What's stopping china from building a container ship except the containers are actually missile launchers, so they can sneakily send the ship next to a US carrier and then launch a surprise missile attack?
What's stopping china from building a container ship except the containers are actually missile launchers, so they can sneakily send the ship nex...
whats the point in making a thread with a question you know is retarded
Are you going to make this thread every single day.
i have never made this thread
nothing?
need to add a mechanism that dumps the spent containers overboard so that the ones under them can then be fired. probably would be be taken out by the US quickly, but could be a cheap arsenal ship against a 3rd world nation
Instant international comdemnation and then probably being glassed.
>inb4 "but nobody would know whoooooo did it!!!"
Bitch, they would be bragging about it instantly.
>probably being glassed.
Why do mutts always say this? Do you have fat stuck in your brain to not realize all your enemies also have noookes right?
That's why USA has to do the first strike to remove those capacities.
Too bad that's never gonna happen, murica has too many enemies to strike them all together before being nuked back to extinction
>murica has too many enemies
And only needs to wipe one of them to keep others in line
Maybe Iran but even that would be a stretch, the rest you only seethe about
How many nuclear capable enemies dies the US actually have?
There's the russians (nominal), the chinks (~300 or so warheads woth limited delivery systems), the norks (half a dozen at most) and maybe Iran
If we take russia out of the equation because their nukes don't work then that's simply not enough megatonnage to actually knock out the US military, even before we start considering ABM systems and other countermeasures
Russia alone has more nukes, the rest is cope
Tell me how russias last two ICBM tests went and then tell me who's really coping
>murica has too many enemies
Remind me again, which country has military bases and allies literally all over the globe including right at china's doorstep?
Second strike go brrrrrr
Besides China has a no first use policy so second strike is a given
You're better off with conventional war
mutts are retarded. they are so high on propaganda that anything that isnt' murca #1 upsets theem lamo.
Ours work, brownskin.
yeah they sure do, Chang
Because the world likes stability you third world brain rot addled retard. If China introduces the breathtakingly big brained geopolitcal tool of striking enemy nation's naval assets with sneak attacks using ships disguised as civilian vessels everyone else and their mother will trip over themselves to snuff them from existence because international trade, which relies on stable shipping lanes provided by America's navy, are far more important than propaganda clips of manly military recruitment ads and women wearing sundresses in wheatfields. It also makes each and EVERY chinese shipping vessel a potential national security target that cannot be trusted within missile distance of any of your ships, ports or bases. They would be locking themselves out of international waters and putting a black mark on their own record for all time to sink one American naval asset. You and your kind are literally too stupid to not live under America's thumb, it's why the Great Satan has been 30 minutes from collapse for 247 years.
>china attacks US
>US id forced to retaliate
>war
How do you think a war between 2 nuclear capable countries is going to end up?
We realize that, it's just that when it comes to revenge there's enough of us who would be okay with dying in nuclear hellfire if it meant some chinks died as well
Sinking their ship out of nowhere would essentially be a declaration of war.
MAD or not, once you say "I DECLARE WAR" to another nuclear power, as a nuclear power, it's going to result in nuclear war, and given both countries nuclear armaments, things are going to go VERY poorly for China.
>Instant international comdemnation
for being clever?
For disguising as civilians, retard.
>mutts
Lol, try again.
>For disguising as civilians, retard.
in ww2 the US subs sunks thousands of japanese unarmed transport ships. so i dont see how if you are allowed to shoot at them, they cannot shoot back, RETARD.
But if it's armed with missiles it's not an unarmed transport ship, checkmate. ;^)
if a transport ship is a legit military target according to muttistan, then there's nothing wrong about disguising as one. would you complane if a tank disguises as a SPG?
Yes, it would mess up the kill markers.
>unarmed transport ships
still a big difference from civilian ships.
>Instant international comdemnation
oh no!
>Losing out on all the USD an Euros from western nations
>Losing out on all the coal and natural resources you needed from western friendly nations
Uh oh!
>Instant international comdemnation and then probably being glassed
Even worse, they would get sanctioned by US and EU, which would probably launch them into a crisus that would make the Great Depression seem like nothing in comparison.
oh no the amount of serious concerns
What is it with you retards and forget if that actually attacking the US directly has always ending horribly for whoever did it.
>send the ship next to a US carrier and then launch a surprise missile attack
And then what? That just means that China turned all their container ships into valid military targets.
Nothing at all. But I'm going to guess the us navy is aware of that and makes sure a majority of their carriers are not anywhere near any kind of chinese ship. Besides, total surprise is very hard to achieve. An attack against the US would be concurrent with various preparations for the following war, and these would be noticed by intelligence services.
Always were.
>total surprise is very hard to achieve
I don't know, a bunch of dirty poor farmers just surprise attacked the most powerful country in the region a few days ago, who happened to have the full support of US
>turned all their container ships into valid military targets.
Us would collapse if that happens, theyr were already collapsing with yje countainers problem during the covid.
