a rifle with a scope
gunnaggers have the incessant need to give "cool" names to familiar shit so they can differentiate themselves, similar to teenage girls and their endless variations of aesthetics
You can get specifically autistic to the answer of that question. Generically, it's a rifle with a forward mounted scope. However, to the person that coined the term, it's a high powered light weight rifle with a sling, a bipod and a forward mounted scope, typically in .308. The design was intended to make snap shots at dangerous prey, think a lion or boar jumping out at you from the brush. I have no doubt that if the designer were building his rifle today, it would be an AR-10 with a red dot.
Look, I'm going to be very honest with you right now. I have a scout rifle (I consider it a scout rifle) and it kind of sucks... but I love it. In fact, it's probably my favorite gun to shoot.
Mine is in .350lgnd and suppressed with a shitty all steel 9mm can. With subsonic ammo it's not annoyingly loud and the bolt action is smooth. I also had a hell of time tracking down a proper scout scope with the extra long eye relief. It's damn near a pistol scope. I don't shoot it super accurately. It's not that quiet. It's not that powerful. It is legal to hunt with in this state but I don't hunt. No, what the scout rifle has is surprising amount of charm in the function of how it all comes together. >picture related
It's just nice to carry and a pleasure to shoot, not sure what else to say.
Really the only reason why he wanted the forward mounted scope is so the gun could be loaded quickly, which at the time meant stripper clips. But yeah, the concept today is an AR-10 with a low power optic. There's no need to forward-mount the optic when you can load with mags instead of stripper clips.
The real answer was that it was a cope rifle for African safaris. African gun laws didn't allow rich safari hunters to bring semi automatic rifles hunting. It's for a niche that does not exist in the US and no longer exists in Africa.
Bolt-action rifles were common for safari hunting, but rarely with the configuration Cooper wanted. Most safari rifles would have been a larger caliber, had either express sights or a traditional scope, and would have been much heavier. And the hunter was a rich traditionalist they would have hated Cooper's insistence on a synthetic stock.
Honest answer, and I think the caliber selection too was in part to avoid laws forbidding military calibers.
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Wrong, stupid post.
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Wrong, well maybe today but not originally.
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Also wrong, they're almost by definition bolt action.
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...also wrong.
Holy fuck, I know /k/ went to shit but this is just sad.
>was in part to avoid laws forbidding military calibers.
Jeff Cooper's original design was in 7.62x51. He also had nothing against semiautomatics and said that they should be used if you could find one compact and light enough. His gripe with semiautos was that in his opinion they were too large and heavy.
I have heard a vastly different story about the forward scope and is you could still see around the scope. It was trying to mimick what a red dot does today in that you didn't give up your peripheral vision and could still scan brush while then being able to quickly pick up the scope reticle. This would be in contrast to a large short relief scope that makes the rifle almost unusable in closer quarters.
Nope, never read his stuff. It seems to be commonly accepted that the scope placement was inspired by a German WW2 gun. So, it's quite possible that the Germans had done that to allow stripper clip feeding, though I do not know of any official documentation to that affect.
Do you have any direct quotes from Cooper himself on the scope placement? I don't think the 2 ideas are mutually exclusive.
Read his article from '84 where he describees the concept of the scout rifle.
The scope is mounted foward to allow stripper clip use for fast relaoding.
The real answer was that it was a cope rifle for African safaris. African gun laws didn't allow rich safari hunters to bring semi automatic rifles hunting. It's for a niche that does not exist in the US and no longer exists in Africa.
It’s supposed to be a WW2 style bolt carbine stripped down for low weight
https://i.imgur.com/olqykOh.jpg
You can get specifically autistic to the answer of that question. Generically, it's a rifle with a forward mounted scope. However, to the person that coined the term, it's a high powered light weight rifle with a sling, a bipod and a forward mounted scope, typically in .308. The design was intended to make snap shots at dangerous prey, think a lion or boar jumping out at you from the brush. I have no doubt that if the designer were building his rifle today, it would be an AR-10 with a red dot.
Look, I'm going to be very honest with you right now. I have a scout rifle (I consider it a scout rifle) and it kind of sucks... but I love it. In fact, it's probably my favorite gun to shoot.
