complete moron would overpay for something they can get cheaper from somewhere else
tl;dr; corruption in eastern europe is directly fueled up by the russian state - intentionally
once Russia is no longer a factor (hopefully soon) corruption in eastern europe will drastically decrease because there will no longer be those useful 5th columnist idiots around here, trying to push for russian interests
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok, now explain why Ukraine exceeds the other ex-warsaw pact countries in criminal activity, human trafficking, and etc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Took you a while to think of that, didn't it? Had to ask the commissar what to say?
Not a shock. Your type always need to get your opinions from a superior.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm watching hoe-girlve clips on the side. Someone made Miko cry over some moronic shit and it's made me bitter.
2 years ago
Anonymous
because they are so entangled into russia's tentacles that it will take them quite some time
i'm telling you again - see the corruption stars of EE and notice how the more west you go the less corrupt states you get
Most of those ex satellites are safer than Ukraine and we're able to make their way into the EU and/or NATO, so I don't know how strong your example is.
yes, because when they entered the EU, Russia was too weak to intervene and create a russian republic on their border regions
Ukraine unfortunately couldn't do that because russia is squatting on their clay "peacekeeping" since 2014 (when they kicked out their pro-russian government), the same way they did in 2008 in Georgia, the same way they did in Moldova in the 90's and so on
if no one noticed that pattern by now, we'll have a greater issue here in the nest 10 years
2 years ago
Anonymous
I will keep these points in mind, gather more information, and see what conclusions I reach. This is more damning on Russia if true because it undercuts the record keeping of unlawful behavior in Ukraine.
Thank you for your perspective.
2 years ago
Anonymous
not that anon, but I wasn't expecting this response
2 years ago
Anonymous
homosexual doesn't even realize how corrupt buttholes like Yanukovych was
Even before the election he already had a bunch of filled ballots all around the country
While Russia isn't the sole cause of post-communist countries' corruption, it's certainly a big enabler to it
Even non-ex-communist countries too
When Cyprus tried to flirt with Russia, with business ties and all that, some of the places there turned into one of the favorite destinations for Russian gangsters' vacations
It's so appalling to see that kind of stuff from a big country
China in some ways has become like that too, hiring the Triads, turning a blind eye on fentanyl sales, and all that
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because the other ex Warsaw pact countries are members of NATO and the EU
Except for the central Asian ones of course, which are not coincidentally still hideously corrupt
2 years ago
Anonymous
Most of those ex satellites are safer than Ukraine and we're able to make their way into the EU and/or NATO, so I don't know how strong your example is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no one's going to suggest pulling random Russians from their homes
i suggest this since the beginning of the 2000's
2 years ago
Anonymous
>When the war is over, no one's going to suggest pulling random Russians from their homes and evening out the civilian death tolls
Well, as a moderate myself...
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
they are 100% going to be randomly killing russians by the time this is over
So because "Ukraine [didn't] mean anything to you prior to 2022" you now wish death to it as a nation? I've seen some moronic takes during my time here but sometimes it really hits home what kind of absolute morons I find myself sharing this imageboard with.
>this, therefore that
No you moron, I'm saying support for Ukraine is unjustified aside from their utility as a vatBlack folk killing apparatus.
Ukraine has already been given a chance (multiple) to expunge corruption for decades now. I'm not convinced they're worth saving based on current or past evidence.
On the contrary, nobody cared for Ukraine prior to 2014 (don't act like Russia is only attacking now) because they were being soviet wieners. People care for Ukraine now *because* they are subject to a Russian genocide. When Boris is finally reduced to whatever state is even possible beyond their current collapse, rebuilt Ukraine will have lots to contribute to Europe.
They have had a taste of its soviet future, they now want in on that Western prosperity.
well, i'm a Bulgarian, so yeah, a slavic country meant something for me before 2022, the same way any other slavic or neighboring country mean to me on a daily basis
No no. Don't you see? That's not a real feeling because the teenager concern trolling as a centrist can't leverage those feelings for the sake of empty geopolitics.
In 2014 I was of the opinion NATO should have blockaded the Bosporus over Crimea and then bombed the "separatists" in Donbass when they murdered my citizens in MH117, but I have no more control over what my leaders do than you.
Do you remember when Obama said, "Tell Vladimir, I'll have more flexibility after the election" just before the 2012 election?
Because, I do. I'll always remember.
If Botswana invented cure for cancer or an infinite battery I would cheer for Botswana even though I didn't care for them before.
Ukraine is doing the next best thing.
I played stalker a fair bit back then and obviously killed through a frickton of military dudes. I always thought I was killing russians, I had no idea chernobyl was in ukraine lmao, but they speak the same fricking language and shit so how was I supposed to tell.
