What's the best Euro IFV?

What's the best Euro IFV?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Finnish BMP-2

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically better than the stuff Russians and Ukrainians are currently using in this the war.
      >thermal optics
      >thermal cloak
      >new comms and satellite nav
      >better situational awareness thanks to the new optic/sensor suite and rear-facing external camera
      >improved passenger comfort
      >storage compartments and standoff plates that act as lightweight spaced armor
      But 1st tier FDF units of course have CV90s. The point of the upgrade was to extend the life of the BMP-2 fleet and bring them closer to the CV90 and Leo 2 units in terms of optical and electronic performance.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Jeep wrangler with a BMG and ERA

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >ERA
      ??

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    BMP-2

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Volkswagen Passat

    • 1 year ago
      T-I-G-E-R-S

      Underrated

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CV90

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      CV90 / Strf 9040

      >He has only twenty-four (24) round ready to fire
      Literal bong-tier moronation

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Laughs in American
        >Has one of the worst IFVs in service
        Nice self own kek

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >one of the worst IFVs in service
          The Bradley has more kills than all euro IFVs combined. cope, seethe, prostate you dumbass

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Kraut IFV by far superior

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Kraut IFV
              The Krauts have zero (0) seconds of combat experience since 1945. Try again sweetie

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              How many countries are using it?
              How many are in existence?
              How many hours of combat has it seen?
              How many kills does it have?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            And either T54/55 or T72 has the most tank kills of all in service tanks. Doesn’t make it the best tank, though.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Trust me bro

              Lol OK grandpa. You don't think swapping out the Bradley for any other IFV with an ATGM would have achieved the same if not better? Dumb frick kek

              >le hypothetical vehicle swap
              It is ok to admit that the Burgers made the best IFV known to man

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The burgers
                >talking about yourself in 3rd person
                Schizo lmao
                Meanwhile in reality you cannot refute the point, I'd argue most would have done better given Euro IFVs are generally better protected and faster.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >trust me
                It’s very likely T54/55 and the various copies. Vietnam, India-Pakistan and the middle eastern Wars alone have more tanks killed by that model than Abrams has killed in total. Go add the numbers yourself. Then we still have to count Africa, which will likely grant us another 500-1000 kills. As the T55 is technically still in service in some countries, it’s the most successful current MBT by your metric.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Abrams
                I doubt the Abrams (M1a1) has many kills given the Bradley did most of the work and the M1a2 doesn't have any tank on tank kills I don't think or can't find a source for?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Great now do it by k/d metrics

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Guy said most kills was the metric. The entire point is that kills alone are a shit metric, because it would make T54/55 a better tank than Abrams.
                But thank you for your service.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Lol OK grandpa. You don't think swapping out the Bradley for any other IFV with an ATGM would have achieved the same if not better? Dumb frick kek

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It has a worse K/D than warrior. Go make a thread and cry about it.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Hello Warriortard. Staying up a bit late tonight?

              >trust me
              It’s very likely T54/55 and the various copies. Vietnam, India-Pakistan and the middle eastern Wars alone have more tanks killed by that model than Abrams has killed in total. Go add the numbers yourself. Then we still have to count Africa, which will likely grant us another 500-1000 kills. As the T55 is technically still in service in some countries, it’s the most successful current MBT by your metric.

              >the most successful current MBT
              Here I am thinking that this discussion was about IFVs, strange

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Warriortard is the American manchild from florida who has brits living in his head rent free.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          At least the chain gun fires continuously

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Until somone throws a rock at it and it explodes or the driver rolls it

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >driver rolls it
              >all other IFVs cannot be rolled in combat
              how are you this stupid?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >rolled in combat
                >rolled in training
                >known for rolling because of bad optics
                Again, you have a fragile ego arguing without logic.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >has the best service record

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Is the most destroyed western ifv
            Cherry picking facts doesn't help your case only your fragile ego

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >is the most destroyed because it's seen the most combat by far
              Hurrr fricking durr

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Cmon mate, ya didnt even defend your bongmobile

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >euros are reduced to just making shit up

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >all those seething mutt replies

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Does anybody know what kind of CV90 Ukraine is getting? I've read that export versions don't usually have the 40mm cannon but usually something else like a 30mm Hägglunds E-series turret

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I like the CV90 aloy but i fond it really strange that it wasn't initially designed with an integrated ATGM like the brad considering that Sweden's entire doctrine for the last 70 years was blasting russian tanks from prepared ambush positions.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >here's your ATGM terrain, bro

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              ATGM tards btfo

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Bofors chads rejoice

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Most of Sweden is in the boreal zone, with thick taiga forests. Not ideal ATGM terrain. They experimented with CV90s equipped with Bill-2 ATGMs but found the concept to be less than ideal in their environment. Finland also bought its CV90s without ATGMs and when the AT-4s and AT-5s that it's BMP-2s were equipped with reached the end of their shelf life, they decided not to replace them with anything.
              Desert or tundra are of course different and vehicle-mounted ATGMs are more useful there.