Funny enough the collapse of the U.S. would drag other large economies along with it. China being the largest would be hit the hardest outside of Canada and Mexico.
>theyr were already collapsing
proofs?
do people really care about that in a hot war? German subs were sinking shipping all over the atlantic. American bombers were turning factories to ash all over Germany. Turns out your enemies economy is a prime target.
Getting off a surprise shot and sinking a carrier may be underhanded, but it's not like the US would let the chinese ship oil or iron ore back and forth to feed their war industry if a designated warship had sunk the carrier.
And getting rid of those USN assets allows them to do whatever they want until the USN can send a replacement.
the real question is if le container missile cruiser is actually any better than a warship or submarine for this task and if the modifications required to make it suitable won't raise flags or end up costing more than a banzai warship to do the same thing.
>than a banzai warship to do the same thing.
banzai warship cant get in range as easily tho.
Simultaneously turning your civilian shipping into valid military targets and declaring war on NATO would be a rather bad idea
>declaring war on NATO would be a rather bad idea
attacking the US outside of NATO doesnt trigger the alliance, retard.
>Simultaneously turning your civilian shipping into valid military targets
yeah nice now the US gets to waste their missiles on random ships while your high values go around safely, retard.
>waste
USA has enough to destroy both the chinese civilian fleet and navy twice.
that's just cope
Chinese do cope a lot, yes
>attacking the US outside of NATO doesnt trigger the alliance, retard.
get rekt, retard
doesn't mean they wouldn't join anyway
There are a lot of yuroshits that only look out for themselves, but the ones with a relevant navy and who don't just look out for themselves would join
>get rekt
>immediately start coping
LEL indeed
Did you actually forget the last 20 years and the coalition of the willing?
>There are a lot of yuroshits that only look out for themselves
you can just say the french
It would be just easier to say only the UK would help
What do you mean we can't put our bases in Bermuda????
>Noone will be afraid of anything
Do they realise noone in the west needs to justify anything in this manner, it's as if being afraid all the time is the norm there in Russia or something so they need to make up these dreams of safety.
>attacking the US outside of NATO doesnt trigger the alliance, retard.
It literally does retard. Do you understand what NATO fucking is?
read and get rekt retard
>he actually thinks that it matters what some random paper says
If USA says they go to war then they will go to war
>get smug while being factually wrong
>get rekt
>i-it doesnt matter anyway OKAY?
jej
I'm sure paper will save your ass from being clapped
>trust me they all have my back the euros love us
how delusional muttoids are lmao
Did you conveniently forget what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq as far as Allies are concerned or that the Japanese and Koreans exist?
>we are going to bully some goat herders
>wow thank you UK for sending 1 regiment of infantry you are our greatest ally
lmao
Fucking retard
>no counter
>sperging
muttoids SOP
Hey I’m not the retard who can’t read a basic Wikipedia page for information or just forgot Korea and Japan exist last (you) you lonely whore
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_terror
>thinking korea and japan care about muttoids
lmao.
Hate China more, simple as
they dont hate china enough to join a war when the US got shrekt lmao. 2 token frigates at most.
Which war is that?
in iraq japan sent one medical squad lmao.
So what you’re telling me, with no alliance or need to, they sent men to help?
japan was constitutionally required not to deploy combat troops abroad, at the time. article 9 for them. it took abe's govt willfully reinterpreting the text to move the needle for them.
i can't be fucked to read into what you mongrels are actually arguing about here, but guam and hawaii are very well-known examples of US territories which fall outside of the north atlantic definition in nato article 6. the legal ruling from the US govt, last i checked, was that they don't expect attacks on these locations to trigger article 5 in themselves. they would conduct consultation (article 4) after which all the relevant parties would get onboard if they thought the precipitating event were severe enough.
falkland war didn't involve a NATO force for this reason (in part) as well. southern atlantic, nowhere near article 6 territory.
korea and japan care about muttoids
SK wants the North back and Japs want to finish off the Chinks. Literally the only reason why they're staunch American allies.
japs are only allied to muttoids because they were forced to. it's like that school bully who keeps one 'side-kick' around to pretend he actually has a friend. it's kinda sad actually.
korea only wants mutt as meatshield in case of a nork invasion. korea doesnt even have a navy so as i said, 2 token frigates at most.
So what happened to make you want to annoy people tonight?
>The West always breaks their agreements, they can't be trusted
>Except this time, They'll surely follow this little excerpt on the eve of WW3
Lmao. which one is it you homosexuals?
What..?
how retarded are you lmao?
Miles less retarded than you apparently.
Do you not understand the purpose of a defensive alliance? If you attack any one member the rest of them attack you. Since you obviously didn't know, article 5 was invoked over the 9/11. If China dared attack the US (or any NATO member) the whole alliance comes down on their heads.
can you not read the thread? it's already been pointed out why?