Anyway that's all I knew about ukraine. Oh and their women are hot.
It's funny that now ukes can legally put russians inside the game as baddies and no one would wonder what the heck are they doing there. I, for one, gonna be disappointed if they don't add red forest trenches as a location inside the game.
1990s in high school I joined a "folk arts council" non-profit organization for credits, met many different people from foreign countries (as is the point of that outfit). Ukrainian MILF was great and the only person I remember from that time besides some ancient German lady who made the best veal bratwurst.
Then later, in the early 2000s, the site "KiddOfSpeed" was an interesting website to visit, it was about a Ukrainian girl who supposedly took motorcycle trips to the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone and had some interesting pictures on that web site. This was back in the olden days of the Internet when randos could make random web pages of their own interest, back when fun was still allowed and before everything because corporate controlled and memeticised for moronic parrots like yourself.
And of course the STALKER game series is spectacular. There was also great memes with that Ukrainian president who got poisoned by Russian subhumans but survived it.
But you wouldn't remember any of this because you're a borderline underage ban who ironically has a short-focus memory based on current thing while you unironically complain about people being npcs focused on current thing. I would suggest you commit seppuku, but you lack the honor for even that.
>I didn't know anything about Ukraine therefore nobody else did
My brother my family is from Chernihiv and I last visited 5 years ago. The Ukrainian people are proud and wish to be independent. The Ukrainians have the same spirit that Rhodesians and revolutionary Americans did. They do not want to be ruled by a foreign power that subjugated and genocided them in the past. Why would anyone ignore the will of the Ukrainian people and not support a population defending its land?
Contrarian, Puccian... same show. When you make your one objective in life to be opposite of your opposition, when the opposition is right and you are wrong, you obtain the capacity to be very very very wrong indeed.
the replies to this post alone show how many ukrainian wienersuckers have infested this board, frick nafo, frick reddit, frick telegram, frick russia, frick ukraine
I absolutely adore how you crossposting newbies only seem to bring up that twitter group /chug/ started a fight every time you start whining about Ukraine. It really just goes to show you're not sick of the war, you're just sick of Russia losing.
>Russia now claims that this "special operation" was undertaken because the Ukrainians were shelling pro-Russian civilians in the now Russian occupied regions of Ukraine >not once has Russia provided any evidence that this was taking place there despite their control of the area >not once has anyone in the West mentioned the lack of evidence for this claim or demanded to see proof for it >no one talks about the fact that the current suspect leadership of the US impeached the former president for a phone call in which he asked the Ukrainians in assistance for possibly investigating his political rival's son for illegal business dealings in Ukraine >now that same corrupt political family is in the White House setting policy and sending billions to the very Ukrainians who helped them make their dirty money >in the lead up to this war it was very clear this corrupt president with the corrupt family actually helped to instigate this war between Russia and Ukraine, and when a peace deal was within reach his regime told the Ukrainians to not accept it >so everyone in positions of power that is involved in this war has ulterior motives to see it prosecuted and the innocent people caught in the middle who are dying for it are the Ukrainian civilians >meanwhile, internet NPCs who care nothing about the waste of human life expect you to pick a side like this whole conflict is a black & white issue with good guys and bad guys
They're all bad. The Bidens, the American ruling class, Zelensky, Putin, the CCP, the industrial military complex, the Western leaders in the EU/NATO, the Russian citizens blindly following Putin, the EU citizens who wanted cheap Russian energy, the US citizens who allowed a corrupt political party to steal an election, all of them. Only the suffering people in the middle, the Ukrainians, deserve pity.
It's very very simple anon. Ukraine had never attacked or created a conflict with anyone in its existence. Russia is in perpetual state of manufactured conflict. Russia has already attacked Ukraine before. Russia invaded Ukraine. You quite literally don't need to know anything more than that.
>You quite literally don't need to know anything more than that. >don't pay attention to the US and EU corruption and greed! Don't pay attention to Ukraine being a corrupt US puppet state! >everything is black and white! Just pick a side!
No. I refuse to play your game.
corruption is present everywhere, but when you are being corrupted in favor of another country (Russia) that's treason and all you do is leaking capital out of your home country
but since you are a whataboutist here's an example: >Politician from country A is being corrupted by the Americans to buy American shit - shit is bought and shit works as promised
Politician from country A is being corrupted by the Russians to buy Russian shit - shit is bought overpriced, delays due to "reasons", price goes up in the meantime because overtime there was inflation going on, and if you live to see the final product it just not works
There is a difference between pointing out the corrupt dealings of our current President in the nation of Ukraine which obviously is worth noting and incredibly worrying, and equating it to a direct expansionist invasion by a foreign power. They are simply not the same. I fricking hate Biden but I won't for a second pretend that an invasion that takes tens of thousands of lives on both sides due to the bellicose sentiments of a megalomaniac is at all similar. You're being willfully dishonest by simply stating they are all bad: That is true but it is not that simple.
