What will run out first?

Tanks, artillery, ships in black sea fleet or men willing to die a useless death?
Or can Russia still win this somehow?
And how long will it take?

make your guess

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What will run out first?
    Time

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's right. Putin will die and Russia will balkanize.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia will balkanize.
        Impossible at this state. Russia sent all the minority men to die first.

        What's happening now is that 40+ year old divorced Russian men are marrying 20 year old tuvan women because all the 20 year old tuvan men are dead.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Russia sent all the minority men to die first
          they've sent far eastern servile asian bugs from places that are sparsely populated and don't have a history of rebelling anyways. those who would like to split off from russia are churkas in dagestan and chechnya and are being held together by being paid tons of bucks by the kremlin. once this golden shower dries up and kadyrov can't pay his underlings anymore tensions will most likely arise again and a third chechen war will become a reality

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >+1 aircraft
    Flight status?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      ETERNAL

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Or can Russia still win this somehow?
    "Winning" in a war of conquest is defined as being in a better state (politically, economically, militarily or otherwise) after the war is finished than you were before the war began.
    As such, victory for Russia was no longer possible after about a month into the campaign. Now there are only degrees of loss.
    Barring some actual fantasy scenarios (aliens/divine intervention/monke growing enough balls to attempt a pre-emptive nuclear strike etc), what will likely happen is another year or 2 of stalemate, maybe with some extremely flaccid gains on either side and then the conflict will get frozen with both sides proclaiming victory domestically (Ukraine will say that they've repelled the zigger invasion and promise to reclaim the lost territories at some indeterminate time in the future, Putin will say that the "goals" of SMO have been achieved, somehow - it doesn't really matter, he can just take off his pants and fart at the camera on live television and Russian public will still find great meaning in it).
    In the aftermath, Ukraine will likely receive some version of a Marshall plan 2.0 (mostly to make sure banana man doesn't return for a round 2) and Russia will China's wet and willing wienersleeve for the next 20 years or so.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >winning according to normal human conditions

      My dude this is russia. A win to them looks like a humiliating defeat by any western standard. Losing millions ajnd millions in a war in utterly preventable ways is considered victory in russia and nowhere else. Maybe china.

      Your entire reasoning here in pointless and completely wrong. If russia gets nuked it would STILL be a victory to them.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Losing millions ajnd millions in a war in utterly preventable ways is considered victory in russia and nowhere else. Maybe china.
        Arabs think the same way. Also there are a lot of pointless wars in this world. Fought with the same attitude.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They can think whatever they want but it's an objective fact that even annexing all of Ukraine tomorrow would have cost them too much to be worth it

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My dude. This isn’t 1941 and Pussolini isn’t Stalin, no matter how much he might want to be.

        Also, the Russian people, (the ethnic Russians), are not quite the same beat-down peasants they were in Barbarossa.

        They’ve had 35 years of looking at the west and perhaps even having real jobs in industries that were integrating into the world market.

        There’s a good reason that most of the Mobniks are huckleberries from Nowehrestan. Ethnic Russians of the Moscow-St. Pyotrsburg-Ekaterinburg axis won’t put up with this shit, and Putin knows it.

        Being kind of ethnic Russian himself, he’s also favoring that ethnic Russians are a greater share of the post-war Russian population.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >My dude this is russia. A win to them looks like a humiliating defeat by any western standard.
        Not sure what makes you think I'm disagreeing with that. That exactly how I see the conflict ending - with both sides declaring victory, even though neither has objectively achieved it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Of Ukraine still exists at the end of this war then they have objectively achieved their primary win condition.
          Never forget that Putin started this war with maximalist goals in mind, whatever he might be claiming now.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >My dude this is russia. A win to them looks like a humiliating defeat by any western standard.
        Not sure what makes you think I'm disagreeing with that. That exactly how I see the conflict ending - with both sides declaring victory, even though neither has objectively achieved it.

        It's telling that as their 3-day SMO enters Junior year, the Kremlin still phrases their goals with vague phrases like "denazification", probably to avoid commitment to any metric too objective to be spun as some sort of win. My guess is that they'll be claiming a victory "of strategic objectives" or some other bullshit so long as they hold ANY territory past the 1991 borders -- and I wouldn't be surprised if the endgame for NATO/EU states is to see Russia get handed a defeat too unmistakable to be framed as anything but.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I wouldn't be surprised if the endgame for NATO/EU states is to see Russia get handed a defeat too unmistakable to be framed as anything but.
          This is why I suspect the conflict will not end until Crimea is back under Ukrainian control
          The russian people must be made to experience the consequences of their actions in a way they can neither deny nor accept

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the endgame for NATO/EU states is to see Russia get handed a defeat too unmistakable to be framed as anything but.
          They sure are fricking around and taking their sweet time if that's the case

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            How would Russian have been disarmed if they just crashed them out of Ukraine and what good would that do if it left Russia armed? Then again you are either a Russian shill or one of their deluded c**t brained kremlin lovers and either way I hope you die soon.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >n-no pidor! You see, all the Ukrainian fighters dying fighting tooth and nail for their land, the civilians getting shelled every other day, those being deported in the occupied territories... that's actually all part of NATO's master plan to humiliate Russia actually
              With allies like these who needs enemies

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                shut up and frick off moron.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Truth hurts it seems. Just face it. Either NATO and the EU are being limp-wristed, undecisive, and ineffective like with everything that does not pertain to bombing sandBlack folk, or they are actively being malicious actors towards their supposed allies by sacrificing Ukranian lives that they could easily save in order to pursue some geopolitical goal
                Honestly I'm unsure which one is worse

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Either NATO and the EU are being limp-wristed, undecisive, and ineffective like with everything that does not pertain to bombing sandBlack folk
                It's this. Russia's cancer is corruption; ours is bureaucracy.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/99VJMC5.jpg

      Tanks, artillery, ships in black sea fleet or men willing to die a useless death?
      Or can Russia still win this somehow?
      And how long will it take?

      make your guess

      The real winner in this debacle is IMO China. The war has decimated the Russian economy and threatens to politically divide the west, meaning even if they decide not to invade Taiwan they can just buy up all of Russia's oil and industry for itself and further expand their influence. They might even install a puppet government in an attempt to stop the country from fracturing (which would be dangerous for the entire world thanks to a rogue nuclear arsenal).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The real winner in this debacle is IMO China.
        Chinas economy is i a shit state as is e.g the former cash cow hong kong, Covid killed china because it showed how fragile corporate supply chains who had exposure there were and the end of western manufacturing and investment left and the property market strangely started collapsing. Its just a mountain of bad debt, unfinished mega projects and Xi playing at being mao. .

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think calling it "collapsed" goes a little far.

          Their real problem is that they haven't, and kind of *cannot*, become a "developed economy". Between wolf warrior 'diplomacy' pissing off the entire world, and their israeli as frick restrictions that restrict trade and blanket ban foreigners from taking money out of the country, they can never ever reach the position the first world is in.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think then evergrade the biggest Chinese property developer that has been at the heart of Chinas economic .miracle' and been bailed out has still gone bankrupt you can say collapsed, yes. I was talking to someone who was there in person who told me that the same six lane motorway near the factory they are stopping buying from has been sitting hanging in space for over three years going to nowhere and bits of it are now falling off. DYOR

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >evergrade
              https://seekingalpha.com/article/4675228-can-china-real-estate-market-survive-evergrande

              The collapse of Chinese real estate giant Evergrande is being called, by some, China's "Lehman Moment." It's a massive reality check for a country that has transformed itself over the decades with unprecedentedly massive urbanization and economic growth.
              Country Garden, another of the largest developers, has failed to repay its loans and is now facing liquidation demands from creditors. It's another significant domino signaling that China's real estate crisis is far from over.
              Whether it's enough to collapse China's economy and contribute to a global downturn is an unanswered question. But regardless of what happens financially, the perception change among the Chinese is a tectonic shift.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Whether it's enough to collapse China's economy
                It's not. They moved to backstop against that like five years ago already, that's exactly why the CCP is willing to let it fail now.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >DYOR
                yeah my own research indicates that China is here to stay. Pointing at the youth unemployment or the current debt crisis is like saying Spain is doomed or the US couldn't recover from the GFC. Some anecdote about a factory failing? If I posted pictures of Detroit and talked about the collapse of america you would laugh.

                I don't even think the demographics will kick anything off either. They'll just let their elderly die in droves if they become a burden.

                I think it will be easier to deal with the threat they pose if we don't write them off as a paper tiger. For example they aren't food secure so it should be easy to deter them from war. If we remain vigilant. On the other hand, if the West allows them to gain control of southeast asia under the assumption that they're about to collapse...

