What's a flatter shooting cartridge than .308 for a bolt action gun that I could buy and stack for cheap, which will actually last into the future?
There are lots of different full power rifle cartridges out there. Lately there's been a proliferation of six point something cartridges that keep popping up and then disappearing. All of them shoot flatter than .308 but all are expensive and none have staying power. Where I live the only thing as popular as .308 is .30-06 and I almost never hear about anything else.
What about any of the durr rifle cartridges some fudds like such as .243 or .270? Will those be around a while and not tooooo costly? I know nothing for full power rifle cartridges will be as cheap as .308 will and .308 will be around for like another 60 years since cops and armys won't stop buying it. But what else could I buy?
300winmag
gay meme shit
this anon has it right
I too love changing barrels after every box
Hey buddy.
You just blow In from stupid town?
6.5cm is not a fad. It's being adopted by world militaries, and had replaced 308 in any competition series with a manufacturer series.
moron, depending on the load, 6.5 isn't flatter than .308 untill 700-1100 yards.
Where did this bullshit that I keep seeing repeated on here come from? It absolutely does shoot flatter. How flat something shoots is wholly based on velocity, and 6.5cm is greater at the muzzle, 200 yards, 500 yards, and 1000 yards.
gay, use any ballistic calculator.
Even hornady's ballostic calc, using their fsctory loads, .308 with a 165 accubond Vs 6.5 with 140gr accubond, the .308 remains flatter until ~500 yards.
Using max pressure handload data, both using ELDxs, the 308 is flatter until 800 yards.
Don't buy a caliber because of memes and then just parrot bullshit.
You dumb gay, you're choosing a hot 308 round with greater velocity than the 6.5CM round. Exactly what I said - flat shooting is entirely based on velocity. A cannonball traveling at 3000 ft/s would shoot flatter than 308 until its velocity dropped below the 308.
What? .308 is a great cartidge but it has significant drop WAY before that.
.243, 7mm-08, .270 are all good choices. .270 is the most pervasive out of those.
.280AI if you're a gigachad reloader
Luv me 243 splattering chipmunks to mule deer its got you covered.
Recommend rifles for .243?
Oops I meant .270.
word on the street 243 gets silly when it goes subsonic due to lack of mass. ymmv
99.9% of rifle bullets get shitty when hitting the subsonic barrier
Silly how? Just spins out when it runs out of energy?
it becomes unstable in the transonic zone.
like all bullets.
as this guy said.
though there are heavier 243s that won't so much.
still a neato round.
270 isn't bad either.
try as this guy said 300 win mag. the us army uses it in their m24. used to use 308. apparently that wasn't good enough. fuck if I know why. 338 lapua is also popular.
also, 3006 is also a good round.
and there's all kinds of crazy 7mm hunting rounds. go nuts. 7mm magnums and stws and all kinds of stuff.
.30-06 is ancient, on it's way out, and isn't ballistically different enough from .308 for it to matter to OP.
>millions of rifles chambered in it
>kills shit dead
>on it's way out
I'd like to sell you on this nifty new round .444 Marlin.
Fuddy -06 popularity is dropping like a stone, since anyone can look up ballistics/load data now, and see .308 essentially matches it.
So if 30-06 will get the job done, so will the cheaper, more common .308, and if 308 "isn't enough" you'll need something bigger than 30-06.
Fudd dogma is the only thing that's kept it alive the last 50 years
That and everyone inheriting grandpappys rifle. Not like they dissolve after 10 years.
And that only works of they were a true fudd, as if they were not a true fudd, the barrel throat would be blown out from use.
Fudds probably hunt more than your average dude and how many rounds does it take to wear out the barrel of a Win70?
>hunting = high volume shooting
I see you've never be hunting.
A thinner bullets provides better BC (long-range flatness), less weight provides more velocity (short-range flatness). A thinner bullet will weigh less than a wider bullet of the same length, but you can sidestep the contradiction by choosing a cartridge with more case capacity (more velocity), a longer bullet (more weight), and/or a longer barrel (more velocity).
So what do you want it for? If the only criteria are that it must be superiour to .308 in its flatness in shooting at all ranges and that it must be popular, I recommend 6.5cm. If it must also be cheap, I recommend .260 remington.
30-06 has around 20-25% more capacity. The cartridge is long and thin, which typically means a lower than expected velocity for the capacity, and the standard pressure spec is lower by around 3.5%. 30-06 returns somewhere around 5-7% more velocity at PMAX, which translates into just under 10% more energy. But the numbers change with bullet selection.
Neat. Now .260 is something I've never heard of before. It seems like on the cheaper end of things there's a lot of .2-something out there.
I've been googling the difference between .243 and .270 and it seems like .270 has way more recoil and much heavier bullets that can take larger game at longer distances. But .243 has much better velocity within it's first 100 yards.
Isn't .300 win mag stupid expensive? If OP is looking to stack high something that's not very costly but still flies flatter that .308, I don't think .300 win mag would be it.
7mm magnum and 300 winmag both start at about the same with hunting ammo according to ammoseek. which is the 1.50 ballpark. idk. if you want something flatting shooter that also retains its momentum at that range, you're going to need something bigger with more velocity. pick something common and it will be cheaper. 7mm stw is over 4.00 a round.
300 win mag hunting/match loads aren't much more expensive than .30-06 or .308 hubting/match loads.
Obviously you can get cheap .308 fmj
.220 swift
270 Win is probably what you're looking for, but nothing will be comparable to the .308 that is as cheap as .308.
Both
Both seem like they start to give up at 180 yards, which I already shoot at witu .17hmr so this is really weird to me considering .17hmr is a rimfire cartidge.
None of my shooting lanes are over 80yds and I hate right of way hunting with a passion so it doesn't really matter.
6.5cm is replacing .308 like it replaced 30-06.
Simple as.
Pretty sure it's fighting against 6.8.
Not really, percs of 6.5 is it can fit into short actions and ar10s. 6.8 western goes against 270.
>noguns tourist doenst even know about the 6.8x51/277 fury, which has .270 wsm ballistics in a short action
>esl
>grand, sweeping statements about X thing being way better than Y thing and how it will totally replace Y thing
>Beliefs are based on a fundamental misunderstanding of reality
Post gun with timestamp.
.308 replaced .30-06 because it offers performance nearly identical to the .30-06 while being a rimless, short action cardtridge, while 6.5 has advantages and disadvantages over .308 that make it better in some waysand worse in others.
You could make the argument that .277 fury is replacing .308 due to the NGSW program, but not the 6.5 cm.
*cartridge
yeah Arthur Russia sure is having trouble with the asymmetrical parts of the Ukrainian defense.
6.5cm currently outsells 308 every hunting season
Do you have a single fact to back that up because that seems laughable given popularity on ammoseek which in and of itself biases toward people who buy bulk ammo.
The actual facts are that 5.56/233 is the most sold center fire rifle cartridge, followed by .308, I can't remeber the exact top 10, but I know .30-06, 243, 270 win, and 7mm mag are on it, and I pretty sure 6.5 isn't even on the top 10, or if it is, it's floating near the 10 spot.
If faggoids claim that it "sells out over .308" during hunting season, that would be because far less 6.5 is made than .308, because far less people buy it.
Interesting. Source?