>Russia now claims that this "special operation" was undertaken because the Ukrainians were shelling pro-Russian civilians in the now Russian occupied regions of Ukraine >not once has Russia provided any evidence that this was taking place there despite their control of the area >not once has anyone in the West mentioned the lack of evidence for this claim or demanded to see proof for it >no one talks about the fact that the current suspect leadership of the US impeached the former president for a phone call in which he asked the Ukrainians in assistance for possibly investigating his political rival's son for illegal business dealings in Ukraine >now that same corrupt political family is in the White House setting policy and sending billions to the very Ukrainians who helped them make their dirty money >in the lead up to this war it was very clear this corrupt president with the corrupt family actually helped to instigate this war between Russia and Ukraine, and when a peace deal was within reach his regime told the Ukrainians to not accept it >so everyone in positions of power that is involved in this war has ulterior motives to see it prosecuted and the innocent people caught in the middle who are dying for it are the Ukrainian civilians >meanwhile, internet NPCs who care nothing about the waste of human life expect you to pick a side like this whole conflict is a black & white issue with good guys and bad guys
They're all bad. The Bidens, the American ruling class, Zelensky, Putin, the CCP, the industrial military complex, the Western leaders in the EU/NATO, the Russian citizens blindly following Putin, the EU citizens who wanted cheap Russian energy, the US citizens who allowed a corrupt political party to steal an election, all of them. Only the suffering people in the middle, the Ukrainians, deserve pity.
The >b-but they both are corrupt
is literally nothing but an attempt to incite apathy. Literally the same thing that Russians are conditioned to think of the media: hey, everyone everywhere lies, that means that everyone is equally untrustworthy and thus Russian media is actually just as reliable as media elsewhere.
If you think that everything is equally shit, then you care for nothing, do nothing to anything, and that’s exactly what apathy-spreaders want.
The problem lies in the fact that Russia can't lose (More importantly Putin can't lose) until he/it actually does lose. Meaning, that when it becomes physically impossible to continue waging war, Putin's a dead man and he knows it. So he will drag this out until that moment. Either he wins by attrition, or he gets whacked. But this will carry out at minimum another year
No time for eating if vomiting. Less food needed.
They're used to it already.
Now you can use catapult to launch them to Ukrainian settlements.
Does Russia knows when to quit or they will go until they have no military, no satellite states (all stolen by Europe or China), No Kuban and no Belgorod?
Fighting will continue till the last russian
Latest Gremlin-announcement was that they fully believe that they easily have the potential to achieve all their initial goals - those morons genuinely don't know when to quit.
>have the potential to achieve all their initial goals
Which they still refuse to name lmao
Just like their goals.
Your mortal mind could not comprehend it.
>was that they fully believe that they easily have the potential to achieve all their initial goals
In fairness, it's not like they can say anything else.
They could announce that they still have the potential to achieve SOME goals at least. I am sure the shell shock from government being half-sincere once in a while would easily keep vatnik population at leash for few more months.
They've had several opportunities to call it a win and back off and be able to sell it to their moronic serfs. Each time they dug in and insisted on total victory. I feel that by the time they openly admit they're gonna lose their only option now is to pin the blame on a scapegoat.
By the way, that's another thing. People keep acting like this is do or die for the monkey and the NOOKS are coming. No, the monkey doesn't want to lose all of his riches. Instead there'll be blame and many important people (possible coup threats) are going to commit suicide in shame.
End condition is finding a replacement the oligarchs can live with and then offing Putin
>No Kuban and no Belgorod
They will nook before that
well, at least these poor frickers seem to have helmets and some kind of LBE , and rifles with black butts, implying something manufactured after afghan war
And you lynch Black folks.
>And you lynch Black folks.
and you should thank us for that.
>And you lynch Black folks.
And what are your thoughts on the roma perchance?
Black folk deserved it.
I understood that reference
Once Russians finish offing themselves in this war, Ukranians will follow them into the mass grave. Both countries are riddled with subhuman scum devoid of moral agency. I acknowledge Russia is at fault for this war, that they've committed countless egregious atrocities, and that their military is riddled with incompetence and corruption, but none of these things are a free pass for Ukraine.
Death to both nations
Le both sides are bad
This but unironically. Please convince me that Ukraine meant anything to you prior to 2022 since it was obviously Le good guy
They made good video games.