              The idea is probably that since the environment a CV90 operates in is so packed with foilage, handing the ATGM to smaller, easier-to-hide, low-profile infantry makes more sense. Anywhere the CV90 operates it will basically clog a road in Sweden. That's why the ATGM variants are mostly foreign

              Is Sweden's terrain the reason why they opted for 40mm as the CV90's main armament?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Its a combination of factors.
                The main threat that the Cv90 was made to defeat was soviet invasion forces in northern Sweden. Due to the terrain, such a force would consist of airborne troops w/helicopter support, and light/medium armor like the MTLB, BMP, some MBT's etc moving along somewhat constricted axis of advance.
                So the Swedes wanted a vehicle with high mobility, decent armor and a gun that were a decent combination of HE power (for AA and infantry) and with a potent enough AT capability. Given the terrain, most engagements would be at somewhat close range and preferably from a flanking position.
                They spent a few years trying out different turrets and guns, even going as high as the Bofors 57mm and as low as reusing the 20mm from the Pv302.
                In the end, the 40mm was chosen as it gave good AA firepower and AP power using new shells, was an "in-house" system for Sweden with regards to development, and allowed them to pack it into a IFV within their desired weight-class.
                The test-vehicle with the 25mm turret went on to become the prototype for the CV9030N for Norway, where they basically slapped on a bit more armor and a 30mm instead.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >rubs hands in hebrew

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Most of Sweden is in the boreal zone, with thick taiga forests. Not ideal ATGM terrain. They experimented with CV90s equipped with Bill-2 ATGMs but found the concept to be less than ideal in their environment. Finland also bought its CV90s without ATGMs and when the AT-4s and AT-5s that it's BMP-2s were equipped with reached the end of their shelf life, they decided not to replace them with anything.
            Desert or tundra are of course different and vehicle-mounted ATGMs are more useful there.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The cv-user most likely to integrate atgm's on their current fleet (bar the recent MKIV-users and the dutch MLU) would be Norway, due to the terrain found at the Finnmark plateau, but they've mostly looked at putting javs on their RWS. The idea has been floated a few times, but never gone any further than studies.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Finland also has/had TOW-2s on BV206s in Lapland, but I'm not sure if those are in service anymore or if they've been Ukraine'd. IFVs are in the south of the country, which is very forested, and do not have ATGMs. There are plenty of man-portable ATGMs, however.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah kinda same with Norway, they had the M113 w/Tow and CV90 with infantry and Eryx. The Tow is now gone (shame really) and the Eryx has been replaced with Javelin

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The idea is probably that since the environment a CV90 operates in is so packed with foilage, handing the ATGM to smaller, easier-to-hide, low-profile infantry makes more sense. Anywhere the CV90 operates it will basically clog a road in Sweden. That's why the ATGM variants are mostly foreign

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          all swedish cv90 have 40mm.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          How many kinds of CV90 does Sweden use? Everywhere I look mentions CV9040 but nothing from Swe military or Gov it just states CV90.

          It has a worse K/D than warrior. Go make a thread and cry about it.

          The Bradley and Warrior are the only two western IFVs with lots of combat history. CV90 Marder and VCBI obviously have much less but did well. Its hard to judge by just K/Ds but it must also not be overlooked.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            sweden has tons of different variants.

            a/b/c are the normal cv90s. i would assume they sent the cv90a to ukraine since they are the most numerous.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          CV9040C

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/YEL7gJg.jpg

          How many kinds of CV90 does Sweden use? Everywhere I look mentions CV9040 but nothing from Swe military or Gov it just states CV90.
          [...]
          The Bradley and Warrior are the only two western IFVs with lots of combat history. CV90 Marder and VCBI obviously have much less but did well. Its hard to judge by just K/Ds but it must also not be overlooked.