                Are you Chinese because you are very very sure for someone who is watching an unfolding situation, the CCP did not 'manange' evergrades collapse, they threw money at it and it went bankrupt anyway and right now the next most massive Chinese property development company is going broke. The Chinse state is not managing at all, local government financed mega projects with land sales and borrowing and are now effectively bankrupt as well and the whole nation is littered with massive decaying and abandoned projects. There are hundreds of thousands of empty buildings that used have factories in them. The next property giant collapsing is Country Garden and that is literally happening now. The IMF cannot mail out China either. Property is 31% of Chinas GDP. This is a great depression tier event for China and Xi will likely respond to that with even more authoritarianism. China is fricked.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Country Garden
                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/28/china-property-giant-country-garden-liquidation-petition-debt

                Embattled China property giant Country Garden faces liquidation petition
                Country Garden’s shares fell more than 12% in early trading on Wednesday, amid a continued debt crisis in China’s property sector

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not chinese and only one of those posts is mine. I'm just pointing out that the second largest economy in the world might suffer a contraction, but it isn't going to spontaneously combust. Now obviously their highly corrupt and ineffectual mode of government is inflating the numbers but that same oppressive dictatorship is going to be able to handle a debt crisis quite effectively. They can force the population to bear the burden and between the great firewall and the army what are they going to do about it? Don't expect China to disappear and don't be arrogant when it comes to your enemies

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not chinese and only one of those posts is mine. I'm just pointing out that the second largest economy in the world might suffer a contraction, but it isn't going to spontaneously combust
                1/3 of the Chinese economy is property development. It is imploding catastrophically and the CCP have absolutely NOT succeeded in managing it or haling the collapse . this is just five days ago

                >Country Garden
                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/28/china-property-giant-country-garden-liquidation-petition-debt

                Embattled China property giant Country Garden faces liquidation petition
                Country Garden’s shares fell more than 12% in early trading on Wednesday, amid a continued debt crisis in China’s property sector

                >https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/28/china-property-giant-country-garden-liquidation-petition-debt
                >Embattled China property giant Country Garden faces liquidation petition
                >Country Garden’s shares fell more than 12% in early trading on Wednesday, amid a continued debt crisis in China’s property sector

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not chinese and only one of those posts is mine. I'm just pointing out that the second largest economy in the world might suffer a contraction, but it isn't going to spontaneously combust. Now obviously their highly corrupt and ineffectual mode of government is inflating the numbers but that same oppressive dictatorship is going to be able to handle a debt crisis quite effectively. They can force the population to bear the burden and between the great firewall and the army what are they going to do about it? Don't expect China to disappear and don't be arrogant when it comes to your enemies

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                nta, but i think you might be under-selling the scale of the economic damage somewhat. As i understand it, real estate was one of the few investments in China worth having as most of the rest were subject to frequent and arbitrary restrictions by the CCP. As such, a very large portion of domestic capital was put into it, meaning that the real estate collapse effectively evaporated a solid chunk of everybodies' wealth. While it might not be considered a complete destruction of the Chinese economy, i'd say it does constitute some very serious damage that would be difficult to recover from.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Are you Chinese
                Does it matter, or are you just trying to be a dishonest little weasel looking for any excuse - like an arguemntum ad hominem fallacy - to ignore your BS being called out?

                >for someone who is watching an unfolding situation
                I've been watching it for years, that's exactly why I'm sure. They didn't "manage" the collapse per se, but they did start creating a set of general backstops around late 2019/early 2020 to limit damages from the whole sector going shaky.

                >they threw money at it
                They threw *a pittance* at it in a last ditch experiment to see wether it'd help, and then just let it blow.

                >The Chinse state is not managing at all, local government financed mega projects with land sales and borrowing and are now effectively bankrupt as well and the whole nation is littered with massive decaying and abandoned projects.
                Good job literally regurgitating the common western propaganda line 1:1. Too bad it doesn't work on anyone who actually has an idea of what's going on in there.

                >There are hundreds of thousands of empty buildings that used have factories in them.
                LMAO, sure there are. In fact, there is an empty factory for every twenty people in China, believe me!

                >Property is 31% of Chinas GDP.
                So now you're literally just asspulling, I guess. Weak. I expected something resembling an actual argument here. Oh well, PrepHole.

                >This is a great depression tier event for China
                Only it's not evne 1/10th as bad as the great depression evne by the absolutely most pessimistic forecast that isn't pure clueless amateur copium. But keep coping, if that's what makes you happy. China's totally gonna collapse any day now, just as it was collapsing any day now for the last 30+ years.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I mean you're going a bit far on the other end now. This debt crisis is going to frick them over for about ~10 years the same way it fricked over the US, and then right after they finish solving that the One Child Policy demographic issue is gonna hit them like a truck

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh sure. It's gonna frick things over for a couple years. But really, it ain't the Great Depression. It ain't even as bad as some of the shit Wall Street produced over the last 20 years. People talking as if they're the grand experts while predicting China's imminent collapse for the thousandth time this decade are just so goddamn tiresome to me by now that I just clap back rather than entertain the nonsense.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The problem for China is that they are having three crisis events at once. The movement into population decline as a slow but major issue, at the same time as excessive property investment and high local government and investment vehicle debt. The interactions make it a lot harder and more expensive to resolve. If it was just the property market it would be a 3 year problem, sure.

                Now they need to resolve to massively revise central state expenditure and mass invest in regions and rural areas to improve wages, take on a lot of the property market as a state problem/ cost to fix it, and take on local government debts , all at the same time. That isn't compatible with spending a fortune on Belt and Road and the military, but the leadership lacks the wisdom to pivot and make that change. So it will inevitably go wrong.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                sounds plausible

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Everything the CCP has done has made the situation worse. The Chinese property bubble is astronomical, the largest in history, the tulip bubble of property and the CCP created it. It is now crashing. Their financial system is no longer solvent or stable and no one can or will bail them out.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes yes, China is about to collapse, I’ve heard that shilled to me by propagandists for what seems like 20 years now.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe you should have listened then because they were right.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the thing everyone has seen coming from a mile away happens
                >chang thinks that's proof it's not real

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >DYOR
              yeah my own research indicates that China is here to stay. Pointing at the youth unemployment or the current debt crisis is like saying Spain is doomed or the US couldn't recover from the GFC. Some anecdote about a factory failing? If I posted pictures of Detroit and talked about the collapse of america you would laugh.

              I don't even think the demographics will kick anything off either. They'll just let their elderly die in droves if they become a burden.

              I think it will be easier to deal with the threat they pose if we don't write them off as a paper tiger. For example they aren't food secure so it should be easy to deter them from war. If we remain vigilant. On the other hand, if the West allows them to gain control of southeast asia under the assumption that they're about to collapse...

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah my own research indicates that China is here to stay

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >sensationalist clickbait titles over nothingburger stories
                So typical western reporting about China these days.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Russia's invasion of Ukraine contributed to that, also.
          I had to write a paper a year or so back for a world trade class about how we'd likely see reshoring to Western Aligned countries in the next decade, as China and India have proven themselves either hostile to the West, or at least unreliable and incompetent as business partners.
          Unironically, Mexico is the perfect choice for getting cheap labor and low environmental standards, while still being on the same continent and not having to pay through the nose for global oceanic shipping.
          We've seen reshoring slowly start, and I forsee it exploding in the next decade.
          Which is a good thing for the West. Now I just wish the political capital would appear to cut the subhumans off from the internet, and take away the UN food aid, for good measure.
          If they hate us so much, they can find a way to feed themselves.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Unironically, Mexico is the perfect choice for getting cheap labor and low environmental standards, while still being on the same continent and not having to pay through the nose for global oceanic shipping.
            it's what we should have done in the first place instead of throwing money and industry at the chinkoids

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Russia's invasion of Ukraine contributed to that, also.
              I had to write a paper a year or so back for a world trade class about how we'd likely see reshoring to Western Aligned countries in the next decade, as China and India have proven themselves either hostile to the West, or at least unreliable and incompetent as business partners.
              Unironically, Mexico is the perfect choice for getting cheap labor and low environmental standards, while still being on the same continent and not having to pay through the nose for global oceanic shipping.
              We've seen reshoring slowly start, and I forsee it exploding in the next decade.
              Which is a good thing for the West. Now I just wish the political capital would appear to cut the subhumans off from the internet, and take away the UN food aid, for good measure.
              If they hate us so much, they can find a way to feed themselves.

              I hate to rain on the parade here, but Mexico isn't exactly an economic powerhouse. Vietnam, Malaysia and the rest of southeast asia are the ones taking the bulk of the companies that are leaving China.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                All of whom are anti-China already, which is fine.
                But Mexico's a decent little economy, with extra advantages due to NAFTA/CUSMA.
                Did you know, for instance, that the % of cars that has to be built in North America to make them eligible for sale in the US has only gone up, to about 75% or so?
                Mexico's under that umbrella. If a manufacturer doesn't want to build in the US or Canada, his only other option is down south.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Helps that cartels and funny drug nonsense aside, Mexico is a firm US ally that is also so weak as to be an irrelevance.
              Build the factories, the either bribe the cartels not to frick with your stuff, or just let them police themselves because they're smart enough not to want a Desert Storming of Mexico, so they already actively surrender members that frick with US tourists or whatever.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'd like to believe that having an actual economy and growing standards of living would help undermine the appeal of the cartel lifestyle to a degree

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Unironically, Mexico is the perfect choice for getting cheap labor and low environmental standards, while still being on the same continent and not having to pay through the nose for global oceanic shipping.
            yes south America is a far better business partner for the USA than e.g China or Myanmaror or India. However the Philippines, Vietnam, Australia etc are places with lots of trade and development potential

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The real winner in this debacle is IMO China.
        That depends. If they can somehow contain their moronic hardon for Taiwan and then come out of the conflict as a "peacemaker" of some kind (while at the same time supplying weapons and materials to both sides), then yes, I'd be inclined to agree with you.
        However, if Xi takes the SMO as a sign that he should proceed with his own "small victorious war", then China as we know it will likely not exist 10 years from now.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What kind of sign, if not a bad one? After seeing how badly his counterpart's doing with a land-war against a smaller neighbor, I don't think Xi's too eager to outdo him by assaulting an island fortress without much of a blue-water navy. Maybe he might make an attempt around 2040 depending on success of construction, but even then a blockade of Taiwan as a first-resort is far likelier and arguably more cost-effective. So for now, all we can do is engage in naval-gazing.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >most important ally commits suicide and is at extreme risk to have a democratic revolution
        >economy so hard in the gutter, you have to watch your eternal nemesis destroying your closest ally without helping

        True winner?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I dont think there's anything on earth that can stop Russia's future fractionalisation now
      They're a mafia state of two dozen odd ethnicities that fricking hate each other held together solely by military force.
      They were already watching the clock until demographic dumps drain that military of the power necessary to keep it together, they've now accelerated that process by at least a decade and doubled down on the damage by wiping out their tank and missile stockpiles
      2 years of war, another decade or so of stalemate, and then 1992 will happen again and Ukr will reclaim everything lost.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Other nuclear powers will step in to prop up the russian state just like they did in the 90s

