whats the point of this caliber in 2023

>5.7 cant even stop modern soft armor
Neither can 9mm
>does worse on flesh than your average 9mm
Outright incorrect. Fast bullet hit harder.

So is .223 but .223 still does way way more damage than 9mm

5.7 preforms better than 9mm on soft targets
Watch any ballistics gel video on it
Its also more likely to pen armor
And it recoils less and you nearly double your mag capacity to 9mm
Its better in every way other than price
So just don't be poor

Funny cause in every video where they gel test it, its better performance than 9mm if not ideal performance and with FMJ rounds too LMAO
Get fucked

LMAO
It preformed better than the 9mm
It dropped more energy and didn't over-penetrate
Ideally, a round would stop in 12 inches of gel
So you don't know what you are talking about and you're clowning yourself.

No thats literally common knowledge that ballistics gel is simply a simulation media and that 12 inches of penetration is ideal lol
Everyone fucking knows this other than you apparently

The caliber debate has been won dude
Caliber doesn't matter
Capacity does
I would rather have 30 rounds of .22lr than 5 rounds of 9mm

Oh yea for sure
But the point is that capacity in the end matters more and shot placment matters more than how a bullet preforms
People who bicker about 40 9mm 45 10mm its all bullshit and all that really mattered in the end was capacity and follow up shots which is why 9mm won the debate
But now 5.7 does all of that better

9mm has nearly the same magazine capacity
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impressive how shit of a shot you are

No it doesn't its not even close
The M&P 5.7 has 22 round mags with no extenders a glock 34 that is the same size holds 17

Bro I have carried 9mm for ages
I'm getting 5.7 cause its better in every way
Cry about it

9mm is simply too heavy. Feels like bricks in comparison and I'm never hanging a duty sized Glock off my waist ever again no seething will change that. This offends people who have their identity wrapped up in a 100+ year old object but it's the truth. 9mm is outdated.

We've already pointed out numerous reasons you've handwaved I'm simply telling you I'm not going to hang a 3lb SAA off my belt because you're emotionally invested in black powder. Technology advances.

If it was nothing but 9mm but lighter id still want it.

>rimfire isn't reliable
Stop buying bucket ammo

I haven't posted an paper targets, you conclusion jumping homosexual.
You try shooting raccoon at dusk and get back to us, you motherfucking fucking nagger.

you're the one whining like a retarded woman.

I guess the only other real problem with 5.7 is its lack of adoption so there are few guns made for it and the ones that are in 5.7 are all full size handguns
But if your EDC gun is a glock 17 it just doesn't make sense to not swtich over to a 5.7 its basically the same size, thinner actually but you increase capacity by 10 to a 17

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>I shot dozens of raccoons and the 5.7's wounds were far nastier
damn thats impressive

Even with hollow points?
I would like to know more

no he used an AR , but half the victims died to crossfire from the cops lmao

also one of the gays left through an emergency exit and held it shut behind him , so all the gays were stacked up and killed lmao

Fort Hood “workplace violence” shooting in 2009

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The P90 is FNH's best selling product per head of FNH global sales interview with Larry Vickers. He'd be the guy to know and not a single person would say the MAG/240/249 are unsuccessful yet the P90 "isn't widespread" despite selling like hotcakes.

The P90 sells because it's cool, the SS used it because it's cool. Simple as. You've really never been involved in any agency in your life have you? Sometimes it's really not about what's best but what you just wanna carry for the fuck of it. Dudes thought it fit well under their coats and had good handling indoors so they wrote up a memo and wallah, the P90 is apparently now the best gun to protect the most corrupt man in the world. I'd take a P90 over a handgun because it has 50 rounds on tap and can clear indoors easily, especially if it's full auto in case suppressive fire is needed. I wouldn't take one over an SBR in pretty much any of the popular rifle calibers, because it underperforms them. This is objective fact. It underperforms handgun rounds too in most applications. It will never be adopted as a duty caliber because it can't penetrate something like a windshield or piece of furniture without serious deflection due to lack of mass. It's somewhere between a rifle and handgun caliber and manages to suck at both, but 50 fucking rounds and such a short presented length is indeed neat. For most applications I'd take a 9mm handgun with 2 spare mags over it though, it just does more but yeah the cool factor isn't there.

henlo nogunz
u stinky eurostani nogunz

A part of shooting firearms.