>They made good video games.
So do other nations? Does this somehow counterbalance their systematic criminal activity?
That's really my line now, isn't it? If you derive comfort from the false sense of security through consensus, be my guest. I reserve the right to defend my opinion against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. Anyone who disagrees with this can get in line, pick a number, and kiss my ass.
>reserves the right to defend his opinion
>doesn’t actually defend it
what did he mean by this
>I reserve the right to defend my opinion against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. Anyone who disagrees with this can get in line, pick a number, and kiss my ass.
This sounded a lot cooler in your head didn't it?
>I hold this opinion
>That's stupid, why?
>The government can't stop me from holding it
ok
>That's really my line now, isn't it? If you derive comfort from the false sense of security through consensus, be my guest. I reserve the right to defend my opinion against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. Anyone who disagrees with this can get in line, pick a number, and kiss my ass.
You're just picking a different majority to agree with, contrarian-anon, and you can't even defend it by saying that there's a degree of separation. Your chosen majority's opinion is fully accessible through the internet, which is why you've gravitated towards the opposite opinion than most of your countrymen.
It's not like you were truly original by saying, I don't know... China should intervene as a third party between NATO and Russia and guarantee the eternal boundary between Russia and the western nations, including conquering every other nation bordering both factions.
It would be moronic, but at least it'd be a genuine minority opinion.
>Does this somehow counterbalance their systematic criminal activity?
yes
Now THAT guy is completely actualized and fulfilled as a person and LOVES his job. I am amazed he doesn't have a visible erection.
>So do other nations?
And? How does that change the fact the ukes had something worthwhile to give us before 2022?
You didn't ask why they should be forgiven for crimes, you were challenging the idea that the ukes offered anything to us before 2022 other than being "the good guy" you fricking moron.
Of course it was a corrupt post soviet shithole. But they were moving towards the EU more and more and as such would become a western ally. While the west has a lot of flaws it’s still far better than other options such as Russia and China.
But all that aside they were attacked first and as such they are the ”good guys” by default since they weren’t the ones who initiated a conflict which resulted in a lot of death and misery. This is on Russia, therefore they deserve a humiliating defeat. Hopefully they are going to get so damn buckbroken that they’ll never be able to bully and scare people in submission ever again. Frick them
>Of course it was a corrupt post soviet shithole. But they were moving towards the EU more and more and as such would become a western ally. While the west has a lot of flaws it’s still far better than other options such as Russia and China.
And they were rightfully denied entry into the EU. Do you know why? Because they not only failed to meet the criteria outlined for entry, but also carried (and still carry) the burden of being a corrupt and untrustworthy shithole. This didn't change in February 2022.
>But all that aside they were attacked first and as such they are the ”good guys” by default since they weren’t the ones who initiated a conflict which resulted in a lot of death and misery. This is on Russia, therefore they deserve a humiliating defeat. Hopefully they are going to get so damn buckbroken that they’ll never be able to bully and scare people in submission ever again. Frick them
Agreed, but if you fail to see Ukraine in the same light for the same reasons we've despised Russia following this war, you'll have made a grave error in judgement. Once Russia has finished fighting themselves to death, do you sincerely believe Ukraine should not be held accountable for their own corrupt practices? I don't deny Russia has committed more inhumane crimes against others, but don't tell me you can't see the trees for the forest here.
Show me Russians overthrowing Putin for being a moronic leader, and I'll see them in the same light as Ukrainians.
Black person you are basically comparing a sardine to a tuna. Both are rotten fish in different forms and I don't need Russia to take any action or inaction to identify Ukraine as corrupt. I'm not saying Russia is the same as Ukraine, I'm saying they're both contemptible.
The date is arbitrary, the point is more that Russian intervention through aggressive conflict has given you forgiving eyes for a duplicitous state.
And do you want me to call you ukranian?
>And do you want me to call you ukranian?
whatever floats your boat, boss
Like I said, Ukraine was corrupt before the war and will be so after the war. Hell, if anything it might even get worse since Zelensky and others within the leadership can use their hero status to get away with a lot of bullshit. But unlike Russia there’s a significant portion of Ukraine that wants to work together more with the EU and this might just be enough to change things for the better. Not a guarantee for sure, but it’s at least a possibility. I can’t say the same for Russia.
Even if they remain corrupt for generations to come it benefits the west more that they’re not under Russian control, that’s a good, albeit cynical reason for me to support Ukraine over Russia
vatnik hurry up and have a nice day already.
Did you even read my post?
>And they were rightfully denied entry into the EU. Do you know why? Because they not only failed to meet the criteria outlined for entry, but also carried (and still carry) the burden of being a corrupt and untrustworthy shithole. This didn't change in February 2022.