Mine is in .350lgnd and suppressed with a shitty all steel 9mm can. With subsonic ammo it's not annoyingly loud and the bolt action is smooth. I also had a hell of time tracking down a proper scout scope with the extra long eye relief. It's damn near a pistol scope. I don't shoot it super accurately. It's not that quiet. It's not that powerful. It is legal to hunt with in this state but I don't hunt. No, what the scout rifle has is surprising amount of charm in the function of how it all comes together. >picture related
It's just nice to carry and a pleasure to shoot, not sure what else to say.
Iron sights are supposed to be acceptable too and less fragile
Honest answer, and I think the caliber selection too was in part to avoid laws forbidding military calibers.
You know how WW1 rifle scopes were stupidly heavy and expensive, and only occupied 1 or 2 degrees of your FOV? Imagine that but on an M1A.
Wrong, stupid post.
A marketing gimmick
Wrong, well maybe today but not originally.
https://i.imgur.com/MWjIRnQ.jpg
A suppressed single shot SBR.
Also wrong, they're almost by definition bolt action.
a rifle with a scope
gunnaggers have the incessant need to give "cool" names to familiar shit so they can differentiate themselves, similar to teenage girls and their endless variations of aesthetics
...also wrong.
Holy fuck, I know /k/ went to shit but this is just sad.
There can be customs hold ups that can derail your safari trip with semi-autos where a bolt action wouldn't bat an inspector's eye, if you're playing it safe.
Nope, never read his stuff. It seems to be commonly accepted that the scope placement was inspired by a German WW2 gun. So, it's quite possible that the Germans had done that to allow stripper clip feeding, though I do not know of any official documentation to that affect.
Do you have any direct quotes from Cooper himself on the scope placement? I don't think the 2 ideas are mutually exclusive.
Read his article from '84 where he describees the concept of the scout rifle.
The scope is mounted foward to allow stripper clip use for fast relaoding.
For moving target acquisition and leads at shorter distances it's a non-trivial improvement over a closer mount position. LPVOs make it a matter of indifference, if you're so inclined.
The LGS has a very tempting joog deal (about $700 after all fees) on a new .308 Ruger Scout Rifle with a finish like picrel.
Is the gun itself worth that price? Mechanically seems like basically a modernized Mauser in an easier to source and slightly cheaper caliber so I could afford to shoot it more than my actual surplus Mauser.
My plan is to throw a cheaper LPVO like the new Primary Arms 1-6x Nova Gen 4 and a Magpul RLS sling I have lying around on there and use it for general innawoods stuff.
Is this idea rarted? Is the Ruger Scout Rifle rarted? Is the whole Scout Rifle/brush gun concept rarted?
X-posting from the other scout rifle thread I made before I saw this one up:
The LGS has a very tempting joog deal (about $700 after all fees) on a new .308 Ruger Scout Rifle with a finish like picrel.
Is the gun itself worth that price? Mechanically seems like basically a modernized Mauser in an easier to source and slightly cheaper caliber so I could afford to shoot it more than my actual surplus Mauser.
My plan is to throw a cheaper LPVO like the new Primary Arms 1-6x Nova Gen 4 and a Magpul RLS sling I have lying around on there and use it for general innawoods stuff.
Is this idea rarted? Is the Ruger Scout Rifle rarted?
Goddammit, who keeps trying to make it look like I'm samefagging?
X-posting from the other scout rifle thread I made before I saw this one up:
The LGS has a very tempting joog deal (about $700 after all fees) on a new .308 Ruger Scout Rifle with a finish like picrel.
Is the gun itself worth that price? Mechanically seems like basically a modernized Mauser in an easier to source and slightly cheaper caliber so I could afford to shoot it more than my actual surplus Mauser.
My plan is to throw a cheaper LPVO like the new Primary Arms 1-6x Nova Gen 4 and a Magpul RLS sling I have lying around on there and use it for general innawoods stuff.
Is this idea rarted? Is the Ruger Scout Rifle rarted?
In terms of a combat weapon, it's rather outdated. In terms of a high precision long range target rifle for groups, it's not really built for it.
In terms of a lightweight rifle to carry off into the woods and hunt with, its' fantastic.
I really like shooting my Ruger Scout rifle and to date nobody has outdone the Mauser action. Can you hunt with .308 in your state? Even if you don't want to hunt, the local resale value is better if you can.
I'm telling you, something about them is just delightful to pick up, carry and shoot. I would describe it as a shooters gun, a fudd gun and thoroughly enjoyable gun. However, if it doesn't tickle that bone, leave it be. You'll just end up selling it.
>In terms of a lightweight rifle to carry off into the woods and hunt with, its' fantastic.
That's exactly what I need it to be.