>FN's best selling product globally only sells well because it looks cool
9mm cope is reaching new heights. Pretty soon I'm going to need a balloon to tell them they're stupid to their face.

Lol nocontracts.

Again I think this whole post is one poorfag seething about a round that they think they can't afford so hard that they don't even realize that's not the case anymore lol. Back when only FN made the guns and only FN made the ammo and set the price accordingly, a LOT of people made up their mind that it was just .22mag for 5x times cost (wasn't true then, isn't true now) and are refusing to adjust their opinion to new information, like the fact that the main downside to 5.7 has always been cost.

Personally, I think I'll probably keep carrying a 9mm handgun but man I sure do think my 5.7 carbine is better than my 9mm carbine in every single area except cost per round.

It's fundamentally a poorfag argument. And like, thinking the shit's too expensive for its improvements over rounds that have been the standard for a very long time is not an invalid position to take, but the amount of seething ITT about 5.7 to me says that this person is personally invested in proving that they already have the best kit and nothing will ever be better than the platforms they've built their identity around.

>P90
>rifle

You're talking to a zoomer who never read that post. Zoomerlore about the GWOT is a thing.

Multiple seals have basically said that in interviews, yeah. And yet, they still love it, which means that even though they're hosing down every kill with 15-20rds, they're still picking it for certain situations.

Interestingly, LEO testimony about 5.7 says the opposite, that it's extremely effective at killing unarmored targets out of a 10.5" barrel and from what I've read tends to leave devastating wounds with projectiles that don't exit the body.

Again nobody in this thread has ever fired an MP7 and never will unless HK gets real cool real quick (they wont), but supposedly they love the form factor, capacity, extremely lightweight rounds mean you can carry a fuckload of it no sweat, and it shoots extremely smooth, and recoils like a damn airsoft gun.

And probably most importantly, it looks cool as fuck and most of those dudes care about that a LOT more than people realize.

If HK weren't such massive homosexuals they'd just chamber the fucking gun in 5.7 but they are so they don't. 5.7 was found in the NATO PDW trials to be across-the-board obviously superior to 4.6 but the fucking Krauts sperged out and flipped the table and delayed NATO PDW standardization for literally 20 years.

I guess I more meant it in the sense that none of us have any comprehensive experience and I don't count spending a few hundred bucks to put 2 mags through the gun on a static range while an RSO holds your shoulders like he's teaching his date how to golf, which I think we'll agree are pretty different experiences. That's still cool and I fully plan on doing the same at some point.
>It's mk18 sized
The Mk18 is 26" fully collapsed, 30" extended, the MP7 is 16" collapsed and 25" fully extended. It's certainly bigger than most people realize but even with the stock fully extended it's still smaller than a mk18 in its smallest possible configuration and significantly smaller in its stowed configuration
>Also the ch kept coming out the back for some reason. Doesn't auto latch with a forward bolt like a ar does.
Anon, the odds that that was because you were shooting a clapped out rental gun that has had tens of thousands of rounds magdumped through it full auto by retards is about 1000%

What I mean is reliability and people's opinions on it really don't mean much
And you shouldn't trust your own opinions because the data set in your mind causing you to prefer brand over other brand and the data set is tiny.
Its why a single mud test or freeze test video from a big youtuber can completely change how people view a gun.
But it most modern semi auto glock copies are reliable if not more reliable than glocks.

I have an LC Charger and it's got the same FCG as the 57. The trigger is fine in a carbine format but the reset is definitely a little goofy and takes some getting used to, and I could for sure see it being extremely annoying in a handgun.