Costs more than an F-35A. Worse in most ways. Ugly. And for customers that the U.S won't sell to, there's always the Rafale which is still better than the Eurofighter.
>Rafale which is still better than the Eurofighter.
It's not exceedingly better, but it has a singular advantage over it: it's navalized. So a country like "superpooer by 2040" can buy Rafales to replace their shit SeaMiGs, but can't do the same with Typhoons.
Honestly, krauts sperging over having to pay for naval capability was the worst thing that could've happened to the EF project.
Well Germans are huge pussies and they probably will block the sale if they think you are not carbon neutral enough or whatever. Additionally, the Rafale has seen a ton of combat deployment while the EF is an airshow queen
>It's not exceedingly better,
in everything but pure bomb load its worse, it has poorer aerodymanic performance, worse weapons selection lower speed and supercruise, lower ceiling loer thrust weight ratio.
rafale has better marketing and an absence of germans.
Probably because the people building them tied their egos up in the project. It’s a shame that this happens but it’s actually pretty common. The market has certainly rejected it as of late
Saudi arabia doesn’t want the euro fighter. To allow certain producers of typhoons to save face they asked Germany to tie up the process. It’s called politics and this is well known. Lurk moar
Sorry you’re new to this type of thing. Lurk moar. There is a reason Rafael is consistently outselling the eurofarter, and the reason is that the raf is just better
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Rafael
am I supposed to take seriously somebody who doesn't even know the name of the plane he's having edgy opinion about? lmao
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Rafael
Opinion discarded.
>Minor spelling mistake, I win!
nta but have a nice day
1 month ago
Anonymous
that's not a spelling mistake, that's you clearly not being entirely up to speed on machines you're trying to talk about
Costs more than an F-35 and if the US won't sell to you the British/Germans probably won't either. That just leaves the Rafale because frogs give zero fucks how many journalists your dictator executes.
>independent
That's an interesting way to spell fuck over the west when it suits you because you're still mad at not even being a leader in europe anymore.
Obviously. This is another one of those warrior bad threads. Anytime an objectively bad British weapon is posted just know that it was posted because it’s indefensible and somebody wants to “own the bongs”
Is that why no one is buying the euro fighter anymore? He’ll just look at this thread we are posting in. The raf doesn’t get shit on by anybody but the eurofighter is always being shit on.
>EF built 589 >Rafale built 239
Turdies use the Rafale. >Britboi >RAF
Im Estonian, its funny you mention the Brits tho there new Typhoon is the peak performance one. It has arguably the best Radar available for a jet today.
Its easy to see why you would feel threatened by the Eurofighter.
Yeah mogged by both f-15, raf, and f-35. Lurk moar copelord
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Doesnt understand radars >Doesnt know what radar is from what plane >Changes subject to F15s to try cover his total lack of knowledge
Talk a walk fatty
1 month ago
Anonymous
>responds with complete nonsense after being BTFO
kek sorry it didn’t work out for you
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Brings up radars >Gets btfod >n-no u
Are you walking yet fatty?
1 month ago
Anonymous
The radar inside of the typhoon was proven to be pretty bad
1 month ago
Anonymous
This anon is a fat liar thats dog is also fat, he simps for jake paul and inhales shit while browsing male undwear models on twitter. Hes also obsessed with the British after he was raped inside a Warrior by a tube called Rarden.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Schizophrenic posting
1 month ago
Anonymous
>spends every minute of the day thinking about the British
Seek help fatman/dog
Accprding to the general swathe of unreferenced shit on the internet i can find, the eurofighter and rafale are within 1 degree when it comes to sustained turn rates, have the same instantaneous turn rates, similar top speeds, rate of climb, and payload. They carry the same missiles. The Rafale can supercruise, the Eurofighter has a better radar. The rafale can hit 10 degrees higher AoA. The eurofighter can hit 65,000 feet, the rafale can hit 50,000 feet. The rafale is a bit cheaper.
Both are basically 4th gen fighters (or 4++ or whatever you wanna call it).
