What's next for French air force when they don't buy F-35. Are they just gonna keep using Rafale?

What's next for French air force when they don't buy F-35. Are they just gonna keep using Rafale?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FCAS, joint French, German and Spanish stealth jet. That's the plan but I don't believe it will succeed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would be pretty funny if there was another disagreement, France split off again, and then made a better jet again on their own

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Funnily enough, that's how shit's looking now

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          gimi

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >France split off again, and then made a better jet again on their own
        This is exactly what's going to happen

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The froggies' biggest issue is that what they want, versus what the others need, is quite different, and, even more importantly, quite expensive.
      The froggos want a carrier-capable twin-engine jet, whereas all the others could easily make do with the F-35. The frog navy didn't get "Yes, dear" sadwojak-ed into accepting a single-engine jet as carrier plane, like the borgar navy did.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The dual-engine thing was surely settled a generation or two ago. It isn't in truth more resilient and causes reduced availability through higher maintenance requirements exactly where you can least sustain them (i.e., on an aircraft carrier in the middle of nowhere).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It still has the advantage that you can fly all the way to the scene of the crashlanding, instead of instantly turning into a really shit glider.
          But, true, single engines have a lot of logistical bonuses. All engines, be they big or smol, have the same rough layout of fiddly bitz.
          A single xbawxhueg engine has cheaper (since you don't need to miniaturize them as much) and more resilient (since they're larger/stronger) fiddly bitz compared to two smaller ones. It takes less time and effort to service. The control software is simpler. Training is simpler.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Realistically, it doesn't make a ton of sense to complicate a project and increase costs massively developing a twin engine jet when a single engine jet is comparable 90% of the time. Not to mention accidents where only one of the two engines fail DOES happen, but it's hardly worth designing around in a military fighter where you should be more concerned about your total force strength and reliability, and not worry about rare edge cases where 1 engine might fail.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Then again, all stealth fighters currently in development (BAE Tempest, Dassault/Airbus FCAS, Mitsu F-X) are twin-engined designs.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We don't know what NGAD (USAF) and NGAD F/A-XX (USN) are doing, but they're also probably twin engined.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >French, German
      OK two decades of extra bureaucracy, but will turn out good in the end
      >and Spanish
      Uuuh yeah this plane won't be flying

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Spain participated in the Eurofighter and A400M too

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >FCAS, joint French, German and Spanish stealth jet
      Surely this won't end if decades of wasted money and complete disaster

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are they just gonna keep using Rafale?
    Yes for another 20 years or so unless they ditch the joint European project that's not going anywhere

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The French are going to buy the F-35 as well. But it is going to be a twin engine version with canards.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PAK-FA will finally have international funding then?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      as long as Dassault exist the french will most likely go for a domestic option.
      if the FCAS fails they'll most likely create a derivative from the project and use that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The French are going to buy the F-35 as well. But it is going to be a twin engine version with canards.
      ..made & sold by Dassault Aviation & European participant, developed without Lockheed, the project will be named FCAS before getting a different name. In fact it will never be named F35.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would it be possible for Dassault to make a 5th-gen 'Super Rafale'?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Rafale is planned to be upgraded at least until 2035 with the F5 standard.
    Since the SCAF is a shitshow and already dead in the water, they will undoubtedly go for a domestic solution. Probably some sort of bigger delta wing twin engine with an open architecture, and some limited stealth capabilites.
    Dassault already made several claims that it's ready for a "plan B" in case the SCAF fails.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Indian Shill

      They have a plan uptill f6

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get how they're even bothering to plan future manned combat aircraft when the future is clearly autonomous.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are right that it is autonomous, we just aren't anywhere near there yet

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are right that it is autonomous, we just aren't anywhere near there yet

      That's going to take until the end of the century. Autonomy is not there yet.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Are they just gonna keep using Rafale?
    Yes we will, and in 20 years it will still be the sexiest aircraft.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's even the point with stealth when the potentional enemy can't even organize an air defence

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alright, what's so hard for euros to come up with something like pic related?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Indian Shill

      >Alright, what's so hard for euros to come up with something like pic related?
      It's called the rafale retarded moron

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah that's just for poor countries with retarded procurement plans, just like your shithole gandhi

        • 3 weeks ago
          Indian Shill

          Lmao you guys can't even make a functioning aesa radar you subhuman pisskinned piece of shit lmao. Rafale f-4 in its current config is still superior to your piece of kfag-21 fucking slit eyed buglet moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Rages at Koreans
            >Rages at Ireland
            >Rages at US
            You didn't redeem did you

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pierre, the muslim colony formerly known as fr*nce is so fucking out of ideas that you went crawling to krauts for your new plane.
            Stick to snails and lung cancer, that is youre good for.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's no better plane than the rafale available for sale for the countries that bought it for the purpose they bought it.

