What's the best long gun for home defense?

What's the best long gun for home defense?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The best long gun is the one you got.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    whats the shotgun?
    regarding the question
    suppressed sbr pcc

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >whats the shotgun?
      It's some flavor of Benelli, I recognize the "comfortech" stock.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Benelli m2. Theyre pretty sweet.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >PCC
      I too enjoy rifle-sized packages with the vaunted stopping power of a handgun

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The difference in muh stopping power doesn't really matter though, and the additional point of contact removes the primary disadvantage handguns have vs rifles.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >handguns are not substantially worse than rifles and shotguns at killing people
          Yikes

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >handguns are not substantially worse than rifles and shotguns at killing people
            I didn't say that you tard. Again, the biggest factor is that handguns will always be harder to achieve the same level of accuracy with vs a long gun, and a PCC or throwing a stock on a pistol fixes that.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Instead of a small rifle, you opt for a large handgun, not because it's not worse than a rifle (because it is substantially worse), but because it's better than a pistol?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >b-but it's worse than a rifle caliber
                The difference is minor, and you can get in 60% more practice for your $$$ right now with a PCC which is more likely to make a difference than the small extra bit of margin of error that rifle ammunition could offer on your shot placement (given correct ammo choice).

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >n-n-noo you can't just practice with a rifle you have to use my peepeesee gun that the instagrammers use!
                Not even a "it'll suppress better," just "buh buh it's not THAT much worse!"
                Have you considered that you aren't required to use the objectively inferior caliber in a large format weapon?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who are you quoting?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who are you planning to let rape your wife and children when you shoot them with lol9mm instead of a real caliber from your rifle-sized gun?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >retard bases his idea of how guns work on memes
                Fuck off.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >retard doesn't base his opinion off the objective fact that rifle calibers are substantially more lethal than pistol calibers

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        9mmbrain, embrace the gospel of 5.7

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mosin with bayonet

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh man, I remember being poor and 18 and my mosin bayonet combo being my only self defense.
      I'd always figured I'd just whack the crazed rapist with the butt end.
      Never forget your roots.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    muh dick

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    12 gauge shotgun, dont let any retard on here tell you different

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based and shotty-pilled. Bonus point for Winchester 1300.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Its actually a 1200 Defender

        whats the shotgun on the bottom?

        Its a Remington 870 Police Magnum with a elzetta light mount, a sidesaddle and a tube extension. Pic related

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't know remington made handguards like that
          very slick

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The police models had the corncob forearms.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      whats the shotgun on the bottom?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      which of the three do you like most?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have 7 12 gauge shotguns, all but one are pump action. I collect ones that interest me, usually old riot guns. The one I'd reach for if something broke bad would be one of the two 870s in that picture. The Winchester is great, so is my Ithaca 37, etc etc. But older 870s are so rock solid its hard to beat.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The best gun for home defense is pretty much whatever you enjoy shooting and therefore practice and shoot well with. Real world self defense scenarios don't get crazy enough that the capability differences between guns become a serious concern so long as your gun is reliable and isn't a single shot rifle/shotgun or a derringer.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    20" AR15 with green tips

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      11.5" AR-15 with 77gr SMK

      >20" AR15 with green tips
      He's not protecting his house from steel helmets at 600 yards

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based

      11.5" AR-15 with 77gr SMK

      >20" AR15 with green tips
      He's not protecting his house from steel helmets at 600 yards

      >11.5’’ AR
      Ok manlet

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shotguns are pretty universally renowned for "stopping power" 3 inch 00 buck shells are launching 9 .33 diameter pellets each with 9mm equivalent kinetic energy.
    Rifles are a close second with a pretty devastating effect and faster follow up shots, so situationally even better.

    A handgun is a far far third.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Or, alternatively. 15 pellets (00 buck still) each at roughly .32 equivalent kinetic energy. That kind of mass dump into a body tends to just drop and flop an unarmored target.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      2.75" 00 buck is 9 pellet. 3" is hotter 9 pellet or 12 pellet.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yep. I accounted for that in my calculations. Remington 3" 00 is 15 pellets.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    my dick

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would say a 11.5 556 sbr with a can shooting 55gr v-max or an 8" suppressed sbr in 300blk with 110gr vmax. Shotguns with do it also but pen a lot. At the end of the day the best gun is the one you have at hand not the one you wish you had

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Flamethrower. They can't pawn ashes for crack, plus I'd like to see someone high on bath salts try and walk off napalm. On a similar note, RPGs are both an effective mobility tool for dealing with crackheads and a fast method of destroying property before its stolen

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sbr 30carbeen

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >long gun for home defense
    overkill much?
    just get a .45acp

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >very small
    >very light
    >recoils about as soft as a 20" AR
    >can use subsonic ammo no problem
    >easy to shoot one-handed even without using brace
    >just werkz
    >so cheap that you won't miss it when it goes into an evidence locker
    For your consideration, a plastic AR9.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    20mm's.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    granted I haven't done rigorous searching, but why isn't there more coverage for sub-sonic, suppressed 22's?
    don't blow your ears indoors and the nature of 22 -> paintball-style multitap to the face
    what I'm saying is where are all the "22's in a defense scenario" videos to match the number of "birdshot for defense????"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I imagine because subsonic have a hard time cycling in a lot of semi auto .22's unless they're specifically set up for it and if we're gonna be kitting out a gun to tap home invaders it just seems like there's other, better options.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        that's exactly what I'm thinking too, but again, I wanna see the publicized videos actually testing the scenario of a person setting up and actually acclimating to a kit to peak efficiency
        it has disadvantages, but why not use one of the major advantages of 22 (cost) to address this (send thousands of rounds to 150% nail into which brands/loads cycle 100%, all while breaking in at a fraction of the cost)
        what absolutely baffles me is that this hobby pores over every minute detail and every other permutation has been thoroughly tested under the sun in the name of "self-defense", but not suppressed 22 (again, hundreds of videos and articles covering the efficacy of fuckin BIRDSHOT). I'm starting to believe it's a matter of the crowd being obsessed with defending their property find 22 to be "unmanly" or something.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The correct answers varies wildly depending on your living conditions, anon.