Looks like the Rafale is a bit cheaper. The reasons behind one being cjosen over the other will have more to do with politics, IP, and cost. They're not meaningfully that different though I'd pick the EF for its new radat
>Accprding to the general swathe of unreferenced shit on the internet i can find,
oh boy here we go >the eurofighter and rafale are within 1 degree when it comes to sustained turn rates,
lmao no >have the same instantaneous turn rates,
no, the Rafale pulls much more G. >similar top speeds,
no, it's a mess, both certified top speed are mach 1.6, but Rafale is validated for mach 1.8 while the EF claims mach 2.0 in emergencies. Except you can't do that for too long or the plane would melt. >rate of climb,
no, EF climbs 4% faster >and payload.
topkek no the EF is limited at 21 tonnes MTOW the Rafale is limited at 24.5 MTOW. >They carry the same missiles.
wtf? no, except the Meteor and the Scalp. >The Rafale can supercruise,
not significantly from what several Rafale pilots told me. >the Eurofighter has a better radar.
no. The Rafale has had an AESA since 2010, operational in 2012. The Eurofighter has a similar fixed AESA operational since 2020 for export customers, namely Qatar and Koweit, but the ECRS mk1 and mk2 aren't operational in Europe yet. >The rafale can hit 10 degrees higher AoA.
unsure >The eurofighter can hit 65,000 feet,
lol no, not even with a pressurized suit for the pilot which it doesn't got the accommodations for in the first place anyway >the rafale can hit 50,000 feet.
yes but barely >The rafale is a bit cheaper.
depends what you talk about. Fly away or maintenance? Maintenance is much cheaper, fly away cost at the latest standard, not much difference >Both are basically 4th gen fighters (or 4++ or whatever you wanna call it).
irrelevant >Looks like the Rafale is a bit cheaper.
you already said that. It depends. >The reasons behind one being cjosen over the other will have more to do with politics,
what you call politics I call german retardation >IP,
yes >and cost.
probably >They're not meaningfully that different though I'd pick the EF for its new radat
big mistake
my friend they are both rated for 9G. Human beings are only rated for 9G.
From reading more stuff on the internet it looks like the Rafale is a better fighter in a merge and at low altitude, and is also more graceful when dragging large multirole payloads. The EF is better at high altitude/high speed. So I guess on balance you may as well buy the Rafale as it's going to serve as a better workhorse bomb truck. The EF shits on it at high altitude so if you're desperate for an interceptor the EF is better, and that's (I guess) why it doesn't sell, because most nations aren't in need of that as a core feature.
If you had to pick a very well conceived multi role jet with perfectly OK performance in anti air, or a high speed/altitude interceptor with an OK air to ground capability, you'd pick the Rafale. Especially as you're going to be fighting against slavshit. You'll be lobbing meteors at long range in either case so may as well get the one can can carry more ordinance
1 month ago
Anonymous
>So I guess on balance you may as well buy the Rafale as it's going to serve as a better workhorse bomb truck
EF or at least RAF version has better weapons selection though, more effective weapons mitigating the rafales slightly higher bombload
1 month ago
Anonymous
>my friend they are both rated for 9G. Human beings are only rated for 9G.
My friend watch this webm please.
1 month ago
Anonymous
if I got a dollar for every pixel in that webm I could buy DCS too, and make same videos
ok lets play this game >tranche 1
337 aircrafts >tranch 2
less than 60 >tranch 3
192 of which modernized tranch 2s are 100 so new ones are just 92
tranche 1 cannot be upgraded to tranche 3 so they are basicly obsolete so its basicly 252
hell they do not even consider it as a multirole till tranche 2 block 3
meanwhile rafale modularity will continue up to F6 version
Is that why no one is buying the euro fighter anymore? He’ll just look at this thread we are posting in. The raf doesn’t get shit on by anybody but the eurofighter is always being shit on.
>I like the look of this particular airplane so I'll shill for it endlessly while shitting on every competing airframe because they don't look cool enough
that's the level of this board nowadays, sadly
Have to compete with the 5th gen F-35, now nato's flagship, the much cheaper Gripen and the Rafale which managed to sell itself as a way more efficient bomb truck than the Eurofigther.
It's a great platform, very capable for its generation and a good choice for countries that can't into 5th gen. Too bad morals keep away potential sellers since at least one of the contributing nations always blocks sales due to security or humanitarian concerns.
Richer nations obviously rather look into their own 5th or 6th gen projects.
Lol he deleted the QE thread and made a new one
Both fighters are a bit obsolete now don't we think? Whats the difference in capability between the two?
