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127mm OTO main gun, 76mm OTO general purpose cannon with DART, 16 cells with Aster missiles, 2 small OTO 25mm cannons, around 30 knots speed, can carry 2 helicopters on board.

It is the basis for the future US constellation class frigate, so feel free to discuss the constellation development too if you want.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unnecessarily complicated for what is essentially an over armed cutter

    A daegu or mogami class frigate would've been a better choice

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >brownoid seething
      Sorry if ATACMS are hitting closer and closer vasily

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's the asiatic shill.

        [...]

        Why did you come here from /misc/?
        Do you even know what role FREMM is supposed to be?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. It's a frigate, serving as escorts, primarily for ASW but I guess it can do a bit of anti-air. So it should be much MUCH cheaper, like the Perrys.
          The Perrys costed us 150 million per ship. How much does this cost?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Goddamn you're stupid

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Perrys cost 700m if corrected to todays dollars, these will cost 1.1b and are much more capable.

            A fleet of just 10 of these cost over 10 billion dollars.
            A Nimitz class costs 4 billion by itself, 10 billion with its entire air complement.

            Nimitz alone would cost 9b in todays dollars, anon.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I didn't say it was going to be cheap. A navy is critical to guarantee their security in the future. Yes they are doing very good right now with drones missiles but that's more incompetence on the Russian Black Sea Fleet than anything.

              For comparison, pic related costed China $920 million, less than a FREMM at $1.3+billion

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Chinese labor is cheaper than European labor, yes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you suggesting Euros and Burgers should buy Chinese?

                Sounds like a problem. Don't we have plenty people unemployed and on welfare? Why not put them to work at a lower wage

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Actually just stop and think about what you are saying...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because this type of work actually requires decades of training and real world practical application of that training.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm saying to put the current smart near minwage workers and unemployed NEETs on this, and then put the subhumans on min wage jobs.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and by min wage I mean like $4 an hour. They can do it or starve or frick off from the country

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >16 cells with Aster missiles
                what is it with these gay proprietary missile cells, no wonder why we're putting Mk41 cells on the Constellation-class
                I appreciate the OTO 127/64 and 76/62 tough, the former is superior to the Mk45 and the latter may be preferable to the Mk57

                Those aren't necessarily the nation's best and brightest. The requisite competence and OPSEC discipline to build warships cannot be reasonably expected from most of them.
                Also, a good number of them shouldn't even be in the country.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you suggesting Euros and Burgers should buy Chinese?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what is PPP
                omfg

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure 1 US dollar purchases about the same amound of stuff in China and here, anon. You won't magically turn into an effective millionaire if you move to China.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is absolutely not true.
                The ratio in PPP is 1:2 between these two states.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Idk, France is paying 420 million eurobux for its FDI frigates and they seem as much better ships than this, the only problem is they have less VLS cells but I think that is offset by superior sensortech.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                France is a special case because it's probably the only country in the world with a competent procuration agency and they mostly use their own stuff. Because they don't waste money it allows them to massively invest in their own R&D further reducing costs.That's how they manage to get top notch stuff for cheaper. China simply benefits from cheap labour cost.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                $920 million? Thats a lot of corruption

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            France paid 600 million for a unit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's an oversized, underequipped and underarmed frigate trying to do big boi destroyer duty in french service. Guess what? We have an actual destroyer which is much more capable than this oversized frigate.
          It should've taken over LCS programme protect the coastal line and allow the destroyers to move further and/or patrol the 7 seas against growing Chinese influence

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >entire argument is based on your faulty opinion
            It is a frigate, moron.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's the asiatic shill.
          >asiatic shill
          >Praising Grorious Nippon's Mogami
          Seems unlikely

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What did you expect? He's an obvious frog shill. He knows nothing besides his interests.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >quintessential outgunned, underpowered, overpopulated euroshit
      You will never compete on a serious level.

      This.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Underpowered and overpriced like all eurosissie weapons

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then why did Americans chose them?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tbf we are significantly modifying the original design

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You made it safer and more powerful for patrolling in rough seas, that's fine.
          Italians need only a Med patroller and French need it for global South which is also of calmer water.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would be an excellent fit for the Ukrainian Navy if they win the war. Common parts across all ships saves money and if you need to you can take it from another ship in a pinch. A fleet of just 10 of these would more than meet their needs for several decades.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A fleet of just 10 of these cost over 10 billion dollars.
      A Nimitz class costs 4 billion by itself, 10 billion with its entire air complement.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't say it was going to be cheap. A navy is critical to guarantee their security in the future. Yes they are doing very good right now with drones missiles but that's more incompetence on the Russian Black Sea Fleet than anything.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not that moronic anon
          FREMMs slot into existing navies, you can't build a navy of FREMMs, that's why France is also developing DGI.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Would be an excellent fit for the Ukrainian Navy if they win the war. Common parts across all ships saves money and if you need to you can take it from another ship in a pinch. A fleet of just 10 of these would more than meet their needs for several decades.
      I don't see any situation, including Total Crimean Liberation, where post-war Ukraine will get much value out of a fleet of any major surface combatants, much less one with long legs and a fairly small anti-air magazine. I feel like customs enforcement boats, shore based missile launchers, drones and maybe some coastal subs would better fit their needs and their likely post-war budgets.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hey at least it isn't this.
    Guess how much this costs

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seems to be a pretty solid anti-thirdie design.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Decent, conservative multirole frigate with good littoral capability but lightweight offensive power. Not going to be defending Taiwan but can help against Iran.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    read that as Tesco SSM launcher and was excited to see they've decided to branch out in what they offer

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    32 cells is kinda the minimum viable option now, with the proliferation of ASCMs and ASBMs. And that's with substantial quad-packing.

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