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think he means along the lines of Chechnya and Georgia regaining their independence and all progress toward integrating Belarus going up in smoke.
          "Russia" at this point is just Moscow in the eyes of the ethnic Russian, and even if Moscow couldn't order a sandwich from its surrounding oblasts it would remain content to paint them her colors on the map, so long as nothing happens to necessitate breaking the masquerade.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think the biggest thing that’ll frick them more than anything else is the brain hemorrhaging they’ve had since the Wall fell. By now literally all the smart and/or competent people in Russia fled already, are imprisoned, or were just flat out killed. And lord knows they aren’t attracting any sort of outside talent anywhere, outside of degen morons like that rockabilly Cali barber thats a walking poster child of what happens when Dunning Kreuger meets political compass memes. Russia has almost nothing that makes them competitive at all anymore thats not just rusted out Soviet legacy junk that may have meant something in the early 2000’s but has now shown to be WW2 equipment levels of obsolete in a modern conflict. Best case scenario for Russia assuming the mafia state doesn’t die out and a Navalny doesn’t hold the reigns undoing the vatnik mindrot is that they become an alcoholic and not as deranged North Korea. Lord knows there’s a fair amount of comparisons to be made between the two.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >winning is defined as [not the definition of winning]
      I could have stopped reading right there. You’re moronic.
      Anyway, it would be a military victory for Russia if it could end the war with Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk secure, which is likely to happen and which the land corridor to Crimea helps with.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Snow Black folk in BBC POCCNR are contemplating making their own version of a mobik appeal to monke and Shoigun because of all the planes that keep getting shot down lately.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Man I didn't think ziggers would be stupid enough to try and human wave pilots but here we are, monke really needs that new palatial estate in Odesa

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they should better contact ukraine and defect

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Czar good
      Boyar General bad

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which telegram is this?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        here

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Collective appeal
      So, they are dead, one way or the other.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        only one way.
        monkari will ignore their compaints and force them to fly towards ukraine no matter what

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those poor pilots, actually having to risk their lives during a war. I guess fighting an enemy that can shoot back isn't as easy as bombing hospitals.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's a difference between managed risk and flat-out suicide. As much as I disagree with their objectives, they really should be adequately protected as a matter of principle instead of having their years of training literally go down in smoke.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      so how hard is it for these guys to defect?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >fly on mission
        >fake tech issues and turn off transponder
        >keep flying through air corridor provided to you by Ukranian glowies
        >land at base
        >receive large chunk of cash and not have to become eternal flight

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Safer and easier to fly to Romania.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Go to Spain live the comfy life with that cash
          >FSB glowies kills you anyway
          When are we reinstating McCarthysm anyway, it's about time

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >implying Putin can spare glowies to kill anyone now
            This war has had many benefits world wide

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That one guy defected and was assassinated in Spain

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    yeah I'm sure T-55 and T-62 obr. 2024 are the sure signs of industrial powerhouses, you fricking moron.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      i mean they were using them as artilery since the turret can aim higher than anything they have so.....

      yes?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >We're
        Disingenuous Black person, you can shoot at enemy targets at 800m with an AK-47, is it using it correctly?
        Also, they were using it as tanks since day one.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          what kind of cope is that

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >i mean they were using them as artilery
        T-62 is a fricking smoothbore. Obviously things are going well

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    remind us what happened next, pidor
    here's a hint- starts with "Kiyv" and ends with "feint"

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can you post where you get your info from so we don't have to wait for threads

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >whether /k/ wants to admit it or not, russia is an industrial powerhouse and as such, they will literally never run out of armored vehicles to throw into the meatgrinder

    Would ring better if it wasn't forthe fact they are already forced to cover the gaps with early T-series and MT-LB rather than more T-90s, BMP3s, or for that matter armatas and terminators.

    To be fair you may have a point in the sense they may always have machines and people to throw at the next industrial block, problem is, we are just 2 years of war and the only reason they are advancing is a combination of republicans barring weapons sales (oh the irony) forcing ukkies to rely more on a still reactivating EU MIC support and reluctance to call mobilization.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    just look up some of the battles of 1941-1942 Russians ability to endure massive losses is their superpower. They will out last wienerroaches before they lose in Ukraine

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just look up some of the battles of 1941-1942 Russians ability to endure massive losses is their superpower.
      Lend-lease was the only reason they did not run out of materiel by 1943. Don't be silly.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >lend-lease
        not talking material loses which were massive but human capital. USSR must have lost a few million men in the first 3 months of Operation Barbarossa

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Manpower doesn't matter, Russia can mobilize few million troops, but what will they fight with, fricking spears? If they did that you all would be graced with TZD that never been seen since WW2. Russia has already population problems even more so since SMO.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia has already population problems even more so since SMO.
            They can import central asians anyway.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Didn't you say they are inferior to whites? Or are you one of those who claim slavs aren't white? 🙂

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Central Asians are starting to think that puccia is a shithole and that moving there will get them sent to the SMO to die. And they're 100% right.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Tajiks/Turkmens still live in a bigger shithole than current day puccia.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > but what will they fight with, fricking spears?
            Does Russia have a production problem? They already produce more artillery shells than NATO. They have the capacity to make dozens of basic b***h T-90s a month and BMPs

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              And yet they're handing out rusted ass AK's to their troops and asking them to bring their own medical supplies.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Schrödinger mobnik
                At the same time a mindless bumbling moron armed with rusty ak or even shovels and riding on refurbished ww2 tank, and a force that ukraine struggles to push back and therefore requires billions in military aid from america to defeat

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The is a LOT of them, quantity has a quality all of its own and all that.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >They already produce more artillery shells than NATO.
              Lol, more like they buy them from norks with their remaining gold reservers and space technology

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            china will provide them the necessary weaponry

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Most of whom were either Ukrainian or Belarussian. As much as their citizens believe it, Modern Russia is not the USSR

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This time Lend Lease is helping the other side.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Biden did absolutely nothing with Lend-Lease and now it's expired.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they don't have infinite equipment homosexual

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They don't have close to the same demographics as the USSR did in 1941

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Ukraine was ruthlessly exploited by the US
    ruthlessly exploited?
    by giving them billions of dollars in cash and massive amount of equipment and free training and advanced air defense so their civilians didn't get killed....and they don't have to repay anything?
    that's ruthlessly exploited? you fricking moron.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean US did frick Ukraine up when they had a chance to push Russians out in 2023.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only Russia gets to exploit its neighbors

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      170bn in total supposedly (probably cash + weapons). europoor probably gave them a similar amount.
      they were still spoon fed weapons so that the conflict would be as prolonged as possible.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Listening to a South African about international affairs

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    How many bans is this guy gonna rack up before he gets a range ban? Holy shit

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]

    You're equally insane if you believe this crap.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >3673 Bayraktars
      That's more than three times as many as Bayraktar has actually built (in total, not jsut for Ukraine) btw.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    They have consistently predicted everything; from mobilizations to T-55s appearing on the front line.
    They also don't include the no-doubt thousands of suicides, desertions, deaths from exposure, and murders that occur behind the Russian lines, where no Ukie intelligence can see them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      don't forget the zigs getting picked off by partisans as well

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Artillery tubes larger than 122mm are going to extinct if Covert Cabals numbers are remotely accurate.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      of all the mil bloggers out the coverts numbers are probably near the most accurate, as hes been counting from the old to new shots.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I find these equipment calculations to be impossible since there is just no way of knowing the numbers only from satellite photos.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Russia fell deep, from Sputnik to "what is Satellite doing?"

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Seethe harder
    Poland is richer, safer and cleaner than Russia has ever been and Ukraine will be too

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >run out first
    That's not how it works. What you'll see is just general combat capabilities being eroded more and more as one part or another of the combined arms panoply becomes rare enough that it can't be provided to many actions anymore, which then starts a downward spiral where the remaining arms start taking increased losses due to no longer being supported adequately. It ends with a whimper, not a bang.

    [...]

    >but this is literally the mainstream perspective in Poland now
    No it's not, and you're not from Poland, pidor. Nor from Indiana, even though you share the exact diction and posting style of the pidor shill that keeps claiming to be a yank from there (and pushes the EXACT same demoralization propaganda), too.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you cope-prone, ignorant muttoid, of course you latch onto this one bit, you're so eager for an excuse to engage with what I wrote
      plenbs say this, people like Bartosiak say this, the usual military talking heads say this, Sikorski speaks of hedging because of this
      >muh ziggers say that, I can tell by the diction you're that other guy, trust me bro, this proves something
      best propaganda is built on truthful foundation

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kek, struck a nerve there with calling you out as also being the Indiana schizo, it seems.

        >best propaganda
        Maybe. What's that got to do with your shit-tier propaganda exactly?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you call me out for being a disingenuous moron? must have struck a nerve 🙂
          Pretending there is nothing to respond to is still a concession, muttoid

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >still seething this hard
            Way to confirm it, pidor.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >wasting
    Losing single digits while slaughtering russkie vees by the dozens and hundreds is hardly a waste, pidor.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be grateful we didn't squander even more while losing
      Do you unironically think that is a winning argument?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >muh squander
        >muh losing
        You're still trying too hard, ziggie.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Or maybe Eastern Europe having free will, memory and moral agency, unlike subhuman vatBlack folk, decided not to take their chances, won't be the first time Russia became buttbroken only to come back some decades later. Such lack of knowledge of european history shows government wasted education funds in the morons who are nowadays shilling for Russia.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does Russia still field mobiks or are they mostly turd worlders now?

    All those equipment will be replaced by Chink, Iranian and Nork stocks; it's their lend-lease.

    Chinks will never send their modern stuff but they do have T-72 and T-90 clones before they had their own tank.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      China never had any T-72 or T-90 clones. They went from variably bombed-up T-54s (aka Type 59/69/79) straight to their own indigenous tank designs (Type 96 and Type 99) due to the sino-soviet split.

      The only intermediaries between those was the Type 80/85/88 family, which were essentially an attempt to roid up a T-54 into a modern MBT and were never produced in any significant numbers, with the PLA itself only buying a token amount. Their biggest user today is Pakistan.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yes, some industrial wasteland blocks in exchange of 100,000 dead russians and an ever diminishing stockpile, by all means, keep going.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Fortunately Musk's own tard wrangles are on the job.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well…because NATO WON.

      The tragedy is that Russia wasn’t made to put down the bottle and put in shoes and come in with NATO along with Ukraine and the Baltics.

