What would be the logical next step after storm shadows? AFAIK it’s Ukraine's longest ranged western weapon. Do you think the US will send JASSM or is it not worth the risk of being captured
What would be the logical next step after storm shadows? AFAIK its Ukraine's longest ranged western weapon.
>Ukraine this!
>Ukraine that!
How about U shut the fuck up?
Ok Vatnik
I like how the ukraine shills/spammers immediately assume anyone sick and tired of the constant 24/7 spam for 15 months now is "LE VATmoron!!!"
Go get your heads checked, and fuck off you retarded mouth-frothing war tourists.
keep crying, note it won't bring back your 200k fallen comrades, nor your over 10k losses
I bet you don't own guns
Biggest war in Europe since ww2.
Most important war politically since maybe the Arab Spring shitshow, or Iraqi Freedom.
Cold War gone hot, basically for real this time
Near Peer war
Russia shit the bed.
Basically all weapons being used.
And you expect fucking PrepHole not to be obsessed about it?
I mean, I'm assuming you're being disingenuous as it stands, and I can understand not liking this thread because the OP can be construed as a little barebones, but I really don't get why you'd be bothered by the weapons and warfare board talking about weapons and warfare in an ongoing and very unusual conflict.
Yeah we could have our 10 billionth “Can you survive this scenario” thread instead. At least we get to see war footage with the Ukkie stuff and not just another black shooting from the POV of a blurry gas station security camera
Because identical crybaby "totally don't care about the war" Russian cocksuckers like you have been making identical posts for over a year now. If you actually cared about discussing a specific firearm or tank or whatever you'd make you'd own thread instead of screeching like an autistic child who learned other kids have their own toys.
>tired of the spam
>tired of the largest fucking war in Europe since WW2
God you vatniks are just retarded. This war was PrepHole's wet dream and the sheer amount of footage from this war dwarfs nearly every war for the past century combined.
> thread on a weapons board that is pissing itself over possibility to see all these western toys in use
> not even some ukie propaganda bullshit
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS REEEEEIOUJAYSOJUDHYIUASYDUIOYAUIEYUIIYAIURYIUOEYIOUCHAIHHFUIHIU*&(^(&*bysd*&^ab* s&d&(as*nd&(*
I see, these news got you absolutely buckbroken
You mad, Ivan?
Even when you take into account how there are fewer threads by the vatniks, it's still a bit baffling how such posts never seem to appear in the pro-russian threads.
>it's still a bit baffling how such posts never seem to appear in the pro-russian threads.
Now you're just a lying gay kek
with SCALP they have enough range to hit any target within Ukraine's internationally recognized borders. the US has been pretty consistent that they don't want their weapons to be used outside of those borders, so why would they supply something with even longer range?
France said they will send those
>the US has been pretty consistent
believe it or not the US is not the entire world and some people want Ukraine to get long range weapons simply so they can tear Russia a new one
America is not internally consistent on that at all, the top brass are all opposed (for now) but quite a lot of those underneath the brass are in favor of changing U.S doctrine on policy outcomes, including allowing Ukraine to threaten Russia/Crimea and retake Crimea as one of the non-negotiable aspects of any peace deal
These bad boys, but it would be hell to integrate them on soviet planes.
>some CDU madlad said this week he wants Germany to give these to Ukraine
god I hope so
>A representative from the German CDU and retired colonel Roderich Kiesewetter considers the provision of long-range missiles a new strategy for supporting Ukraine. “Partners should go all-in and provide Ukraine with everything it can use in combat, which is permissible under international law. German Taurus cruise missiles with a range of up to 400-500 km would be helpful for Ukraine. In addition, we should provide Kyiv with everything that NATO uses itself”.
About goddamn time
>Tornados with woodland camo and black radar dome nose making a low terrain following pass over russian positions in Ukraine to bomb them
why should it be harder than integrating Storm Shadow?
>Do you think the US will send JASSM or is it not worth the risk of being captured
It's pretty much duplicating capability and causing a bigger integration headache. If anything JASSM would probably perform a bit worse in Ukraine due the the lack of a multi-effect warhead reducing it's ability to penetrate deep bunkers.
>What would be the logical next step after storm shadows?
Jets, which is already in progress but it'll be late 2024 before we see new Ukrainian pilots ready on F16 to western standards. Experienced fast jet pilots probably reduce that to summer next year for western training and F16 instruction.
The JASSM has double the range and an extremely effective warhead though. Plus it has RAM coating allowing it to slip into places undetected without the heavy use of MALD like stormshadow requires
>The JASSM has double the range
We don't know storm shadows max range, and it's a moot point anyway since the stated range is already enough to reach anywhere in Ukraine. JASSM is a unitary warhead, it's fine for a hanger or cave but it's not on the same level as a multi effect warhead blowing a hole and saving all it's kinetic energy for deeper penetration.
Storm Shadow has seen plenty of combat use without MALD previously, it's not a prerequisite. JASSM offers nothing new to Ukraine and won't be going, you can dream as much as you like but those facts wont change.
