I have one and it chokes on anything that isn't S&B or PPU. SAAMI-spec 32 ACP isn't hot enough to make it work. That's the biggest problem with 32 ACP. It was much more popular in Europe during its heyday because yuro-spec ammo is more punchy.
I think it's great in very small/thin/light autos like the keltec, only issue is it's tough to find hollowpoints that expand reliably. for that reason would love to see the p32 in 30memecarry where velocity is higher and expansion has more potential
.30 S&W is too high pressure to work in something as small as a P32. That's why the baby 9s you see are all much bigger. It isn't a packaging issue, the reciprocating mass just has to be a certain weight to function well.
Locked actions and delayed blowback actions can get away with a lot less mass if they're designed properly, the tricky part is making one strong enough that fits in a pocket pistol.
Locked actions and delayed blowback actions can get away with a lot less mass if they're designed properly, the tricky part is making one strong enough that fits in a pocket pistol.
Even a locked action needs a certain amount of mass to control slide speed and timing. A 32 will always be able to work with much less metal just due to it's lower pressure. .30SC was designed to work in 9mm sized guns and anything smaller wouldn't be able to handle the pressure.
just like .380 about ten or so years ago it's an anaemic little round that should have been left on the trash heap of history. Yeah, companies are jumping on the bandwagon right now. But while .380 was at least a real 9mm cartridge this one here is a round where you need to be happy if you reach more than 220 joules E0.
It's much better than 22lr or 25acp.
Not quite as good as 9mm mak or 380.
I've been trying to find a 16" barrel blank with the correct twist rate for 32 for a while personally though, want to build a sharps rifle clone with an octagonal barrel for...I don't know why, I just really want to.
I've wanted a .32 ACP bolt action rifle ever since playing Fallout 3. It seems like a silly idea, but if .22 LR is fine out of a bolt action for plinking/popping varmints, why not some hot handloaded .32?
i like dis here bebetta. we need new models though. i have 2 p3ats, really curious if anyone can speak to the difference in recoil between those and the p32. 32 is a cool little cartridge. probably the bare minimum i would feel comfortable depending on. maybe more so than 380 even.
Meme. The lower recoil compared to .380 out of tiny pocket guns is attractive but it simply offers inadequate penetration for self defense use while being too pricey for a plinking round.
32ACP is to .380 what 9mm is to .40S&W. There was at least a general realization that .40 wasn't actually doing all that much differently at the cost of recoil. 380 hasn't had that, I suspect because most 380s sold are pocket guns the owners never actually shoot because they're awful. Every compact and micro pistol in 380 would be vastly improved if instead it were chambered in 32. The ballistic difference is minimal, and with the correct ammo selection which is literally any FMJ the 32 meets or slightly over pens the FBI gel test standard.
>Double the E0 >muh foot pounds
And yet both 380 and 32 tend to under penetrate with JHP loads if they expand, and fall within similar depths if they don't or FMJ is used. The minimal to almost non-existent ballistic gain of 380 is out weighed by the ease of quickly and accurately placing 32 hits, given they both penetrate similarly. They are small handgun calibers, making a lot of small holes that go deep enough to hit vitals fast is the point.
both 32 acp and .32 s&w are black powder cartridges from the fucking 1900s. you kind of have to be an idiot to think that these are anything but historical curiosities or novelties. people still use 22lr so obviously it's not about age its about parameters of design and the industry moved on past 32 caliber before the year 1900. Why do people still shoot it? i guess it still works
You might want to look up when the current most popular handgun calibers were developed before using age as a factor. Almost everything in current popular use is from 1899 to 1905. That and 32ACP was never a black powder cartridge.
>under penetrate with JHP loads
I don't know why Americans have this bizarre obsession with carry JHP and only JHP. Yeah, it helps control penetration and it marginally increases a wound channel, but penetration to vital organs is still far and away the most important factor. Carrying .32 with a solid copper/hardcast flat point would be better, but you just don't see that anywhere. I think Buffalo Bore is literally the only company and that gets the fact penetration is better than expansion in general.
https://i.imgur.com/TljwtgB.png
We need a full size handgun in it. It'd be so fun to shoot. Also wtf I hate PSN now.