      If everyone is guaranteeing everyone else’s borders, where is the problem?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >and come in with NATO along with Ukraine and the Baltics.
        Publicly available history is a bit murky on this, but monke did go on record saying he talked to Clinton about joining, which makes me believe he did not want to go through the regular application process and instead wanted some kind of special considerations that the US (and, by extension, NATO) were not willing to provide.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, the special agreement was that he would not have to meet any of the standards that other NATO members are supposed to uphold. Monke wanted it so that he could try to split it, is my guess. I don't think security concerns were ever his genuine concern.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          How did monke talk to Clinton when Clinton was out of office by the time monke took over

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Putin started as acting president in late 99 and Clinton's last term was until 2001, so it's entirely possible.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Understandably so. Governments tend to like to bury their past frick-ups.

          Thing is that it should have been explored more fully. After the Georgian and Chechen wars, and staring at the inevitability of being borders by the -stans, plus the Muslims, I think Russia might have been in a position to be incrementally reformed and then jumped into La Cliqua.

          Secure OUR eastern borders and secure THEIR western borders to reorient towards the threat from the east and the south.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Russia basically sees NATO as "US rules, everyone is their b***hes", so when they brought up it in talks (nothing official was even asked for), they basically asked to "another top dog in NATO, not like those sissy-homosexuals like France or Germany", while US said that they can't offer anything special for russia and russia is free to join in like everyone else. In the russian world view that was a rejection of them from NATO.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Russia is not the kind of player you want to invite to anything which is based on an agreement. They probably never will be, at least not in hundreds of years

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    We are always over budget every year, we aretrillions dollars in debt. And our highest expenditure no longer medicare but interest on our debt. That's not rich, that's forcing all your friends and family to give you money they know they will never get back.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >and indeed, why spoil such a nice, safe, predictable war? Ukrainian victory would be risky on so many levels

    This is so moronic I'm sure it's true as far as US government is concerned. Wars are not predictable, and merely keeping Ukraine in the fight will inevitably allow them to reach a point when they can defeat russians on their own. Except in this case, Ukrainians will be pretty mad at America and other "allies" who gave them this kind of treatment and might be reluctant to listen to what they have to say at the negotiating table.

    The truth of the matter is Ukrainians merely need to fight this war to achieve total victory because at some point, puccia will go bankrupt. You can sustain a defence while bankrupt, but you can't sustain an invasion. And with how much support they're getting despite moronic political meddling, they're quite likely to defeat puccians via attrition even earlier.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You cant argue against someone who hasn't made an argument moron
    "Nuh uh russia is actually winning" is not an argument

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >men willing to die a useless death
    this will never run out

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]

    Trying. Too. Hard.

    Also
    >Never making an argument
    Nice projection, pidor. Sorry, but screeching out transparent lies about things youi know less than nothign about (like what poles are thinking about all this) does not constitute an actual argument. Nor does seething and dilating massively over being called out on being a regular zigger shitposter.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Artillery is already gone, its been degraded enough that the Russians are losing airframes trying to compensate for its absence with air strikes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Artillery is already gone
      Every Ukrainian who fought in Avdivvka, and all media reports from there said otherwise lol

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Russia was dropping glide bombs on avdiivka to compensate for a lack of artillery

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          thats not what frontline reports said kek

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Its exactly what the front line represents said and is also further borne out by the string of downed flanker variants we've had recently

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              > string of downed flanker variants we've had recently
              0 proof of any of that, it was obviously made up to shore up morale after the collapse of Avdiivka

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                sure it was, pidor

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >thats not what frontline reports said kek
            gib proofs.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Russia invaded in 2014
    From that point on all promises, assurances and garauntees made by the Russian government have been worth less than nothing.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >absolute delusional /misc/tard moment
    LMAO, at current rate of advance (threadly reminder that the "total collapse of the front" post-Avdiivka translated to them gaining like half a mile within a week) that's gonna be more like 8-14 years for Russia to get that far. Except by then they're also gonna be out of military-age male population at current casualty ratios.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >muh dumbass civilians
    You mean the one sthat got regularily shelled by artillery fire coming in from the east? Kys, zigger shill.

    >muh Istanbul peace deal
    You mean the one they went "negotiating" when they were desperately playing for time because it literally looked like their entire army was collapsing and routing after the absolute shitshow of an invasion?

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Gonna be fun showing you this delusional picture in November, when the frontline will still be in Donbass and another 100-250k ziggers will have been cubed.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair I suspect ukrainians will lose Donbass within this year, however I think by 2025 european rearmament and MIC will be in full effect, this is going to happen no matter what and Russia simply has not way to outmach the entire industrial capability of Europe, after all, major russian victories will validate the need for increasing military expenditures and the need to keep Ukraine within the fight, with russians treatment of the conquered making sure no peace agreement is ever reach, and then if ukkies actually somehow manage another successful counteroffensive well, that's self-explanatory.

      Besides, no matter who wins the elections within US, both candidates have expressed their desire to rearm the West in their own way.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >are complaining about constant fresh Russian troop rotations
    They aren't being rotated. They're replacing the fallen with fresh meat.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They aren't being rotated.
      Basically every Ukrainian TG channel that isnt blatant :Baghdad Bob"-tier propaganda is saying otherwise

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        May we see those "ukrainian" TG channels?

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >very last reserves
    how many times have you thought this before?

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >, once its out of reserves then cities start falling like a line of dominos
    TWO
    MORE
    WEEKS
    TOTAL COLLAPSE OF THE FRONT

    Jesus christ I'm so tired of you russians

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Jesus christ I'm so tired of you russians
      I'm American lol

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fine, useful idiot then.
        But understand that when you've been claiming Ukrainian internal collapse is imminent for 700 days in a row nobody is going to believe you on day 701.

        Get a new talking point.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You keep claiming that. When you're not trying to claim that you're polish, anyway.

        It's still not working.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You sound like you're not celebrating.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Weren't the Ukrainians already spending their last reserves in Bakhmut? Yo9u subhumans kept claiming that.

    > All the Ukrainian telegram channels are complaining about constant fresh Russian troop rotations
    May we see these "rotations"? Would be the first time in this war ziggers don't let units stay on the front until they are completely shattered or wiped out.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    This is like the tenth time that Ukraine has thrown its last reserves what the frick lmao. Is Zelensky a frickin warlock now? Metal as frick

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Europe has already switched to "overpriced" Americna LNG and renewables, and now has massive economic interest groups making profit off of that move, ensuring that political lobbying will only become MORE anti-Russia as time amrches on. Russia will never be allowed to gain as much as a toehold in that market again within our lifetimes outside of delusional zigger cope. 60% reduction in Russian gas sales to Russia last year, and it's gonna be 80%+ this one and soon enough it will approach 100%. Deal with it.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >shelling civilians in Donbass
    By the most current estimate, something like 20 civilians died from this alleged "shelling" over the course of the entire 8 years. Considering that by now Donbass pretty much has no civilian population left, I can only conclude that monke's concern was AFU not going hard enough on the poor bastards.

    Also, Russia bringing up any sort of "accords" after 2014 is highly ironic, to say the least.

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I still remember back when the Ukrainians were desperately throwing in the very last of their reserves to hold the line outside Kyiv

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    They can also by from Australia, south America or the Middle East if they don't like American gas
    I recommend Australian because, like everything else here, its simply better than the overseas alternatives

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    omg...omg a recession!! it's over!!
    tell me pidor how is russia's economy doing?

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    post eggs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Recession in first world countries: "Oh noooo I have to buy the budget non-organic brands or cut on some purchases now"
      >Recession in third world countries: "I can't buy the eggs....."
      It feels so weird. Even if the whole world is in recession, if you take your first world money and move to a third world country, you can still live as a king.

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Do you realise that LNG prices in Europe are at their lowest levels in years? As in, lower than even before the monke chimpout?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      russian state media said that europe is going to freeze for like a year straight and russia itself experienced an LNG shortage this winter, that's why the shills bring it up.

      They can't imagine that they're doing worse than their perceived rivals in europe when the resource is available to them domestically.

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The architecture in the Donbass must be nuclear-proofed if it looks practically untouched after '8 years' of shelling, as opposed to a year for Mariupol and Bakhmut. Truly curious.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >we did it anon we liberated donetsk from nato occupation!

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    For defense against the pidors? An acceptable price, historically even the most degenerate societies have fought to the bitter end a cheaper mobile phone and a few less fancy dinners the next year won't kill anyone, besides, here is something you all seem to have memory-holed:

    And funnily enough we got further encouragement:

    So, you think Europe is gonna throw a tantrum about "orange man doesn't tell us what to do" and concede to some old fart who has to send meatwaves supported by 60 years old t-series?

    Russia's oil and gas isn't replaceable, no oil producer truly is if there is a will to that, ask the iranians how long they have been sanctioned, and the more time it goes the more efficient the new providers will be at getting cheaper fuel.

  47. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What will run out first?
    Completely? Russian combat aircraft. They have already effectively run out of modern tanks, guns or APCs other than as the occasional totemic symbols. Germany was manufacturing from scratch far far far more tanks than Russia is just renovating(Russia makes no tanks from scratch) now. A better question is when does Russia stop being a mechanized military and when does Russia stop fighting? Well that's probably this summer with final 'retreat' in autumn and political collapse next winter. Russia under Putin is done and they have lost the war in Ukraine. The huge sacrifices in men and material they have made for months were in order to try and secure a negotiating position that was never on offer to them to begin with. Ukraine just becomes more and more heavily armed and militarily capable from this year onwards. The critical marks for Russia are the roughly 2 million marked killed and serious casualties and they are well on the way to that. A barometer of loss that might be useful is when Modern Russian MLRS losses go above 1100 and rise towards 1200 you are in the Russian army is collapsing stage, The UKranians are in the process of wiping out teh Russian air force now, as we have seen them systematically wipe out Russian tanks, then artillery as well as their first line reserves and eliminate the entire vast pre war fleet of Russian APCs (nearly 14000) to zero. Now they are doing the Russian air force, obvious precursor to destroying the rest of the black sea fleet and the bridge to Crimea before retaking it and I don;t think the Ukrainian military in the field will have to fire a shot to retake it either

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That'd highly plausible. Supposedly they only have 5 of their A-50 planes left

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with this equation is artillery. Both sides are suffering from shortages, which means that neither can advance easily because they need cover (and also because the ground is so heavily mined they need to shell it clean without an air-force to compensate). Destroying most of Russia's combat vehicles simply makes them incapable of offensives, but won't yield territory.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The problem with this equation is artillery. Both sides are suffering from shortages,
        Ukraine has no problem there as there are multiple EU factories spinning up, including Rheinmetal factories in Ukraine. Of course air dominance from Ukraine moves the war away from artillery aside from long range rocketry. The west for example uses air power for CAS. Russia has already lost the way, they lost the war when they failed to win it by October 2022 and western arms started showing up.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Going after territory was Ukraine's mistake following the lucky successes of the early Kyiv Feint, Kherson and Kharkiv counter-offensives. Ukraine should be on defense, give up land slowly for TZD. That's how they won the Kyiv feint. Zelensky picked the General who defended Kyiv in order to prepare Russia for a Ukraine feint.

