what would a war between magic users and non-magic users look like? would we win?

what would a war between magic users and non-magic users look like? would we win?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on the magic system. Things like true ghost like "Intangibility" are an instant win, if they can hurt you while intangible, but not all settings have stuff like that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      anon, just the recon considerations of ghosts are enormous.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I mean the magic users won last time so it's kinda obvious

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if we're talking Harry Potter in particular, they are so vulnerable to coups and shit due to all the groups that even the good guys oppress for no reason. If a wizard tried his magic bollocks on me I'd get him a headlock anyway

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there's zero reason the wizards wouldn't also use guns and weapons only with OP magical bullshit integrated into how they use them like enchanted ammunition that independently hunts for targets or them just instantly opening a tiny portal at some oblique angle and shooting you through it, the real danger would be all the crazy utility powers like scrying - perfect real time remote surveillance with no way for non-magic people to be aware it's happening - or magical invisibility or logistics designed around instantaneous teleportation or time frickery

      >there's zero reason the wizards wouldn't also use guns and weapons only with OP magical bullshit
      The c**ts use quills. Bits of feather dipped in ink. Why won't they use a fricking biro?

      HP is one of those settings where the wizards have a great "tool kit" for defeating non magical armies, they could be basically unstoppable saboteurs and assassins, the problem is they demonstrate incredibly low intelect, possibly because the series was written by a bitter uneducated single woman.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the problem is they demonstrate incredibly low intelect,
        In-universe the simple answer is them being extremely inbred (and remembering th epersecutions of old, so they wish to stay hidden)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's a series for children and the heart of the story was always about the character interactions and growth, most YA fiction involves magic powers of some kind because it's power fantasy for kids and teenagers to have the agency those powers bring. it was never going to be some autistic alt-his scenario exploration.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >it was never going to be some autistic alt-his scenario exploration.
          Nor did it have to be, for the characters to not be moronic.

          The Hobbit was written for children, but the characters are not moronic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            never claimed HP was good, it was just never going to engage meaningfully with what wizards being real would mean for the world. the moron who wrote it even went out of her way to handwaive it all away by making wizards reclusive

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >never claimed HP was good
              By the same token, I never claimed it had to be excruciatingly fleshed out. Look at us here comparing what we didn't say.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > If a wizard tried his magic bollocks on me I'd get him a headlock anyway
      Based barbarian

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In Dorohedoro regular humans beat the magic users but only after getting helped by some magic users sympathetic to their cause (and a bit of trickery/luck)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >western fantasy: slay monsters while riding a horse and banging elves
      >eastern fantasy: eat corn syrup in a convenience store while hanging out with a giant bug. also you have really, really stupid tattoos and no access to personal hygiene tools

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there's zero reason the wizards wouldn't also use guns and weapons only with OP magical bullshit integrated into how they use them like enchanted ammunition that independently hunts for targets or them just instantly opening a tiny portal at some oblique angle and shooting you through it, the real danger would be all the crazy utility powers like scrying - perfect real time remote surveillance with no way for non-magic people to be aware it's happening - or magical invisibility or logistics designed around instantaneous teleportation or time frickery

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >there's zero reason the wizards wouldn't also use guns and weapons only with OP magical bullshit
      The c**ts use quills. Bits of feather dipped in ink. Why won't they use a fricking biro?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >there's zero reason the wizards wouldn't also use guns
      In Arcanum magic works by bending basic physics principles and technology "fortifies" them so magic users can't use tech and vice versa.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Harry Potter setting takes for granted in-universe that Muggles would absolutely stomp Wizards in spite of the numerous setting breaking powers that Wizards have

    There's gotta be a reason that Level 99 Teleporting Mind Controlling Dragon Summoner still thinks and bases all of his political decisions on "If the normies find out about us they'll fricking wipe us out in a day"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Its a numbers game
      One on one, with both sides aware of each other, a wizard military unit would murderfrick its conventional counterpart.
      But they are outnumbered thousands to one and have no organised military nor any answer to things like long range precision fires and that is why they would lose

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have it on good authority that any sufficient angry moron is indistinguishable from magic

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah we'd stomp the m*ggle fricks.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you're talking about harry potter world then normal people would destroy them in an open battle. However the mages would win since they can do assassinations and impersonations. They could just kill everyone important, transform into them and end the war on their own terms.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on the setting as others said. There are quite a few settings too with magic homies that have them all enslaved so it should be very possible. You're very much fricked in a D&D setting though.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      high level magic users in DnD are basically apex predators of their world and really only need to fear each other or divine intervention (and even then they aren't defenseless and some of them go on to become godlike themselves). there would just not be any counterplay to effectively immortal, omniscient wizards who cloister themselves in personal pocket dimensions only they can access and are capable of remotely interacting with our reality and altering it as they see fit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's not really just a "high level only" thing.
        Powers like Intangibility or killing through a crystal ball have no real counterplay in real life, and those aren't restricted to the upper echelons of epic magic or anything like that.

