whats more difficult? >1500 feet of elevation in 2 miles. >3500 feet of elevation over 7 miles

whats more difficult?
>1500 feet of elevation in 2 miles
>3500 feet of elevation over 7 miles

i want to get to the next level of mountain hiking. i havent done anything too significant yet but thats mostly because i get winded after about 1500 feet no matter what trail im on. i can make it to 1500 feet in about an hour and a half but im pretty tired. i want to try to get to the peak of the mountain but im worried ill get destroyed. are there any techniques i could use to maintain my strength going up the mountain? what is your experience?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Inherently the 2 mile one has a greater incline, but the 7 mile also has the increased distance. It really depends on how you hike. I can do incline easier than others. An hour and a half to hike 2 miles? What sort of load are you carrying ?
    And is your path pretty smooth dirt, or rocky/uneven ?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      i pack really light, just my camera and just barely enough water. the trails are really washed out now so there is lots of unevenness and loose scree. its a pain going down sometimes. if i attempt the peak i will have at least 10-15 pounds of load. mostly water. i keep a pretty good pace early on but i have to take several breathers on the way up the shorter trail. usually run out of water at the top but the way down is only like 45 mins to the car.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >what is more difficult, 2-3 hour loop or a 7 hour dayhike
    Gee i wonder

    Is post-2020 PrepHole just a bunch of post covid citidiots going outside for the first time because their favorite restaurant is locked down?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      People discussing a trail is more PrepHole than some /misc/-reject who just spams images from his demoralizing image folder. What a sad life you (dont) live.

      https://i.imgur.com/cFgApNt.jpg

      i pack really light, just my camera and just barely enough water. the trails are really washed out now so there is lots of unevenness and loose scree. its a pain going down sometimes. if i attempt the peak i will have at least 10-15 pounds of load. mostly water. i keep a pretty good pace early on but i have to take several breathers on the way up the shorter trail. usually run out of water at the top but the way down is only like 45 mins to the car.

      Pack an extra liter of water, best to not assume you will be back in 45 minutes. Make sure you drink well the night before.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        thanks, im figuring it out as i go.

        https://i.imgur.com/t1qcEXp.jpg

        >what is more difficult, 2-3 hour loop or a 7 hour dayhike
        Gee i wonder

        Is post-2020 PrepHole just a bunch of post covid citidiots going outside for the first time because their favorite restaurant is locked down?

        anon is right lmao.i live in a city and ive been hiking all the time for about 2 years. im not in the best shape and i have been working up to this hike. its pretty well trafficked trail. its the la luz 137 in the sandias.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I've done la luz before, it's not easy. Make sure to bring some food and eat on the way up or you'll run out of energy. It can help to start early so you're not in the heat so much but you may also just need to build up to it with more short hikes. If you have a friend to go with, you can stage a car at the base of the tram and take the tram down to make it easier on yourself.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The answer is to just go do it. Pack enough water and just go for it, even if it takes you all day.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >no one replied to this
      lol

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        im gonna reply when i do it.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    For me, incline is more difficult than distance.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >>1500 feet of elevation in 2 miles
    This is an afternoon's hike

    >>3500 feet of elevation over 7 miles
    This is a day hike.

    The answer, OP, is that there shouldn't be a reason you can't do the 7 mile trail, unless you're 50 years old with bad knees and no endurance. Just try it. Estimate how much time you'll need to get down, when you need to be back at the trail head and turn around at that time if you don't make it up.

    Maybe I'm D-King here (as I've been hiking since grade school) but I feel like people worry way to much about irrelevant details. Maybe we should start a /mfhg/ - My First Hike General?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Maybe we should start a /mfhg/ - My First Hike General?

      >put on boots
      >go outside
      Is it really that complicated? I swear to god these zoomers who have been raised on the internet don't seem to be capable of any independent thought or action

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Get real mountains. My spring training hikes gain 3500 feet in two miles.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      As Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson once said;
      "Shut up, b***h"

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry for hurting your fee fees foothill struggler-upper. I run 12 year Olds up 3k elevation gains in a few miles to toughen them up for real mountains.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry for hurting your fee fees foothill struggler-upper. I run 12 year Olds up 3k elevation gains in a few miles to toughen them up for real mountains.

