What's the best melee weapon and why is it the Halberd?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >talks about halberds as weapons
    >posts a 18th century toy soldier halberd
    what did op mean by this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just classic clueless halberdfag, at least didnt mistake a poleaxe for a halberd

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally wrong.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      only right answer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      spear, pike, axe, hammer - all in one convenient tool. who wouldn't love it?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the poors who can't afford one

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          in my mercenary company everyones armed and armored, the company will provide if you don't have your own

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Hires retards who can't afford
            equipment
            >The people with actual training and experience would all have own shit
            >Leaving you with the rejects
            >They get killed because the actually GOOD men at arms all got hired by people who could afford to pay them
            Why do you want to be poor?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the company provides both actual training and on the job training opportunities often enough

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >spear, pike, axe, hammer - all in one convenient tool. who wouldn't love it?
        >pollaxe
        >pike
        ?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          referring to the talon

          A pollaxe is just a shitty lucerne hammer

          no axe, therefore shit

          also a lucerne is (literally, in terms of development) just a bec de corbin with a split hammer face and a spear added - basically a poleaxe ripoff for manlets

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >referring to the talon
            The entire advantage of a pike over a spear is reach. The "talon" doesn't make a fucking pollaxe a fucking pike. It makes it a fucking half-pike, another weapon that ALSO had a talon and limited reach.

            >no axe, therefore shit
            Got a split hammer instead. Better for mauling. Axe or hammer will shred unarmored all the same but hammer's better for armored.
            >also a lucerne is (literally, in terms of development) just a bec de corbin with a split hammer face and a spear added
            Incorrect. A lucerne hammer is a subcategory of bec de corbin. It's not considered a separate weapon type. So it's literally just a bec de corbin. I called it a lucerne hammer to specify the attachments involved.

            Also, as a further point of clarification, the classic pollaxe that isn't just a fucking dwarf halberd, the axe+hammer+spike variant is a direct downgrade across the board to the lucerne hammer.

            Axe is worse split hammer. Hammer is worse bec de corbin. Spike's a spike.

            And if I wanted to be a pedant, I'd point out historically lucerne hammers were actually sometimes called pollaxes as well as becs de corbin, despite having no axe head. They were pollaxe derived, after all. Or put another way, they're a pollaxe but stronger.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >pike
              >half-pike
              i wonder what these things might possibly have in common
              >Axe is worse split hammer
              this is like calling an apple a worse orange. hammers don't shred anything, they aren't for cutting

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A pollaxe is just a shitty lucerne hammer

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the best weapon in this image is that absolute watermelon ass

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would imagine a suit of carbon-fiber armor affixed with spikes. Just go berserk and charge/hug the enemy. Cf. rope/fork rig as seen in end-episdoe of "The Terror."

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd vastly prefer a spear, halberd is the choice of uninformed plebs. If in my armor, maybe a poleaxe.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if you're wearing armor, yes. If unarmored, spear and shield.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you're in armor you want a poleaxe, spear, or even longsword if you can't manage either. Halberds aren't great for close fighting, which is a huge part of what you're doing in armor, either again at someone else in armor, or the three plebs who are trying to get you on the ground and stab you.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're talking about duels in armour. They were a major driving force for weapons development. Battles demanded different approach, they were hectic, they required quickness, versatility and range. By the time Halberds came around, spears were phased out. Halberds vogue's, and partisans took their place. Similarily guisame and bardiche made axes obsolete. Halberd was tremendous piercing and slashing weapon, hook and edge added to the mass of the weapon, with enough force it would crush armour with ease, and since battles didn't allow for fancy footwork, it's range was a major advantage. Only way to counter them was to employ even longer weapons, that's how pikes came back.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I thought halberd came into favor to counter pikes, not the other way around.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            halberds and halberd-like weapons were at their peak directly preceding the pike
            the extra-long pike meant you needed a longer pike to counter their pikes, and the arms race quickly led to the halberd no longer being able to directly compete

            not totally shut out of use, but the main battlefield role gave way to pikes
            and when firearms became more pronounced then that was it, pike and shot became the new state of the art

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Spears were phased out
          They absolutely were not.
          >Muh versatile halberd
          Absolute ass in a close press. Poleaxed weren't, which is why men at arms used them. It has nothing to do with dueling and everything to do with being able to kill men at an arms length away, which a halberd can't do.

          >Quickness
          A halberd is one of the absolute slowest moving polearms. Fucking ready.

          >Easily crush armor
          No. Isn't fucking real life.

          [...]

          Duels or not, I was mainly talking about the USER not the TARGET.
          The main issue these weapons have is zero protection for the user.
          Longword, Halberd, poleaxe yadda yadda. They are mainly used by armored soldiers.

          Which is why I chose spear and SHIELD for unarmoured.

          The spear is problematic for use against armored opponents, be it war or duels. As is the longsword (less so if it's a 1v1 due to grappling etc).

          You lose a massive amount of flexibility, speed, leverage, and striking power with a shield. It isn't always a good idea.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/YQleXUq.jpg

        You're talking about duels in armour. They were a major driving force for weapons development. Battles demanded different approach, they were hectic, they required quickness, versatility and range. By the time Halberds came around, spears were phased out. Halberds vogue's, and partisans took their place. Similarily guisame and bardiche made axes obsolete. Halberd was tremendous piercing and slashing weapon, hook and edge added to the mass of the weapon, with enough force it would crush armour with ease, and since battles didn't allow for fancy footwork, it's range was a major advantage. Only way to counter them was to employ even longer weapons, that's how pikes came back.

        Duels or not, I was mainly talking about the USER not the TARGET.
        The main issue these weapons have is zero protection for the user.
        Longword, Halberd, poleaxe yadda yadda. They are mainly used by armored soldiers.

        Which is why I chose spear and SHIELD for unarmoured.

        The spear is problematic for use against armored opponents, be it war or duels. As is the longsword (less so if it's a 1v1 due to grappling etc).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >against armored opponents
          fully armoured that is.

          And of course this opens up the discussion of what "armoured" means in regards to targets, but the use of 2 handed weapons like these demands at least hand and arm protection.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it the hablerd though? Does anyone have any video reference on how the halberd is superior in practice in a sparring event?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spears are the AK-47 of the medieval world

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What’s the AR then? Bill hooks?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        messer

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wooden cudgel

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AK is more like a club than anything

      a bolt action rifle is the spear, used to be quite literally

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    end game medieval can opener

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why would you want this over a normal spear? adding more garbage at the end just makes it unwieldly

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