        Just teleporting ghostly undead into Cities would turn into an existential nightmare, because most of them create more undead when they kill.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >there would just not be any counterplay to effectively immortal
        Except having to take an eight-hour break over and over again to keep their spells recharged.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He can take that break in another dimension, or a pocket dimension, or an undetectable cavern a mile beneath Antarctica, if he wants to.

          That's the problem with a non magical getting attacked by something like a DnD wizard, or any wizard that can operate totally remotely, how the frick do you even find out what's going on? Awful shit just starts happening, but you're never going to guess it's because of a freakazoid old man living in a spider hole in nebraska.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Did any wizard actually ever do that in DND lore though?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Anon there are like three mid level spells that serve no other purpose besides putting you in an impossible to reach safe zone. Are you suggesting no one ever cast them once in history?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Most people need to take an 8 hour break over and over again to get their energy back. The difference is a wizard of this level has like 30 spell slots half of which can individually warp a region of a nation.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Most people need to take an 8 hour break over and over again to get their energy back.
            QED wizards are pussies compared to investment bankers, lawyers, and Margaret Thatcher.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >eight-hour break
          >not 1 hour of study per spell level per spell
          Play a better edition.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            3.5 is objectively the best edition though.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              3.5 isn't an RPG, it's a framing device for charop autism.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                All of 3.5s detractors are homosexuals.
                Most of them are homosexuals who never read the core rulebooks cover to cover (as if that's hard)

                They make up stories based on things they dont understand but heard were possible in some forum, and extrapolated the average game to be filled with.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >this thread AGAIN
    >with the exact same replies
    okay I'll repeat mine as well: Harry Potter is a universe where the wizards have already curbstomped the Muggles and live happily in a parallel existence. they already control their countries' heads of state and do whatever they wish. the only reason they don't exploit the Muggles further is because the altruistic wizards don't want to. in fact, they're actively protecting Muggles from the evil wizards.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Only in the UK, wizards in Burgerland have no interaction whatsoever with muggles

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You have that backwards. The last time there was a bunch of interaction, the normal people pogromed the wizards so hard that they retreated into a parallel society and are obsessed with staying hidden. You don't live as a rat in the cupboard if you won the war.

      They got hunted out so violently in the US, that magic types went back across the ocean, and that's why New World wizards are so rare.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's written explicitly in the books that they made a joke out of the "witch burnings", they manipulate the British PM and other heads of state, and that they stay hidden so they don't have to deal with being hassled for magic.
        >magic types went back across the ocean, and that's why New World wizards are so rare.
        lmao where did you get that from?
        the US has its own extensive magical government and society. they even made a (lousy) film trilogy about it.

        HP wizards basically can do everything non-magical humans can, AND have "superpowers" on top, which non-magical humans cannot access at all. They're practically ubermensch.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >HP wizards basically can do everything non-magical humans can
          HP wizards can't into human tech at all. Their professors of "muggle studies" are basically hoarders of junk and don't really understand how it works at all.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            HP wizards can use mind control
            Theoretically they could have mind controlled humans do everything for them (Or even better, learn from them how those things work)

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How fast can some magegay say avada kadabra? Probably not as fast as a bullet.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hp
    you literally can't find them even if a bunch of them lived in your own house and they can make you into a slave in approximately 2 seconds
    the only reason there isn't some shadowy wizarding cabal ruling over muggles is because they're stupid as frick, not because they lack the means to do so. a single competent wizard could take over the world in a week

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it depends on how many non-magic users have high ranged
    so long as they're pure magic and don't have a ton of atk/def/str we're golden

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Harry Potter wizards probably end up getting completely fricked in the long term if a war with muggles happened. They have extreme advantages (Disillusionment spells for perfect camo, teleportation, magic drones in the form of the enchanted armor suits, Protego the shield charm is shown stopping projectiles in Order of The Phoenix iirc just to name a few) but the problem is that any serious fighting that isn't cloak and dagger will have a massive rate of attrition for the wizards. The whole magic population in Britain is something like 3500 people according to JKR, the battle at Hogwarts was heavily weighted with younger participants and 50 of the 'Good guys' died. That's a demographic catastrophe, especially because the bad guys weren't counted. If muggles are really at a horrific disadvantage and manage a 20 to 1 exchange rate against the wizards, it would only take 70,000 dead soldiers to completely wipe out the magic population, that's peanuts for a modern war.