          According to Oryx, they're getting 50CV9040s, so definitely will have the 40mm cannons

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            50+ CV9040s*
            https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/04/answering-call-heavy-weaponry-supplied.html

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            50+ CV9040s*
            https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/04/answering-call-heavy-weaponry-supplied.html

            Yeh I saw that but that still doesn't provide a source directly from the Swedes it's just his blog post...
            I think

            all swedish cv90 have 40mm.

            answered it better by saying Sweden only has 40s so they must be 40s donated.

            https://i.imgur.com/wtQKtFK.png

            >Lynx will be number 1. When in service.
            lmao

            Ah did not see that, why is it 3rd? Ascod being 3rd must mean when the Ajax is finally fixed it will be pretty good then I guess.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/HnHfEW3.jpg

          [...]
          Yeh I saw that but that still doesn't provide a source directly from the Swedes it's just his blog post...
          I think [...] answered it better by saying Sweden only has 40s so they must be 40s donated.
          [...]
          Ah did not see that, why is it 3rd? Ascod being 3rd must mean when the Ajax is finally fixed it will be pretty good then I guess.

          have the ukies even started training on the CV90 yet? hope it doesn't miss out on the action..

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They are going to be Swedish army service CV9040B and will be upgraded to CV9040C standard with additional armor and 3p munitions. This means the 40mm gun. My understanding is that they will serve in units with the Challenger 2.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No, they are the 50 or so CV9040C / E variants already in swedish stock

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Source?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The reason export versions don't use 40mm is because they to don't have tons of obsolete 40mm AA guns around. Originally Sweden was supposed to arm half of their CV90's with 25mm Bushmaster cannon. Then the cold war ended and their budget got slashed. 40mm gun on CV90 was a cost cutting measure.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          hopefully they give Ukrainians a shit load of ammo

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        you want to belt feed these?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes

          >rolled in combat
          >rolled in training
          >known for rolling because of bad optics
          Again, you have a fragile ego arguing without logic.

          >known for rolling because of bad optics
          Got a source besides your ass for that shit opinion?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Jenkins made a radio call to relay the problem, saying the optics inside their Bradley weren’t working. The issue wasn’t unique to them. Before the fatal roll over, another Bradley crew, also experiencing troubles with their optics, accidentally drove into the woods. Multiple troops reported that their vehicle optics were “flaring out" and “fogging up,” or simply “going out," according to summaries of witness interviews.
            https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/09/28/problems-plagued-bradley-crews-before-mishap-killed-3-soldiers/
            >Shit opinion
            That's the problem with people like you, blissfully clueless to reality too busy tounging the ass of what you think is good without ever daring to check for yourself you dumb mother fricker.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >One (1) accident makes a combat vehicle unusable because well just because ok
              How can you be this stupid and still figure out how to post on a Swiss board game collecting website?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >first he complains it only happened in combat
                >then he complains the optics aren't bad
                >Is given examples of both and still continues to post shift
                Thanks for proving me 100% right. You are a fool arguing in bad faith.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You still can't provide any evidence for your outlandish claims Warriortard

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes
            You're gonna have three separate feeds for three different shell types?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >three different shell types?
              An IFV only need two types of ammo

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Damn i thought soldier were more buffed, this motherfricker is so thin it would even look good in a dress and make up

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Military favors stamina over strength.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            look for some photos from vietnam war, only guys like 65-75 kg. Muscles above some lvl are useless and only use oxygen

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The rounds for the L70 are even longer.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >needs more than 6(x4) rounds to hit his target
        ngmi pistol gay

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >needs more than a dozen shots to destroy an enemy
        25mm moment

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CV90 / Strf 9040

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ZE GERMANS. Only 20 million per pop. More than an Abrams.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Puma

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously Lynx

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/QIuzmL3.jpg

        Kraut IFV by far superior

        I wish this trend would frick off already

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That camo looks like jpg artifacts.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's the point of that cammo.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >British tank in Mexican camo

          Wat

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Best In service? CV90
    Best coming into service? Lynx
    Best combat record? Warrior unironically

    Lynx looks hot in that image tho CV90 'zoomer' camo makes it look moronic.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CV90 hands down

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CV90 let no one tell you otherwise

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't even Matter. Every one of These are By lightyears better what the russisands or the chinks can field

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >his IFV doesn't even have integrated APS
    Lmao.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Depends. Where do you want use it, and what are you fighting?

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Answer the questions

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How many destroyed 0
      How fast 70kph
      How protected very

      Now you

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Just answer them anon, it can't be that hard

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          1.CV90
          2.Puma
          3.Boxer

          Lynx will be number 1. When in service.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Lynx will be number 1. When in service.
            lmao

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              BORSUKBROS...

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Why did Borsuk do so bad?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                what's up with borsuk having completely trash rating? it looked alright from what I saw of it

                They didnt even have for testing since its a prototype, they just randomly gave it 30 points because it can swim and thats it

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              what's up with borsuk having completely trash rating? it looked alright from what I saw of it

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The ratings also included shit like production logistics and financial benefits. Borsuk is not even produced right now, still only prototypes, and CV90 is an old as frick platform that's just getting upgraded.
                Though Borsuk got 0 (zero) points for "The security and protection of information and communication systems".

