What's the oldest Sovet fighter that could be made relevant with modern Western upgrades?

What's the oldest Sovet fighter that could be made relevant with modern Western upgrades?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    MiG-23-98 or MiG-21-93.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed on MiG 21. That with a modern engine, avionics and missiles is still a very viable interceptor.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Is an interceptor even relevant, though? Multirole seems to do everything better. At any rate, I definitely would put money on a MiG-21 with a skilled pilot and Western upgrades.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Multirole seems to do everything better.
          does that matter when you simply need to intercept enemy CAS to degrade an enemy's air superiority?

          interceptors are useful for intercepting, and that's still a function that needs to be filled in modern air combat
          MiG-21 on full burner with modern A2A would still be able to function today

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm being conservative, as far as multirole, I'd say MiG 23.

          https://i.imgur.com/qUaUGgn.jpeg

          Not even joking, it can penetrate the airspace of the worlds 2nd military and can carry 6 Brimstone missiles.

          Random drone pilots would be getting into fistfights over intercepting those. Meanwhile elderly AAA crews are weeping too hard to lay and fire on such a delicate yet magnificent creature.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You know damn well they would be flying right through Russian AD and somehow end up emptying every last munition into the taxi line at Moscow airport followed by a maneuver kill as a KA-52 tries to chase it as it flies 15 feet over the street before hiding in the Moscow subway.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Gonna need a flight plan for that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It could actually reach, barely. You would have to ditch half the payload, remove the observer and rig a extra fuel tank in the rear seat if you wanted to return but it could work.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Realistically you would use it as night harassment in low priority areas. Sneak past the border, lob a brimstone 2 at a minor target then flee. Basically randomly exploding back road bridges, gas stations and police offices.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >MiG-23-98
      The mig-23 would make a great BVR fighter with modern avionics and weapons. It has a big nose for a large radar, space under the nose for an IR sensor like the F-35. It's absurdly fast above mach 1 I don't think any 4th gens can even catch it as long as it sticks to BVR. As built it was fairly useless because it's avionics and weapons were totally unsuited to long range BVR.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not even joking, it can penetrate the airspace of the worlds 2nd military and can carry 6 Brimstone missiles.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I said "fighter" not "recon." That being said, computerize it with anti-drone guided rockets and it might be useful.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        2x seven-tube guided hydra 70 pods and 2x stingers should fit, *poof* it's a multi role Stealth fighter.

        I dare any F-22 pilot to face an equivalent cost of them in combat.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/qUaUGgn.jpeg

          Not even joking, it can penetrate the airspace of the worlds 2nd military and can carry 6 Brimstone missiles.

          I said "fighter" not "recon." That being said, computerize it with anti-drone guided rockets and it might be useful.

          APKWS:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Precision_Kill_Weapon_System

          Ground and A2A in one package.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >irl battletech locust swarm test
          based cost efficiency min-maxer

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            To ensure victory ditch the stingers, the visually guided 2.75 rockets will be enough. The credits saved will let you buy a few thousand more planes.

            Assuming mass production and the cheapest possible helmet/laser designator $150,000 including pilot training seems reasonable, our F-22 pilot faces 1800 biplanes.

            Total KPLA-AF theatre air supremacy mode: Unmodified planes with guns only, $25k each; 14,400 planes. 500-600 would be unarmed two seat trainers so 14k Vs one F-22. He HAS to fight, otherwise they have enough range to reach his airbase, land and shoot him with pistols.

            He is doomed although he does become the greatest ace in history when as a last act of frustration he sanic booms into the heart of the swarm.

            The legacy costs of the fleet double as all survivors are given apartments in Pyongyang and State Mandated GFs.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              "Sir, boggies too slow to engage. Suggest emergency equipping of ground crews with Winchester 1200 AAA System."

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >He is doomed although he does become the greatest ace in history when as a last act of frustration he sanic booms into the heart of the swarm.
              Nightmare of Solomon approves

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Theorycraft scenario: What would happen if Monke Prime decided to go this route and equip 10k mobiks with cheap canvas planes, dumb fire rockets and basic piloting skills? What would be the effect on the battlefied? How would Ukies counter it? Most importantly, would it be /k/ino?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Issue is Ukraine is far better equipped to deal with them than Russia. The logical (for Russia) would to use them like WW2: Constant low level night harassment attacks against any available target no matter how minor. Knowing Putin he will choose 5 pre-announced consecutive daylight attacks on Kiev during national 'Bring Your KPV To Work' week.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      are wood and canvas biplanes able to launch missiles without being fricked up by them tho
      has it ever been tried or even simulated?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Should not be that huge an issue, depending on the launch profile of course.
        Considering that L4's used to slap batteries of bazooka tubes on their lift struts, and O1's used to sling 2.75" rocket pods.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          maybe i'm overestimating the launch forces then

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not really. Something like a MB-1 while decidely effective, would probably blow the covering off most dope&fabric warbirds. Some missiles and postWW2 rockets have a delay, some go off right near the plane.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Should not be that huge an issue, depending on the launch profile of course.
        Considering that L4's used to slap batteries of bazooka tubes on their lift struts, and O1's used to sling 2.75" rocket pods.

        maybe i'm overestimating the launch forces then

        Not really. Something like a MB-1 while decidely effective, would probably blow the covering off most dope&fabric warbirds. Some missiles and postWW2 rockets have a delay, some go off right near the plane.

        PO-2s can use S-5 rockets so Hydra-70s and stingers should be fine. A Hellfire, TOW, or Brimstone (Sidewinder???) would probably go between the wheels so you would want to refit the underside with fiberglass.

        I think APKWS would be best but i can't figure out how to use a designator through a prop, use a helicopter helmet and put the laser at the front of the top wing? The observer would probably get replaced with electronics, fuel and a generator, a *minor* issue with modernization is that i don't think it has any meaningful power. I'm not even sure if it has a battery.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Realistically, the Fulcrum and Flankers. All older Soviet Jets are hopelessly outdated except as kamikaze drones.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >a fully bomb-laden MiG-21 drone plunging into Lenin's Mausoleum
      I've just discovered a new superior ED medicine.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >MiG-15bis homosexual
    lmao no wonder soviets have so much aids.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mikoyan bros, what happened with our fighters? why do Sukhoi gays keep mogging us?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because a fat ass and the ability to carry heavy ordnance beats agile little manoeuvre fighters

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Because a fat ass and the ability to carry heavy ordnance beats agile
        American pre-Vietnam air doctrine bros we are SO BACK

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Mikoyan was merged into UAC with every other design bureau (keep in mind the Soviet system was design bureau /= production factory).

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mig-19 if in ground attack role only, La-250 (not depicted) if in Recon role only.

    For fighter aircraft in fighter roles, then Mig-21 and/or Su-7.

    (Also, the Mig-25 is longer than a B-17).

    Since you posted a Yugoslav fighter, the answer is none of them, but for ground attack, then the Kraguj for COIN and the Jastreb/Glaeb for traditional ground attack.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Until this pic I always assumed the MIG 15 and 17 were the same size

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pic is correct, Mig-17 has a larger engine with an afterburner.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A foxbat that was made of titanium instead of steel, with improved engines would be terrifyingly fast.
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  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you heavily upgrade the upcoming su-57 felon, it MIGHT become equivalent to a F14 or something from that era

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Ikarus
    >naming your aircraft manufacturer after the mythological character famous for plunging to his death after his wings are destroyed
    Bold move.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    India should have never stopped producing the MiG-21

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But I hope they get sold to North Korea when retired.
    https://simpleflying.com/india-retire-mig-21-fleet/

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