    As far as I know, the wizards really don't have any heavy weapons besides magic creatures of dubious loyalty. In a fight between a mountain troll and an infantryman with a 40mm grenade launcher, my money is on the infantryman. Heavier weight weapons like artillery and airstrikes probably aren't going to factor in as much due to the prevalence of things like Fidelius (Magic spell that makes it impossible to find a place, unless you've been told exactly where to find it by the designated 'secret keeper') but at the same time, the wizards can't wage a war while they're hiding from roving death squads of muggles. One thing that JKR got right was basing the wizard conflicts on The Troubles. Whether she's ever admitted to it or not, the way that the good guys and bad guys fight each other is the same sort of tit-for-tat retaliations, small scale terror operations, and counter-insurgency that went on in the 80's/90's while she was alive and in London.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >any serious fighting that isn't cloak and dagger
      too bad they keep all the fighting cloak and dagger then
      >3500
      she's walked back on that figure, because simple math tells you that their population is roughly 13,000 at least, because the standard Hogwarts cohort is 100 / year (Harry's is abnormal, perhaps due to the war) and wizards have abnormally long lives
      >One thing that JKR got right was basing the wizard conflicts on The Troubles. Whether she's ever admitted to it or not, the way that the good guys and bad guys fight each other is the same sort of tit-for-tat retaliations, small scale terror operations, and counter-insurgency that went on in the 80's/90's while she was alive and in London.
      that's pretty obvious

      Only in the UK, wizards in Burgerland have no interaction whatsoever with muggles

      >no interaction whatsoever
      all the wizards around the world maintain the secrecy, it's literally their most important law
      practically speaking that means all governments with wizarding populations would be tampered with

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Harry Potter magic users? It would be a slaughter. Most Magic users are ridiculously incompetent to the point of retaining over a dozen spells beyond primary education is considered elite. The biggest issue would be finding them, but other than that firearms and explosives will be perfectly adequate

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >renders your weapons completely harmless
    nothin personnel kid

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Harry Potter is gay, let's talk about WoD Mage instead.

    >Paradox is accrued when a Mage uses vulgar magic that cannot be explained by Sleeper's idea of what Reality is and what laws govern it. Effects such as crushing a car with your bare hands are vulgar and will gain you paradox.
    >
    >However, it is possible to bypass paradox through the use of coincidental magic by aligning the Effect with the rules of consensual reality (the overall beliefs of the sleepers). The same effect of destroying the car could be coincidentally performed by manipulating a street light to fall on the car. If the offending mage has acquired a significant amount (6 or more points) of Paradox, they may experience what is known as Backlash.
    >
    >Backlash can occur in one of four ways; Either the mage acquires direct damage (amount and type depends on the amount of Paradox accrued), the mage becomes the target of a malicious Paradox Spirit, the mage may acquire Paradox Flaws (explained below), or the mage and those nearby can be sucked into a Paradox Realm in the same vein as the magic in question. (Correspondence could create a spatial loop, Time could create the repetition of certain hours or days.) Some certain objective would have to be achieved in order to escape from the infinite loop.
    >
    >Paradox Flaws are unusual occurrences that can happen temporarily or permanently to a mage after a Paradox Backlash. These anomalies range from minor, like reversed watches and altered shadows, to moderate, such as emitting heat or cold, and even severe, where facial features disappear or clothes animate. In extreme cases, a mage’s skin may transform into wood, or they might inadvertently attack allies. These effects can also affect memory and perception, altering how one interacts with reality.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the magic users irl are israelites and the catholic clergy, which is why rome was so powerful until they began working against god who revoked his magic powers

    this is why the founders were always and rightfully suspicious of catholics and why they cannot be trusted with positions of power or finance

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    depends on the setting
    Harry potter only has whats basically a 10-20m range bolt action rifle that needs visual on the target (so cant even do any sort of suppression) as their primary weapon.

    in a setting like my totally not /k/ autist visual novel magic users are horrendously powerful but they only reproduce in very contrived ways and only survive because they in symbiosis with an authoritarian government that needs their magic and feeds them hundreds of potential recruits for their silly cannibalistic induction rituals

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Depends. Hogwarts Legacy-style combat is like star wars force combat without lightsabers.
    Shoot a wizard and it's going to die.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >not just hiring the wizard to buff your missiles with powerful invisibility, speed boosting, and explosion enhancing enchantments

      costanza.jpg

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wut ya need a wizy boi for? Just pain em red yellow an purple. Simple as

