works well in my cunt also, users have been very happy with them. but there have been problems with the number of operational helos. Norwegian NH90's were assembled in spaghetti land, Finnish and Swedish in Finland. I don't know how much that makes a difference. Sweden also has forgone them for the S-70, but we're staying with them hopefully getting cheap parts from our neighbors.
>I don't know how much that makes a difference
Huge difference. NH-90s biggest problem is the availability of spares
Since Finland and Italy have assembly and maintenance hubs they have access to parts and technicians.
As the lead production and marketing force behind Airbus Helicopters, France was able to take materials and personnel off the production line to support their military operations abroad in a bid to get the NH-90 and Tiger a reputation as "combat proven"
Other countries have difficulty getting parts delivered for months at a time
"months" more like years
spare parts contracts were fucked from the getgo, combined with everyone demanding their snowflake variant, before even the basic variant had its kinks worked out
>combined with everyone demanding their snowflake variant, before even the basic variant had its kinks worked out
Huh, so that's probably why the Finnish Air Force was so adamant about "No national variants, 100% host-country standard" for the new fighters.
>So, maybe it's not copters that are wrong?
Its the supply chain and lying manufacturer that is wrong.
>users have been very happy with them.
Finnish army had flight readiness of NH-90 drop to the point where they had difficulty in keeping pilots flight qualified due to lack of spare parts. Manufacturer couldn't deliver enough spare parts, ones ordered and paid for years ago, when Italians deployed 4 helicopters to Afghanistan and French deployed dozen to Mali. While helicopters now belong to army, there are few supply officers in air force technical depot that have seriously regretted their career choices due to NH-90. Same goes with Patria management, both engine and airframe assembly lines. Airframe assembly line sat on their thumbs for couple months due Airbus helicopters not delivering parts or documentation. Not exactly cheap shit, even if we got one NH-90's for free as compensation for delays and other bullshit. NH-90 is by far the worst military procurement fuck up in Finnish history. Possible positive outcome of Swedes and Aussies getting rid of their NH-90's is that if we buy the aircraft for spare parts cannibalization, we have reliable source for at least some of spare parts.
My country Norway ordered NH90s to be delivered in 2008. Deliveries only started in 2012, and they failed to meet contractual requirements plus had maintenance issues so the contract was cancelled in 2022. I don't know which requirements they failed to meet. Went with Seahawks instead...
>I don't know which requirements they failed to meet.
Probably having a functional weapon systems, all of 'em aside from door mounted machine gun. Norway used NH-90 as land based maritime rescue helicopter, those were purchased as ship based anti-submarine helicopters. SAR role was only thing those were good for.
They didn't just accept they were beaten and buy AW101/Merlin. But instead they thought they could do better than by far the best medium helicopter in the world.
My country Norway ordered NH90s to be delivered in 2008. Deliveries only started in 2012, and they failed to meet contractual requirements plus had maintenance issues so the contract was cancelled in 2022. I don't know which requirements they failed to meet. Went with Seahawks instead...
Fellow Norwegian here. Hei! Delivery and maintenance issues aside, the NH90s we received turned out to have as much as a third less of the promised range. Considering the distances Norway has, this was disastrous. Especially for coastguard use, the sea is kinda large...
Mexico was going to order some for their navy to replace the Mi17 but said the composites around the rear were bending in high heat and cracking in the cold so now are getting more Caracals instead. They were right about the G36 melting.
It was the wrong helicopter for the role.
Straya bought them to replace UH-1H then S-70 Blackhawks as an "Air Assault" style helicopter - to go into Hot LZs or make forward resupply delivery, Dust-off casevacs.
E.g. ADF wanted M134 door guns when the doors are too narrow so needed an over complicated gun mount so it could fold up out of the way - but you couldn't use the gun while troops were using the door like you can with open-sided Hueys or Blackhawks.
Euros designed and built them as a "Tactical Transport" helicopter - to drop troops off behind the battle-lenes and deliver rear logistics or pick up casualties fron a clearing station.
Basically ADF let pilots and technicals make acquisition of a tactical aircraft without considering the actual tactics it was wanted for.
Absolutely shit quality of construction, broken floors, broken steps, broken doors, very low ready rate due to maintenance and too expensive despite all of that, literally Chink tier.
I was flying in the area in the days after the last crash.
Got to speak to a Ghostrider that was running around helping our military look for survivors and to HMAS Adelaide who started handling ATC.
Word on the ground was that they're completely flawed in regards to the tail rotor
Whatever happened it must have been catastrophic because it took them days to find the cockpit and whatever was left of the bodies.
I was astounded that more of them were actually launching from the Adelaide to help look when the whole piece of shit fleet should have been immediately grounded. They were grounded the day after iirc. We won't fly them again.
Neat performances but at the cost of ruggedness, not sure they'd accept the same tradeoffs these days. The frogs are working on a SF operations version with reinforced, elevated landing gear and refueling perch, I'm curious to see how it goes. Even though at that point there are probably more variants than client countries.
NH Consortium grossly overpromised with pretty power points, and vastly underdelivered, in terms of maintenance and logistical supply chain with minimal stock and just-in time delivery ; absolutely unapplicable in military context.
The 2000s have been a bane for military programs in much of the western world anyway.
works well in my cunt also, users have been very happy with them. but there have been problems with the number of operational helos. Norwegian NH90's were assembled in spaghetti land, Finnish and Swedish in Finland. I don't know how much that makes a difference. Sweden also has forgone them for the S-70, but we're staying with them hopefully getting cheap parts from our neighbors.