      What's the point of these irrelevant posts? To flex on a bunch of anonymous zoomers who barely go PrepHole? To feel better about living in overpriced liberal wasteland? You do realize that you can train for big mountains even if you don't live in a mountainous area, right?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They don't go out. Most the board is LARPers. The rest post helpful information.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >What's the point of these irrelevant posts?
        newbies misinterpeting appalachianlet bashing (which has always been funposting board culture) as a dick measuring size contest (because /misc/Black person tourists are obsessed with penis size)

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They don't go out. Most the board is LARPers. The rest post helpful information.

        >posts a moronic question about easy as frick hikes that cubscouts could do laps on
        >cries about getting mocked about it

        https://i.imgur.com/TupOcxD.png

        >What's the point of these irrelevant posts?
        newbies misinterpeting appalachianlet bashing (which has always been funposting board culture) as a dick measuring size contest (because /misc/Black person tourists are obsessed with penis size)

        PrepHole was created in 2013 turbomoron. No one cares about your wiener fettish. 7 miles is an afternoon walk--that's why you're worty of mockery.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not the OP. Your thread-hijacking is worthy of mockery.

          https://i.imgur.com/TupOcxD.png

          >What's the point of these irrelevant posts?
          newbies misinterpeting appalachianlet bashing (which has always been funposting board culture) as a dick measuring size contest (because /misc/Black person tourists are obsessed with penis size)

          Try reading the thread before responding next time. The OP said he is hiking in the Sandias. You're 1,500 miles off genius.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Thread hijacking
            Tell me you Reddlt without telling me you reddit. If your thread is so crap that it's derailed by the slightest mockery the problem isn't the agitators.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              The thread was fine until you decided to use it as an opportunity to brag about your mountains and how everyone should fellate you for having them in your backyard. Weird flex dude.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Also, the term "thread hijacking" predates Reddit and was used on older message board forums decades ago. But you only seem to be familiar with Reddit.

                >I am the thread police
                >I am fat and feel like crying about a day hike because my feelings are hurt
                >I'm going to pretend I know something about BBS culture
                Keep crying fatty. The key to hiking in the desert is don't be fat. If you have to go online to ask for advice on a 7 mile hike with minor elevation gain: you deserve to be mocked. There is no such thing as thread hijacking or thread necromancy on PrepHole, reddlt tourists whine about it because they are moronic and keep responding to b8 and want to force reddlt culture on the chans. Stay mad.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                What are you even talking about? Did you miss the part where I said that I'm not the OP? A little reading comprehension goes a long way.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                bro, i am op. not that dude. you are a gay and didnt even read my posts before you started your uppity tirade. its clearly obvious that you spend almost all your free time online. i made the thread to hear others experiences and see what advice they might have for me. you can slip and slide down my taint for all i care you little weasel.

                >7 miles is hard
                >3k feet elevation gain is hard
                >hiking in NM in Jul is hard
                Literally only fat fricks struggle with any one or any combination of these.
                It's not that I can't read or comprehend: it's the fact that all of you are obese loosers making excuses for being weak.
                Please, more Cope. Keep it coming.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                When did I suggest that I struggled with any of the above, you absolute tard? Unlike you, I'm looking at it from the OP's perspective (someone who says he currently gets winded after 1,500 feet of incline) and am trying to help him improve his hiking game instead of tearing him down to feel better about myself. What have you contributed to this thread besides irrelevant, unhelpful boasting about how awesome your mountains are, how PrepHole you are, and how superior you are to Redditors when you obviously visit that site regularly enough to know what expressions are heavily used there?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >How dare you wronthink and not echo chamber
                OP is out of shape. I am absolutely going to fat shame someone who wants to be a hiker asking for advice on making hiking easier and more fun. The answer is obvious: lose weight.
                OP is also hiking in the SW in July you turbo moron. Fat out of shape people have died under hot conditions even on a poultry 7 mile hike. Losing weight will literally save their life.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Well, I guess your obvious "lose weight" advice is an improvement to your previous suggestion of "get real mountains". Still don't know what your purpose ITT is.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Still big mad
                >Still clueless
                Get real mountains is, ultimately, the answer. After they lose fricking weight they will realize those mountains ARE the training mountains you limp wristed city dweller.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I think you mean go to real mountains. "Get real mountains" implies that he can just import K2 into his backyard. Either way, it's stupid unhelpful advice for someone looking to train in his own region.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                He's in near the Sandis you brain dead moron. He's surrounded by much more difficult hikes. He basically needs to hike that training loop once a week and walk several hours a week besides... and stop eating fricking cheese burgers.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                So why did you originally suggest that he "get real mountains" you utter spermwaste?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >being this moronic
                Simply amazing
                OP os obviously b***hing about a training hill. Get real mountains. The subtlety of English is clearly beyond you.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Quit backpeddling and work on your communication skills. "Get real mountains" implies that OP doesn't have any real mountains anywhere near him. You are deliberately being obtuse. I'm done with you, clown.