Arex makes it, but they never brought it to the US.
I'm the first anon you were replying to. I did a bad job of implying it in my post, but I do actually advocate for FMJ in smaller caliber handguns like .32ACP and even 380 to an extent. Those loads that look like solid copper drill bits are very interesting.
>The ballistic difference is minimal
.32 fails to stop attackers nearly half the time, which is in line with .22lr and .25 ACP performance. .380 fails 13% of time which is in line with all of the other big boy calibers. The difference isn't minimal it's massive. >any FMJ the 32 meets or slightly over pens the FBI gel test standard.
I don't expect to be attacked by a block of gel. The value of gel testing is only in that it can be a useful measuring stick for comparison of loads with SOME calibers. The second those gel test results start differing meaningfully from real world results those gel test results become meaningless. I don't give a fuck about whether your .32, .22, or birdshot load barely made the minimum in gel, they don't work in real life.
Source?
If a handgun bullet penetrates adequately, that’s really all that matters as long as you’re not worried about hitting someone behind the target or the “overpenetration”.
A .32 that makes it through is going to be functionally the same as any other handgun round that also makes it through. >people aren’t gel
I agree with this but if a round makes it through the gel it won’t have any problem making it through a normal person.
>Source
Ellifritz OIS study the same one that graph up thread is from, .32 shills like to quote the % stopped in one shot but ignore the % not stopped at all section. Similar results from other studies iirc >if a round makes it through the gel it won’t have any problem making it through a normal person.
Incorrect, gel doesn't do a good job of measuring performance for a lot of loads. Of particular concern is that it doesn't account for bone. Bird shot would be a great example of this, despite penetrating 8"+ in gel it will frequently be stopped cold or redirected entirely by any bone including relatively fragile ones like ribs or the sternum. Just compare X-rays from people actually shot with them to gel results, gel really isn't predictive of projectile performance when you get to extremes like bird shot or mouseguns and even service calibers penetrate significantly less after passing through ribs/sternum. This doesn't seem to be as big of a deal with service caliber rounds(presumably greater momentum means the differences are less pronounced) or smaller FMJ that get PLENTY of gel penetration(ex .380 could loose a lot going from gel to real world and perform adequately) but when it comes to the truly marginal calibers the real world performance just isn't there.
The gel is supposed to take bone and stuff into account which is why the minimum penetration requirement is 12” whereas an actual person wouldn’t need nearly 12” to get to the vitals.
Birdshot shouldn’t count because its performance is variable since it’s so many small pellets and you said it penetrated 8” which is 4” short of passing.
If a 32 fmj makes it past 18” in gel, it by all means has adequate penetration on real targets.
Yes, there are other real life variables but the gel is pretty good at determining penetration.
While we’re on the subject, I do think .22 and .25 is too small to adequately penetrate consistently for the reasons you’ve stated, but I think .32 is the point of adequacy. Fmj should be carried in both .32 and .380 since these rounds are low powered and should just poke holes. There should be no functional difference between the likes holes of a .32, .380, or 9mm.
I think a .45 hole is superior but the other attributes of the round make it not the best choice, but that’s a conversation for another time.
I think what the previous author was claiming was that gel, even though it is firmer than flesh, still does not do an adequate job of accounting for bone. I agree with this. This is one of the reasons that I Rely more on shooting statistics and even anecdotes related to different caliber Firearms as opposed to ballistic gel test. In regards to the 32 ACP being a usable caliber for defense, I will say this about each one of the minor calibers.
The 22 long rifle is just too dirty, too small, issues with feeding, not a Centerfire cartridge and so on. There are just too many things wrong with it to be a go-to defensive caliber.
The 25 ACP is extremely Niche, sometimes still has issues with feeding and unless someone is completely unable to handle the snap of higher calibers, it's just qualified due to the foot pounds of pressure generated from Impact. Also, it has even worse ballistic performance than the 22 long rifle.