          The F35 is a good plane but for different purposes. Won't dogfight in an F35 when an F16 can run circles around it. Won't run air policing missions in an F35 to escort other aircraft out of the airspace.

          So the alternatives are : More F16s, F15s (not available to everyone), that SAAB joke, the overpriced Eurofighter, and what, Russian aircraft? The Rafale is the only sensible choice.

          moronshit need not apply.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Can you be any more obvious that the FA-50 lives rent free in your head?
            Your sperging on this thread confirms everything about the legendary gayry of frogs.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I said moronshit need not apply.

              Why would Croatia buy from you and not build better relations with France that's right next door? Why would Greece?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because the rafale is dead end garbage. Read thread.
                >build better relations with the muslim colony formerly known as fr*nce
                Kek. The Aussies tossed you morons aside like yesterday's snails. A relationship with you clowns is what many countries actively avoid.
                Funny how all partnerships involving you fags always seem to break down.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're some clueless gay, go be clueless somewhere else, get the fuck out of my PrepHole.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Seething about it isnt going to sell your mediocre planes, pierre. The only places that bought the rafail are either desperate or sanctioned shitholes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So send it to Ukraine then. Nothing to lose. Give it a swan song.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frogs too busy with their snails to train the ukies.
                Curious that they cant shut the fuck about these planes and yet those planes are nowhere to be found in the biggest conflict in europe since ww2.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >F35 can't dogfight
            This isn't ww2, good fighters have this thing called Bee Vee Rrr.
            Poors wouldn't know about that though.
            F35 would trounce the Rafail in every metric in a real scenario.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is an argument to be made that the F-35 is best served by an airforce that can fly AWACS nearby any potential hostile zone to provide accurate information to nearby F-35s.

              If you can't afford AWACS and multiple wings of F-35s in the air at the same time, you're kind of wasting the potential of the platform.

              Assuming you can only afford to send up a couple planes at a time for any given scenario, you might actually be better off with something more capable of dogfighting since you're not going to have the necessary information to properly utilize modern BVR options.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There is an argument to be made that the F-35 is best served by an airforce that can fly AWACS nearby
                Surely we aren't speaking to anons that don't know this simple fact. Obviously this is the main advantage of the F35 and how it can link up with all different assets.

                If you can't afford AWACS in 2022+2 just buy SAM systems because your entire airforce will get blown away by a single Squadron of F35s and an E7 wedgetail.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'll agree with you there.

                Most countries probably ARE better off investing in more robust AA systems.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'll agree with you there.

                Most countries probably ARE better off investing in more robust AA systems.

                most of these countries already have AA, Croatia notwithstanding. Again, you can't do air policing with AA.

                There's a reason the US keeps fleets of F16s, F15s etc still, even though they have F35s and F22s.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                US keeps F16s F15s because they are upgraded to a good fucking standard its not the same as a Rafale, Mirage 2000 and a Mig21 without AWACS support.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're missing the point, god has this board gone to shit, it's like I'm talking to mentally underdeveloped urangutans.

                Even if you have AWACS, you STILL need a capable fighter to intercept, dogfight and enforce your airspace sovereingty. And the Rafale is very capable for just that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Turd world problems require turd world solutions, deal with it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair, most of the US F-16s and F-15s are upgraded and better than almost anything else flying outside the F-35 and F-22.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Rafale is better than the F16V for this purpose. The 2040C Eagle is debatable, but it's an older platform overall withe everything that entails.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fair enough, but for the US at least, we already have hundreds of older F-16s we can upgrade to the new standard.

                Which is what we've decided to do, pic related.

                Other countries also already operating F-16's are going to upgrade their existing F-16s and or buy more F-16Vs (like taiwan which upgraded theirs and are buying another 66 brand new).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Of course the US isn't just going to buy the Rafale. But other countries, makes sense.

                Greece for instance has ordered both F16Vs, Rafales and will go for the F35. Different aircraft for different purposes. F16Vs being the workhorse, Rafales for air superiority/air policing and F35s for SEAD/DEAD/StealthFuckery.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dogfights happen daily.
              A stealthy fighter is great for actual war. But it's useless when you want to show force without actually going to war. Which is the case in most of these countries. Greece vs Turkey, Croatia vs other Balkans, India with Pakistan etc. etc.