You don't seem to know how entering the EU works. They were never denied because they did not officially apply yet. It's a long process.
because more poor corrupt shitholes is what the EU needs, right. no, the only good thing shitholes can do is depopulate.
Again, I agree. Every dead vatBlack folk is an innocent life saved, but Ukraine deserves punishment following this war. Therefore, every dead Ukranian is also an innocent life saved.
That's idiotic. You're equating a corrupt government with a need to kill citizens because you've a child's view of war. In peacetime, you can't just start executing random Ukrainians because "oh you need to be punished".
The only reason people are happy about Russians dying at all at this point is because they're taking part in an invasion with some forced-assimilation undertones.
When the war is over, no one's going to suggest pulling random Russians from their homes and evening out the civilian death tolls. What a moronic take! A brainlet's attempt at impartiality!
You need to be 18 to post here. No. You are warping my thesis by suggesting door to door executions.
>thesis
Please, it's not even a half-formed thought! What other interpretation can be gleaned from you talking about dead Ukrainians being just in the same breath that you talk about dead Russian invaders being just?
How else do you equivocate the two other than through equal action taken, especially in the context of "punishment"? Face it, you've been called out and now you're slinking away from your own argument like a dirty, stinking, yellow-bellied coward who doesn't believe in anything, even his own point of view.
More like you've run out of ways to twist my point into an exaggerated narrative. I've made it clear that Ukraine can't be trusted and why, but all you have is "you can't just kill them both".
not even worth a (You)
you haven’t given a single example of why Ukraine deserves any punishment itt. You keep making vague allusions to corruption and untrustworthiness like that means anything
>I can't defend my stance, so here's le ebin maymay about ~~*You*~~s.
Don't worry, I simulated your argument by playing some fart noises. You formed a clear idea that time, but failed to produce any actual evidence for your theories.
It's just another form of vatBlack person cope
>Whattabout
This war won't last forever. Once it's over, the Ukrainian government must answer to the first world nations if they want to play ball, particularly the U.S. and UK for their direct support. So no, I do put Russia in the spotlight and hot seat first and foremost, but getting backlash for my foresight on Ukrainian activities is something that just comes across as moronic to me. Are you honestly expecting Ukraine to be trustworthy as soon as vatBlack folk run out of bodies to toss into the meat grinder?
No one's expecting them to be immediately trustworthy, but everyone else, including Ukraine, bizarrely enough, seems to think that with Western influence comes a natural burning away of at least some corruption.
You don't get to do that with Russia since they're insulated against Western influence.
Ukraine has a chance, just like several other slavic nations had a chance.
And what has Ukraine done with this "chance" in the past 40 years? The same shit other corrupt nations like Russia do shy of nuclear threats and invasions into sovereign lands. The criminal activity in Ukraine is documented, anon. There are reports, studies, and testimonies supporting the claim that Ukraine has systematically misused its statehood for over 40 years to the bereavement of its citizens. This isn't a validation of Russian claims of murders/suppression in eastern Ukraine or crimea. Those are lies. I'm talking about a holistic view here.
Ukraine's courtship of the west is not in the "past 40 years", therefore the notion that they can magically shrug off all corrupt influences with a hostile state stirring the shit is very very silly indeed.
Perhaps a pathway to NATO would be a way for Ukraine to get itself in order and cast out their corrupt actors? Perhaps they could obtain help from the international community to do so?
But wait... can't do that, because somehow idiots like you think that some nebulous notion of punishment overrides current and future possibilities.
Also: post corruption. I want to hear about these documented activities. We can discuss them once you've posted them.
Actually, I take back that offer. I'm not actually all that interested in hearing your "holistic view" or "criminal activity". I'm going to bed.
You can just kiss my ass instead. Pucker up.
>The criminal activity in Ukraine is documented, anon. There are reports, studies, and testimonies supporting the claim that Ukraine has systematically misused its statehood for over 40 years to the bereavement of its citizens.