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How can you have 0 (zero)??? It's as unrealistic as having 100.

                Something is going on here.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                When you don't have any, you get nothing. You lose. Good day sir.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Borsuk didn't show up on trials, 30 pkt only because of amphibious skills. We need to wait little more time to comprare with others

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >the retarted slovak point meme appears

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What modern IFV's are currently active against Russia today ?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bradley, that's about it I think.

      BORSUKBROS...

      Bore Suck never made it to the tests iirc, it got 30 points for bothering to sign up.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        WHY EVEN GIVE US POINTS NOW OUR APC LOOKS LIKE MONKEY CACA WHEN NUMBERS ARE COMPARED LIKE THAT WITHOUT CONTEXT

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's definitely going to be used as shitposting material for the next 50 years at least.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    https://mncne.nato.int/newsroom/news/2020/iron-spear-2020

    According to Iron Spear competition, the nords take the prize with the CV90.

    Not a nord myself nor do I particularly like the cv90, but that's the closest we'll get to hard data.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's British now lol

      Boxer. Wheeled IFVs are the future.

      Boxer is great
      >Wheeled is future
      Dumb statement. You need both to be effective.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Boxer. Wheeled IFVs are the future.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      A challenger appears

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >25mm
        >Worse protection
        >Worse sensors

        Nice but not a Challenger better than the Dragoon for sure though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >odd take
      tracks and wheels are complementary, the prevalence of wheeled IFVs is due to the types of war western nations plan to fight, namely quick reaction forces to hot zones in eastern Europe and expeditionary operations abroad the require a lightweight chassis with high mobility that can fit into transport planes more easily. It's about getting to the fight while heavier slower forces follow on later. Wheels also are easier to maintain and operate at the expense of never get the performance that tracks get in uneven terrain or mud, not to mention in the arctic regions which makes it more attractive for poorer nations and/or nations focused on COIN. Ask the Russian's how maneuvering it's mechanized forces along paved roads has gone for them lol, you need both systems to conduct maneuver warfare successfully in all conditions.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Guys plz stop getting baited by the amerimutt schizo OP said yuro so he's not even in the race he's just derailing.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Germany's armed forces, the Bundeswehr, has been experiencing serious technical problems with its Puma infantry fighting vehicles, according to a report in Der Spiegel magazine on Saturday.
    >After a training exercise involving 18 state-of-the-art Puma infantry fighting vehicles, not a single one was left operational, the report said.
    >not a single one was left operational
    Sure thing Hermann

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The CV9040C will be the same vehicles they sent to Afghanistan. Meaning the air-conditioned gucci variants.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      they dont have 50 of those

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Marder

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They're all pretty mid that said ascod as long as the build quality isn't bad. People who like the Lynx are just morons who irrationally love kraut shit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Lynx is the newest Euro-made IFV.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong. That's the Dragón, made amongst others by Ascod.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Mowag with a new turret
          Imbecile he said new ifv not turret

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Different internals
            >Different armor
            >Modified structure
            >ItS JusT A MoWag

            Cope and seethe, wehraboo. Your wunderwaffe isn't even good.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >A modified 2005 golf gti is the same as a 2023 gti
              It's an old vehicle moron.

              You still can't provide any evidence for your outlandish claims Warriortard

              I gave you a source, you read it and got mad. Not my problem. Warriortard is the guy who spams warriorthreads upset about its armament then gets upset when people laugh at the M2 is that you?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >One (1) incident in training is enough to make an IFV useless
                Are you pretending to be dumb?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You told me

                >driver rolls it
                >all other IFVs cannot be rolled in combat
                how are you this stupid?

                here it rolled in combat (1) then I sourced you it happening again in training (2) and here in picrel (3) rolling off a truck because the optics are shit, just like the source provided states. That's without even searching for more examples so please stop moving goal posts and rage posting it's cringe and warriortard tier. The fact you came to this thread to post about it is telling enough you schizo sperg.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Three (3) accidents are just too much for a combat vehicle ok??!!
                Sure buddy. Keep on coping about accidents. Fact is that your countries IFVs haven't seen any combat yet and probably never will. Once your army pops its cherry you can come back here

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >(1)
                >(2)
                >(3)
                Oh no that's 3 times you shifted now!
                Here's the 4th (2second google) https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/taskandpurpose.com/news/army-bradley-fighting-vehicle-rollover-investigation/%3famp?espv=1 and here's a 5th https://www.army.mil/article/1992/training_pays_off_soldiers_escape_bradley_rollover

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Still posting accident copes
                It's all so tiresome. You still can't provide any evidence of your claims