              Enemy fighters get into your airspace. Your stealthy F35 goes up. Gets a lock. Great. Now what? You fire and start a war? Mentally write this up as a victory while the enemy fighters go about doing whatever they want? Send the F35 to dogfight and then escort the enemy fighters, a job which it's not designed to do and the enemy runs circles around it?

              Way to show you're some clueless retard though.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Dogfights happen daily
                No, intercepts do. Pakistan and India sperging out is just two retards hitting each other with sticks.

                Also see the main point of the post A REAL scenario aka a war not some cock swinging fest that turd worlders play. First world airforces pair F35s with Interceptors, must suck to be poor with Mig 21s.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Intercepts devolve into dogfights anon, when the aircraft intercepted won't submit. It literally happens daily over the Aegean, there's even footage on youtube.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nah that's just for poor countries
          Not when they literally cost double to triple what the F-35A does.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao you guys can't even make a functioning aesa radar you subhuman pisskinned piece of shit lmao. Rafale f-4 in its current config is still superior to your piece of kfag-21 fucking slit eyed buglet moron

        >poo
        >ardent fan of rafale
        >thinking they'll be allowed to take claim of it
        Fucking kek, just go back to your forum full of gays circle jerking over the godforsaken tejshit.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they will bend the knee

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder if the underbelly of the F-35 was purposely designed to be so goddamn erotic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should license the Su-57 or the Chinese thing.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They'll probably end up cloning the Tempest/F-X but with worse engines and more canards

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Rafale might be maintained and produced for a few more decades for the Navy and our aircraft carriers, but the Air Force will need a new multirole aircraft, thus being the corps to receive the newly manufactured jet first.
    And obviously, it will be domestically made by Dassault
    And obviously, it will be better than anything made by other european countries, and make anglo-saxon (bonjour Germany and England) subhumans seethe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      a team of trained frogs typed this post

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No need for a team, a single french is enough to trigger our eternal and mortal enemies

        EF shits all over the Rafale in A2A plus both Germany and UK have F35 and France has a legacy Mirage 2000 lmao

        >EF shits all over the Rafale in A2A
        Hahaha
        >Germany
        Please have a nice day Hans, with your prehistoric Tornado and your availability rate close to 0%
        >UK have F-35
        And you're using ramps on your aircraft carrier, you're on the same level as Russia and India

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Hans and Bong is the same poster of a single post
          Put down the wine and snails.

          Sorry you had to hear it like this, but your legacy jets are ancient and also very very shitty. The Rafael is also getting dated with its small radar in comparison to the new EF one.
          >Only has one carrier
          You're projection is worse than Russia and Indias you couldn't even fight a war 3000km away lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Reddit spacing
            >The Rafael
            Two reasons to not waste my time with you, au revoir

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              A reservoir is a man made lake for holding water

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>EF shits all over the Rafale in A2A
          I thought export competitions showed that?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>EF shits all over the Rafale in A2A
          >Hahaha
          >Much bigger radome
          >Newer, much more powerful AESA radar
          >Better thrust to weight ratio
          >Aerodynamics more suited for high speed turns and higher altitudes
          >Higher ceiling
          >Twice as much recessed hardpoints for meteor missiles

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>EF shits all over the Rafale in A2A
          >Hahaha
          >not honhonhonhon
          you had ONE job, Rafalefag
          I'm still rather have you shitpost instead of vatnik retards tho <3

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      EF shits all over the Rafale in A2A plus both Germany and UK have F35 and France has a legacy Mirage 2000 lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Rafale is a decent carrier plane, and can soldier on for another decade, but it really needs an electronics refresh (IIRC they updated the radar, but the IRST, Spectra suite, and a few other systems haven't been upgraded yet), and preferably more powerful engines. Those M88s are pretty weedy. Do you, or other French anons, know what happened with the proposal to redesign them for greater power?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Those M88s are pretty weedy.
        https://www.usinenouvelle.com/article/safran-choisi-pour-maintenir-en-condition-les-moteurs-du-rafale.N1130749
        The contract to maintain them is valid until 2030, perhaps after that a new engine will be on the table for the Rafale.
        Besides, hopefully by 2030, we will start making by ourselves our new multirole fighter

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >we will start making by ourselves our new multirole fighter
          wasn't it pushed back to like 2040-50?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Unfortunately, thanks to our corrupt government that still believes in a French-German cooperation
            Thankfully, Dassault is fiercely resisting to the concept, and I hope that the SCAF will die soon : let the clumsy and useless Germans buy stuff from the US, and let us manufacture our own fighter jets

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/PzWuWI5.jpg

        What's next for French air force when they don't buy F-35. Are they just gonna keep using Rafale?

