What would happen if USSR + Warsaw pact just said fuck it and invaded western europe with their entire military in 1989 with like 10,000 T72s and 20,000 T55s, 50,000 BMPs blasting, Mi-24s firing rockets. Tu-95s carpet bombing and Mig-29As firing AAMs and Su-25s straffing while blasting red army is the strongest.
>what if we attack the inventors of airland battle with doctrine airland battle was invented to counter
I wonder
WW3 prob
>1989
by that year the eastern block was literally falling apart, dumbass
why do you people hate to read history?
That's the point.
In an alternate reality where Russian pride could not accept the concept of giving up their empire they could have decided to go out with a bang instead of a whimper.
I mean by all rational reasoning the invasion of Ukraine was completely retarded too and if it hadn't actually happened we would be making fun of the very possibility in a few decades.
NATO would have established air superiority within a few days and from there the complete destruction of the logistics would begin.
A few armored collumns probably would have gotten 100miles into German territory before running out of fuel, supplies and getting encircled and wiped out in short order.
All the Warsaw Pact states would see the Russians being suicidal and outright defect at that point.
>What would happen
Read Red storm Rising.
The real question is if they be more or less competent then they are in Ukraine. I'm willing to bet RUSSIA STRONK was always a meme.
Warsaw pact was in the process of collapsing if you didn't notice you dumb fucking zoomer.
it was collapsing since 1945.
well more actively collapsing, like it's 1968 but everyone is Czechoslovakia
>1989
raped by all the weapons of Desert Storm. To stand a chance you have to set it in about 1984, before enough smart weapons had made it out of the lab and into the hands of privates.
Take it to 1976, that's when F-15 came into service.
One weapon system can't turn the tide all by itself however.
I've made a series of detailed posts in another thread, feel free to check them out.
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Would've been a shitshow for the Soviets. Huge losses, certainly tactical nukes deployed. Turn the clock back a decade to 1979 and they may have steamrolled straight through France and kissed Spain before the ICBM's started flying
They wouldn't even have made it through the Fulda gap.
NATO would've known months before that USSR was planning an invasion, the preparations for that would've been unhideable. Secret services would have caught wind of the detailed plans, by intercepting Kremlin communications with its vassal state governments and militaries.
NATO troops would've been fully prepared, ready, and alerted by the time of T-Invasion.
As soon as the first troops crossed the border t some time during the night (30 minutes to an hour after their cruise missiles were launched, which NATO would've also known), all hell would've broken loose.
Without employing nukes, NATO forces would've crushed the first russian assaults, and it would've looked like Hostomel, Vuhledar and the streets towards Kyiv. NATO air forces would've rained hell on the invading russian troops, while their barrel and rocket artillery would've covered the rest.
Simultaneously, suddenly, Moscow would've gone dark completely. The F117's circling over Moscow for the entire night would've destroyed the entire crucial soviet infrastructure to conduct war: Electricity, ministry, command centers, communicatio and logistics hubs. The russian command and control structure and communications would've blacked out, and the Soviets couldn't react to anything the NATO troops were doing, while NATO could adapt to and react to every single situation.
NATO subs would suddenly appear and sink russian ships, then launch missiles on the russian mainland, while soviet subs lingering around europe and america would've been destroyed before they could carry out their orders, because NATO knew beforehand where they were and what they were supposed to do when,
It would've been Desert Storm levels of warfare, with the russians not even reaching Göttingen, Kassel or Fulda.
Oh, but Austria would've probably successfully partially been invaded by a smaller soviet army, because it wouldn't get defended by NATO. Would probably look like Ukraine during the invasion, with them getting good initial ground, but then getting buttfucked because they are overextended, technologically inferior and strategically as well as tactically outmatched.
Austria would probably request NATO assistance within 24 hours and recieve it
I hate what the Russo Ukrainian war has done to this board. People in this thread way too clouded by the current state of things to have any sense of history. Also people just don't read history
Baseless opinion discarded.
Exactly what I'm talking about. Graduate high school, go read some actual histories, then get back to me
No, cause you're wrong
That's a very compelling argument
Right back at you, Mr
>I hate that the war exposed how useless and shit russians are and all the cold war myths are finally being discredited
Fix'd
They would lose horribly, any more stupid questions?
>1989
Hamburg is taken but the northern front stalls at Bremen, rest of the fronts stall in front of large cities like Frankfurt. Soviet, Polish and East German logistics start disappearing from nighttime bomber raids while the Czech front never advanced an inch. Whether the Soviets will feel desperate enough to start using tactical nukes is the question.
>Hamburg is taken
No.
The northern front has no strategic depth and horrible terrain to defend unlike the rest of the country. I suppose Hamburg itself might not fall (Soviets wouldn't risk fighting in the city when they can bypass it) but Denmark would be at risk and they could probably seize Weser crossings.
And soviets had zero offensive potential in 89, their logistics would have collapsed before the attack even started, the idea they could take even one large city is juveline fantasy
WWIII. Next.
Total Euro Death
Very little gains for everyone involved but lots of death.
Only the ignorant think that plans like seven days to the Rhine had any basis in reality and weren't made purely for political reasons