>longer range
>better stealth
>nothing new
kek
>Claim range based on flying at medium level
>Realise that in an IADS your side signature being a barn door matters
>get shot down
Jassm is such a disappointing system
You’re taking out of your ass now. Are you really that upset that a newer more efficient missile has a longer range
Well it has got a tiddly calibre engine as well, and small elevons. It obviously isn't designed to terrain follow very well.
It's just misleading to claim a range based on medium altitude ingress.
It’s fair to say that the JASSM far outranges the storm shadow. That’s why people say it
Newer?
Wikipedia has JASSM designed in 1995–1998
Storm shadow designed in 1994–2001
Conceptualized. The storm shadow entered service in the early 2000s and JASSM toots their time and entered service in 2009. JASSM was also upgraded with a more efficient engine and more internal fuel while keeping the same dimensions. That upgrade to the ER massively increased range
According to Wikipedia all the engines are from the fucking 70s.
I thought miltary shit was supposed to be high tech
The engine in a cruise missile has to be cheap because it's a cruise missile, you aren't getting the engine back.
1998 is when Lockheed won the contract
> Lockheed Martin's AGM-158A won and a contract for further development was awarded in 1998
>JASSM offers nothing new to Ukraine and won't be going,
I love how the cope has gone from "Ukraine won't get TOWs or artillery" to "Ukraine won't get stealthy 370-1000 km range 1000 lb warhead cruise missiles to go along with their F-16s". It's gotta take some serious delusion with a mix of IV-delivered Tsarist copium to think there's no application for JASSM.
Nice strawman, have fun arguing with yourself
There wasn't going to be an argument to begin with anon, I was laughing at you.
Were you? it seems you were laughing at a bunch of opinions you made up and that i've never held.
>The storm shadow doesn’t have a RAM coating
You can literally see it.
>you can literally see it
No you can’t. Thanks for playing. Anytime you’d like to drop a real source tho
This moron has never seen a RAM coating in his life lol
no one said it has a kinetic energy projectile, but it does rely on kinetic energy to penetrate a target. Unlike multi effect warheads which use a shaped charge to blast earth/concrete out of the way and then use a follow through munition to penetrate.
Yeah storm shadow doesn’t have a RAM coating. Why do you think they have to spam MALDS with it.
The broach warhead was great when introduced but more efficient warheads exist now. No need to waste so much space and weight on an explosive shaped charge
Isn't JASSM just a vanilla KEP? I'm sure it's a nice simple, cheap system with plenty of capability against buildings but it can't compare with the unmatched capabilities of a BROACH
No it’s got a deep penetrating warhead. It’s never had a kinetic energy projectile. It’s also much more expensive than stormshadow
Doesn’t the storm shadow just use BROACH warheads? Lockheed has access to those and decided to go another route. Lockheed also integrated BROACH on ATACMS but again decided against it
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>Lockheed has access to those and decided to go another route.
Ryatheon has the license for lair launched BROACH. That's the primary reason JSOW is still in the arsenal - deep penetration. ATACMS has no deep penetration warhead either, it's a unitary blast warhead.
We don't know Storm Shadows maximum range, but it can already reach everything it needs to. The stealth is probably pretty much identical, both are stealthy cruise missiles with RAM coatings and S ducts.
JASSM isn't going to Ukraine for the forseeable future, get over it.
It or a similar system is going to be handed over for strikes on C2 nodes, radars and munitions depots in Russia as part of the SEAD campaign they'll undertake in 2024. Get over it.
>source
>trust me bro
You might be feeling left out by your favorite missile being left out of the war but there's no need to make a fool of yourself.
> Ryatheon has the license for lair launched BROACH.
Show me Raytheon’s exclusive BROACH deal
Rather than you setting me boring carrot on a stick missions to prove your stupidity, how about you take it upon yourself to try and explain how a purely kinetic warhead of the same weight as multi-effect one is somehow better at penetrating an identical target.
Have fun with that.
Why did you change the subject? Show me Raytheon’s exclusive deal for air launched BROACH. Fact is broach was passed up when designing the JASSM. I mean it is a dated design afterall
This shill tactic would work if we hadn't seen it literally 20 times with every western weapons system introduced over the last year and a half.
>it seems you were laughing at a bunch of opinions you made up and that i've never held.
You actual moron you just said that there's no feasible use for JASSM.
What shill tactic? i'm all for Russia getting stomped, but i'm smart enough to know what weapons aren't going to Ukraine.
There is no extra benefit in JASSM ariving in Ukraine when storm shadow does literally everything it does and in some cases does things better - penetration. range is a moot point because all targets in Ukraine are already in range.
If you have a missile that can hit any target you need it to, why do you need to spend months integrating another weapon that can also hit everything but penetrate it's targets slightly worse.