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It was one (1) incident!
                >OK maybe two (2) incidents!
                >3
                >4
                >5
                >Now 6
                Here's another
                https://kdhnews.com/news/local/deadly-rollovers-fort-hood-brigade-had-2-soldiers-die-in-bradley-crashes-last-year/article_3c54df8e-f565-11ea-b01b-b748fdd574b2.html
                >Can't provide evidence
                6 examples is plenty, every one had a fatality which is probably why they were so easy to find. Imagine how many are rolled that we don't know about.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Six (6) accidents is just too much for a combat vehicle ok!!?
                Still moving the goal posts are we? I guess you really are autistic. Let me know when you can make a real argument backed up with real evidence

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >6 accidents, each resulting in multiple fatalities
                Heh warriortard you are so easy to spot, simping around the Bradley in every thread.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >6 accidents, each resulting in multiple fatalities
                >6 examples is plenty, every one had a fatality

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                well honestly NTA but when you have over 10 times the amount of active IFVs than germany you are actually significantly more likely to have accidents with them, so saying "oh i can keep finding these examples" doesnt mean much because what you should be looking for is statistics for like, accidents per hours driven and stuff to compare them

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Based. Ascod's toys are kino af and perform above average in competitions.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CV90. There's no question anything else from euroland is moronic

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Best one is the Puma.
    Too bad it's so expensive not even the germans can really afford it.
    Next is the Lynx.
    Too bad it's so expensive you can buy 2-3 other IFVs for the cost of 1.
    So the "best one that you can/should actually afford" is probably the CV90

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Borsuk.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Borsuk is best IFV.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      clearly not

      https://i.imgur.com/wtQKtFK.png

      >Lynx will be number 1. When in service.
      lmao

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The ajax is never going to be finished is it bros...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      why isn't Britain just getting the ASCOD or CV90?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        CV90 competed against the Ajax IIRC. There's a few people that believe the decision to get the Ajax came down to politics though I'm not super solid on what all they think went down. It might have had something to do with production based in the U.K. with ajax. Ajax is based on the ASCOD they just royally fricked up the chassis and suspension apparently. Luckily for the Americans the MPF is different enough from the Ajax that it isn't suffering the same issues.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          how could they frick up the ASCOD? It's already a working system in the Spanish and Austrian armies

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So they heavily modified the original chassis, much like the GDLS did with the MPF and Griffin 3 only they really dropped the ball. I did some digging and apparently the excess vibrations and noise have caused injuries and some troops even had to be discharged with hearing loss.
            Specifically the issues are both electrical and mechanical. There's issues with the sprockets and the way the engine is mounted and some serious quality control issues like shitty welding etc. You can read the full report here

            https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ajax-noise-and-vibration-review/ajax-noise-and-vibration-review
            Interesting stuff.

            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11625545/Trouble-hit-Ajax-tank-finally-given-clear-pressed-service.html
            according to this it's apparently working better now but given what I read in the report it sounded to me like a pretty significant redesign was needed, course I'm not a engineering gay so I'm assuming

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Quality control is understood to be especially poor throughout the first 100 hulls manufactured in Spain, but the issue has not been entirely eliminated in subsequent batches. Problems have included sections being inconsistent lengths, the sides of the hull not being parallel, and substandard welding. Fittings and furnishings have not had their attachment points drilled using jigs, resulting in the spacing of holes being uneven.
              >The significance of the shortcomings in quality control is that the vibration issues are not manifesting themselves in the vehicles in a uniform manner. Some hulls produce disproportionately poor performance.
              It's the Spanish quality control that's causing the issues then the subsequent fixes for that are causing issues themselves. Hopefully the first batches of hulls (200+) will be fixed and the remaining 390 made correctly.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I hope they do fix it, the ajax is cute and the bongs really need this modernization to work if they're gonna keep downsizing their army
                wasn't the chally 3 upgrade calling for only like 148 units? I'd hate to imagine it running into similar problems as the jax

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Me too I like the Ajax and it's capabilities are amazing. The 148 Challenger 3 is being done by Rheinmetall and BAE so it "Should" be fine. I think the total upgraded to 3 is likely to be increased but depends how many are sent to Ukraine and what is said later this week with the new budget.

                Should've just gone with the Boxer.

                We are the biggest user of the Boxer what do you mean? We should have used the Boxer in place of the Ajax and had no tracked recon or tracked ifv at all? No that's moronic and French.

                >Fittings and furnishings have not had their attachment points drilled using jigs
                imagine eyeballing the construction of a $10 million vehicle. hahaha oh wow this is Africa tier.