Wumao-kyun, you really might want to rethink things. I really don't care what AAA grade hopium you've snorted. There is no possible scenario where you attack the US without getting absolutely fucked by a pile of nations, probably including many you didn't expect because of how bad you've just fucked up international shipping. Even if we play fantasyland rules and nobody helps the US it's still going to fuck you and yours so hard you'll be "ready to settle down" as a nation.
Go for it though, you do you boo. See what happens.
the missiles would be made of chineseium and instantly blow up (in the container(without launching))
All ships and routes are tracked and we have Satellites monitoring every country at all times, if they made a sneaky and moved missile launchers into the cargo ships they would have a different route and movement. Then they would have to engineer something to turn it into a transforming cargo to missile shit and launch and by that point the 5 eyes spy network would catch on pretty quickly.
Also why? You'd spend 100 million + an ungodly amount on disguising a ship keeping it a secret that would immediately get targeted and annihilated. And now all civilian cargo ships from your country will be targeted, shutting down trades harder than any sanctions.
It would be beyond retarded, cargo ships aren't cheap missiles aren't cheap, it would either be discovered, or the ramifications would cause an economic disaster and annihilate any civilian goodwill the country would have.
And for what a single carrier group that would push the U.S into a fevour stronger than Pearl Harbor?
>the 5 eyes spy network
that's used to internally track their own citizens retard.
You're the retard, 5 eyes is their spy networks domestic and international. Of course they're trading info on their own citizens it's a spy network it's supposed to be incredibly shadyhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
>And for what a single carrier group that would push the U.S into a fevour stronger than Pearl Harbor?
Based on history, surprise attacks on US soil are a great way to get BTFO and then nuked for bonus points.
the cover would immediately be nullified by the fact that a container ship peeeling away from shipping lines and approaching to missile range of a carrier
also, if a state of war is declared, then merchant shipping immediately becomes a legitimate target and the cover would be useless anyways
>and the cover would be useless anyways
you could register the ship in one of those islands so it's not so obvious its chinese.
>What's stopping china
Chinks, you nagger
Can we have a reverse boxer rebellion already?
Is this another version of
>just put a Chinese flag on a fighter jet and attack Russia!
stupidity?
China can't event beat Taiwanese fishing boats let alone an American carrier
You could get away with it once after that every Chinese container is going to the bottom of the pacific.
>so they can sneakily send the ship next to a US carrier
do you think the fleet will stay still like retards if the carrier's radar picks up a container ship heading closer?
The CSG detecting a civilian ship behaving like a military ship and sinking it when it ignores warnings, then torturing a confession out of captured crew fished out of the water.
there are so many ships in the ocean that it's not really possible to not be within 100km (conservative range for a AShM) of a ship at any time.
My dude you're being watched the entire time you're "in range." By the time you go from disguised as a civilian to prepped to launch you'll already be sinking.
>to prepped to launch you'll already be sinking.
first of all by being watched you mean being on radar? the carrier wouldnt know if youre 'prepping' for launch.
secondly you wouldn't have to 'prep' the missiles would be ready launch justt like missiles in a VLS. lmao.
yeah bro the cargo containers packed onto layers ontop of each other can just open up vertically and launch a missile bro
it would launch horizontally and the containers would be specifically modified for this purpose and not your standard containers, retard.
Technically nothing would stop them from doing that. Just like technically it's possible for the entire Chinese diplomatic corps to each a bunch of taco bell and fill the negotiation room with Hispanicy farts.
But just because something is technically doable doesn't mean it isn't pointlessly retarded.
why?
>allowing chinese cargo ships near US carriers during wartime
>container missile launchers known by everyone
>cargo ship would be sunk, missiles intercepted
Oh look another homosexual retard thread by a clear tourist or child
Lets break it down:
>using a commercial container carrier
>could perhaps work, but after a single use the novel surprise is out of the bag
>would have devastating long-term effects on chinese maritime-logistic economy
>a boomer sub would work just as well or better using nuclear cruise missiles
>chinks would get glassed all the way from the shore to Mongolia
>but after a single use the novel surprise is out of the bag
are you saying a surprise attack has no value if it cant work twice? are you retarded or what?
> long-term effects on chinese maritime-logistic economy
would happen anyway in a war
>a boomer sub would work just as well or better using nuclear cruise missiles
a boomer sub would need to get closer to use a torpedo. or it can launch missiles but with a smaller payload. meanwhile a container ship could launch 200+ missiles easily to overwhelm the carrier's defense.
just shut your nagger mouth retard holy fucking shit like genuinely jesus christ
>cant counter
>sperg
classic /k/
>say shit so retarded anons lose IQ points reading it
>someone calls you a fucking retard
>y u no high effort response? hahhahhah zogMUTTlardcans btfo glory to Comrade Xi!
>I-I CANT TELL YOU WHY BUT ITS JUST IS RETARDED OKAY?
lol. lmao even
You have to be genuinely retarded if you don't think anyone would notice the suHispanicious container ship that never actually transports any containers anywhere, doesn't ever let its cargo be inspected, and keeps having to dock at Chinese military shipyards to do weapons maintenance.