>I don't know how much that makes a difference
Huge difference. NH-90s biggest problem is the availability of spares
Since Finland and Italy have assembly and maintenance hubs they have access to parts and technicians.
As the lead production and marketing force behind Airbus Helicopters, France was able to take materials and personnel off the production line to support their military operations abroad in a bid to get the NH-90 and Tiger a reputation as "combat proven"
Other countries have difficulty getting parts delivered for months at a time
"months" more like years
spare parts contracts were fucked from the getgo, combined with everyone demanding their snowflake variant, before even the basic variant had its kinks worked out
>combined with everyone demanding their snowflake variant, before even the basic variant had its kinks worked out
Huh, so that's probably why the Finnish Air Force was so adamant about "No national variants, 100% host-country standard" for the new fighters.
>So, maybe it's not copters that are wrong?
Its the supply chain and lying manufacturer that is wrong.
>users have been very happy with them.
Finnish army had flight readiness of NH-90 drop to the point where they had difficulty in keeping pilots flight qualified due to lack of spare parts. Manufacturer couldn't deliver enough spare parts, ones ordered and paid for years ago, when Italians deployed 4 helicopters to Afghanistan and French deployed dozen to Mali. While helicopters now belong to army, there are few supply officers in air force technical depot that have seriously regretted their career choices due to NH-90. Same goes with Patria management, both engine and airframe assembly lines. Airframe assembly line sat on their thumbs for couple months due Airbus helicopters not delivering parts or documentation. Not exactly cheap shit, even if we got one NH-90's for free as compensation for delays and other bullshit. NH-90 is by far the worst military procurement fuck up in Finnish history. Possible positive outcome of Swedes and Aussies getting rid of their NH-90's is that if we buy the aircraft for spare parts cannibalization, we have reliable source for at least some of spare parts.
>I don't know which requirements they failed to meet.
Probably having a functional weapon systems, all of 'em aside from door mounted machine gun. Norway used NH-90 as land based maritime rescue helicopter, those were purchased as ship based anti-submarine helicopters. SAR role was only thing those were good for.
>What's the problem with NH90?
They didn't just accept they were beaten and buy AW101/Merlin. But instead they thought they could do better than by far the best medium helicopter in the world.
I like them both. Most aesthetic copters ever.
My country Norway ordered NH90s to be delivered in 2008. Deliveries only started in 2012, and they failed to meet contractual requirements plus had maintenance issues so the contract was cancelled in 2022. I don't know which requirements they failed to meet. Went with Seahawks instead...
Well one thing you had was that the intended ASW weaponry you ordered for them stopped production before they were even integrated to the chopper.
Fellow Norwegian here. Hei! Delivery and maintenance issues aside, the NH90s we received turned out to have as much as a third less of the promised range. Considering the distances Norway has, this was disastrous. Especially for coastguard use, the sea is kinda large...
Mexico was going to order some for their navy to replace the Mi17 but said the composites around the rear were bending in high heat and cracking in the cold so now are getting more Caracals instead. They were right about the G36 melting.
It was the wrong helicopter for the role.
Straya bought them to replace UH-1H then S-70 Blackhawks as an "Air Assault" style helicopter - to go into Hot LZs or make forward resupply delivery, Dust-off casevacs.
E.g. ADF wanted M134 door guns when the doors are too narrow so needed an over complicated gun mount so it could fold up out of the way - but you couldn't use the gun while troops were using the door like you can with open-sided Hueys or Blackhawks.
Euros designed and built them as a "Tactical Transport" helicopter - to drop troops off behind the battle-lenes and deliver rear logistics or pick up casualties fron a clearing station.
Basically ADF let pilots and technicals make acquisition of a tactical aircraft without considering the actual tactics it was wanted for.
Absolutely shit quality of construction, broken floors, broken steps, broken doors, very low ready rate due to maintenance and too expensive despite all of that, literally Chink tier.
should be used with norwegian frigates, helicopter does not tolerate seawater. Nothing wrong with helicopter, surely users fail kek
the GE engine being picked by the minority was the problem because the spare parts werent really sufficient
How'd that one crash the other month exactly?
What are these things, btw?
UHF antennas
Who is to blame for the failures of european projects? Germans or French, or the US using Germany as puppet ?
You managed not to mention the company actually selling the product that fails? Why?
I was flying in the area in the days after the last crash.
Got to speak to a Ghostrider that was running around helping our military look for survivors and to HMAS Adelaide who started handling ATC.
Word on the ground was that they're completely flawed in regards to the tail rotor
Whatever happened it must have been catastrophic because it took them days to find the cockpit and whatever was left of the bodies.
I was astounded that more of them were actually launching from the Adelaide to help look when the whole piece of shit fleet should have been immediately grounded. They were grounded the day after iirc. We won't fly them again.
Neat performances but at the cost of ruggedness, not sure they'd accept the same tradeoffs these days. The frogs are working on a SF operations version with reinforced, elevated landing gear and refueling perch, I'm curious to see how it goes. Even though at that point there are probably more variants than client countries.
NH Consortium grossly overpromised with pretty power points, and vastly underdelivered, in terms of maintenance and logistical supply chain with minimal stock and just-in time delivery ; absolutely unapplicable in military context.
The 2000s have been a bane for military programs in much of the western world anyway.