I'm not trying to reenact Red Dawn or Carlos Hathcock's greatest hits with it. I just need it to be reasonably rugged and easy to maintain, easy to carry for long distances and accurate and hard-hitting enough to make clean kills on typical medium size American game inside of 300m that can also be used effectively for self-defense against a possibly gun-armed human attacker in a pinch.
>I'm telling you, something about them is just delightful to pick up, carry and shoot. I would describe it as a shooters gun, a fudd gun and thoroughly enjoyable gun
My thoughts exactly when I first tried one out. It felt like a lot of thought went into making the design as unfussy and as comfortable and easy to shoot and carry as possible. A rifle for people whose idea of spending time outdoors and hunting isn't just sitting in a blind or a treestand for a couple hours, firing one shot and driving their ATV half a mile back to their car.
More distance than a pulse rifle, less magazine size than an auto rifle rifle, medium reload speed. Less precision damage than a sniper rifle. 2-4x scope
look at that smug motherfucker sitting there so breedingly
It's a dude...
>implying males don't breed
You have to make it boypregnant anon
>PLAP PLAP PLAP
a rifle with a scope
gunnaggers have the incessant need to give "cool" names to familiar shit so they can differentiate themselves, similar to teenage girls and their endless variations of aesthetics
A suppressed single shot SBR.
i can dig it
A marketing gimmick
a rifle for scouting. when you’re done scouting you swap to the rifle for shooting.
You can get specifically autistic to the answer of that question. Generically, it's a rifle with a forward mounted scope. However, to the person that coined the term, it's a high powered light weight rifle with a sling, a bipod and a forward mounted scope, typically in .308. The design was intended to make snap shots at dangerous prey, think a lion or boar jumping out at you from the brush. I have no doubt that if the designer were building his rifle today, it would be an AR-10 with a red dot.
Look, I'm going to be very honest with you right now. I have a scout rifle (I consider it a scout rifle) and it kind of sucks... but I love it. In fact, it's probably my favorite gun to shoot.
Mine is in .350lgnd and suppressed with a shitty all steel 9mm can. With subsonic ammo it's not annoyingly loud and the bolt action is smooth. I also had a hell of time tracking down a proper scout scope with the extra long eye relief. It's damn near a pistol scope. I don't shoot it super accurately. It's not that quiet. It's not that powerful. It is legal to hunt with in this state but I don't hunt. No, what the scout rifle has is surprising amount of charm in the function of how it all comes together.
>picture related
It's just nice to carry and a pleasure to shoot, not sure what else to say.
Oh, and if I recall correctly, that was a 3 shot group but only at 25 yards, might have been 50 but I don't think so.
Really the only reason why he wanted the forward mounted scope is so the gun could be loaded quickly, which at the time meant stripper clips. But yeah, the concept today is an AR-10 with a low power optic. There's no need to forward-mount the optic when you can load with mags instead of stripper clips.
Bolt-action rifles were common for safari hunting, but rarely with the configuration Cooper wanted. Most safari rifles would have been a larger caliber, had either express sights or a traditional scope, and would have been much heavier. And the hunter was a rich traditionalist they would have hated Cooper's insistence on a synthetic stock.
>was in part to avoid laws forbidding military calibers.
Jeff Cooper's original design was in 7.62x51. He also had nothing against semiautomatics and said that they should be used if you could find one compact and light enough. His gripe with semiautos was that in his opinion they were too large and heavy.
I have heard a vastly different story about the forward scope and is you could still see around the scope. It was trying to mimick what a red dot does today in that you didn't give up your peripheral vision and could still scan brush while then being able to quickly pick up the scope reticle. This would be in contrast to a large short relief scope that makes the rifle almost unusable in closer quarters.
>I heard a vastly different story
Have you tried reading what Cooper himself wrote?
Nope, never read his stuff. It seems to be commonly accepted that the scope placement was inspired by a German WW2 gun. So, it's quite possible that the Germans had done that to allow stripper clip feeding, though I do not know of any official documentation to that affect.
Do you have any direct quotes from Cooper himself on the scope placement? I don't think the 2 ideas are mutually exclusive.
Read his article from '84 where he describees the concept of the scout rifle.
The scope is mounted foward to allow stripper clip use for fast relaoding.
You know how WW1 rifle scopes were stupidly heavy and expensive, and only occupied 1 or 2 degrees of your FOV? Imagine that but on an M1A.