>yes this container vessel that's been lurking off our coast for months and never docks is definitely a real container ship nothing wrong here.
Actual retardation.
bruh, Im on your side. Im arguing against the retarded container ship raider thing. I was stating that the changs insults are not an argument against why its a bad idea
>no refutation of points
>no counter arguments
>no evidence or logical end points
yeah there’s a couple of retards here, and he isn’t of them. you are though
Stay mad no one falls for your bait anymore, retard-kun. There's no point arguing with wumao because they'll just ignore everything you say, maybe respond with noook ook oook, and will have "forgotten" any points you made when they make their next daily thread on the same subject tomorrow. That's why no one bothers with high effort arguments.
fix your website hiro-sama
double posting idiot
Only one of them is me according to PrepHole.
nice, I agree with you anyway about the chinese being disingenuous, just having a bit of banter
Stay mad no one falls for your bait anymore, retard-kun. There's no point arguing with wumao because they'll just ignore everything you say, maybe respond with noook ook oook, and will have "forgotten" any points you made when they make their next daily thread on the same subject tomorrow. That's why no one bothers with high effort arguments.
>expecting intelligent argument for absolutely stupid situation.
You sound like 12 years old. I think you are 12 years old.
Sure nigga, Im 12. Come over to my house say hi to my uncle Chris Hansen. He seems enjoy meeting people like you
That has to be the most bizarre come back I’ve seen here in a while.
Still shitty tho
>eating shit gives you superpowers
>shut up retard
>LOL WHERE'S YOUR COUNTER ARGUMENT?
this is how you sound right now lmao
I have serious doubts the Chinks could nagger rig a 200+ missile carrying cargo ship without the US catching on about it. Russia, Iran, and China already do this with EW and smuggling ships and we are explicitly aware of every one of them. But if America doesn’t get the scoop on it so it’s not being tracked by satellites or AIS then I suppose one of these naval ghetto blasters could get one off at a carrier. Though unless chinks are looking for an authentic Japanese 1940’s experience, I don’t see the point.
You'd need a container ship with a military grade radar that can direct the missiles. As soon as you bring that radar online everyone in range would know.
you would need another way to find the carrier. this is just for the purpose of hiding the launch platform.
I guess those Chinese military satellites are useless for this purpose ?
yes.
Yup
>what stopping Chink from doing absolutely retarded thing to US.
>US will retaliate.
>NO YOU CANNOT, RETARD. WE HAVE NOOK! RETARD!
Why are you like this?
it would instantly turn all civilian chinese and unmarked cargo ships into valid military targets
you can get around taht easily by registering your ships in bermuda or whatever.
>huh, a chinese-built ship with a Nigerian flag is trying to run the blockade around china and won't respond to our demands to turn back
>I wonder what they're doing here
the register is just bullshit so companies can pay shit wages and forgo safety standards, it's still public knowledge what company runs a particular ship and what country they're from
>it's still public knowledge what company runs a particular ship and what country they're from
[doubt]
it's true my nagger. Check the tracking on this vessel that was recently in the port I work at that I picked at random
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:4100524/mmsi:249558000/imo:9728928/vessel:TITAN
most of it's locked behind a paywall on that site, but it's all readily available. Who built it, the company they built it for, whether it's chartered and to who, the entire sale history, name changes, everything.
I’m like 90% sure I’ve worked on that one before
can confirm the other anon is right.
t. another port worker
Good luck getting insurance on that, buddy.
and all certifications to get into international trade license (which is required to travel around the world) LeMao
You do realize even if it does work the US Navy would proceed target anything bigger than a tug boat because you just shown that you were willing to weaponize civilian craft and have them operate with civilian IFFs just to get cheap sucker punches in right?
Its not a good luck for you.
>not a good luck for you
You know what's a worse look though? Getting all your carriers and supporting ships recked by a few cheap-as-fuck container ships within the first 5 minutes.
You might be to able to knock out ONE carrier but you can't possibly think this trick would work multiple times
You try that and they'll start instituting 'cross this line and fucking DIE' barriers for any ship not blaring friend IFF, seemingly civilian ship be damned, by pretending to be a civilian ship to launch an attack like this you basically opened Pandora's box. ANY ship getting too close will at best get ONE warning before getting blown out of the water.
>getting a warning after a multibillion carrier with >5,000 souls gets sunk
Nope
And no one would blame them
they're effeminate little cucks who don't have the balls to pull the trigger
When are we getting flags on this goddamn board. I'm sick of it. Make these spergs get a VPN so I can instantly at a glance without subjecting my brain to IQ-lowering thought patterns of untermenschen by seeing where they're from.
>IQ-lowering thought patterns of untermenschen by seeing where they're from.
then why do you want flags?
ESL-kun...
you are not making any sense retard.