                I bet you don't even train much on the mountains that you constantly brag about. You probably just look at them out the window most of the time.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >I have the reading comprehension of a child
                Read the next sentence and feel bad about being moronic. You never started with me. You just kept saying moronic things and I mocked you for it.
                Stay mad fatty.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You're the last person who should be talking about reading comprehension issues when you've confused me with the OP multiple times in this thread.

                >Stay mad fatty.
                Nice projection. People who are actually competent and experienced hikers don't waste their time insulting relative newcomers like the OP. You sound like a Dunning-Kruger case who probably looks like a total NARP on any serious trail. I bet it won't be long before the OP hikes circles around you.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >You confused me with op
                Never once actually
                >Uber hikers don't mock weakling fatties
                Wrong
                ...meanwhile in reality
                >I live around shit mountains and am a fat, insufferable c**t... but I'm going to defend another obvious fatty because ... BECAUSE
                Your fat and live on the east coast or in Europe...either way shit mountains

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You're clearly a moronic troll. You thought I was the OP here

                [...]
                >posts a moronic question about easy as frick hikes that cubscouts could do laps on
                >cries about getting mocked about it
                [...]
                PrepHole was created in 2013 turbomoron. No one cares about your wiener fettish. 7 miles is an afternoon walk--that's why you're worty of mockery.

                and here

                [...]
                >I am the thread police
                >I am fat and feel like crying about a day hike because my feelings are hurt
                >I'm going to pretend I know something about BBS culture
                Keep crying fatty. The key to hiking in the desert is don't be fat. If you have to go online to ask for advice on a 7 mile hike with minor elevation gain: you deserve to be mocked. There is no such thing as thread hijacking or thread necromancy on PrepHole, reddlt tourists whine about it because they are moronic and keep responding to b8 and want to force reddlt culture on the chans. Stay mad.

                In the real world, most competent hikers aren't insecure homosexuals like you and try to give encouragement to newer hikers and out-of-shape hikers. Maybe it's different in your insufferable corner of the country.

                You're wrong on all counts. I don't live on the East Coast or in Europe. And I'm probably in much better shape than you've ever been.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                this was a fantastic flame war. i didnt know my thread would rustle so many jimmies. no im not out of shape, i had knee surgery in june last year and i have been working really hard to get back to 100%. i actually just packed out of rainbow in routt national forest. no cell service since saturday. i also guarantee i can deadlift more than .

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Based. Don't mind that other guy. I would be an angry c**t too if I were stuck in some overpriced, overcrowded hellscape like LA.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                bro, i am op. not that dude. you are a gay and didnt even read my posts before you started your uppity tirade. its clearly obvious that you spend almost all your free time online. i made the thread to hear others experiences and see what advice they might have for me. you can slip and slide down my taint for all i care you little weasel.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >i made the thread to hear others experiences and see what advice they might have for me
                Getting this thread back on topic....

                This time of year, I would suggest building up your cardio and endurance on the east side of the Sandias where it's noticeably cooler. The 10K Trail is a good place to start putting in some miles at higher elevations. Go train there and work your way up to running/jogging it. Then go up South Peak via the CCC trail on the eastern side of the mountain. It has more incline than 10K but is still on the eastern side where the sun and heat won't wear you down as much. Go as far as you can, and if you don't make it on your first try, keep at it. That's how you build your hiking stamina over time. Incremental gains.
                By the time fall rolls around and temps cool down, you should be ready to take on La Luz, Embudito, or any other Class 1/2 trail on the western side of the Sandias. I trained at much lower elevations, on hills with much less incline. You have a lot of good hiking trails east of ABQ, an advantage that I didn't have coming from the eastern foothills. Gaining 3-4k feet over 10-15 miles is obtainable with consistent training, dedication, and persistence. Get at it!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                1500 is much easier, 3500 is 2000 more feet. I recommend taking a no break to a 5 min breaks every 30min or so while consuming 30-60 grams of carbs per hour. Try starting with 1 energy bar or something per hour. Along with some salt in your water. If you want to try hard it mix however many carbs of honey per hour in your water and drink and refuel at the same time. Drink to thirst. You can go far-further and become far more tired than you think possible so start early. And keep going. The food is to keep your from running out of sugars in your muscles and keep you from what is know in cycling as "bonking" or hitting the wall. Which is where your body enters ketosis where you are burning fat. The water+salt is to keep your hydrated. I find that 0.5 teaspoon of salt per liter of water works well for me. I would start with less than that. Also at some point you are going to feel slight sick from the sugar intake due to your blood being diverted to a decreased ability to intake carbs from long exercise. I just keep going with my fueling schedule because bonking sucks.
                Other anons can correct me if I am wrong
                Don't forget to eat a shit ton of protein and a glass of chocky milk afterwards though.