Cute deer
The real answer was that it was a cope rifle for African safaris. African gun laws didn't allow rich safari hunters to bring semi automatic rifles hunting. It's for a niche that does not exist in the US and no longer exists in Africa.
It’s supposed to be a WW2 style bolt carbine stripped down for low weight
Iron sights are supposed to be acceptable too and less fragile
Honest answer, and I think the caliber selection too was in part to avoid laws forbidding military calibers.
Wrong, stupid post.
Wrong, well maybe today but not originally.
Also wrong, they're almost by definition bolt action.
...also wrong.
Holy fuck, I know /k/ went to shit but this is just sad.
god this place... ugh... i... i just need to think about this... please just give me a moment...
>and no longer exists in Africa.
There can be customs hold ups that can derail your safari trip with semi-autos where a bolt action wouldn't bat an inspector's eye, if you're playing it safe.
For moving target acquisition and leads at shorter distances it's a non-trivial improvement over a closer mount position. LPVOs make it a matter of indifference, if you're so inclined.
Its the rifle used to get your badge
why is there a powder bag
black powder shooting was pretty common at scouts, though not the only kind.
.22lr bolt action used for earning the merit badgr
Rifle for scouts.
Retarded gun magazine fagshit.
>b-b-b-but muh Jeff Cooper
Fuck off.
As bad as gun youtubers are nowadays, magazine writers were 10x worse.
Marketing
The LGS has a very tempting joog deal (about $700 after all fees) on a new .308 Ruger Scout Rifle with a finish like picrel.
Is the gun itself worth that price? Mechanically seems like basically a modernized Mauser in an easier to source and slightly cheaper caliber so I could afford to shoot it more than my actual surplus Mauser.
My plan is to throw a cheaper LPVO like the new Primary Arms 1-6x Nova Gen 4 and a Magpul RLS sling I have lying around on there and use it for general innawoods stuff.
Is this idea rarted? Is the Ruger Scout Rifle rarted? Is the whole Scout Rifle/brush gun concept rarted?
Goddammit, who keeps trying to make it look like I'm samefagging?
calm down
X-posting from the other scout rifle thread I made before I saw this one up:
The LGS has a very tempting joog deal (about $700 after all fees) on a new .308 Ruger Scout Rifle with a finish like picrel.
Is the gun itself worth that price? Mechanically seems like basically a modernized Mauser in an easier to source and slightly cheaper caliber so I could afford to shoot it more than my actual surplus Mauser.
My plan is to throw a cheaper LPVO like the new Primary Arms 1-6x Nova Gen 4 and a Magpul RLS sling I have lying around on there and use it for general innawoods stuff.
Is this idea rarted? Is the Ruger Scout Rifle rarted?
In terms of a combat weapon, it's rather outdated. In terms of a high precision long range target rifle for groups, it's not really built for it.
In terms of a lightweight rifle to carry off into the woods and hunt with, its' fantastic.
I really like shooting my Ruger Scout rifle and to date nobody has outdone the Mauser action. Can you hunt with .308 in your state? Even if you don't want to hunt, the local resale value is better if you can.
I'm telling you, something about them is just delightful to pick up, carry and shoot. I would describe it as a shooters gun, a fudd gun and thoroughly enjoyable gun. However, if it doesn't tickle that bone, leave it be. You'll just end up selling it.
>In terms of a lightweight rifle to carry off into the woods and hunt with, its' fantastic.
That's exactly what I need it to be.
I'm not trying to reenact Red Dawn or Carlos Hathcock's greatest hits with it. I just need it to be reasonably rugged and easy to maintain, easy to carry for long distances and accurate and hard-hitting enough to make clean kills on typical medium size American game inside of 300m that can also be used effectively for self-defense against a possibly gun-armed human attacker in a pinch.
>I'm telling you, something about them is just delightful to pick up, carry and shoot. I would describe it as a shooters gun, a fudd gun and thoroughly enjoyable gun
My thoughts exactly when I first tried one out. It felt like a lot of thought went into making the design as unfussy and as comfortable and easy to shoot and carry as possible. A rifle for people whose idea of spending time outdoors and hunting isn't just sitting in a blind or a treestand for a couple hours, firing one shot and driving their ATV half a mile back to their car.
a meme
>a meme...
...rable little pile of secrets! But enough talk, have at you!
A hunting rifle but with a relatively shorter barrel.
More distance than a pulse rifle, less magazine size than an auto rifle rifle, medium reload speed. Less precision damage than a sniper rifle. 2-4x scope