I want flags so I don't have to read their pointless drivel before realizing they're not american and instantly disregarding their opinions. It's not hard to understand if you understand context clues, a 3rd grade concept, but I guess that's beyond quite a lot of people here anymore.
PrepHole is now over 95% bots and shills.
>write dribble that's impossible to understand
>while calling random people who pointed it out ESL
ok retard
Yeah flags would be a good start. I honestly to God think we should just depeer with the chink and nork internet at this point. It would aggressively reduce the amount of fucktardedness for everyone else.
Shipping is cheaper going the other way
And it'll be YOUR fault because you seemingly refuse to realize every time one faction gets sucker punched by the other using civilian ID as cover, they react really really fucking poorly and a lot people die because you chucklefucks thought cramming a cargo ship full of anti ship missiles and take of the fact that the USN doesn't make a habit of randomly blowing up civilian ships for shits and giggles to get a cheap shot in instead of using, you know, all the fucking warships you keep boasting you're making.
If you're that desperate that your first strike strat is to use civilian cargoships to try to snipe USN vessels instead of using your navy you might just want to reconsider starting the war in the first place
The US's response.
>you will lose hard
>create future threat profile from one attack
>the americans couldnt possibly counter this!
arrogance is abundant here thats for sure
>the americans couldnt possibly counter this
Exactly. Can't counter shit when you're rusting on the bottom of the sea.
>Can't counter shit when you're rusting on the bottom of the sea.
>chinese somehow sink all 11 american carriers
>even the ones in port
>and every single blue water surface combatant
>without american intel pinpointing the missiles coming from the only attack vector: a civilian cargo ship
wow americans sure are dumber than the mighty and clever chinese
ha-ha. this entire mission relies on the Chinese not selling each other out for American citizenship. it will never happen.
>launches a few cruise missles at this and casually kills 30% of your population
>heh nothing personal kid
>heh nothing personal kid
Fuck off back to r*ddit, newfag
>Ukraine war tourist
I bet you can't even type nagger
everyone would know what it wad immediately because, you know, it'd never unload. it would be a perfect excuse to ADCAP every chink registered or destined vessel.
It's a very expensive and hard to conceal ruse in exchange for a highly uncertain benefit.
On the contrary, it's an impressively cheap and easy to conceal ruse in exchange for the certainty destroying your enemy's ability to project power over the rest of the globe.
Not really. How do you envision the cargo ship operating in fact? Does it sail around making normal deliverys until a time of war? Who staffs it? How do you cover up the extra equipment that's needed to make a missile work? Does it always sail around with the missiles? It just doesn't really make sense.
We have the state department, the CIA, and thousands of private/public financial institutions and concerns for that. The Navy is just there to keep shipping lanes peaceful and as a final response for terminal stupidity.
why do thirdies always think US and western hegemony is maintained through strength of arms?
Don't you think a cargo ship that never visits and ports, is staffed by PLAN officers, and constantly attempts to shadow USN assets would raise some suHispanicion?
right because the us navy just know exactly who crews what ship when and how? like they know everything magically?
No but this may suprise you that the number of container ships is relatively small and fairly well tracked both for purposes of International law as well as economic markets. Intelligence agencies also track Chinese military sites, chatter, and activities. A container ship with a strange itinerary, making stops at PLAN bases, and communicates on military comms would get flagged.
>t. Gruender Industries rep
Youre arguments rely on America being deaf, dumb, and blind beyond the realms of reality. But thats the point isnt? You dont believe it either because youre both farming (you)s
In his defense
>what is Pearl Harbor
>what is 9/11
If it happened before, it can happen again.
And those results were never replicated once the US woke up the dangers.
In this container ship scenario, the absolute best outcome for the Chinese would be inflicting damage on one carrier group...followed by multiple others pounding them and the Navy instituting a blockade that makes what happened to Japan look merciful.
They did, but they did not give the crippling blow they were seeking. Even the Battle of Leyte Gulf which was supposed to be a surprise action meant to destroy the allied landing forces and surface combatants was thwarted because of re-assessed tactics in recon and intel gathering. We can only hope America would maintain that flexibility. Which I think is true as the wider US military is pivoting towards peer-on-peer conflict
was thwarted solely due to the actions of Taffy 3 in a literal godamn miracle greater than Midway
>Southern Force: Almost complete Loss
>Center Force: Lost sister ship Musashi and cruisers from carrier air groups before getting anywhere close to the fleet. Still only sunk a jeep carrier and a couple of DD and DEs despite Halseys foul up with the fast battleships not being left behind for QRF
>Northern Force: gutted carrier squadrons, distraction that actually succeeded
Taffy 3 is given every credit it deserves for being the pinnacle of maritime bravery, but operation Ten-Go was a mission reliant on too many “miracles” to have worked
If the weather was different or they just plowed ahead and realized there was nothing else beyond that small force they would have steamed full ahead and blasted the marines onshore before Halsey could return, it nearly worked, its actually crazy that it didn't, just a couple different factors and the outcome would be completely reversed
>just a couple different factors
I think thats parallel to something I realized: Its not about which military is more perfect, just which side makes less mistakes. Adm. Kurita made a lot of mistakes, while Halsey made only two extremely poignant ones: Chasing Northern Force, and not leaving the fast battleships behind. History is funny like that
>not leaving the fast battleships behind
Depriving us of our Yamato on Iowa engagement, I'm so mad
>nooo why cant my battleships win against 10+ carriers
ten-go was nothing. even if they sunk 10 carriers the US would build 20 more next year.