[citation needed]
in 2014 they overthrew their corrupt government and installed a more democratic one
They they somehow took an army even more riddled by corruption and ineptitude than the Russian one and turned into a genuinely deadly fighting force
both of these things indicate that Ukraine has a bright future ahead of it, assuming it can fend off the Russians
Bro, you read a comment that said Ukraine was X on a list of most corrupt states in Europe, and somehow that turned you into autistic Batman.
seems like i'll have to explain you few things (not that you are going to read or try to understand them, but whatever)
if you look up the stats about corruption in europe you'll see a clear pattern that the corruption is mostly present in ex-warsaw pact countries in eastern europe.
the reason for that is quite simple - before the collapse of the communism in those region corruption was limited to communist party members and generally people with power, so corruption was not seen as an issue (also if you try to talk about it you'll get whacked)
after the USSR collapsed Russia no longer had the "free" stuff they were getting from their republics or satelite states. Russian manufacturing was seen as inferior to the west and their ex-satellites were too broke to afford anything, so the only way for Russia to keep their income going somehow was to pull the strings that they still had in those satellite states and keep up with businesses that depend on russian exports (mostly energy resources)
quite often that meant making sure their ex-vassals be forever dependent on russia even if the said state has to pay more for russian export that they can get cheaper from somewhere else
and here's where corruption comes into play, because only complete moron would overpay for something they can get cheaper from somewhere else
tl;dr; corruption in eastern europe is directly fueled up by the russian state - intentionally
once Russia is no longer a factor (hopefully soon) corruption in eastern europe will drastically decrease because there will no longer be those useful 5th columnist idiots around here, trying to push for russian interests
Ok, now explain why Ukraine exceeds the other ex-warsaw pact countries in criminal activity, human trafficking, and etc.
Took you a while to think of that, didn't it? Had to ask the commissar what to say?
Not a shock. Your type always need to get your opinions from a superior.
I'm watching hoe-girlve clips on the side. Someone made Miko cry over some moronic shit and it's made me bitter.
because they are so entangled into russia's tentacles that it will take them quite some time
i'm telling you again - see the corruption stars of EE and notice how the more west you go the less corrupt states you get
yes, because when they entered the EU, Russia was too weak to intervene and create a russian republic on their border regions
Ukraine unfortunately couldn't do that because russia is squatting on their clay "peacekeeping" since 2014 (when they kicked out their pro-russian government), the same way they did in 2008 in Georgia, the same way they did in Moldova in the 90's and so on
if no one noticed that pattern by now, we'll have a greater issue here in the nest 10 years
I will keep these points in mind, gather more information, and see what conclusions I reach. This is more damning on Russia if true because it undercuts the record keeping of unlawful behavior in Ukraine.
Thank you for your perspective.
not that anon, but I wasn't expecting this response
homosexual doesn't even realize how corrupt buttholes like Yanukovych was
Even before the election he already had a bunch of filled ballots all around the country
While Russia isn't the sole cause of post-communist countries' corruption, it's certainly a big enabler to it
Even non-ex-communist countries too
When Cyprus tried to flirt with Russia, with business ties and all that, some of the places there turned into one of the favorite destinations for Russian gangsters' vacations
It's so appalling to see that kind of stuff from a big country
China in some ways has become like that too, hiring the Triads, turning a blind eye on fentanyl sales, and all that
Because the other ex Warsaw pact countries are members of NATO and the EU
Except for the central Asian ones of course, which are not coincidentally still hideously corrupt
Most of those ex satellites are safer than Ukraine and we're able to make their way into the EU and/or NATO, so I don't know how strong your example is.
>no one's going to suggest pulling random Russians from their homes
i suggest this since the beginning of the 2000's
>When the war is over, no one's going to suggest pulling random Russians from their homes and evening out the civilian death tolls
Well, as a moderate myself...
they are 100% going to be randomly killing russians by the time this is over
>Ukraine deserves punishment
This is going to be about some schizo bullshit like the magic laptop isn't it
So because "Ukraine [didn't] mean anything to you prior to 2022" you now wish death to it as a nation? I've seen some moronic takes during my time here but sometimes it really hits home what kind of absolute morons I find myself sharing this imageboard with.
>this, therefore that
No you moron, I'm saying support for Ukraine is unjustified aside from their utility as a vatBlack folk killing apparatus.
Ukraine has already been given a chance (multiple) to expunge corruption for decades now. I'm not convinced they're worth saving based on current or past evidence.
On the contrary, nobody cared for Ukraine prior to 2014 (don't act like Russia is only attacking now) because they were being soviet wieners. People care for Ukraine now *because* they are subject to a Russian genocide. When Boris is finally reduced to whatever state is even possible beyond their current collapse, rebuilt Ukraine will have lots to contribute to Europe.
They have had a taste of its soviet future, they now want in on that Western prosperity.
well, i'm a Bulgarian, so yeah, a slavic country meant something for me before 2022, the same way any other slavic or neighboring country mean to me on a daily basis
No no. Don't you see? That's not a real feeling because the teenager concern trolling as a centrist can't leverage those feelings for the sake of empty geopolitics.
In 2014 I was of the opinion NATO should have blockaded the Bosporus over Crimea and then bombed the "separatists" in Donbass when they murdered my citizens in MH117, but I have no more control over what my leaders do than you.