The 32 ACP is also pretty niche. We can't even cite recoil as a potential reason for Carry, because most of the 32 ACP guns are fairly old, increasing it's recoil, which is roughly comparable to a 380 ACP anyway. Also, ballistics are very similar to the 22 long rifle.
The 380 ACP is much less niche. There's plenty of ammo and Firearm platforms bouncing around. The ballistics are not great, but they're definitely doable, especially if you're looking for a very small firearm.
Based on ballistics, I think 32 ACP has an actual niche in being a small Centerfire cartidge for people who can't quite handle a 380 ACP in a small enough platform, but the only example of a firearm like this I can think of is the 32 ACP Kel-Tec.
I can see why the 25 and 32 ACP have been slowly fading from the scene for about 30 years now. They were basically the pocket pistol 380 before pocket pistol 380s existed. My brother owned a 38 ACP Beretta, and it was a cool gun. I liked it. I just realized why it doesn't serve a huge purpose anymore.
>% not stopped at all
There are some real oddities in his 32 acp data that he doesn't address, such as the fact that the rounds/encounter is much lower with .32 acp than with common service cartridges like 9mm and .45 acp. Marshall & Sanow mentioned in their study that most of their .32 acp shootings were from cops using their backup gun, i.e. by the time the .32 acp comes out shit's already gotten extremely dire, whereas service pistols are typically being used at somewhat longer ranges so there's more time to get more shots in. This also likely plays into the .32 acp's wierdly high one-shot-stop percentage in ellifritz's data, a .32 acp through the perp's mouth while he's trying to get your gun out of your holster is a high percentage stop.
both 32 acp and .32 s&w are black powder cartridges from the fucking 1900s. you kind of have to be an idiot to think that these are anything but historical curiosities or novelties. people still use 22lr so obviously it's not about age its about parameters of design and the industry moved on past 32 caliber before the year 1900. Why do people still shoot it? i guess it still works
I have a shitty Zastava m70 in .32 and it’s really fun to shoot. Makes me want an actual nice .32 pistol like a pocket hammerless or Mauser hsc.
I also have the original iteration of the beretta 84 but in .380.
It’s cool and also fun to shoot but not as fun as the .32.
The .380 out of the beretta is snappy and you can feel it in your hands slight pain and some blowback stuff gets in your face sometimes. In fact 9mm out of a beretta 92 is more pleasant on the senses.
The .32 is just a dream. Shame .380 dominates it in the states.
Oh shit, a family friend just offered me an M70 basically for free, but at first I was hesitant untill he told me if I don't take it he's gonna have it destroyed. After that I decided I should take it
Some anon posted here some time ago about being shot with .32 acp. He lived, but has a colostomy bag now. So, that's one anecdote. Perhaps given the shot placement, he would have survived a hit from any handgun caliber. Still, I'd like a gun chambered in it.
>obsolete
At this point I'd say so since it requires the same frame size as .380 and .25ACP is finally getting loadings that meet modern defensive specifications. Not that .25ACP is particularly relevant anymore, especially with all of the .380 offerings dropping in the past year. I have the nastiest feeling that .380 is no longer going to be panic proof.
#00 buck is 8-9 .33" 50-60gr shot @ 1100-1200fps and every piece of shot often exceeds FBI pen test requirements. A sawed off is even less velocity than that, and most people still don't want any of that shit in their life. Euro loadings of .32 auto are nearly there velocity wise out of a 4" barrel, and with a comparible bullet weight or heavier.
It's an under utilized round. It's absolutely perfect for folk who (for whatever reason) fall below what might be considered the "average" shooter. I'm talking about little old ladies, people who are vertically challenged, folks who may have neurological disease that impares their hand strength, folks that are just recoil averse and flinch super easy, etc. I'd love to see a resurgence (or at least a couple of options on the market) of the 32acp revolver. I'd love to see something like the P365 in 32acp. I'd love to see a full size pistol in 32acp. I'd love to see a PCC (maybe like the Sub2000) in 32acp. I'd love to see a matched pair lever gun/revolver combo in 32acp.