                Have you ever been to Spain? We're do you think the Mexicans get there moronicness from.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >that's moronic and French
                The British Army would give its right arm right now to have the Scorpion programme instead of this current mess
                too many billion pounds have been spent for too goddamn little
                the good news is that there's a way out, the bad news is that it means spending more: the Army has to develop, buy and procure yet another IFV to replace the Warrior, and hope to God that this programme doesn't frick up the way they've fricked everything up for the past 2 decades

                >British armoured division (interim)
                Ajax "scout"
                Challenger 3
                Boxer IFV
                Mastiff APCs

                >British armoured division (future)
                Ajax "scout"
                Challenger 3
                Future IFV (tracked)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Army would give right arm for scorpion
                No they wouldn't, in no way would they ever deem all wheeled is better than tracked otherwise they would have just upped the Boxer order and scrapped Ajax. They are expeditionary and plan to fight anywhere unlike the French who only play in Africa (Only if the British take them though)
                >Army has to develop, buy and procure yet another IFV to replace the Warrior
                Your speaking very confidently for somone who is completely wrong.
                1. The Boxer is and always was the Warriors replacement.
                2. You armoured division layout is wrong.
                Ajax family replaces cvrt family
                CR3
                Boxer IFV
                Mastif is an Mrap kek the FV series Bulldog is the APC also the Boxer will be used in this role
                The Army has fricked up everything with procurement but let's not get carried away with hysteria like you seem to be.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >they would have just upped the Boxer order and scrapped Ajax
                error 404: pounds not found

                >The Boxer is and always was the Warriors replacement
                gee, whatever happened to
                >no way would they ever deem all wheeled is better than tracked
                also, there aren't enough Boxers at the moment
                more MAY be purchased of course
                but at that point, why not buy actual tracked IFVs?

                >You armoured division layout is wrong
                it's identical to
                >Ajax family replaces cvrt family
                >CR3
                >Boxer IFV

                >Mastif is an Mrap kek
                Heavy Protected Patrol Vehicle
                like it or not, this is what the Army has available
                >the FV series Bulldog is the APC
                lmao
                well I'll accept a few
                but if we're going to mix tracks and wheels, it makes more sense to have the APC and the IFV have similar mobility, so the Boxer's cannon can support the dismounts

                otherwise you have a tracked battlegroup of [Ajax + Chally 3 + Bulldog]... frick me.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Pounds not found
                Wew lad they just bought an extra 100 last year, plenty of pounds around.
                >gee whatever happened to all wheeled sperg out
                Boxer + Ajax isn't all wheeled you have two IFVs one is tracked one isn't.
                >It's identical
                No it isn't lol you said interm meaning temporary to be replaced the CR3 replaces the CR2 the Boxer replaces the Warrior and the Ajax replaces the CVRT which isn't here yet so it's not interim at all that's the future.
                >b-but mastif is apc
                Again the Bulldog is the UK APC the Mastif is an MRAP.
                >Like it or not it's what the UK has available
                Your English is wierd, again the UK has available and uses the FV432 for its APC there are nearly 1000 of them, plenty AVAILABLE kek
                >Well I'll accept a few
                I'll accept your a wierd c**t that thought a Mastif was the UKs APC lol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >plenty
                if you know anything at all about UK defence you ought to know how very pinched the budget is
                >Ajax
                isn't an IFV
                >you said interim
                because I was FANTASISING that it would be interim, instead of what we are going to get, most likely
                >APC, MRAP, APC, MRAP
                is there any real difference tho
                >Your English is wierd
                ironic
                >FV432, FV432, FV432
                do you know how old this fricking thing is?
                >your a wierd
                stay in school lad

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Nta but he has a point the Mastif is definitely not the apc and the Bulldog or FV432s replacement is ARES just incase you both didn't know as it wasn't mentioned in your tiff.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ares is not the IFV either; it's for carrying a recon team like the M3 Bradley, so it can only carry four dismounts
                >Mastiff is definitely not the apc
                Both Mastiff and Bulldog will be used in the APC role

                [...]
                Isn't the French military filled with HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG MOBILE WARFARE nerds who don't even want MBTs anymore because they're not mobile enough compared to their HotWheels shit?

                The French logic goes like this:
                >we will only fight in European cities and African desert
                >we don't need tracks for that
                >we can't afford both tracked and wheeled IFVs
                >pass le baguette honhonhon

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Ares isn't an IFV
                Quote me where I said it was moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                so what did you mean by

                https://i.imgur.com/TScxN49.jpg

                Nta but he has a point the Mastif is definitely not the apc and the Bulldog or FV432s replacement is ARES just incase you both didn't know as it wasn't mentioned in your tiff.

                >the Bulldog or FV432s replacement is ARES
                eh, mong?