For starters how does China know where the carriers will be two weeks in advance?
And after having committed an act of war just to get rid of a single carrier? You do realize the US has plenty more? Not to mention all the air bases all over the pacific in Japan, the Philippines, South Korea, Okinawa.... Reality isn't a fucking video game you dumb cunt.
here a have a pittance of a (you)
>Verification not required.
Filling the container ship with weapons and delivering them to American dissident groups (Neo-Nazis, tankies, MAGA fanatics, BLMnaggers, etc.) and getting them to start a civil war would be a vastly more efficient way to use it.
>American dissident groups
What a fucking meme. The only openly dissident of those is BLM, and even then they won't go beyond looting a walmart and selling that shit on Ebay. And that's probably the least fedpozzed of them all. You really gonna risk your operatives in the US just to give substandard weapons that those naggers could just buy at their local gunstore?
Even they’re controlled opposition anyway and currently heavily out of favor given the “leaders” a clear scam artists
>so they can sneakily send the ship next to a US carrier
What
>What
so they can sneakily send the ship next to a US carrier
China starved to death because all Chinese shipping gets grabbed or shot.
>but muh stocks would go down
No one would care if China pulled that shit
Well what's stopping the US from hiding F16s in such a carrier, sneaking up to china, and launching them?
1000s of final warnings
>vs. 600 million chink cannibals if the shipping stops
lmao
NO
PLEASE
DONT WARN US AGAIN CHINKA!
Why would they want to lose thier best customer? Is Jamaica going to buy all thier pastic crap Walmart sells?
Yet another thread where chinks perform the most absurd mental gymnastics to create a hypothetical scenario where a war vs USA results in anything other than complete obliteration of their forces to an extent that makes Desert Storm look like a fucking joke
lol. the modern us military?
kys chingroid
Doing this once, without 100% guarantee of success, then getting branded a terrorist state with your entire civilian shipping assumed to be pirates unless proven otherwise.
To be fair, Perfidious Albion did something similar without accusations of muh terrorism muh violation of muh laws of war.
>Perfidious Albion
Salty Argie doesn't understand what the RFA are.
>logistics ships are illegal
Are you fucking retarded my dude?
>Atlantic Conveyor
>logistics
Sure anon. That's why its designed to look like a civilian freighter.
>designed to look like a civilian freighter
Oh no he actually is retarded.
As much as I see this idea that China and the u.s would go into a direct conflict with each other, I just don’t fucking see it. War is always about someone making money for the MIC. And if not money then ideology but these days people don’t give a shit about ideology like they did back then. Maybe I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about, however until someone posts some huge incentive one side has in starting a war. There’s no logical reason that Chinese or US (governments) would really want to fight each other without it hurting themselves.
>Yes a surprise attack on the American Navy is the best plan
Yamamoto saw the glaring problems with the attack and only did it due to a lack of "better" options. Comparing him with the chinks is actually insulting.
Better question is "what's stopping china from doing that and targeting US container ships?" Taking on a carrier group might be a stretch but US is just as dependent on international shipping as China is, and I doubt even USN would be able to totally interdict any boat with a shipping container getting within ASM range of US shipping lanes. It would kinda be MAD for interdicting shipping lanes, since sure USN would be able to do it to China but vice-versa would suddenly be true also.
Second, while actually taking down a carrier with a container trap ship might be very hard, the constant danger would make it difficult for USN to operate
Lol what US container ships? We don’t have any domestic shipping lines. We used to have APL, but that got folded into CMA CGM.
I meant container ships going to USA, obviously both sides ships will be Liberian flagged or whatever. If US starts shooting Chinese container ships that are carrying "war materiel" (baby formula mistaken for anthrax powder... or vice-versa), Chinese could easily retaliate by hiding a few ASM containers and targeting valuable US shipping or heck, those refineries in the Gulf of Mexico
>Lol what US container ships? We don’t have any domestic shipping lines. We used to have APL, but that got folded into CMA CGM.
In the case of a full retard attack like OPs, it may lead to a rebirth of american shipping if the gov mandates it for security reasons.
Let's get busy making thousands of liberty ships again and sailing the high seas bros, also here is your letter of mark to take any Chinese vessels and concubines.
USA pirates 4 lyfe
I may sound like a clueless Japanese admiral now but does the US even have the will to go on a war footing? I feel in a Taiwan situation either no-one would care or antifa speds would firebomb shipyards. News cycles will jsut talk about how the war is disproportionally impacting trans single moms. Maybe I'm just a doomer.