I held the opinion that Obama was a coward for doing frick-all to stop Russia in 2014.
Do you remember when Obama said, "Tell Vladimir, I'll have more flexibility after the election" just before the 2012 election?
Because, I do. I'll always remember.
Congrats, if you weren't on a watchlist before then you are now.
I own guns and post here. I've been on some lists for a long time
If Botswana invented cure for cancer or an infinite battery I would cheer for Botswana even though I didn't care for them before.
Ukraine is doing the next best thing.
Ukraine didn't violate the NAP, Russia did. That alone makes Ukraine the "good guy."
Except the whole shelling civilians in the Donbas thing. Those people didn't want to be a part of Ukraine and shelling them is violating the NAP.
>Please convince me that Ukraine meant anything to you prior to 2022
>2022
How to tell others you're a newbie without using the word
I played stalker a fair bit back then and obviously killed through a frickton of military dudes. I always thought I was killing russians, I had no idea chernobyl was in ukraine lmao, but they speak the same fricking language and shit so how was I supposed to tell.
Anyway that's all I knew about ukraine. Oh and their women are hot.
It's funny that now ukes can legally put russians inside the game as baddies and no one would wonder what the heck are they doing there. I, for one, gonna be disappointed if they don't add red forest trenches as a location inside the game.
1990s in high school I joined a "folk arts council" non-profit organization for credits, met many different people from foreign countries (as is the point of that outfit). Ukrainian MILF was great and the only person I remember from that time besides some ancient German lady who made the best veal bratwurst.
Then later, in the early 2000s, the site "KiddOfSpeed" was an interesting website to visit, it was about a Ukrainian girl who supposedly took motorcycle trips to the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone and had some interesting pictures on that web site. This was back in the olden days of the Internet when randos could make random web pages of their own interest, back when fun was still allowed and before everything because corporate controlled and memeticised for moronic parrots like yourself.
And of course the STALKER game series is spectacular. There was also great memes with that Ukrainian president who got poisoned by Russian subhumans but survived it.
But you wouldn't remember any of this because you're a borderline underage ban who ironically has a short-focus memory based on current thing while you unironically complain about people being npcs focused on current thing. I would suggest you commit seppuku, but you lack the honor for even that.
>/pol/gays being the biggest NPCs on the planet and projecting that onto other people
you love to see it
>I didn't know anything about Ukraine therefore nobody else did
My brother my family is from Chernihiv and I last visited 5 years ago. The Ukrainian people are proud and wish to be independent. The Ukrainians have the same spirit that Rhodesians and revolutionary Americans did. They do not want to be ruled by a foreign power that subjugated and genocided them in the past. Why would anyone ignore the will of the Ukrainian people and not support a population defending its land?
Frick off
>both sides
You aren't unique or special, you're just a homosexual
le both sides are bad!!!!!!!!
kys dumb Black person, and do it painfully
>in every single thread Vatniks are saying that both countries are Le the same
New Puccian troll doctrine?
Contrarian, Puccian... same show. When you make your one objective in life to be opposite of your opposition, when the opposition is right and you are wrong, you obtain the capacity to be very very very wrong indeed.
oh you
>Ukrainians bad because they just are, alright?
Ok Shlomo.
Ukraine is literally run by a israelite you fricking glowBlack person. Are you kidding me?
Seethe more chinkoid
this + Poland
Poland isn't fighting in that war though so russians and ukrainians blowing each other doesn't affect them as much.
the replies to this post alone show how many ukrainian wienersuckers have infested this board, frick nafo, frick reddit, frick telegram, frick russia, frick ukraine
I absolutely adore how you crossposting newbies only seem to bring up that twitter group /chug/ started a fight every time you start whining about Ukraine. It really just goes to show you're not sick of the war, you're just sick of Russia losing.
Reenacting the Attack of the Dead Men.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_of_the_Dead_Men
attack of the shitting men
>twitter
OP is a lazy Black person
https://nitter.it/i/status/1581724134706655232
They're training their immunity for special military operation conditions.
Sounds like a good question for Abraham Lincoln or Jefferson Davis.
>vatniks are also blackedditors
Color me shocked.
No wonder Pajeets are simping for Russia. They want Russians to be like them.
the suffering of others isn't my concern.
I think he's had enough anons
Too bad. The beatings shall continue until post quality improves.
>pallets used for furniture
>pallets used as paving
>pallets used as fuel
>no pallets used for their proper purpose
>Any time The "Holistic" anon talks
I'm gonna start injecting the word "holistic" into other threads just to frick with you now. I'm in your walls, anon.
Its just funny that him using that phrase practically signs a signature on his posts, you know besides the fact his posts are hot garbage too.