But the market just isn't there. It's too niche for anyone to tool up for.
Also, fuck Beretta's 3032. It's garbage.
I carry my Beretta 81FS regularly, along with a 38 Special j-frame and a SIG P225. I don't feel undergunned with the 81FS, because I can pour them into the bullseye at 15yds as fast as I can pull the trigger, it's a fucking can't-miss bullet hose.
I probably shouldn't carry the P225, it's a Swiss-made (Hammerli) pistol that was a trade-in from the Vatican. But then I remember that Pope John Paul II probably blessed it at some point, and I strap it on and go with God.
As far as I know, SIG didn't actually make any of the P22x pistols in Switzerland. The swiss marked ones were made in Ekernforde like all the others, but finally assembly of parts was done in Switzerland in order to be able to mark them as "Swiss."
I also have (and carry) an 85F that usually has a .32 acp barrel in it. The single-stack cheetah models can shoot either .32 acp or .380 with just a barrel swap, the springs, extractors etc are all identical between the two calibers, and the only difference between the magazines are the witness holes and the markings, tube, spring, and follower are all the same. The double stack models do have unique magazines, though that isn't much of an impediment.
My thoughts are: Browning didn't design any of his rounds with hollow points in mind, 45 works because it's case is big enough that +p means enough, 9mm was an SMG round and happens to work with hollowpoints, 40 and on were designed with hollowpoints in mind
I like .32 because it seems a lot of the oddball pistols from the early 20th century were at least offered in .32. I mean, offhand, the Frommer Stop and the Hamada are available in .32.
Mentioning the Hamada is not worth it, but this was just offhand.
>Morons arguing which kid-size round is less shitty >Chads just carrying 10mm Auto hardcast and fuck everyone up who needs to be shot
You guys amuse me. I'd rather hit someone with only one or two rounds 1cm and be sure he's dead mead than firing an entire magazine of .32 LolKek and hoping I've hit something vital and rounds have penetrated deep enough.
Can you be the first then to prove you are a "10mm Chad"? We've been waiting fucking days for one to actually show up, buncha all talk no action bitches here.
We need a full size handgun in it. It'd be so fun to shoot. Also wtf I hate PSN now.
Wish granted.
That's PDW.
I have one and it chokes on anything that isn't S&B or PPU. SAAMI-spec 32 ACP isn't hot enough to make it work. That's the biggest problem with 32 ACP. It was much more popular in Europe during its heyday because yuro-spec ammo is more punchy.
You should only be shooting Fiocchi.
it was bequeathed unto us by lord john moses browning, therefore it shall never be obsolete.
It's nice, fast accurate followed up shots and all that
Certainly ain't the best but I wouldn't feel underarmed with a nice .32 pistol for sure
I think it's great in very small/thin/light autos like the keltec, only issue is it's tough to find hollowpoints that expand reliably. for that reason would love to see the p32 in 30memecarry where velocity is higher and expansion has more potential
.30 S&W is too high pressure to work in something as small as a P32. That's why the baby 9s you see are all much bigger. It isn't a packaging issue, the reciprocating mass just has to be a certain weight to function well.
Is that only true of blowback pistols or does it apply to locked breach as well? Genuinely curious
Locked actions and delayed blowback actions can get away with a lot less mass if they're designed properly, the tricky part is making one strong enough that fits in a pocket pistol.
neat thanks
Even a locked action needs a certain amount of mass to control slide speed and timing. A 32 will always be able to work with much less metal just due to it's lower pressure. .30SC was designed to work in 9mm sized guns and anything smaller wouldn't be able to handle the pressure.
Making it semi-rimmed was a misdtslr.
just like .380 about ten or so years ago it's an anaemic little round that should have been left on the trash heap of history. Yeah, companies are jumping on the bandwagon right now. But while .380 was at least a real 9mm cartridge this one here is a round where you need to be happy if you reach more than 220 joules E0.