                Bulldog is fulfilling the APC / IFV role in armoured battlegroups. Ares is NOT going to replace it in that role. Suck my dick.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/TScxN49.jpg

                Nta but he has a point the Mastif is definitely not the apc and the Bulldog or FV432s replacement is ARES just incase you both didn't know as it wasn't mentioned in your tiff.

                neither of you know whats fricking replacing the bulldog they arent even STARTING procurement till 2025

                >plenty
                if you know anything at all about UK defence you ought to know how very pinched the budget is
                >Ajax
                isn't an IFV
                >you said interim
                because I was FANTASISING that it would be interim, instead of what we are going to get, most likely
                >APC, MRAP, APC, MRAP
                is there any real difference tho
                >Your English is wierd
                ironic
                >FV432, FV432, FV432
                do you know how old this fricking thing is?
                >your a wierd
                stay in school lad

                >is there a difference between apc and mrap
                role is all there is really, apcs are a massively broad category that doesnt really mean anything anymore

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The boxer was not meant to replace Warrior, Warrior was supposed to get a new turret with 40mm cannon but it got cancelled.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >We should have used the Boxer in place of the Ajax and had no tracked recon or tracked ifv at all?
                French IFVs at least work, the Scorpion program was very successful.
                Also they make a tracked Boxer.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Post a modern French tracked AFV.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/tCDg9qT.png

                >We should have used the Boxer in place of the Ajax and had no tracked recon or tracked ifv at all?
                French IFVs at least work, the Scorpion program was very successful.
                Also they make a tracked Boxer.

                Isn't the French military filled with HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG MOBILE WARFARE nerds who don't even want MBTs anymore because they're not mobile enough compared to their HotWheels shit?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's right.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's always been the french way. Look for instance at their navy during the Age of Sail. While, say, the brits focused on having the cheapest good-enough boats (for instance using lower quality cannons) because they thought the most important part of naval warfare was coordination between boats, so their core motivation was to ensure their boats were practically never alone, and the spaniards just overgunned their boats to a frankly comical degree (the most egregious case being the Santisima Trinidad, the largest boat of its time, which was overgunned so hard it basically became a port defense because trying to sail it to high seas caused it to start twisting. And when the spaniard noticed this they decided what they should do is take advantage of the fact it wouldn't need so much storage if it wasn't going on long trips to just add even more cannons.), the French on the other hand focused on having the fastest boats possible with the longest range they could so they could keep "tactically retreating" while pelting at the enemy from afar.

                The white flag memes aren't even jokes, if french baguette history tells us anything is they WILL retreat no matter what. Even when they win they do it by fleeing and then shooting at you from further away. They're spineless through and through.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the brits focused on having the cheapest good-enough boats
                That was more of an operational requirement due to their global defence commitments
                Also, British build quality was a meme (Forty Thieves' notwithstanding) and French build quality overhyped, RN boats were actually more resilient due to using properly seasoned wood and French boats suffered due to long stays in port under blockade
                This is borne out by the higher maintenance and repair costs of captured French 74s versus domestically-built British 74s in Admiralty records

                Also, the French cheaped out on boat supplies while the British were nearly autistic about quality control. Memes about bad shipboard food in this era are most likely attributable to poorer navies like the French and merchant ships

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I always thought France's APC and IFV philosophy stemmed from their heavy usage of armored cars.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >French IFVs work
                Did I say they didn't? Don't be fragile.
                >Also they make tracked Boxer
                They do but we haven't ordered any 'yet' so it was irrelevant to bring it up.
                Tl:Dr wasn't having a dig at the quality of the French vehicles just how they choose/plan to use them and how wheeled only doesn't work for everyone.

                https://i.imgur.com/JvXPDmA.png

                I'm all for shitting on the Spanish, but can we sppreciate how the Spanish Ascod has performed above average, and not only do they consistently rate above average every time Iron Spear comes around, but indeed they tend to be above the Austrians using nominally the same vehicle.

                And yet somehow only the chassis sent to UK to be turned into Ajax are poor quality and yet the whole batch is indeed africa tier eyeballing shit? And only the UK is reporting this.

                Just saying, it seems like excuses are being made by those who know they can pass the responsibility onto someone else. Something bonglanders excell at.

                >And only the UK reporting this
                If your familiar with how criticism works in the UK you would realise that GOV and Industry do not sing the same tune and will eagerly blame each other when given the opertunity. The fact the Gov is saying this, GDUK and RUSI whom I quoted directly from are saying the same thing means it's literally shit Spanish workmanship. Hardly unbelievable is it?
                >Something bonglanders excell at
                Such as? Sounds like you had a genuine question then ruined it with bad faith moronism at the end.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm all for shitting on the Spanish, but can we sppreciate how the Spanish Ascod has performed above average, and not only do they consistently rate above average every time Iron Spear comes around, but indeed they tend to be above the Austrians using nominally the same vehicle.