Letter of marque. Not mark.
Bone apple tit my friend, let's not butter coat things and talk about vice principals. Sometimes you just have to cum clean and face the fact that a toad a so and take it and leave it. I know it's hard to accept the fact that Amernicans have surpassed you in the brain departments and book learning and it puts you in an awkwardly situation, but every kid goes through phrases. Don't judge a cover of a book by its look and make false acriminations.
>To whom it may concern,
>Fucking raid them commie ships, I approve lmao
>Signed, Mark
>In the case of a full retard attack like OPs,
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>I may sound like a clueless Japanese admiral now but does the US even have the will to go on a war footing?
See:
"In the case of a full retard attack like OP"
4th estate in US is strong, and would be obscenely strong during Pearl Harbor 2: Shipping boogaloo
I still watch WWII propaganda for kino fun.
>US is just as dependent on international shipping as China is
Not really. We (the North American master race) import cheap crap, but we're capable of making everything we actually NEED here on this continent. We're also capable of sourcing all the raw materials we need here.
The same is not true for China. A total breakdown of global trade means severe hardship in North America in the short term, but followed by an economic boom due to onshoring of industry - but in China, it means complete collapse and another Warlord Era. As well as neighbours grabbing up their territory. We don't have to worry about that here because our only land border is with some tiny central american shitholes and even Mexico by itself could deal with them.
>because our only land border is with some tiny central american shitholes
muttoid public education everybody
China won't try a Pearl Harbour because they know what happened to Japan.
>they know
do they?
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Thank you for your service, anon.
Wtf i got a warning for posting this kys trannyjanny
For what purpose
The entire bulk of everything that is out of range and owned by the U.S. that is literally waiting for this moment as an excuse to go over and return China to a pre ww2 economic level…
why bother spending the time and effort to do this when blacks are raping the entire country and the few whites that are left are shooting each other?
just wait it out and america will destroy itself.
You can do that, only if you're OK with being the next Japan and getting your shit so thoroughly pushed in that you become a new weapons testing range for the irrationally angry retard strength of uncle Sam.
You mean besides wasting several hundred to a thousand missile launchers and their crews at a time when they'd desperately need them?
What does doing that actually gain you? It would be a suicide mission as the ship would get sunk in return almost immediately and you've also basically just done another Pearl Harbor and are about to get slapped very hard back.
That is not only wrong, it’s spectacularly stupid considering much of the grid is hardened
Imagine the Suez Canal immediately after this shitshow, kek
What sort of situation would force China to weaponize civilian craft to get a cheapshot on a carrier that they can't already hit with the A2AD system? And if it can't be hit by that, it's probably not a risk to Chinese interests unless you genuinely believe the US will pull carriers over to the south china sea and you want to try and Pearl Harbour the Americans
Which, well, they could just do by targeting said missiles onto harbors capable of supporting carriers.
Seriously cannot think of a scenario where this would be any more useful than putting those missiles onto an actual delivery system
It’s “creative” so they think the US would never think of it, irregardless of the utterly insane shut the US cooked up during the Cold War making this look like an idea made by a child(which it might as well be).
I'm sure people can find creative ways to take a piss, and it's valid if you've got a valid reason & application, I just can't imagine what sort of situation causes and justifies such autism
Well that’s the thing, there isn’t, it’s all for show, their military is mediocre so they can show that off too much, so they have this shit, it looks scary and if life were a movie it would be a good idea. It’s just more propaganda for home, like all of Russias crap propaganda
Perhaps
I consider Chinese strategy to historically have been just; make your opponent trip over themselves and fail (and perhaps yourself at the same time if you're really good at it)
USA is very good at tripping over a seemingly "easy" objective, so, perhaps China doesn't have such as hard task
My issue is that it will absolutely destroy Chinese standing overseas, which is kinda important to them (which is why they do all this doomsday wacky posturing) so why would they actually carry it out
Well that’s the funny part given you mentioned tripping up, because literally doing anything aggressive at this point will ruin them, fuck just the wacky warrior wolf shit is killing their standing.
*I also think it’s supposed to be a surprise terror weapon, because using terror tactics on the fucking United States ever ends well
Why not just sending nukes inside containers disguised as heavy machinery and leave them in strategic ports ready to be activated and destroy all infrastructure?
Sanity
>China secretly builds a fleet of container-missile ships
>Sneak attacks the US Navy, prompting an international outcry over this war crime
>Gets absolutely wrecked by the world
I'm in, how do we make this happen?
Because the rapid shifting of so much weight would cause the ship to capsize before you got a third of the shots off.
A container ship is just a giant river barge, it's designed to shift a whole lot of weight in the most efficient and stable way. As soon as you start fucking with that carefully planned weight distribution, it becomes highly unstable and ends up yeeting most of its cargo and crew overboard at best, or just outright sinking at worse.