He's only used it once in this thread, and like 2 times in another. You're being autistic my dude.
>Russia now claims that this "special operation" was undertaken because the Ukrainians were shelling pro-Russian civilians in the now Russian occupied regions of Ukraine
>not once has Russia provided any evidence that this was taking place there despite their control of the area
>not once has anyone in the West mentioned the lack of evidence for this claim or demanded to see proof for it
>no one talks about the fact that the current suspect leadership of the US impeached the former president for a phone call in which he asked the Ukrainians in assistance for possibly investigating his political rival's son for illegal business dealings in Ukraine
>now that same corrupt political family is in the White House setting policy and sending billions to the very Ukrainians who helped them make their dirty money
>in the lead up to this war it was very clear this corrupt president with the corrupt family actually helped to instigate this war between Russia and Ukraine, and when a peace deal was within reach his regime told the Ukrainians to not accept it
>so everyone in positions of power that is involved in this war has ulterior motives to see it prosecuted and the innocent people caught in the middle who are dying for it are the Ukrainian civilians
>meanwhile, internet NPCs who care nothing about the waste of human life expect you to pick a side like this whole conflict is a black & white issue with good guys and bad guys
They're all bad. The Bidens, the American ruling class, Zelensky, Putin, the CCP, the industrial military complex, the Western leaders in the EU/NATO, the Russian citizens blindly following Putin, the EU citizens who wanted cheap Russian energy, the US citizens who allowed a corrupt political party to steal an election, all of them. Only the suffering people in the middle, the Ukrainians, deserve pity.
I wanna pity my dick in a Ukrainian hotty
Russians can go home at any moment.
>nooo the invader is the same as the invaded don't pick a side!
lmao
Nice reading comprehension you got there you fricking moron
It's very very simple anon. Ukraine had never attacked or created a conflict with anyone in its existence. Russia is in perpetual state of manufactured conflict. Russia has already attacked Ukraine before. Russia invaded Ukraine. You quite literally don't need to know anything more than that.
>You quite literally don't need to know anything more than that.
>don't pay attention to the US and EU corruption and greed! Don't pay attention to Ukraine being a corrupt US puppet state!
>everything is black and white! Just pick a side!
No. I refuse to play your game.
Kindly frick off leavechug/ raider
>don't pay attention to the US and EU corruption and greed!
In what universe does that justify hundreds of thousands of dead people you ducking moron?
Russia is way more corrupt than Ukraine.
corruption is present everywhere, but when you are being corrupted in favor of another country (Russia) that's treason and all you do is leaking capital out of your home country
but since you are a whataboutist here's an example:
>Politician from country A is being corrupted by the Americans to buy American shit - shit is bought and shit works as promised
Politician from country A is being corrupted by the Russians to buy Russian shit - shit is bought overpriced, delays due to "reasons", price goes up in the meantime because overtime there was inflation going on, and if you live to see the final product it just not works
dae all are the same zisters?
There is a difference between pointing out the corrupt dealings of our current President in the nation of Ukraine which obviously is worth noting and incredibly worrying, and equating it to a direct expansionist invasion by a foreign power. They are simply not the same. I fricking hate Biden but I won't for a second pretend that an invasion that takes tens of thousands of lives on both sides due to the bellicose sentiments of a megalomaniac is at all similar. You're being willfully dishonest by simply stating they are all bad: That is true but it is not that simple.
Apologies, this was meant for
The
>b-but they both are corrupt
is literally nothing but an attempt to incite apathy. Literally the same thing that Russians are conditioned to think of the media: hey, everyone everywhere lies, that means that everyone is equally untrustworthy and thus Russian media is actually just as reliable as media elsewhere.
If you think that everything is equally shit, then you care for nothing, do nothing to anything, and that’s exactly what apathy-spreaders want.
You save money since they'll be dead in 2 weeks anyway.
Maybe they intend to pull a Fr*nce and infect the victors (Ukraine) via their POWs and unleash a smallpox pandemic on them.
Well at least these guys have a camp, some russian conscript just get a open field in Middleofnowhererovic
>comments not allowed
More propaganda.
Putin should be giving his troops Xyzal instead of Viagra
my god, how did they get access to classified NATO technology
The problem lies in the fact that Russia can't lose (More importantly Putin can't lose) until he/it actually does lose. Meaning, that when it becomes physically impossible to continue waging war, Putin's a dead man and he knows it. So he will drag this out until that moment. Either he wins by attrition, or he gets whacked. But this will carry out at minimum another year
The enemy gets overburdened taking care of hundreds of thousands of sick POW after they quickly surrender to Ukraine.
Ukraine is kicking Russia’s ass