  48. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    things must be going poorly for mighty puccia judging by the amount of zigger seething we've seen the last few days

  49. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >I am bleeding out faster than everyone else, which means I am the healthiest man alive!
    What do you think is going to happen when the war ends and the military industry that ate everything else has to stop, and sanctions still aren't lifted? Are you willing to sell everything you own to China, for instance?

  50. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    EU is not in recession and the UK is not even in the EU. In fact some EU nations are thriving. Germanies problems are that it trusted Russian and invested a lot there because Gerhard Schröder was a Russian quisling who thought trading with them would draw Russia into civilization via prosperity. He was wrong and no one will ever invest in Russia again, for a generation at least

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >who thought trading with them would draw Russia into civilization via prosperity
      I want to be harsh on him, but most of us in the pacific made the exact same mistake with China.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fair but in the last year he made some very questionable choices that veer into quisling territory.Either way he is done.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Gerhard Schröder was a Russian quisling who thought trading with them would draw Russia into civilization via prosperity
      Getting millions of USD is a nice bonus on that, right? Who are you kidding, for all of the talk of ukrainian corruption, Germany pulled some Black person-tier corrupt shit.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What I stated is not a matter of debate, it was a widely advocated policy of engagement with Russian to enrich it so as it would join civilization and cease being a curse to humanity. In the end though Germany is suffering economically because it invested in Russia and that was a mistake, trade did not make Russia civilized. The think I find funniest its the Russians claiming their economy grew 3.4% more than the EU, more than the US, more than Japan. Hilarious. The big lie is the Russian economy and I have no doubt that is Putins greatest concern. You can see that by the awful propaganda with Tuckler Carleson sniffing bread like a moron

  51. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Would China be better at running Russia than russians themselves?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      A potted plant would be better at running Russia than the current Russian government. Which is unfortunate, because I'd really prefer if my country wasn't a corrupt shithole.

      t. Russian

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Have you ever voted for Putin? Well then blame yourself. You knew be was a belligerent, USSR worshiping KGB man who got elected by blowing up apartments in Moscow

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Have you ever voted for Putin?
          No. But even if I had, the last semi-legitimate elections that we've had were in 1996. Everything after that was just a circus.

          You should follow NFKRZ Roman's example and flee your country, I wish CIA had done something good for once and offed all the KGB people who have fricked over you, or who knows, maybe you may pull a Maidan revolution. It will cost you blood, but not as much as what Putin is sacrificing for a war you never needed in the first place.

          I left more than 10 years ago. But that doesn't mean I don't want the country I grew up in to actually be a decent place to live. Sadly, that seems unlikely to happen in the next 10 or 20 years.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I left
            More proof that everyone who's left in Russia is just moronic.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You should follow NFKRZ Roman's example and flee your country, I wish CIA had done something good for once and offed all the KGB people who have fricked over you, or who knows, maybe you may pull a Maidan revolution. It will cost you blood, but not as much as what Putin is sacrificing for a war you never needed in the first place.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It'll get better eventually m8 - will get somewhat worse before that though I think.

  52. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yeah sure, keep going I am sure them banning gasoline exports is nice:

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-bans-gasoline-exports-6-months-march-1-2024-02-27/

    The indicator of 2.6 % the IMF is showing is due war production, which in the long term is unsustainable if the rest of the economy is crashing even as we speak due lack of inner consumption, incidentally one of the factor which destroyed the Soviet Union, you don't eat refurbished tanks, not that they have a way out though, if anything they are flying the institutional equivalent to a delta wing without an idea of how to land.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The IMF accepts Russian economic data without substantiation because it has to from members. That does not mean they are true. The Russians claiming 3+% GDP growth is absurd and the only source is the Russians who are not very honest yet you will see that cited in all sorts of media as if it was real. Meanwhile Russian foreign reserves are basically gone.

  53. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If you think that you must be knew to following the war because those numbers have proved themselves here by predicting Russian mobilization, the arrival of T62 and 54s, have been conformed for artillery by satellite pictures of Russian storage sites and most recently by the Russians begging artillery pieces and munitions from north korea as well as buying armaments from Iran. Surprisingly enough the Ukrainian figures seem to be correct and that's been shown over the last 2 years

  54. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >muh recession
    LOL. LMAO, even.

    [...]

    >bigger bigger GDP growth than any G7 country in 2023 according to laughably fake russian government numbers that literally nobody relevant believes for a second
    FTFY.

  55. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The data they bring often is coherent with other sources such as Osint and western glowies, and it's a fact western glowies have as a rule to show the most adverse numbers and opinion, to further elaborate, agencies such as CIA and MI6 have a tendency to portray the data in the most pessimistic way possible, they aren't there to convince the people everything is going as planned, but to keep the politicians and the military paranoid, that's why you had inflated data during the Cold War, with soviet tech taken at face value wunderwaffens and China being capable to build a 200 million strong army, this in turn meant more money for US armed forces and MIC, hence better military capabilities.

  56. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    /k/ is deeply ignorant about the cause of the war. It’s all about Russia’s access to the European energy market which up until now has paid for the Putin government and made up the lion’s share of Russia’s wealth. It’s what made elites in the USSR bring down their government system, it’s what made Putin and his circle of oligarchs fabulously wealthy, and most importantly to them, it’s what is to pay for the new dynasty to be inherited by their children. The US (and allies) wants to cut Russia off from that market for various reasons. About 13-15 years ago or so, huge shale reserves were discovered in Ukraine which ALSO inherited the USSR’s massive pipeline infrastructure feeding Europe. The US launched a project to partner with Ukraine in order to develop those shale reserves, cut off Russian energy exports to Europe while simultaneously replacing it with Ukrainian energy — and that has been the primary US foreign policy objective in Europe for over a decade now. Russia fought back economically and politically, and worked with Germany to set up Nordstream as an insurance policy against being cut off via Ukraine. However about a decade ago the US was victorious in the political battle and Ukraine signed large development deals with Shell and Chevron, the last of which was signed in November 2013, and what happens a few months later? Putin escalated the political war into a military one, and invaded. The purpose of the invasion was to stop the development deals which in fact WORKED, the oil companies pulled out over security concerns. Putin also grabbed Crimea as a secondary objective to assert an EEZ claim over the Black Sea deposits. That was a huge victory for Russia in the energy war mainly because the Obama administration wasn’t prepared for the escalation of the energy battle into a military battle. But the war wasn’t over. Russia tried to expand Nordstream and the US tried to kill it hitting them with a sanction and lots of complaints.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So nothing to do with Ukranians not wanting to be a Russian vassal state living in poverty and wanting to join the EU while also despising Russia for shitting on their language and history and imposing famine and Moscow puppet leaders on them? Nothing to do with that at all?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That’s the public media messaging cover for the Ukrainian development project. Russia hates Ukraine for being prosperous because le democracy or some ridiculous shit. In fact Russia ONLY cared about the pipelines, and as long as a friendly government was in place who weren’t trying to mess with Russia’s energy exports Russia was PERFECTLY happy to let Ukraine be and even consider them an important ally. Google “Ukraine-Russia energy dispute” if you want to scratch the surface on what was actually going on.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >access to the European energy market
      >start war to keep access to key market
      >immediately lose access to said market because your counterparties don't like the idea of you starting armed conflicts on their doorstep

      Truly masterful planning from the greatest geostrategist of our time.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Failing the regime change was obviously VERY bad for Putin but he probably thinks that as long as they can secure the pipelines they ill be able to get back that market. As I explained, losing to Putin and his circle is tantamount to losing their children’s’ future so they’re willing to commit anything it takes to win. It’s not hard to understand. Well maybe for double-digit IQs.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cont.
      Putin likely saw that the US simply wasn’t going to let him secure his energy trade via Nordstream and as long as a West-aligned Ukraine government existed those pipelines were at risk and it was only a matter of time before Russian energy was cut off from Europe. He needed to effect a regime-change and install a friendly government in Ukraine, it was probably his very top priority, trumping basically everything else in importance. That regime-change operation failed in 2022, the RuAF didn’t have the readiness level to accomplish it as planned for various reasons. But to Putin and his oligarchs trying to arrange their new dynasty to pass onto their children losing was not an option. So they had to go back in and do it the hard way, no matter the cost. That’s why they’ve been so comitted to this war regardless of the losses. That’s why they’ve been flogging their industry, finances, foreign relations, etc to the MAXIMUM degree. It’s a crucial battle for the leadership’s future. I’ve simplified it a lot but these are the core issues and stakes.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >losing was not an option
        This only true for king monke himself. Everyone else can do a heel-face turn and just go on as if nothing happened (not without incurring some losses, but still).

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cont.
      Putin likely saw that the US simply wasn’t going to let him secure his energy trade via Nordstream and as long as a West-aligned Ukraine government existed those pipelines were at risk and it was only a matter of time before Russian energy was cut off from Europe. He needed to effect a regime-change and install a friendly government in Ukraine, it was probably his very top priority, trumping basically everything else in importance. That regime-change operation failed in 2022, the RuAF didn’t have the readiness level to accomplish it as planned for various reasons. But to Putin and his oligarchs trying to arrange their new dynasty to pass onto their children losing was not an option. So they had to go back in and do it the hard way, no matter the cost. That’s why they’ve been so comitted to this war regardless of the losses. That’s why they’ve been flogging their industry, finances, foreign relations, etc to the MAXIMUM degree. It’s a crucial battle for the leadership’s future. I’ve simplified it a lot but these are the core issues and stakes.