>joules
nogunz detected
>He cannot into SI units
Ask me how I know you're an uneducated swine.
A Keltec P32 is 9oz loaded
Still the king of pocket carry, never to be dethroned.
Browning was a dumbass for not making it rimless
It's still the finest defensive pistol cartridge ever created.
.380 has largely replaced it for pocket pistols. Trying to bulk buy .32 gives me agita.
Don't worry anon, it's unlikely production will ever stop because there are shitons of .32 pistols in the european market
Who is running these .32 acp in Europe? Do Belgian journalist still use colt pocket hammerless pistols?
Ironically, yes. But mostly walther PP/PPKs and astra 4000
It's absolutely /comfy/. The Škorpion and Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless are timeless classics as well.
It's much better than 22lr or 25acp.
Not quite as good as 9mm mak or 380.
I've been trying to find a 16" barrel blank with the correct twist rate for 32 for a while personally though, want to build a sharps rifle clone with an octagonal barrel for...I don't know why, I just really want to.
That sounds awesome.
It's also the funnest round ever invented. Anything its chambered in is light but feels like an actual gun unlike 22lr
I've wanted a .32 ACP bolt action rifle ever since playing Fallout 3. It seems like a silly idea, but if .22 LR is fine out of a bolt action for plinking/popping varmints, why not some hot handloaded .32?
i like dis here bebetta. we need new models though. i have 2 p3ats, really curious if anyone can speak to the difference in recoil between those and the p32. 32 is a cool little cartridge. probably the bare minimum i would feel comfortable depending on. maybe more so than 380 even.
We need more suppressor ready .32 gats
Meme. The lower recoil compared to .380 out of tiny pocket guns is attractive but it simply offers inadequate penetration for self defense use while being too pricey for a plinking round.
32ACP is to .380 what 9mm is to .40S&W. There was at least a general realization that .40 wasn't actually doing all that much differently at the cost of recoil. 380 hasn't had that, I suspect because most 380s sold are pocket guns the owners never actually shoot because they're awful. Every compact and micro pistol in 380 would be vastly improved if instead it were chambered in 32. The ballistic difference is minimal, and with the correct ammo selection which is literally any FMJ the 32 meets or slightly over pens the FBI gel test standard.
>The ballistic difference is minimal
>Average .380 loads have about double the E0 of average .32 ACP loads
Why don't you mousegun, mouseround fetishits just carry airsoft pistols and stop advoating for rounds that are dangerously underpowered.
>32 ACP JHP has 130 foot pounds of energy when fired out of a 2.5-inch barrel and 165 foot pounds of energy when fired out of a 3.5-inch barrel
>Double the E0
>muh foot pounds
And yet both 380 and 32 tend to under penetrate with JHP loads if they expand, and fall within similar depths if they don't or FMJ is used. The minimal to almost non-existent ballistic gain of 380 is out weighed by the ease of quickly and accurately placing 32 hits, given they both penetrate similarly. They are small handgun calibers, making a lot of small holes that go deep enough to hit vitals fast is the point.
You might want to look up when the current most popular handgun calibers were developed before using age as a factor. Almost everything in current popular use is from 1899 to 1905. That and 32ACP was never a black powder cartridge.
>under penetrate with JHP loads
I don't know why Americans have this bizarre obsession with carry JHP and only JHP. Yeah, it helps control penetration and it marginally increases a wound channel, but penetration to vital organs is still far and away the most important factor. Carrying .32 with a solid copper/hardcast flat point would be better, but you just don't see that anywhere. I think Buffalo Bore is literally the only company and that gets the fact penetration is better than expansion in general.
Arex makes it, but they never brought it to the US.
>Arex makes it
Pic rel. Was primarily for a Portuguese police contract.
>full size handgun that shoots 32 acp
B-b-b-based?
Boomers learned about hollow points and went total fudd. It is literally just a meme.