        If the fighter component of the FCAS program fails (possible) or is delayed (oh so fucking garanteed), Dassault worked on an interim solution that would look like a enlarged Rafale to fit the longer, latest version of the M88 engine, and to be able to carry the next gen air to surface hypersonic nuke replacing the ASMP, which will be larger. It would have longer range and higher speed, but no clue how much.

        It would include all the upgrade of the 2028-2030 planned F5 upgrade of the Rafale (new IRST and upgrade of the ewar suite are on the list), and to help the entry-first/pre-strategic nuclear strike it is expeded to feature RCS reducing shapes, at least in the frontal arc.

        Think of what a stealthy SuperHornet would be to the Hornet, and you get the idea.

        First recipient would be the french nuclear squadrons. No clue if a naval version would be planned, bu that wouldn't be stupid for an entry-first scenario in an age of improved air defense, even though it would be a tighter fit on the Charles de Gaulle carrier. It should also be able to command loyal wingmen, like the Rafale F5 is expected to do.

        Pic related, apparently it's taken strait from a Dassault presentation from a few years back. At a glance it looks kind a bit beefier, with no fixed probe, modified air intakes, and twin rudders. Also note the ewar pods at the wingtips rather than missile rails.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >hypersonic nuke
          Vous aviez ma curiosité... Mais maintenant, vous avez mon attention.
          Also, I like the idea of it being the "Super Rafale" to the regular Rafae.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    India will probably have 5th gen fighters before France at this rate

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      France has lots of old stuff, if you look at its armor that is also very very old

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      France has lots of old stuff, if you look at its armor that is also very very old

      It turns out if you make decent stuff that works okay you can actually keep using it for quite some time.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or you just refuse to spend the money to replace them and keep lying to the public saying they're good enough for your needs even if they're not.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, that's India and their MiG-21 for you, certainly not France

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah that's France and that turbo jank Mirage 2000 lol

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Cope Pajeet
              And by the way, see the F-16? 76-1, that's the Mirage 2000, the only aircraft who ever shot down a F-16 (although, it was a Turkroach F-16, so flew by a non-white subhuman just like you)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Pajeet
                You dumb French cunt you realise Poos operate Mirage 2000s right lol? That's a legacy tier jet right there. France and India on the same level of shit Air Force.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wait your telling me India operates the same jets as France? No way does France still use the Mirage2000 that thing is ancient.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Pajeet
                You dumb French cunt you realise Poos operate Mirage 2000s right lol? That's a legacy tier jet right there. France and India on the same level of shit Air Force.

                >the village of France

                I never realised their air force was so miserable, what the actual fuck?

                96 (+42 naval) Rafales and 68 Mirage 2000s yet we have to pretend their country is somehow serious?
                >captcha: TTTTY

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeh it's really bad, the Mirage2000 is ancient so I doubt the 68 will be readily available.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Another retard from Reddit who can't do simple math
                Opinion instantly discarded

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What simple math are you talking about, anon?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                With an air force like that, frogs have basically preemptively surrendered in all future wars. They are consistent if anything.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are just stupid, the US & those other hostiles country/superpower are the one with more aircraft than they needed.
                The thing with France is that they've been selling their own air-force planes instead of increasing production, it reached a point there's more Rafale in other countries than in France (the US made a masterstroke selling their early-access F35 everywhere).
                Clearly didn't expect a real war and to be honest, this is logic. MAD is at work. Russia could only attempt to take over a tiny country, attacking from every side.
                The only reason to have an manned airforce nowadays is if you have complete air superiority and SEAD solution. France don't have enough drones but the FCAS is meant to have Wingmen type fighter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Better question.