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >with powerful invisibility, speed boosting, and explosion enhancing enchantments
        >implying that anyone would even perceive the supersonic hellfire launched from miles away and 30,000 feet up
        There will be a sonic boom followed immediately by an explosion. The magic types can't even get their head around the concept of a battery, so they'll never know what the frick a laser guided missile is or how to stop it. Hell, they'd probably just think some wizard war helping the normies by casting explosion spells.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Their advantages are violating the laws of physics, generally having bullshit magic solutions to everything, and a legion of unnatural fiends and monsters at their beck and call. Their disadvantages are they are slow to adapt, backwards by choice, and not organised. There'd be losses, terrible losses, but if we broke them and didn't let them rebuild, not let the conflict simmer, then we'd win. Our greatest fear should be wizards willing to adapt and adopt our modern conveniences, but if we can burn their schools and ghettoes quickly we could root them out and force a surrender.

    Political will would be the issue, because no politician is going to want to sink billions in a war that we haven't proven needs that allocation of resources yet. But if we could drop our nastiest hardware early on and keep the death toll high, we'd probably attract collaborators willing to integrate with human society in exchange for safety and long-term peace. If we fail to shock and awe them, then that'd be our only true course of action. Essentially what wizards are is a kind of alien with hyper advanced technology, like any technologically superior opponent we need to get a hold of that technology as fast as possible. We're smarter than them, we'd dominate on an equal playing field. We can just hope that they don't have a magical WMD, and all their city-wide spells is the best they can do. I advocate for nuclear escalation in the first 8 hours, wipe them out before they can stop infighting and muster their really nasty spells.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      based anti magic general
      10/10 would follow into battle with

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Magic, if it existed, could be figured out, manipulated, and repurposed, just like the actual laws of nature. The magical homosexuals would eventually have their own tools be used to make industrial war machines used against them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Autism speaks.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Magic is gay

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          post your gun, homosexual

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Are you stupid?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That's what I thought, noguns.

              We got another one boys.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There are already anons in this thread talking about using magic to enhance conventional weapons.
      A magazine of 5.56 imbued with some sort of killing spell would be just as deadly, if not deadlier than the killing curse for only a fraction of the embodied magical energy cost, and would offer significantly greater range and volume of fire

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    arcanum of steamwork and magick obscura is the best magic vs nonmagic setting

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >would we win?
    We already did.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wands are perfect for home defence. They combine sufficient power for most attackers with high maneuverability and remain affordable to studying Practitioners. Keeping a velum tome of thaumaturgical equations by your bedside just isn't feasible and, unless you exclusive go after magi-chasers, kills any chance of getting laid. Staffs are just plain overkill and too unwieldy inside modern homes, towers or dungeons, unless you're planning on holding a single position. If you want to go casting with bare hands, be my guest, but I'd rather not lose concentration for a fraction of a second and instantly blow apart my tower wall or incinerate the neighbors and their kids.

    And have you noticed that only Europe seems to a problem with Deatheaters? Maybe it's because Americans have spent the last 200 years shooting deer, playing GTA: Vice City, and keeping an eye out for black helicopters over their compounds. Meanwhile, Brits have been cutting their steaks with spoons. Remember: gun-control means that Voldemort wins. God made wizards and God made muggles, but Samuel Colt made them equal.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If any country in the world would produce gun-mages, it would be the US of A.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Actual combat would suck for the wizards since they don't have any in universe spells for dealing with modern weapons.
    There's also like less than 1 million of them world wide going by the size of the schools.
    They would be impossible to find however. All the in universe magically hidden places have the property of messing with technology and human minds to remain hidden.

    If the wizards really wanted to they could completely frick up any country in like a week.
    Just teleport to every gas station and blow it up then go around cutting high voltage transmission lines.
    Eventually repair crews would be overwhelmed and run out of fuel.
    Famine would not be far away.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Considering that they use them to chase after criminals, i guess they could theoretically use dementors in combat
      I think they are basically invulnerable to anything other than patronus

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    HP magic? We win, easy.

    FMA magic? We're fricked.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      HP magic is more than enough to defeat the modern world, it's the brains of the casters that are lacking.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Idk, besides Dumbledore, all of them looks like it could be dealt with with a platoon.

        FMA on the other hand they actually use alchemy with weaponry, which would be much more difficult.

        Plus they could just make a sacrifice circle within humanity's biggest centers

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neil Price's "The Viking Way" deals with the subject, but their opponents also used magic at times.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dumbledore can't stop 7.62×51mm NATO rounds.

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