I'm the first anon you were replying to. I did a bad job of implying it in my post, but I do actually advocate for FMJ in smaller caliber handguns like .32ACP and even 380 to an extent. Those loads that look like solid copper drill bits are very interesting.
>The ballistic difference is minimal
.32 fails to stop attackers nearly half the time, which is in line with .22lr and .25 ACP performance. .380 fails 13% of time which is in line with all of the other big boy calibers. The difference isn't minimal it's massive.
>any FMJ the 32 meets or slightly over pens the FBI gel test standard.
I don't expect to be attacked by a block of gel. The value of gel testing is only in that it can be a useful measuring stick for comparison of loads with SOME calibers. The second those gel test results start differing meaningfully from real world results those gel test results become meaningless. I don't give a fuck about whether your .32, .22, or birdshot load barely made the minimum in gel, they don't work in real life.
Source?
If a handgun bullet penetrates adequately, that’s really all that matters as long as you’re not worried about hitting someone behind the target or the “overpenetration”.
A .32 that makes it through is going to be functionally the same as any other handgun round that also makes it through.
>people aren’t gel
I agree with this but if a round makes it through the gel it won’t have any problem making it through a normal person.
>Source
Ellifritz OIS study the same one that graph up thread is from, .32 shills like to quote the % stopped in one shot but ignore the % not stopped at all section. Similar results from other studies iirc
>if a round makes it through the gel it won’t have any problem making it through a normal person.
Incorrect, gel doesn't do a good job of measuring performance for a lot of loads. Of particular concern is that it doesn't account for bone. Bird shot would be a great example of this, despite penetrating 8"+ in gel it will frequently be stopped cold or redirected entirely by any bone including relatively fragile ones like ribs or the sternum. Just compare X-rays from people actually shot with them to gel results, gel really isn't predictive of projectile performance when you get to extremes like bird shot or mouseguns and even service calibers penetrate significantly less after passing through ribs/sternum. This doesn't seem to be as big of a deal with service caliber rounds(presumably greater momentum means the differences are less pronounced) or smaller FMJ that get PLENTY of gel penetration(ex .380 could loose a lot going from gel to real world and perform adequately) but when it comes to the truly marginal calibers the real world performance just isn't there.
>Ellifritz OIS study
A sample size of 25 is anecdotal.
The gel is supposed to take bone and stuff into account which is why the minimum penetration requirement is 12” whereas an actual person wouldn’t need nearly 12” to get to the vitals.
Birdshot shouldn’t count because its performance is variable since it’s so many small pellets and you said it penetrated 8” which is 4” short of passing.
If a 32 fmj makes it past 18” in gel, it by all means has adequate penetration on real targets.
Yes, there are other real life variables but the gel is pretty good at determining penetration.
While we’re on the subject, I do think .22 and .25 is too small to adequately penetrate consistently for the reasons you’ve stated, but I think .32 is the point of adequacy. Fmj should be carried in both .32 and .380 since these rounds are low powered and should just poke holes. There should be no functional difference between the likes holes of a .32, .380, or 9mm.
I think a .45 hole is superior but the other attributes of the round make it not the best choice, but that’s a conversation for another time.
I think what the previous author was claiming was that gel, even though it is firmer than flesh, still does not do an adequate job of accounting for bone. I agree with this. This is one of the reasons that I Rely more on shooting statistics and even anecdotes related to different caliber Firearms as opposed to ballistic gel test. In regards to the 32 ACP being a usable caliber for defense, I will say this about each one of the minor calibers.
The 22 long rifle is just too dirty, too small, issues with feeding, not a Centerfire cartridge and so on. There are just too many things wrong with it to be a go-to defensive caliber.
The 25 ACP is extremely Niche, sometimes still has issues with feeding and unless someone is completely unable to handle the snap of higher calibers, it's just qualified due to the foot pounds of pressure generated from Impact. Also, it has even worse ballistic performance than the 22 long rifle.