                thanks for the info anons! i still have so many trails to see in new mexico. its my favorite part of living here. i usually never bring any food on my hikes. i didnt know that lack of food might be an issue even on the smaller hikes. you guys have given me newfound confidence and a deep feeling of peace regarding my future hike.
                picrel is manzano twin peaks by nuclear silos.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Also, the term "thread hijacking" predates Reddit and was used on older message board forums decades ago. But you only seem to be familiar with Reddit.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty much distance is always my measure of difficulty. Maybe that's oversimplifying but even if it's straight up, 2 miles is such a short distance that I'll feel like it was "less of a hike" than 7 miles.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I went back and checked, and I have a few real life examples of these that I’ve actually hiked.

    >GSMNP
    From Twenty Mile trail head, to the AT, then on to the first shelter is about 7 miles with ~3,600ft of elevation gain, all uphill.

    >Pin-Chin-Sky loop
    It’s in Alabama, on section 2 or 3 of the Pinhoti. There’s a trail that’s roughly 2 miles and probably 1,500 feet of elevation gain. It’s basically a series of switchbacks that cut up the side of a steep hill/mountain, then the trail mellows out and follows the ridge line.

    >Grand Canyon day hikes
    They vary, but we did a South Kaibab out and back (yeah, in one day, despite the signs saying not to). It’s just under 7 miles one way and 4,800 feet.

    The Pin-Chin-Sky loop approach was the hardest, but it’s kind of hard to say. You go to the Grand Canton knowing that out and back will be hard so your sort of mentally prepared. The and GSMNP is more like a trip I was really excited for, because I don’t make it there too often. I just remember that steep climb in Alabama being really hard.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw beginner level mountain over here is 3000 feet of elevation in 3 miles

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I recently did 5,000 ft elevation over 6 miles and my legs were toast. I’m a regular hiker and only had a day pack. Coming back down the trail was just as hard honestly. Just try not to take long breaks because thy always seem to do more harm than good. It’s best to keep moving until it’s time to sleep or until you finish the trail.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    1500 is much easier, 3500 is 2000 more feet. I recommend taking a no break to a 5 min breaks every 30min or so while consuming 30-60 grams of carbs per hour. Try starting with 1 energy bar or something per hour. Along with some salt in your water. If you want to try hard it mix however many carbs of honey per hour in your water and drink and refuel at the same time. Drink to thirst. You can go far-further and become far more tired than you think possible so start early. And keep going. The food is to keep your from running out of sugars in your muscles and keep you from what is know in cycling as "bonking" or hitting the wall. Which is where your body enters ketosis where you are burning fat. The water+salt is to keep your hydrated. I find that 0.5 teaspoon of salt per liter of water works well for me. I would start with less than that. Also at some point you are going to feel slight sick from the sugar intake due to your blood being diverted to a decreased ability to intake carbs from long exercise. I just keep going with my fueling schedule because bonking sucks.
    Other anons can correct me if I am wrong
    Don't forget to eat a shit ton of protein and a glass of chocky milk afterwards though.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    1500 feet of 5.12a climbing.

    No but seriously it depends on your personal endurance limits. Do 1500ft of gain as fast as you can consistently and see if your time goes down. Then up the ante.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Who done it: Tahquitz CA
      Ben there done that larper

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    While the 3500 in 7 miles is going to be overall more strenuous throughout the day I also think unless you enjoy scrambling you will have an overall more pleasant experience of it. I dont really enjoy steep scrambles that much so the bothersome sections of a 2 mile 1500 climb will just make the experience less fun to me overall. Of course check to see what the hikes elevation looks like ahead of time too because there's always tracks where despite a longer length almost all of the elevation gain is in one not very fun section,

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Scrambling is usually way more enjoyable than a constant push up a regular hiking trail, and feels more like a real climb even if it's non-technical

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