    Do you have to worry about over-penetration?

    Are you in a jurisdiction with restrictions?

    Is mobility limited in your home?

    A 12 ga. in #1 or #4 will handle business with the fewest needed shots to stop. 00 Buck, if you don’t have to worry about over-penetration.

    Live by yourself and in the middle of nowhere? No reason not to look at rifles. If money’s not an issue, something in .300 with a can would be kino, but PSA’s JAKL allows poors to get a taste of the folding piston life. Fiocchi’s V-Max .223 minimizes risk of OP and ups your hydro shock value.

    If all that sounds like too much, just get a handgun in a caliber you like, slap on a light, a hi cap mag, and good defensive ammo.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on the layout of your home and what is available to you. Generally the gun you own. If you can hit things reliably under stress and know the layout of your house, the type of weapon is almost irrelevant.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    SBR'd bullpup, pick your flavor. MDR, X95. AUG, all have short barrels. Ideally with a flow through can.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shotgun > pcc > pistol

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people care as much as they do about capacity when it comes to long guns for home defense?

    Consider the following stats for police shootings:
    >when one officer is shooting an average of 3.59 rounds are fired and 51% of rounds fired hit the target
    >when two officers are shooting an average of 4.98 total rounds are fired and 23% of rounds fired hit the target
    >when three or more officers are shooting an average 6.48 total rounds are fired and 9% of rounds fired hit the target
    https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/117909-Study-reveals-important-truths-hidden-in-the-details-of-officer-involved-shootings/

    Then consider those stats involve people who mainly use handguns, that most police officers only shoot 200 rounds per year between their biannual qualifications that are so easy people with barely any shooting experience can pass it, and that a police officer's job is to chase after people which leads to protracted firefights that drive up those round counts. Also consider the cases over those average round counts are also going to mainly be contributors toward those low accuracy numbers.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you're telling me, that the demographic that toys with contingencies, wouldn't take the opportunity to trace another contingency?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Except there really isn't a logical way for a case to play out where capacity is a serious concern in a long gun being used by someone who actually cares to practice regularly. The most attackers shot in a home defense case that wasn't a planned out last stand with an attacker who gave advanced notice of the day they were coming is only 4. There's a difference between being prepared and living in a fantasy world.

        More bullets = more chances to hit. I would rather post up on a corner with an AR and mag dump than try to rack another round into a shotgun with my shaky adrenaline hands. Shotguns are a meme in this day and age. I stove piped a shot shell when goose hunting 13 years ago and it was the most infatuating thing. Can't imagine how scared I would be if it happened and the geese were shooting back as they flew away.

        >More bullets = more chances to hit
        Why would anyone stand around and continue to give you chances to hit?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Why would anyone stand around and continue to give you chances to hit?
          Because home intruders are fucking retarded and might be shooting back as they fall to the ground. Home defense is a lot different than self defense out in public.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Because home intruders are fucking retarded and might be shooting back as they fall to the ground
            So how many times do you plan on missing? The time people are going to stay exposed rather than running back the way they came if you start shooting at them is minimal. Even if one did fall and decide to start shooting at you, you still wouldn't have time to shoot many rounds.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      More bullets = more chances to hit. I would rather post up on a corner with an AR and mag dump than try to rack another round into a shotgun with my shaky adrenaline hands. Shotguns are a meme in this day and age. I stove piped a shot shell when goose hunting 13 years ago and it was the most infatuating thing. Can't imagine how scared I would be if it happened and the geese were shooting back as they flew away.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >stove piped a shot shell when goose hunting 13 years ago
        devil's advocate: outdated anecdotal evidence is how fudd lore is created. not trying to change your mind, but modern technologies and past-failure cognizance have greatly alleviated this (e.g. the deliberately overgassed beretta 1301)

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I meant to say 3 years ago; I don't even remember what shotgun I was using for harvesting fowl 13 years ago. What you're saying is still true though. Any story like that is purely anecdotal and should be taken as such, but that was just my personal experience and the reason I wont use a shotgun for home defense.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This might be shocking to you newguns, but you need to practice with firearms in order to get gud. I hate when some fuckin retard like you posts their moronic opinion based on their complete lack of experience shooting

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          i dont know someone who has been hunting for 13 years might have some experence with a shotgun anon

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            He meant 3 years ago for one. And two, shooting birds is a hell of a lot different than doing tactical shit.
            >t. Former tactical team for county task force and patrol officer, general shotgun enthusiast since childhood.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Suppressed bullpup SBR is BY FAR the superior choice.
    >small
    >stoppin powah
    >won't fuck your ears
    >balance makes it quicker to point than anything but a handgun
    >can be wielded with one hand far easier than conventional rifles
    It's really the perfect HD gun.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I keep a Mossberg 500 next to the bed. I have several go fast sbr AR's in the closet, but buckshot will do the job just fine. A bonus is if I actually have to use it then the police are just confiscating a $350 gun that I can replace in 30 minutes instead of a $1,500+ rifle. It's the super cheap, super reliable, super effective trifecta.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      also
      >the jury doesn't want you to know this one trick!
      wood furniture

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