The 32 ACP is also pretty niche. We can't even cite recoil as a potential reason for Carry, because most of the 32 ACP guns are fairly old, increasing it's recoil, which is roughly comparable to a 380 ACP anyway. Also, ballistics are very similar to the 22 long rifle.
The 380 ACP is much less niche. There's plenty of ammo and Firearm platforms bouncing around. The ballistics are not great, but they're definitely doable, especially if you're looking for a very small firearm.
Based on ballistics, I think 32 ACP has an actual niche in being a small Centerfire cartidge for people who can't quite handle a 380 ACP in a small enough platform, but the only example of a firearm like this I can think of is the 32 ACP Kel-Tec.
I can see why the 25 and 32 ACP have been slowly fading from the scene for about 30 years now. They were basically the pocket pistol 380 before pocket pistol 380s existed. My brother owned a 38 ACP Beretta, and it was a cool gun. I liked it. I just realized why it doesn't serve a huge purpose anymore.
>% not stopped at all
There are some real oddities in his 32 acp data that he doesn't address, such as the fact that the rounds/encounter is much lower with .32 acp than with common service cartridges like 9mm and .45 acp. Marshall & Sanow mentioned in their study that most of their .32 acp shootings were from cops using their backup gun, i.e. by the time the .32 acp comes out shit's already gotten extremely dire, whereas service pistols are typically being used at somewhat longer ranges so there's more time to get more shots in. This also likely plays into the .32 acp's wierdly high one-shot-stop percentage in ellifritz's data, a .32 acp through the perp's mouth while he's trying to get your gun out of your holster is a high percentage stop.
both 32 acp and .32 s&w are black powder cartridges from the fucking 1900s. you kind of have to be an idiot to think that these are anything but historical curiosities or novelties. people still use 22lr so obviously it's not about age its about parameters of design and the industry moved on past 32 caliber before the year 1900. Why do people still shoot it? i guess it still works
.22 is less powerfull than .32.
32 acp has never been a black powder cartridge. also your beloved 9mm parabellum is only 2 years younger.
I have a shitty Zastava m70 in .32 and it’s really fun to shoot. Makes me want an actual nice .32 pistol like a pocket hammerless or Mauser hsc.
I also have the original iteration of the beretta 84 but in .380.
It’s cool and also fun to shoot but not as fun as the .32.
The .380 out of the beretta is snappy and you can feel it in your hands slight pain and some blowback stuff gets in your face sometimes. In fact 9mm out of a beretta 92 is more pleasant on the senses.
The .32 is just a dream. Shame .380 dominates it in the states.
Oh shit, a family friend just offered me an M70 basically for free, but at first I was hesitant untill he told me if I don't take it he's gonna have it destroyed. After that I decided I should take it
>obsolete meme round
yes
>does it still have uses
shoot guns chambered in it
Has anyone tried reloading it? I kind of want to reload it for my skorpion.
Pic related just sold on fuddbroker for $700. It would be an interesting plinking rifle in .32 ACP
>plinking
>costs similar to 223
I’m thinking to get into reloading it for my skorpion. Should cost about 15 cpr
I like .25acp
I would love to see a resurgence of small diameter, high velocity pistol rounds.
I don't want to see rimfire. go away rimfire. You're not welcome.
Some anon posted here some time ago about being shot with .32 acp. He lived, but has a colostomy bag now. So, that's one anecdote. Perhaps given the shot placement, he would have survived a hit from any handgun caliber. Still, I'd like a gun chambered in it.
sometimes you want a gun you can just put in your pocket
>obsolete
At this point I'd say so since it requires the same frame size as .380 and .25ACP is finally getting loadings that meet modern defensive specifications. Not that .25ACP is particularly relevant anymore, especially with all of the .380 offerings dropping in the past year. I have the nastiest feeling that .380 is no longer going to be panic proof.
#00 buck is 8-9 .33" 50-60gr shot @ 1100-1200fps and every piece of shot often exceeds FBI pen test requirements. A sawed off is even less velocity than that, and most people still don't want any of that shit in their life. Euro loadings of .32 auto are nearly there velocity wise out of a 4" barrel, and with a comparible bullet weight or heavier.