      Well outside delusional zigger coping that access to the european market is dead and gone and won't be coming back within our lifetime, soooo...

      BTW, I was there two other times you tried this copypaste and then went full delusional subhuman zigger shill over being told that Russia has already suffered total defeat in this regard.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cont.
      Putin likely saw that the US simply wasn’t going to let him secure his energy trade via Nordstream and as long as a West-aligned Ukraine government existed those pipelines were at risk and it was only a matter of time before Russian energy was cut off from Europe. He needed to effect a regime-change and install a friendly government in Ukraine, it was probably his very top priority, trumping basically everything else in importance. That regime-change operation failed in 2022, the RuAF didn’t have the readiness level to accomplish it as planned for various reasons. But to Putin and his oligarchs trying to arrange their new dynasty to pass onto their children losing was not an option. So they had to go back in and do it the hard way, no matter the cost. That’s why they’ve been so comitted to this war regardless of the losses. That’s why they’ve been flogging their industry, finances, foreign relations, etc to the MAXIMUM degree. It’s a crucial battle for the leadership’s future. I’ve simplified it a lot but these are the core issues and stakes.

      While you definitely have a point regarding the energy markets as a motivation, i think it would be overly-reductionist to assume that was the sole or primary motivation on Russia's part. There's a very strong ideological one that's been present in Russia for well over a century now, that being Pan-slavism and Official Nationality. While these ideas are not typically referenced directly in the modern day, I would say they had a very strong impact in how Russia views many of it's slavic neighbors to the west and informs many of their actions and attitudes regarding them. You do actually see a lot of this in the Tucker Carlson interview where Putin, rather than justifying the invasion on geopolitical grounds or in a way that's palatable to western viewers, instead babbled-on about history and how Ukrainians were actually Russians brainwashed by the west to fight against their slavic brothers, and so-on and so-forth. The fact that he decided to cite that as the reason for the war shows that either he believes it himself, or that he's using it to gain support from a public that predominantly buys into it; that is, the Russian public.

  57. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Probably the first thing to get critically low will be barrels for artillery. They've taken a large amount of towed artillery out of storage, to be used directly or for replacements.
    They can go a bit longer with stuff from the norks, but artillery will get more difficult.
    They will never truly run out of anything, just become more constrained in their use.

  58. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just want to say, the quality of posting on /k/ is exceptional. This board is where the bigbrains live.

  59. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >running out of money to the extent that their economy will collapse if the prices go any lower
    >literally this week they suspended oil trading for 6 months to preserve a high price
    >THIS
    >WEEK

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Energy exports is Russia’s primary source of cash. After losing the European market it’s CRUCIAL to them that prices stay high as long as possible. The Saudis have helped, but it’s still not enough so they feel compelled to do this. Prices in Europe have actually gone down — because demand has collapsed mainly thanks to European industry (ie Germany) getting wiped out from lack of gas. No one here gives the slightest shit about German industry so to you these things are just irrelevant but still there is a reason for everything.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        German industry has not been 'wiped out' and the EU and Germany just changed suppliers. There has been a hit to Germany because Germany in particular was the leading European investor and trade partner with Russia but if you think Germany or the EU has been 'wiped out' you must live on Russian state TV induced delusions

        • 2 months ago
          sage

          why feed him replies? That shit he just smeared onto the thread directly contradicts his previous assertion that "nobody can compete with russia on price". At this point he's posting 100% bullshit in the hopes of tricking dimwitted lurkers. Just let the thread die

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            fair, there is no imploding property bubble in China, Ukraine is not a country, The EU is freezing, Russia is banan etc

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Just Google these topics, it’s well-reported on. You just don’t care. In the real world, German industry is uniquely and largely tied to gas, built up over decades consuming cheap gas from the USSR and Russia. And what makes natural gas special is that it has poor fungibility — it must be converted using expensive and specialized infrastructure to transport outside of pipelines. Guess what — NO ONE MAINTAINS EXCESS LNG CAPACITY; everyone who had headroom to spare was maxed out by the end of 2022. Since German households are legally protected for gas access, German industry got SHAFTED. Go Google current gas demand in Germany and read why it’s so low today. Of course it was that very weakness to gas supply that Russia hoped to leverage to pull Germany away from the pro-Ukraine project, and if it was being run by ANYONE else besides the US it probably would have worked. Germany simply ate the hit. What makes that bad isn’t just the companies which don’t have enough gas, it’s how so many of those companies produce precursors / inputs for OTHER companies. Go Google the state of the German economy right now and tell me where it stands, go ahead and learn something I dare you. In fact they’d be even more fricked if it weren’t for two super mild winters in a row. It takes time for LNG terminals to be built around the world, but in that time when business is lost, it’s NOT coming back. Because buyers will simply take their contracts to Asia and not be out of business for years waiting for German suppliers to spin back up.

          Now I’m not going to blame everything on the lack of gas, the economy in general worldwide is tanking, but the gas situation was hurt Europe especially hard on top of everything else.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Surely Germans will vote for pro-monke candidates immediately since their economy is in total disaster and only Russia gas is #1 goodest gas

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            >DEMAND has TANKED
            >German industry got SHAFTED
            Surely, the stock prices of major German companies will reflect that. Let's take a look.

            BMW: up 50% from 2022
            Daimler: up 30% from 2022
            Siemens: up 50% from 2022
            Infineon: up 15% from 2022
            Continental: stable since 2022
            Rheinmetall: up 400% since 2022 lmao

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            this.

            some companies have moved their gas reliant production offshore (china, usa - basf), that will heavily impact their economy with time, especially since a lot of it is production based.
            We haven't been reading articles about the deindustrialization of germany before the war.
            https://www.politico.eu/article/rust-belt-on-the-rhine-the-deindustrialization-of-germany/

            there are also growing voices in germany that they should just repair the NS themselves and resume deliveries of russian gas. i imagine though that they will cuck to the political will of the usa and just use their (4x more expensive) LNG, at least for the forseable future.
            https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nord-stream-owners-discussing-sealing-emptying-pipeline-eon-cfo-2023-03-15/
            https://tass.com/economy/1562249

            also if germany goes, practically the entire europe goes along with it. merikans have their chinese for producing stuff and they don't give a shit.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              (Me again, continued)
              also https://gmk.center/en/news/vallourec-is-winding-down-pipe-production-in-germany/
              https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/arcelormittal-shut-blast-furnace-german-plant-gas-prices-soar-2022-09-02/
              https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news-and-insights/latest-market-news/2355074-german-steel-market-readies-for-gas-shortage
              also uk didn't have a lot of energy crises before the war: https://www.nea.org.uk/energy-crisis/energy-crisis-timeline/

              europe is at least in part subsidizing the electricity and gas for retail consumers and also some companies. that also can't last.
              https://www.politico.eu/article/cheap-us-gas-cost-fortune-europe-russia-ukraine-energy/

              also africa and middle east can't replace russia, germany simply needs that amount of gas. it's also a lot closer and pipelines are well established.
              or at least they were, since some of them run via ukraine which doesn't want to participate in trilateral deals with russia and won't allow gas transit via their territory. NS explosion investigation was also suspicious, especially from poland, which doesn't want to share results (either they did it or the ukrainians).
              https://www.statista.com/statistics/1326405/natural-gas-consumption-germany/

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >also if germany goes, practically the entire europe goes along with it.
              LMAO, little Hans has been living under a rock for the last 20 years.

  60. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So many deleted post, but ukraine shill troll post, spam and off topic never get deleted.

  61. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You know this would sound better if it wasn't there is a /chug/ thread at the other board where your buddies are gloating over killed ukrainians and how their cities have been subjected to indiscriminate ballistic attacks
    >But the West does it...
    Ah no, here is the thing, for you to be a desirable option YOU NEED to do better than the west, YOU NEED to offer something better than the west other than just lynching homosexuals while still having all sort of degenerate behaviors and inequality, you don't switch AIDS for cancer, and russians have an ugly tendency to metastasize.

  62. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    My dear friend, let me tell you the story of this country called Iran...

  63. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The price of gas is bellow April 2021 prices Pidor
    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

  64. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They won’t run of anything as long as their factories dont get hit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They won’t run of anything as long as their factories dont get hit
      They don't made tanks or APCs, they 'renovate' from their reserves, of which the best and most easily restored is gone

  65. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The west's political will to contribute to this conflict. America's out in January 2025 and after that you're left with the eastern euros and bongs.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can't wait for the meltdown when trump wins and increases aid

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Considering his voter base sees Putin as a brave defender against globohomosexual demonrats I wouldn't bet on it.

  66. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yes China’s growth isn’t astronomical anymore, just very healthy. Remember when everyone thought Japan would die? As it turns out this matters much less than thought in reality because Japan is still the most indebted industrialized nation on the planet and they still have died. Also unlike Japan the mainstay of the Chinese economy is government-controlled so they have leeway to manage the issue that other countries don’t.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Japan's on the clock too. They're going to face a colossal demographic crisis that will wipe everything else out if birth-rates don't recover.

  67. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It's not a ban on LNG exports, it's a temporary hold on new LNG terminal licenses. The terminals already operating are free to export whatever, and the terminals that have already been approved for construction will be built
    And it's probably just a dumb election maneuver that will be lifted once the election is over. Nothing is changing

  68. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Doesn't really matter. Sucks to be you especially when they take you away from computer brigade and out you into a mulch battalion 🙂

  69. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Hundreds of thousands of death could've been prevented if your grandpappy had just surrendered to the Germans back in 1941, vatnik, instead of foolishly fighting back.

  70. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russians claimed they put the D-1 back in service the other day. That's an artillery piece from 1943. So I'm guessing it's arty that goes first.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >So I'm guessing it's arty that goes first.
      Total arty death from last summer must have had good results

  71. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Or can Russia still win this somehow?
    Of course, they have a vast amount of manpower they're seemingly willingly to happily sacrifice for the smallest gains. Putin cant back down anyway without looking weak.