Accprding to the general swathe of unreferenced shit on the internet i can find, the eurofighter and rafale are within 1 degree when it comes to sustained turn rates, have the same instantaneous turn rates, similar top speeds, rate of climb, and payload. They carry the same missiles. The Rafale can supercruise, the Eurofighter has a better radar. The rafale can hit 10 degrees higher AoA. The eurofighter can hit 65,000 feet, the rafale can hit 50,000 feet. The rafale is a bit cheaper.
Both are basically 4th gen fighters (or 4++ or whatever you wanna call it).
Looks like the Rafale is a bit cheaper. The reasons behind one being cjosen over the other will have more to do with politics, IP, and cost. They're not meaningfully that different though I'd pick the EF for its new radat
The Eurofighter is generally regarded as the better air superiority fighter due to high altitude performance, but Rafale has better multirole integration.
I remember some interview with a french pilot which says something to the effec tof 'below 10,000ft we will win', which I felt was quite telling
Look up the AMK kit for the Typhoon. Turn rates and AoA are now up to 43% better than normal typhoons but afaik it’s a German only thing so there are maybe 10 Typhoons max with it.
It's too old.
All of Europe should invest in 5th/6th gen research so we can get something to show
also so there can be more 5th+ gens in video games that aren't russian vaporware
Costs more than an F-35A. Worse in most ways. Ugly. And for customers that the U.S won't sell to, there's always the Rafale which is still better than the Eurofighter.
>Rafale which is still better than the Eurofighter.
It's not exceedingly better, but it has a singular advantage over it: it's navalized. So a country like "superpooer by 2040" can buy Rafales to replace their shit SeaMiGs, but can't do the same with Typhoons.
Honestly, krauts sperging over having to pay for naval capability was the worst thing that could've happened to the EF project.
Well Germans are huge pussies and they probably will block the sale if they think you are not carbon neutral enough or whatever. Additionally, the Rafale has seen a ton of combat deployment while the EF is an airshow queen
>It's not exceedingly better,
in everything but pure bomb load its worse, it has poorer aerodymanic performance, worse weapons selection lower speed and supercruise, lower ceiling loer thrust weight ratio.
rafale has better marketing and an absence of germans.
what exactly differentiates a normal rafale/f35 with the naval version?
Mostly a stronger landing gear
>beefier landing gear
>strengthened frame
>improved tailhook
>launch bar
>F-35C has bigger wings to carry more fuel and get extra range
>Costs more than an F-35A.
Nope F35 costs more to buy, more to keep and more to use.
>https://www.pogo.org/analysis/selective-arithmetic-to-hide-the-f-35s-true-costs
Sorry after the pogo.org scandal last year it isn’t acceptable as a source. Sorry it didn’t work out like you’d hoped
>Ugly
Wrong
Many do, but Germany are cucks so block sales.
It’s dead as a platform. Anyone wanting last gen fighters would be better served buying Rafaels or new production f-15s
If it's dead then why are they still being built and new versions are coming?
Probably because the people building them tied their egos up in the project. It’s a shame that this happens but it’s actually pretty common. The market has certainly rejected it as of late
If the market has rejected it why do Saudi Arabia keep trying to get 70 of them? Rafale was the second choice.
Saudi arabia doesn’t want the euro fighter. To allow certain producers of typhoons to save face they asked Germany to tie up the process. It’s called politics and this is well known. Lurk moar
dumbest thing i've read today
Sorry you’re new to this type of thing. Lurk moar. There is a reason Rafael is consistently outselling the eurofarter, and the reason is that the raf is just better
>Rafael
am I supposed to take seriously somebody who doesn't even know the name of the plane he's having edgy opinion about? lmao
>Minor spelling mistake, I win!
nta but have a nice day
that's not a spelling mistake, that's you clearly not being entirely up to speed on machines you're trying to talk about
>Rafael
Opinion discarded.
Personally I prefer Michelangelo
Sauds buy them because they employ mercenary pilots accustomed with the Typhoon.
Because Yurope is the land of socialist job programs making mud pies.
Because the new hotness is here.
Same reason the challenger 2E flopped. There are better options available on the market. Simple as
>The latest order from Germany secures production of Eurofighter Typhoon until 2030
I think they'll be alright
Costs more than an F-35 and if the US won't sell to you the British/Germans probably won't either. That just leaves the Rafale because frogs give zero fucks how many journalists your dictator executes.
france mostly has an independent foreign policy whil germany and the uk are america's lapdogs
France's "independent foreign policy" is to sell to anyone paying in cash and then blame the US.