                Why the FUCK won't France with its working brain send ancient plane to glorious Ukraine?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Poos operate Mirage 2000s right lol?
                And so?
                Greece operates M2000 and shot down a F-16
                Taiwan operates M2000 and I can't wait to see them tearing the asshole of the Chinese Air Force and of their soviet/russian junk

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you thinking I'm a Poo for laughing at the Mirage 2000 is fucking retarded. How fucking dumb are you?
                >Greece, Taiwan, India, France
                Seems very popular with turdworlders, I hear they got fucking rekt by a Harrier jump jet lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So you thinking I'm a Poo for laughing at the Mirage 2000 is fucking retarded.
                In English?
                >Seems very popular with turdworlders
                Let's list the customers of our Mirage 2000 and Rafale : South America (Brazil, Peru), Europe (Greece, Croatia), Middle East (UAE, Qatar), Asia (India, Indonesia, Taiwan)
                Care to tell us your country so that I can laugh and do some cherry picking too? (I hope that you are from the US by the way, since with the exception of France and the US, no one exports fighter jets like us)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh and I forgot Egypt (both M2000 and Rafale)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >South America (Brazil, Peru), Europe (Greece, Croatia), Middle East (UAE, Qatar), Asia (India, Indonesia, Taiwan)
                All countries that are too poor to afford decent domestic designs or US aircraft.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >countries that are too poor
                >India, Qatar, UAE
                The absolute level of cope, have some decency and remain silent

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Christ your stupid. Originally you called me a Pajeet for insulting the M2000, which I said is retarded of you to say because Pajeets use the M2000 you brain dead monkey.
                >South America, Greece, Croatia, India, Indonesia, Egypt
                100% turd worlders you stupid cunt

              • 3 weeks ago
                Indian Shill

                >I hear they got fucking rekt by a Harrier jump jet lmao
                India was a harrier jumpjet user angpoo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No one cares about India bro, it's just a dump.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Indian Shill

                Yet you are talking about us from your irrelevant garden gnome shithole island lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Forgot the pic : https://i.imgur.com/WAZbfp0_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

              • 3 weeks ago
                Indian Shill

                76-2 the mig 21 shotdown the fag-16 fagguete

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Proof?
                You don't have any
                >Poo
                You have too many

              • 3 weeks ago
                Indian Shill

                Good one now back to sharting in mart shartson mcpooper
                Also as for proof
                https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/news/national/did-india-shoot-down-an-f-16-of-the-pakistan-air-force/article26830937.ece/amp/

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So no, no proof at all just poo loads if POO

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They released AWAC radar images. What else do you call a proof. Ofc US will deny that thier e-boi f16 was shot by a 50s era mig

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Let's see them then.

                >Nah that's just for poor countries
                Not when they literally cost double to triple what the F-35A does.

                Poor countries can't buy the F35 because they aren't allowed

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Good morning sir!

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Brits out of FCAS

    >brits thinking they stand any chance to partner with germany after brexit
    >brits wanting partner with germany after the ukraine war shenanigans
    >brits wanting to partner with germany even though the germans are notoriously corrupt and in too deep with russian gas

    Lol
    Lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bongs have never been involved in fcas though, they're making their own jet

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        actually both programs are called FCAS

        Most people refer to the British FCAS by the BAE name Tempest.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the fuck is this guy trying say? Anyone speak dumb?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thinking he's refering to the attempts of merging the 2 FCAS programs

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          far more likely Tempest (FCAS) merges with the F-X program.

          UK/JP as primary partners and keeping Italy/Sweden as secondary partners.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Agreed. Britain wants their jets this half of the century so they have something to replace the Eurofighters. Merging their program with France and Germany would add another ten years before they get an operational replacement, and the replacement they do get would likely be less suited to their needs.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Merging with France or Germany would be the most stupid thing they could do. Tempest has some good traction right now with competent partners the last thing you need is French stupidity and German greed thrown into the mix.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh 5th gen fighters.
    LOL, those things will NEVER be used in real combat, only basic bombing against some arabs here and there at best.. and you could do that with 4th gen without issues.
    By the time China finally starts its big war, 99% of air combat will be done with drones and muh 5th gen fighters will all be left in their hangars

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So they won't start a war until the end of the century?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    France won’t have any stealth aircraft until 2050. Isn’t that funny? They’ll have an Algerian tier air force because they refuse to buy American jets.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which is dumb considering most of their allies (that can afford it) have bought F-35s.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    French anon here.
    Just wanted to say that Dassault is the hardest company to get into (then only take ppl from X/ENS which is out MIT equivalent).
    It is the most prestigious company atm along with Thales and Safran.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are they just gonna keep using Rafale?

    You say that like it's a bad thing.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's a good lookin' fighter jet and it probably has hardly any Chinesium components.

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