  72. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My wild-ass guess is sudden internal collapse of russia. Before that happens the conflict will go to lower intensity. Right now the ziggers are trying to exploit a gap in ukie support at a very heavy cost to themselves and ukies are about to receive modern fighters so it may seem like big changes are bound to happen, but, nah. This shit is larger than that, the stalemate will hold.

    Russia lost this 3-day SMO 2 years ago.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia lost this 3-day SMO 2 years ago.
      This is the harsh truth ziggies don't want to accept. A war of aggression is lost the moment your enemy can push you back from winning. Victory for a defender is survival, and survival is what Ukraine did. Russia might've won a land bridge that the Ukes will keep bombing as they use it. The moment the bumrush to Kyiv failed, the war was lost.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This
        The goal of SMO was to install a puppet regime in Ukraine, not take a bunch of no-name towns barely behind the border
        Vatniks can cope as much as they want but that is the truth, the invasion was lost when Russians failed to take Kyiv

  73. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >only invaded after 8 years of the Ukraine sabotaging the deal and shelling civilians in Donbass
    That would be the Donbass that was part of Ukraine and was having an uprising spurned on by little green men right? No other country would accept that shit, why should Ukraine?

  74. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Probably depends on what we mean as a win. I don't see them getting a total victory at this point.

  75. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Considering that Ukies now spam 100k drones per fricking month, and increasing, I don't see how Puccia won't get it's ass stretched as wide as the horizon.

    Afghanistan will look like a creamy, silky smooth, pipe dream picknick. That was a war against goat fricking, illiterate towelheads with rusty AKs and RPGs, and the occasional tin can. This is a war against their near-peer adversary, right on their own, VERY porous boarder. And said adversary has ever increasing support from the rest of the world.

    Avdiivka cost picrel over 5 months. It's a "megapolis" of a whooping 30k prewar population. There's plenty more of Avdiivkas to go. Herr Monke is already taking out loans from Xinnie, and sending in t55s without even contact armor or even grills and cope cages.

    While the war is far from over, and Ukies aren't exactly having a giggle right now, what the frick can Puccia really do? Does Monke think Ukies will look at one more exploded apartment building with dead women and children inside and finally surrender Kyiv? Bring out the t34s? Sell Siberia to Xinnie? Invade the Suvalki gap and get NATO actually involved? Pontoon straight to Odesa? Blow up more hospitals. Go full moron and use a tactical nuke? I don't see them making any decision that won't end up either very badly, or ends up a complete disaster.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they would have tac nuked already if it didn't trigger article 5

  76. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >UA frontline is crumbling
    Taking a village every 6 months (Usually about half the size or less than the one 6 months prior) is not the frontline crumbling.
    Lim x -> 0

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Yes but Russia is not in a better state you stupid vatnik. When you piss away 50k men for a pile of rubble you have cost yourself more than you cost your opponent.
      >UA frontline is crumbling
      May we see it?

      Since Avdiivka it's been more than one village. And now UA have noticed that their defense lines suck and are scurrying around to improve them. Apparently they never bothered to build good quality defense because Zaluzhny was sure the counteroffensive last year would succeed. That's a fail.
      Most likely they'll stop RU again before they lose too much.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Since Avdiivka it's been more than one village
        Fun fact here. The villages this anon is refering to as a "crumbling of the ukrainian front line" which were captured like a week after avdiivka were:
        >Lastochyne
        Population 617 in 2001 (now probably a fraction of that)
        >Sieverne
        Population 40 in 2018 (again, now it's probably even less than that).
        This is what goes for a "crumbling of the Ukrainian lines" nowadays?
        A fricking intersection with 4 or 5 roads and maybe 10 houses?
        Fricking grim

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          How do you imagine the frontline crumbling? All of it going poof at once? It's over 1200 km long.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            A series of increasingly large cities being captured with a shorter and shorter timeframe between each of them.
            Not the "grand victories" shrinking in size each time and getting further apart

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You mean like they currently are?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sure you have proof of this grand advance. Because Russia is losing 1000 men a day to try and take hamlets while the Ukrainians just recently expanded the krinky bridgehead

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Like where?
                When?
                Give me some dates and captured cities/towns during the last year or so.
                Being vague and le cryptic just makes you look like a moronic homosexual, you know?

                Sorry, i thought we were talking about russian lines collapsing. The celebration of taking a waste heap and bakhmut after what... 2 years? Yeah thats some sparse manufactured victories over some pretty petty targets.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Like where?
                When?
                Give me some dates and captured cities/towns during the last year or so.
                Being vague and le cryptic just makes you look like a moronic homosexual, you know?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They haven't captured any large cities in two years.Avdiivka is a small town that had around 30k people living in it before the war.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >A series of increasingly large cities being captured with a shorter and shorter timeframe between each of them.
              So basically all of 1200 km going poof at once. That's a fantasy scenario and you know it.

              [...]
              >Winning (in this case at least) means being in a better state than your opponent.
              You were in an (arguably) better state than your opponent before the war even began. Why the frick did you waste 2 years, hundreds of thousands of lives, thousands of vehicles and aircraft and who knows how much money to only end up in the exact same state as you were?

              >And UA frontline is finally crumbling as we speak.
              Ah, yes - the frontline will surely crumble in 2 more weeks, but for now the stupid hohols are sending their last reserves to stop brave mobiks from moving any faster than 200m a day.

              Not a katsap but the point has always been destroying Ukraine for the glory of Putin. A wrecked Russia will still be better than a non-existent Ukraine.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >So basically all of 1200 km going poof at once. That's a fantasy scenario and you know it.
                That’s not what I, or anyone in the thread, said at all and you know it. I literally described word for word what a crumbling frontline would look like; an exponential increase in captured territory. Do you just not understand how that word is used? It’d be like saying the stock market is in free fall because it fell 0.x%.
                You’re almost coherent enough to where you can make an argument but fall short and only argue against yourself. You’re able to recognize that the front like is absolutely massive and you’re (presumably) able to recognize how minuscule the gains have been (see the two mentioned villages). So how do you get “crumbling frontline” from that?
                The logical conclusion would be the opposite, that it’s a slow slog for both sides.
                It’s just mindboggling the level of mental gymnastics

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It’s just mindboggling the level of mental gymnastics

                it's the same for all kind of idiots, russians, communists, arabs, trumpers etc

  77. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yes but Russia is not in a better state you stupid vatnik. When you piss away 50k men for a pile of rubble you have cost yourself more than you cost your opponent.
    >UA frontline is crumbling
    May we see it?

  78. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    looks like Russia just ran out of tanks and armored vehicles

    [...]

  79. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    should be a BMP, the people driving those things are crazy suicidal.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      meanwhile they use golf carts

  80. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Winning (in this case at least) means being in a better state than your opponent.
    You were in an (arguably) better state than your opponent before the war even began. Why the frick did you waste 2 years, hundreds of thousands of lives, thousands of vehicles and aircraft and who knows how much money to only end up in the exact same state as you were?

    >And UA frontline is finally crumbling as we speak.
    Ah, yes - the frontline will surely crumble in 2 more weeks, but for now the stupid hohols are sending their last reserves to stop brave mobiks from moving any faster than 200m a day.

  81. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically, Ukrainian lives and Western funding.

    That is why Russia will win. Not because Russia's army is superior, it's barely even regional power tier outside of nukes. It's because nobody in the west gives a frick outside of war autists.

  82. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >will
    Already happened.

    >Tanks
    They've still got those T-34 on monuments like Solovyov reminded us, right? This'll take a while.

    >Artillery
    Apparently they're already effectively completely out of some systems (including ones in storage, see pic rel). Many more that are still technically available in some quantities in storage are either completely useless or already cannibalized for parts, particularly barrels. Furthermore, according to OSINT calculations R*ssian units now have *fewer* artillery pieces per capita than they did at the start of the war. And this is probably the category that they can least afford to preserve. Tanks you can mostly have sit back if you don't do these moronic frontal assaults of theirs. Artillery you're kind forced to use if the enemies does.

    >Ships
    Well, they're down to something like half so maybe that. But this is probably the category that they can most easily do without so they might just park them all somewhere and double their defensive efforts. Might not make a difference though.

    >Orcs
    This will be the last thing to run out (it won't). R*ssoids are gluttons for humiliation and debasement. They'll URAAAAA charge Ukies with Mosins and shovels with enough prodding from behind by the goat frickers. I mean they already did. Perhaps in time they'll even try to switch tactics and flood them with attackers that immediately surrender, tying up so many resources in the rear for guard duty, feeding and housing them that Ukraine will be unable to support its own population. Let's call it the locust strategy.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      *kind of

      As for aircraft, they still have plenty of those left (at least certain categories). Pilots might be another issue though.

  83. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Realistically, Russia can keep throwing bodies at the problem and still win at their current rate. They've barely killed off 0.1% of their population. I'm not sure what their "fighting age" male demographics are, but it's gotta be at least 10%. Even if they double their rate of losses, we're looking at 20 more years of this before they're in a losing position. Yes, they absolutely would do this and consider it a win.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia has infinite materiel
      There is a point where meat only does so much. If you're out of steel before you're out of men, your men will be turned into mulch by the other guy's steel.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Like the other anon said, meat only matters in so far as it's supported by metal, and that's what Russia's going to have problems with. While they had a farily large stockpile of tanks, artillery, and so-on at the start of the war, they burned through a lot of that fairly quickly, and they're having problems with industrial bottlenecks preventing them from repairing much of the dilapidated material so that they can be deployed on the field. If the Russians continue with the zerg-rush tactics, it's pretty likely that they'll burn through the rest of the material they have actively employed, meaning they'll be forced to rely on that tiny trickle coming out of their factories. Provided that the Ukies have managed to maintain their own stocks, it's likely that Russian soldiers will die at a much higher rate than they already have been throughout this war when this happens, at which point the war will end in a Ukie victory. The name of the game at this point is to destroy the enemies capability to protect and support it's meat rather than focusing on the meat itself.

  84. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    even Pyrrhos was smart enough to see "winning" at such a high cost is not worth it

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Russians are so shortsighted that they have a term, Smekalka, which translates to making do which often is mismanaging resources to solve a problem.