>independent
That's an interesting way to spell fuck over the west when it suits you because you're still mad at not even being a leader in europe anymore.
The Rafale is better.
Obviously. This is another one of those warrior bad threads. Anytime an objectively bad British weapon is posted just know that it was posted because it’s indefensible and somebody wants to “own the bongs”
>it’s indefensible
kek warriortard will never not be 100% correct in his assessments
>Looks better
Thats where it ends the Eurofighter is the better jet.
sure thing britboi 😉
>EF built 589
>Rafale built 239
Turdies use the Rafale.
>Britboi
>RAF
Im Estonian, its funny you mention the Brits tho there new Typhoon is the peak performance one. It has arguably the best Radar available for a jet today.
Its easy to see why you would feel threatened by the Eurofighter.
>It has arguably the best Radar available for a jet today
C'mon my dude, F-35s exist
ECRS mk2 > APG81
Become educated before posting.
Yeah mogged by both f-15, raf, and f-35. Lurk moar copelord
>Doesnt understand radars
>Doesnt know what radar is from what plane
>Changes subject to F15s to try cover his total lack of knowledge
Talk a walk fatty
>responds with complete nonsense after being BTFO
kek sorry it didn’t work out for you
>Brings up radars
>Gets btfod
>n-no u
Are you walking yet fatty?
The radar inside of the typhoon was proven to be pretty bad
This anon is a fat liar thats dog is also fat, he simps for jake paul and inhales shit while browsing male undwear models on twitter. Hes also obsessed with the British after he was raped inside a Warrior by a tube called Rarden.
Schizophrenic posting
>spends every minute of the day thinking about the British
Seek help fatman/dog
He did NOT like being called a schizo
I am not convinced, you have no source
>Rafale built 239
Yes, shockingly low build number. Operated almost only by poor nations
topkek bongoloid cope
lmaooooo
>Accprding to the general swathe of unreferenced shit on the internet i can find,
oh boy here we go
>the eurofighter and rafale are within 1 degree when it comes to sustained turn rates,
lmao no
>have the same instantaneous turn rates,
no, the Rafale pulls much more G.
>similar top speeds,
no, it's a mess, both certified top speed are mach 1.6, but Rafale is validated for mach 1.8 while the EF claims mach 2.0 in emergencies. Except you can't do that for too long or the plane would melt.
>rate of climb,
no, EF climbs 4% faster
>and payload.
topkek no the EF is limited at 21 tonnes MTOW the Rafale is limited at 24.5 MTOW.
>They carry the same missiles.
wtf? no, except the Meteor and the Scalp.
>The Rafale can supercruise,
not significantly from what several Rafale pilots told me.
>the Eurofighter has a better radar.
no. The Rafale has had an AESA since 2010, operational in 2012. The Eurofighter has a similar fixed AESA operational since 2020 for export customers, namely Qatar and Koweit, but the ECRS mk1 and mk2 aren't operational in Europe yet.
>The rafale can hit 10 degrees higher AoA.
unsure
>The eurofighter can hit 65,000 feet,
lol no, not even with a pressurized suit for the pilot which it doesn't got the accommodations for in the first place anyway
>the rafale can hit 50,000 feet.
yes but barely
>The rafale is a bit cheaper.
depends what you talk about. Fly away or maintenance? Maintenance is much cheaper, fly away cost at the latest standard, not much difference
>Both are basically 4th gen fighters (or 4++ or whatever you wanna call it).
irrelevant
>Looks like the Rafale is a bit cheaper.
you already said that. It depends.
>The reasons behind one being cjosen over the other will have more to do with politics,
what you call politics I call german retardation
>IP,
yes
>and cost.
probably
>They're not meaningfully that different though I'd pick the EF for its new radat
big mistake
>The ramblings of an Indian
>everyone I hate is a SAAAR
meds
this reply actually added absolutely nothing of value whatsoever
my friend they are both rated for 9G. Human beings are only rated for 9G.