It's an under utilized round. It's absolutely perfect for folk who (for whatever reason) fall below what might be considered the "average" shooter. I'm talking about little old ladies, people who are vertically challenged, folks who may have neurological disease that impares their hand strength, folks that are just recoil averse and flinch super easy, etc. I'd love to see a resurgence (or at least a couple of options on the market) of the 32acp revolver. I'd love to see something like the P365 in 32acp. I'd love to see a full size pistol in 32acp. I'd love to see a PCC (maybe like the Sub2000) in 32acp. I'd love to see a matched pair lever gun/revolver combo in 32acp.
But the market just isn't there. It's too niche for anyone to tool up for.
Also, fuck Beretta's 3032. It's garbage.
>I'd love to see a matched pair lever gun/revolver combo in 32acp.
Doesn't .327 Fed meet your needs in this specific case?
No.
Because as it turns out .327 Fed isn't .32acp.
Dumbass.
So download it. It's as close as you're going to get to what you claim to love.
I like how cute and small it is. it's fun to shoot as well
Good for compact revolvers and semi-autos. I hope Beretta rereleases .32 ACP guns.
I carry my Beretta 81FS regularly, along with a 38 Special j-frame and a SIG P225. I don't feel undergunned with the 81FS, because I can pour them into the bullseye at 15yds as fast as I can pull the trigger, it's a fucking can't-miss bullet hose.
I probably shouldn't carry the P225, it's a Swiss-made (Hammerli) pistol that was a trade-in from the Vatican. But then I remember that Pope John Paul II probably blessed it at some point, and I strap it on and go with God.
I wonder if they keep records of blessed weapons. You could probably get a certificate of blessing authenticated by the Vatican
As far as I know, SIG didn't actually make any of the P22x pistols in Switzerland. The swiss marked ones were made in Ekernforde like all the others, but finally assembly of parts was done in Switzerland in order to be able to mark them as "Swiss."
Based fellow CheetahChad. It's my single favorite handgun to shoot
I also am a Cheetah Enjoyer but I have the single stack .380 one. Its pretty slim and easy to carry in warm weather.
I also have (and carry) an 85F that usually has a .32 acp barrel in it. The single-stack cheetah models can shoot either .32 acp or .380 with just a barrel swap, the springs, extractors etc are all identical between the two calibers, and the only difference between the magazines are the witness holes and the markings, tube, spring, and follower are all the same. The double stack models do have unique magazines, though that isn't much of an impediment.
My thoughts are: Browning didn't design any of his rounds with hollow points in mind, 45 works because it's case is big enough that +p means enough, 9mm was an SMG round and happens to work with hollowpoints, 40 and on were designed with hollowpoints in mind
Of you have a .327 revolver you for some cool shit
I like .32 because it seems a lot of the oddball pistols from the early 20th century were at least offered in .32. I mean, offhand, the Frommer Stop and the Hamada are available in .32.
Mentioning the Hamada is not worth it, but this was just offhand.
>Morons arguing which kid-size round is less shitty
>Chads just carrying 10mm Auto hardcast and fuck everyone up who needs to be shot
You guys amuse me. I'd rather hit someone with only one or two rounds 1cm and be sure he's dead mead than firing an entire magazine of .32 LolKek and hoping I've hit something vital and rounds have penetrated deep enough.
Can you be the first then to prove you are a "10mm Chad"? We've been waiting fucking days for one to actually show up, buncha all talk no action bitches here.
>not carrying a thompson contender in a leather shoulder holster you might
>10mm cuck vs the .45-70 chad
>"10mm chad"
>doesn't even carry a real caliber
too slow for a .32 caliber projectile in terms of "stopping the threat"
if it were going around 1200fps, it'd be different. but here we are.
.32 acp is the fucking tits. love it in my beretta 81, love it in my zastava pistol, love it in my vz61
keltec needs to do another run on the p32s IMO