> There is no extra benefit in JASSM ariving in Ukraine when storm shadow does literally everything it does and in some cases does things better
JASSM is more stealthy due to a RAM costing that the storm shadow lacks. It also passed on the BROACH warhead for something more effective
>JASSM is more stealthy due to a RAM costing that the storm shadow lacks.
yeah, nah, they are identical. Your hopes and dreams aren't sources.
Okay, how about i mute the fuck out of this thread, and then i can go back to jerking off over storm shadow kills changing the game in Ukraine and you can join that pathetic Israeli guy who posts about Spike and cry about how weapons that aren't seeing action are actually really important lol
bye.
p.s Thank fuck storm shadow stepped in to hit precision targets now that GMLRS is getting GPS jammed to fuck and degraded.
>Okay, how about i mute the fuck out of this thread
Yep, see ya.
>p.s Thank fuck storm shadow stepped in to hit precision targets now that GMLRS is getting GPS jammed to fuck and degraded.
>he doesn't know GMLRS rockets have INS
Haha the four GMLRS rounds fired at our command post had a CEP of 15 meters rather than 5 meters! We're totally safe from the 100 kg of HE that just got dropped on us!
Isn't 100kg the entire warhead weight? Anon, you do know that modern weapons don't just carry big bags of bare HE, right?
Source for that CEP on only INS?
Color me corrected, it's 1.5-4 mils on INS. You win this round. More reason to provide all available cruise missiles, JASSM included, yes?
21*4 anon
> yeah, nah, they are identical.
kek seething. Just post a simple source to show that the air launched storm shadow has the same range as JASSM-er. Post a source about the RAM coating too. It’s telling that you haven’t posted one yet
>yeah, nah, they are identical. Your hopes and dreams aren't sources.
Wouldn't say "Identical", Lockmart released some footage of how JASSM is manufactured and it's shown that JASSM fuselage is a single piece woven carbon fiber composite. While SCALP-EG has a more conventional construction seem from the panel+fastner construction.
Fuck off warriortard
> Actual picture of the construction difference between JASSM and SCALP-EG
> Fuck off warriortard
At some point you have to think about whether literally everyone else is warriortard, or that you are paranoid.
The British never could into high end manufacturing. This difference alone speaks to the JASSMs superiority in stealth
It's a French missile. Brits are haunting your dreams.
That’s what I said they can’t into high end manufacturing
You're not going to dig yourself out of that hole no matter what knots you tie yourself in.
What hole? The storm shadow is a British missile based off of a French one. Brits share the L of not being as good as JASSM
It's a French missile based on a French missile with a British warhead. It's made in France.
If you weren't such a dense mother fucker you might be able to comprehend that different weapon systems have different design considerations. JASSM traded complexity and volume in the warhead design for lower penetration performance.
> JASSM traded complexity and volume in the warhead design for lower penetration performance.
you’re going to source this right?
>range is a moot point because all targets in Ukraine are already in range.
This isn't middle school and you're not going to "win" the argument by stubbornly insisting that an assumption you've made is a literal fact. They teach this shit to 8 year olds. Fuck.
Anon just go and draw 250km circles from the front lines. Even crimea is SCALPable
> The stealth is probably pretty much identical, both are stealthy cruise missiles with RAM coatings and S ducts.
oh I didn’t realize I was replying to someone so misinformed. The storm shadow doesn’t have a RAM coating and you will not be able to reply to this post with a reputable source saying that it does have RAM
Give Ukraine parts to build their own kamikaze drones. The Switchblade fucking sucks and it can't travel long distances either. Most of Europe barely knows what a drone is.
Ukraine knows how to and so put resources towards that. Then send them against Crimea and Krasnador Krai and hopefully a few against Transnistria.
someone post the "storm shadow the wunderwaff" image
The US will not send JASSM as it has identified it as a key munition in the China fight and is currently "critically understocked". Procurement of JASSM is being ramped up to over a thousand per year along with LRASM.
This. Why risk JASSMs when storm shadow is more than enough for Russia. You don’t want the RAM coating of a JASSM to be collected from a missile strike and sent to the chinks. Just use the lower tech storm shadow that is unironically good enough
2 arleigh burke DDG:s ja 4 OHP-frigates on lease until the conflict ends
Torpedo wunderwaffen with 1200km range
Bunker busting Tomahawks.
Again too advanced to send into Ukraine. Let them have tochka and storm shadow.
Wasn't it used in Syria? what would be the point of keeping it back now? I'm sure the chinks collected enough debris
Maybe but it definitely isn’t needed against Russia so why send more
Could be handy if the ukie offensive gets bogged down and the war devolves into an attrition game once more. You're right though, right now it doesn't do anything the stormshadow isn't doing
Yeah the range requirements in Ukraine aren’t very far. No need for ultra stand-off weapons like JASSM
This is a thinly veiled JASSM vs. Storm Shadow thread that we've had multiple times.
Maybe we let storm shadow win for a change
Nations sends weapons as they decide Ukraine needs them. Anybody who believes they are not sending the latest and greatest because of fear of capture while GMLRS and brimstone are actively being used is a plebbit level clown with no capacity for any level of sapience.