From reading more stuff on the internet it looks like the Rafale is a better fighter in a merge and at low altitude, and is also more graceful when dragging large multirole payloads. The EF is better at high altitude/high speed. So I guess on balance you may as well buy the Rafale as it's going to serve as a better workhorse bomb truck. The EF shits on it at high altitude so if you're desperate for an interceptor the EF is better, and that's (I guess) why it doesn't sell, because most nations aren't in need of that as a core feature.
If you had to pick a very well conceived multi role jet with perfectly OK performance in anti air, or a high speed/altitude interceptor with an OK air to ground capability, you'd pick the Rafale. Especially as you're going to be fighting against slavshit. You'll be lobbing meteors at long range in either case so may as well get the one can can carry more ordinance
>So I guess on balance you may as well buy the Rafale as it's going to serve as a better workhorse bomb truck
EF or at least RAF version has better weapons selection though, more effective weapons mitigating the rafales slightly higher bombload
>my friend they are both rated for 9G. Human beings are only rated for 9G.
My friend watch this webm please.
if I got a dollar for every pixel in that webm I could buy DCS too, and make same videos
level headed reply
ok lets play this game
>tranche 1
337 aircrafts
>tranch 2
less than 60
>tranch 3
192 of which modernized tranch 2s are 100 so new ones are just 92
tranche 1 cannot be upgraded to tranche 3 so they are basicly obsolete so its basicly 252
hell they do not even consider it as a multirole till tranche 2 block 3
meanwhile rafale modularity will continue up to F6 version
Is that why no one is buying the euro fighter anymore? He’ll just look at this thread we are posting in. The raf doesn’t get shit on by anybody but the eurofighter is always being shit on.
Awkward timing
>Eurofighter introduced 2003
>Post cold war eternal bliss and peace 1990-2014
>F-35 introduced 2015
>I like the look of this particular airplane so I'll shill for it endlessly while shitting on every competing airframe because they don't look cool enough
that's the level of this board nowadays, sadly
Have to compete with the 5th gen F-35, now nato's flagship, the much cheaper Gripen and the Rafale which managed to sell itself as a way more efficient bomb truck than the Eurofigther.
>eurosharter
>rafail
It's a great platform, very capable for its generation and a good choice for countries that can't into 5th gen. Too bad morals keep away potential sellers since at least one of the contributing nations always blocks sales due to security or humanitarian concerns.
Richer nations obviously rather look into their own 5th or 6th gen projects.
>armaturd thread
shit-eating quality
>be frog
>see thread
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>be frog
My condolences.
Lol he deleted the QE thread and made a new one
Both fighters are a bit obsolete now don't we think? Whats the difference in capability between the two?
Accprding to the general swathe of unreferenced shit on the internet i can find, the eurofighter and rafale are within 1 degree when it comes to sustained turn rates, have the same instantaneous turn rates, similar top speeds, rate of climb, and payload. They carry the same missiles. The Rafale can supercruise, the Eurofighter has a better radar. The rafale can hit 10 degrees higher AoA. The eurofighter can hit 65,000 feet, the rafale can hit 50,000 feet. The rafale is a bit cheaper.
Both are basically 4th gen fighters (or 4++ or whatever you wanna call it).
Looks like the Rafale is a bit cheaper. The reasons behind one being cjosen over the other will have more to do with politics, IP, and cost. They're not meaningfully that different though I'd pick the EF for its new radat
The Eurofighter is generally regarded as the better air superiority fighter due to high altitude performance, but Rafale has better multirole integration.
I remember some interview with a french pilot which says something to the effec tof 'below 10,000ft we will win', which I felt was quite telling
Look up the AMK kit for the Typhoon. Turn rates and AoA are now up to 43% better than normal typhoons but afaik it’s a German only thing so there are maybe 10 Typhoons max with it.
It's too old.
All of Europe should invest in 5th/6th gen research so we can get something to show
also so there can be more 5th+ gens in video games that aren't russian vaporware
>Expensive
>Will take ages to complete order
>Better alternative (F-35)
>Political pressure (unlike France who will probably sell to anyone without asking questions)
because the Rafale looks cooler
They just stink and I have to clean up with the F-35A.
It came out at the tail end of the 4th generation. It never really had a chance of gaining much in sales no matter how good it is.
Imagine having to ask to the german greens loonies to be able to sell a jet fighter to another country.
Lol.
>what went wrong
you let germany in
Because now the f35 is out, it’s not a bad plane by any means, it’s just not competitively priced enough to be a 5th gen
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