  85. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A very important reminder that Russians dont give a frick that they are losing resources at a higher rate than Ukraine, the major difference is some of that can be replenished.

    Ukraine cannot, they are currently right now short on equipment and men, partially due to American and European support put on hold

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I would also like to rant on how unusually complecent /k/‘s attitude is towards this war, still thinking were still in late 2022 and that a ukranian victory is inevitable, despite the current situation on the ground being far more dire in reality, Russia is no longer that same incompetent army at the start of the war who overestimated their ability to take kyiv in 3 days, no, this Russian Army is aware that attrition is their best bet for a win and will commit to for the next few years.

      Sticking your head in the sand and acting like everything is fine and dandy is not how Ukraine will push out the invaders.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia is no longer that same incompetent army at the start of the war
        The point of attritional warfare is to be winning the attritional exchange, the Russians are fricking gutting themselves on hamlets without seriously degrading the ukrops ability to resist.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And?, Ukraine isnt exactly flush with equipment and manpower, why do you think they have been begging Washington to stop jerking around for the past year?

          I already mentioned earlier that the difference is Russia can accept higher losses than Ukraine

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia can accept higher losses than Ukraine
            Only to a point. A long war doesn't work in Russia's favor either with the rate of men and material they're burning through with their constant frontal offensives. And it's not like they're even gaining that much ground to justify all the blood and oil they're bleeding. Russia is NOT the Soviet Union, just a rump successor state squatting in the basement and living off of its leftovers.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              ehhh if Russia gets to the point more people are dying/being crippled in the war per year than the number of men being born then it'll become a problem somewhat quickly. As it stands casualties are roughly half of male births over the last 2 years.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia's birth rate is still well below replacement rate and they still haven't recovered from the demographic collapse they suffered in the '90s. Also, births doesn't really matter for much when the war is happening NOW and the ratio of young fighting age men in Russia is the lowest it's ever been.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia is fielding T-54s and armored golf carts mate… the situation is not even a tenth as dire as you and other doomposter/demoooralizers make it out to be. Ukraine is in ZERO danger of falling, and will never reach an insurgency phase like in the Afghan-Soviet conflict. Russia is stuck in a forever war while their economy dwindles to nothing, their material reserves dwindle to nothing, and their population stagnates. Ukraine is winning the attritional war, has funding from every European NATO ally, and has funding from the USA through the NDAA until 2026… they are getting F-16s in the summer and it’s very likely that the IS will have passed EVEN MORE FUNDING by then. Ukrainian victory has continued to be inevitable, the only real change is that the collapse of the Russian state has gone from possible, to probable (60% chance)

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Birth rate is nice, but what about all the fighting age vatniks who have fled the country? Is Russia going to send child soldiers and elderly to fight for the next decade while the newborns grow up? Is Russia going to regain access to European energy markets in the next couple years? If no, then the economy is going to tank even worse than it is with all the mobilized dying on the front, instead of dying in industrial accidents (lol). Plus the population of Russia is only 5.5 times larger than Ukraine. At the current attrition rates they are losing 4 times as many men when on the defensive and 9 times as many men when on the offense… idk what that averages out to, but it’s probably worse for Russia in terms of attrition, and that’s not even counting the fact that Ukraine has a higher survival rate for WIA.

                >xaxaxaxa we have more people and can make more
                Cool, hows them economic prospects? A nation can commit suicide more ways then hemmoraging the male populace, many times more of which have fled rather than die.

                By the way:

                It appears support for Putin isn't as strong as we were lead to believe, unless some vatnik here wants me to believe CIA and MI6 has that MANY assets within Moscow:

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Its thousands, but not millions
                Sadly the russians are so cucked that even with this opposition they'll never fight for the change said opposition wants
                They'd rather let Putin run their country to the ground than grow a spine and make actual change

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Birth rate is nice, but what about all the fighting age vatniks who have fled the country? Is Russia going to send child soldiers and elderly to fight for the next decade while the newborns grow up? Is Russia going to regain access to European energy markets in the next couple years? If no, then the economy is going to tank even worse than it is with all the mobilized dying on the front, instead of dying in industrial accidents (lol). Plus the population of Russia is only 5.5 times larger than Ukraine. At the current attrition rates they are losing 4 times as many men when on the defensive and 9 times as many men when on the offense… idk what that averages out to, but it’s probably worse for Russia in terms of attrition, and that’s not even counting the fact that Ukraine has a higher survival rate for WIA.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the population of Russia is only 5.5 times larger than Ukraine
                The pre-war populations were ~44 million Ukrainians and ~142 million vatniks. There has been some evidence to suggest that the 142 million number was misrepresented by moscow and may have been as low as 120 million. Also, about 4 million of the population included for orcistan in 2022 were in Crimea in 2014 and were part of the Ukraine demographic at that time. A huge percentage of them considered themselves vatniks, but they were Ukrainian citizens.

                Using those numbers, 44 into 142 makes the multiplier about 3.23. If we use 44 into 120 (just for argument & comparison), the multiplier is about 2.73.

                You can argue the numbers around all you want. For example, you can claim the current population in Ukraine is 36 million and the other 8 million are refugees around the world, especially in Europe ... but, they are still Ukrainian citizens. A huge majority of them are women, children, and the elderly & other vulnerable people escaping the war. While there are some men, it's maybe a million fighting age out of 8 million who don't want to fight (some of them are vatniks using their Ukrainian citizenship to hide and get free benefits).

                Point being, if you go that route, then you have to account for about 10 million vatniks who have fled, something like at least half (5 million or so) are fighting age men escaping conscription. Call it 36 into 132 for a multiplier of 3.67.

                tl;dr, a multiplier of 5.5 mil is bullshit and you should stop repeating that lie. No math even comes close to that, and orcistan has lost a much larger percentage of fighting age men than Ukraine. The "endless meatwave" is a fiction, which becomes a fantasy when you consider that moscow & st pidorburg will revolt if any of those cowards get conscripted.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, then Russia is really fricked. They are losing 6 times as many men and 5 times as much material, while fighting a country that’s a third of their size. Time is not on the vatnigs side

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                CIA estimates Russia has lost about 120k, and Ukraine about 80k.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                CIA estimates are about 1/4th of this

                I wonder who's so insistent pushing this narrative...

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >xaxaxaxa we have more people and can make more
                Cool, hows them economic prospects? A nation can commit suicide more ways then hemmoraging the male populace, many times more of which have fled rather than die.

  86. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’m betting on ships in the Black Sea fleet. It seems like the safest bet, given Ukraine’s current full scale lynching of the Russian navy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mmm, maybe. On the one hand, there's almost certainly a point where the Russians will just wall their ships into port and hope to wait things out. On the other hand, the Ukrainians will just switch from seadrones to Storm Shadow/SCALP, and the Russians are absolutely dumb enough to push everything to the line until there is literally nothing left afloat.

  87. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    CIA estimates are about 1/4th of this

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      CIA estimates Russia has lost about 120k, and Ukraine about 80k.

      >Source: my ass

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >315k (as of December 2023) is 1/4 of 416k (as of March 2024)
      Ok moron. That’s not even mentioning the declassified report is probably based on older early 2023 intel, so by the time news media got its hand on it it was probably a lot higher. Ukrainian numbers are maybe 4-8% higher than reality at worst

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >that one reported declassified report everyone keeps talking about

        Yeah sure. And I'm sure only 31,000 Ukrainians have died.

        Shit that puts Russia at less than 10,000 soldiers left !

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >every news article points out that Ukraine’s own casualty figures are likely underreported
          >pedantic homosexual pretends that this is some big “gotcha” moment
          Only thing funnier is the fact that you think people will memoryhole the existence of Wagner, DPR/LPR volkstrum, and the infamous partial mobilization.
          >nooo plz no bully poor little Russia only have 300k troops total we are so smiling and harmless ohhhh
          And it’s beautiful that you knew your baseless claim of “muh CIA sekret 120k report” would get BTFO immediately by the actual intelligence report of 315k

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Here you go, moron-kun~
          https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/cia-spycraft-and-statecraft-william-burns

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            You've been asked to provide sauce on this bullshit for weeks in about a hundred threads. Not once have you done so.

            Frick off, Black person.

            JUST TWO MORE WEEKS GUYS!

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Holy frick the seethe. Keep malding friend ;^)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        >Source: my ass

        [...]
        I wonder who's so insistent pushing this narrative...

        Jewpedia is about right one with anon's claim

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      CIA estimates Russia has lost about 120k, and Ukraine about 80k.

      Source: I made it the frick up, and I take wiener in every hole
      t. Rasheed

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >315k (as of December 2023) is 1/4 of 416k (as of March 2024)
        Ok moron. That’s not even mentioning the declassified report is probably based on older early 2023 intel, so by the time news media got its hand on it it was probably a lot higher. Ukrainian numbers are maybe 4-8% higher than reality at worst

        [...]
        >Source: my ass

        [...]
        I wonder who's so insistent pushing this narrative...

        Keep upvoting and calling him Putler! WE DID IT REDDIT!

        Take an honest assessment - Russia is getting their shit pushed in, but they haven't lost half a million soldiers

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Correct, they’ve only lost around 350k

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            So they haven't lost a single soldier since August of last year, according to your vaulted bullshit 'leaked' document?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      CIA estimates Russia has lost about 120k, and Ukraine about 80k.

      You've been asked to provide sauce on this bullshit for weeks in about a hundred threads. Not once have you done so.

      Frick off, Black person.

  88. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yeah, it sucks that the overall defense of Europe is going down (NATO spending is up like 40%, NATO just got two new members, and the largest threat to European soil is being crucified in real time by the second poorest country in Europe)

  89. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You mean the overall defense of Russia is going down
    daily reminder that China could just as easily invade Russian Siberia because they've outstretched themselves, and China would be able to take it cause logistics between Moscow to the east end of Siberia is fricked

  90. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    1. European defenses have never been higher due to this war. More countries are joining nato and revving-up their MIC's. The Baltic nations are literally constructing a defensive line of bunkers in case of Russian invasion.
    2. Why would China care either which way? America is the great, satanic, capitalist pig-dog. Europe to them doesn't really matter all that much.

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