So what would happen is that the first dozen missiles would go off as planned, the next dozen would go wildly off course and any that fire off before the inevitable sinking would make a mag-dumping, hip-fired MG42 look accurate.
You would be better off just using a submarine or a normal warship, as it would be twice as successful at half the cost, since they can fire their weapons without sinking themselves 100% of the time.
The most viable use of fake container ships is pirate hunting and privateer work. Trying to do a modern pearl harbor against the US period is a VERY bad idea. However sailing around off Somalia or other pirate infested waters looking like lost idiots laden with goods and a "profitable" flag for ransom should be very effective great.
As kino as this would be i feel that the pirates would wise up after the first half-dozen hunts
Only if you leave survivors. Even then you just change the name and flag, repaint the cargo decks, and maybe shift a few empty crates around. If the pirates stop pirating entirely then mission accomplished.
Really though, I'm not worried about them wising up as you put it. They still do it with ships from half the world's navies actively hunting them so they're not the brightest folks.
Mark's letter of Marque marks out which flags and markings you can mark down as targets.
Even if you go a no survivors route, i feel you got non-aligned observers, or your own crew slipping something during shore leave, and the small-talk of your suppliers. Word gets around.
But yeah i suppose you could re-do the looks, wonder how often you'd have to do about it, could inflate operation costs
Honestly don't think repainting whenever you're in a port for resupply would bite into normal operating costs that much. Doesn't even need to be pretty either, just enough to make your super generic cargo ship look like it's got different cargo when viewed through a broken pair of binoculars.
As far as word getting around, I'm really REALLY not worried about that when it comes to groups like Somali pirates. In other places if they're smart enough to stop when the Tin Can's Revenge is in the area you're probably still getting a wage out of it and can be directly credited with a decline of piracy in the area which may have other benefits.
The other 10 US carriers.
congratulatiuons now nobody trusts you, intl trade plummets
evreyone hates you now
>only works once
>all Chinese container vessels are now attacked on sight
>Chinese economy colla....continues to collapse
>nobody on earth ever wants to buy anything from china or even shipped through a chinese port again
>haha take that mutts btfo
They can just nuke a carrier.
You mean aside from it being a declaration of war against the United States?
They've now just turned every Chinese civilian cargo ship into a legit military target and given the world's largest navy a justifiable reason to destroy every shipping vessel they own no matter where in the world it is.
Don't chinks realize that they need the world more than the world needs them? I thought they had high IQ's.
>I thought they had high IQ's.
All the High IQ ones left for Mexico.
>even the fucking Chinese are desperately coming here
They're willing to get potentially trafficked by the cartel just to get inside a 'declining' US. Think about that
>file
Why isn't the burger getting wider
Weird edit
He should be looking more mexican each time
Responding to yourself is embarrassing
Merchant ships have been requisitioned for military purposes for thousands of years. Retrofitting ships has been going on for just as long. It is not impossible for a navy to develop and use containerized munitions and weapon systems. In fact China did this during the Sino Vietnamese War. Probably others I am missing out. They parked self propelled artillery on the decks of merchant shipping vessels. The problem comes in when trying to get these weapon systems to work well together, I bet something could be cooked up, but as far as I know it is not wide spread or highly developed. It is basically the technical of the sea, you get what you paid for, at least historically.
I think the general idea with missile launchers disguised as containers is that they're for a "Pearl Harbor 2.0" situation where the chinks decide to lob missiles in a single overwhelming strike to destroy high-value assets and cause chaos.
Maybe because it's not easy to maintain a ship like this, if we want it to be durable and store enough equipment and fuel.
Not to mention that russians still have a sneaky missle train and the entire container thing was used in Ace Combat 7
Ayo I heard you want containers on your ships so I put container ships on your container ships so you can contain containers on your ships that you contain on your container ships
Please launch the surprise and deHispanicable attack on the memorial day of pearl harbor attack too. I am sure the Americans will just bend over for chinksect cock
>on the memorial day of pearl harbor attack
Probably the only way to top GWOT levels of public blood lust
Come on anon I’m tired of the mutt routine, what happened, have a bad day?
Aw is it now fun when they don’t play along 🙁
The fuck is with this obsession with article 5 anyway?
map game autism
+ anti-US diverse persons® seeking to undermine nato's procedural credibility since it's the only defensive alliance that matters in our timeline
+ refusal to read the literal two (2) pages of plaintext comprising the entirety of the nato charter
Same but with troops and infiltrating Taiwan
What if you just load the ship with cheap aliexpress electronics and sell it benefitting everyone oh wait we gotta have a war right because that's what CIA is saying which is 100% true
What is the point of going through all that trouble if you could just use a missile cruiser? Do you think a fucking Carrier Group would let some chink ship into "surprise missile attack" range (whatever the fuck that means) no matter if it's military or not??
The whole premise is so retarded because it literally gives you 0 benefit. I would maybe understand if you're talking about attacking a dock or something.
Getting nuked probably.
how the fuck is this thread still active?
What thread?