                And yet somehow only the chassis sent to UK to be turned into Ajax are poor quality and yet the whole batch is indeed africa tier eyeballing shit? And only the UK is reporting this.

                Just saying, it seems like excuses are being made by those who know they can pass the responsibility onto someone else. Something bonglanders excell at.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Should've just gone with the Boxer.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Fittings and furnishings have not had their attachment points drilled using jigs
                imagine eyeballing the construction of a $10 million vehicle. hahaha oh wow this is Africa tier.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                is there a reason other than cost that they do not just rebuild the 100 hulls properly and remount all the engine/equipment on the correctly constructed hulls.
                The hulls are expensive, but not he majority of the costs of the complete vehicle.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The hulls are expensive, but not he majority of the costs
                it would still be a third again the cost at least, making a 10 million pound vehicle a 13 million pound one
                the design team (at least) aren't morons, they'll want to find a solution that's cheaper
                besides, the problem with the vibration and noise is a design problem, not a build quality problem

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ajax IS the ASCOD 2
        >why not CV90
        possibly because CV90 is a BAE product and BAE and the MOD were/are at loggerheads over past shit like the Rivers

        how could they frick up the ASCOD? It's already a working system in the Spanish and Austrian armies

        Because despite the branding, Ajax and ASCOD are hugely different. Same with CV90 - you think CV90 build in 1991 and new-build CV90 Mk4 is the same? Hah lol. Maybe only the hull form and some ancillary systems are. Ajax is very different from ASCOD, it would in fact take major redesigning to change an Ajax Scout Vehicle back into an IFV.

        Anyway, rumour has it that all the secret gizmos the MOD stuffed into the ASCOD hull to make the Ajax the epic armoured scout of the future overburdened the suspension.

        https://i.imgur.com/Ktod2Wr.jpg

        What's the best Euro IFV?

        The latest CV90, probably

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    does Stryker Dragoon count as an IFV?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      wheeled IFV, I guess
      but for me, a proper IFV is tracked

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      wheeled IFV, I guess
      but for me, a proper IFV is tracked

      IMO its purely doctrinal/situational. You can make a wheeled IFV work if it's equipped to stay and fight and support the dismounts and vice versa.
      Though there is some argument to be made that tracked is just gonna perform better in all conditions concerning terrain, for expeditionary armies like the U.S. that's worth the added complexity and cost of maintenance.

      If you're some mid east or African sahel nation plinking militants in vast open plains/deserts then you could probably get away with a pressing what would be considered an underarmed and armored APC to most armies who are built for peer conflict, into an IFV roll. Shit could probably get away with an unarmored Hilux at that point.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So the kaiten torpedo is the best APC.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeh I guess but its not a good one or anywhere near the best Euro ifv.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It should

      wheeled IFV, I guess
      but for me, a proper IFV is tracked

      >a proper IFV is tracked
      The difference is increasingly academic, especially as fighting revolves around holding cities

      https://i.imgur.com/U7n43ZH.jpg

      [...]
      IMO its purely doctrinal/situational. You can make a wheeled IFV work if it's equipped to stay and fight and support the dismounts and vice versa.
      Though there is some argument to be made that tracked is just gonna perform better in all conditions concerning terrain, for expeditionary armies like the U.S. that's worth the added complexity and cost of maintenance.

      If you're some mid east or African sahel nation plinking militants in vast open plains/deserts then you could probably get away with a pressing what would be considered an underarmed and armored APC to most armies who are built for peer conflict, into an IFV roll. Shit could probably get away with an unarmored Hilux at that point.

      >roll
      ROLE, dammit
      >chart
      good one
      >tracked is just gonna perform better in all conditions concerning terrain
      wrong
      these days it appears the only advantages a tracked IFV offers is on mud

      Yeh I guess but its not a good one or anywhere near the best Euro ifv.

      Shit opinion discarded, moron

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      nah it's a dire APC

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CV90 30/35

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    BAE<3

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hägglunds*

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Panhards and Toyota Hiluxes with automatic cannons on the back.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Toyota Hiluxes
      >Euro
      Moron

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They ship globally anon.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Toyota Europe records 28,000 Hiluxes sold in H12022

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    CV90 by sales and provenance, but the Lynx has more potential imo

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What's that camo on the left supposed to be blending into? A pile of Mountain Dew bottles?

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Puma is fricking soulless, we need to return to the Marder.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      There isn't a Puma in that image anon

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