Sorry for starting yet another ukraine thread... But what? There is no way ukranian troops are all the way in there. Is it an assasination? Partisan activity? Russians killing eachother? Random moron firing in the air?
Sorry for starting yet another ukraine thread... But what? There is no way ukranian troops are all the way in there. Is it an assasination? Partisan activity? Russians killing eachother? Random moron firing in the air?
Realistically, no one knows. But it’s no secret that a lot of the Ruskies don’t want to be there.
theyre not at kherson yet so its either partisans or sof
If it's SOF, they're fricked
probably partisans
there seems to be a lot of activity in Kherson and Melitopol recently
Ukraine is unleashing their secret army, cleaning house.
No more traitors.
The Russians should have Melitopol locked down if they value their hides. If Ukraine took it and knocked out the Crimean bridge, all Russian forces in Crimea and the Kherson oblast would be trapped.
Not that I think they've "retaken" it yet, but I think Melitopol is about as locked down as Lyman, judging from all the partisan activity there.
partisans or more likely paranoid russians cleansing an area from "nato supersoldiers"
>more likely paranoid russians cleansing an area from "nato supersoldiers
Probably not just paranoid. They're getting shot at
https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1571211948242489353
>Friendly fire has never been a two way range
>liberate country
>get shot at
Imagine being this bad at liberating a friendly country from foreign agents.
DID SOMEONE SAY SUPERSOLDIERS
probably just the SAS doing some more false flag shit like in bucha, mariupol and izyum.
Yeah right. Nato needs something more to paint Russia like the bad guys. Frick off
>implying Russian forces aren't war crime enthusiasts, specialists in atrocities, torture, and murder.
kys.
Oh shit, SAS is already operating freely in Kherson proper? Somebody should tell the Russians that they'll be cut off if they don't retreat.
>Russians accuse UK of deploying SAS Into Kherson
>UK is like "wtf are you crazy"
>Russians go down list, accuse Australia of deploying SAS
>"...are you fricking spastic?"
>...Canada?
>"eh?"
>must have been partisans then
>meanwhile at NZSAS HQ
And my NLAW!
Let me get this straight.
You think that foreign government agencies are going miles and miles into enemy territory with agents that can speak the language, passing by countless checkpoints, without issue.
They're then there to assassinate civilians but not Russians.
Then when they kill these civilians they do...something with their bodies to make it look like a massacre/mass rape/war crime but also somehow manage to tie the crimes to living Russian soldiers who themselves admit they did shit like the guys from Bucha.
Then the secret agents leave the area somehow or blend into a community that knows every person that lives there.
Then the Ukrainians, who haven't even been close to the areas, take an unknown amount of time to liberate the area potentially taking upwards of months to do it.
Then you're telling me the civilians living in those areas just so happened to be bought off by the foreign agents to lie about what happened in the area, or saw the foreign agent murdering these people and torturing them but never once heard them speak anything but Russian.
Then you're telling me the civvies also left whatever war crimes alone when they started to stink up the area or caused issues with getting around at all.
Then you're also telling me the Russians didn't try to hide any of this evidence when it would look extremely bad on them?
Then you're also telling me the Russians wouldn't find it suspicious that a bunch of bodies magically appeared that they didn't kill/move there?
You're telling me all of this happened instead of just a bunch of Russians who took over the land doing it?
lurk more, homosexual. five years is the recommended minimum.
>No no it was in jest, you see. I was merely PRETENDING to be cognitively challenged...
highly doubt you were on PrepHole at 11y/o
Steamed hams. Taste great and are quite filling.
Uhuh, I see. And you call them steamed hams despite them being obvious war crimes committed by the Russian armed forces?
Steamed hams? Oh no no! I meant "roasted piggies", that's what we call warcrimes in the part of siberia I'm from.
you call war crimes "roasted piggies"?
I won’t be surprised if Uncle Sam’s CIA are operating behind enemy lines
That's the neat part: as long as they're not doing anything violent, that's not an act of war. Everyone already takes it for granted that everyone's glowies are watching everyone else, so as long as he's sending the ammo dump coordinates to Langley then back to Kiev, he's not participating in combat operations.
>back at langley, a lone glowBlack person presses two phones against each other
>implying passing puccian checkpoints is an issue
lmao even
Don't feed him (you)s, shills crying "didn't happen" are only here because they have experienced a huge loss recently, this is their coping mechanism.
yes the SAS is that good
I am McJohn from Glasgow oblast. I in SAS for 50 years'. Everything bad allege to Russia (includes Bucha), actually done by we in SAS. i sorry Russia, I know (now) what I done wrong.
>I am a rabbit. My parents were rabbits.
Assigned rabbit at birth, but you can be anything you want, anon! Including being a rabbit.
>probably just the SAS
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVGGGGGGHHHHHHH
Please don't give me hope. I dream all day of NATO doing SOF frickery in Ukraine. Imagine how based that would be.
I will never forgive the SAS for doing this!
this. the nazis of europe have been going undercover to kill civilians behind russian lines
Schizo posts
i'm sorry chief but i don't think they have to
they really do get around don't they?
SBU sabaturski
Probably some unit didn't want to go into frontline meat grinder. Rear guard NKVD were forced to do the meatgrinding themself.
Russians faking a firefight to make retreating from Kherson more understandable for the home public
Chechens infighting
Kherson has had partisans murdering soldiers and collaborators at night there for months.
I can't wait to read about this. Partisan activity has always fascinated me. I use the shit out of partisans in any game that lets me.
>What the frick is going on here?
Russian autism
It's either Ukrainian partisans/SOF skirmishing with Russians or Russians fighting other Russians
Could be propaganda but in one video you see incoming rounds
The government is providing information on the locations of collaborators and important targets, they apparently have some weapon caches buried around.
The morloks have arisen
My bet is either partisans or Russians shooting each other.
>/k/ is a board devoted to weapons and military equipment.
>Discussions about politics or current events belong on /misc/.
QQ
frick ya mudda
Probably staged because there is nighttime partisan activity in kherson and it's bad for morale. Pretend you cornered and massacred a bunch of insurgents and your troops sleep a little better
All we know is the Russians were shooting at someone who was shooting back. Whatever the official story is will likely be false so we may never know for certain
I dunno, the only real info is pretty fricking loose in terms of saying its partisans, chechens fighting regs for loot and saboteurs doing not so ninja shit. Heck it could just be regular blue on blue when one side doesn't recognise the other and starts letting go and the other side does the same.
It was a pretty serious fricking shoot out though with armoured vehicles sending cannon rounds downrange and plenty of tracer fire coming back at them
The thing that raises my eyebrows is that they're usually a lot faster than this to start pointing fingers at Ukrainian/NATO SF. The lack of an official narrative beyond "we shot at some people who had guns" makes it seem more like an attempt to sweep things under the rug, and my suspicion of a Red-on-Red, possibly a desertion attempt gone bad, increases by the hour.
Given the lack of discipline with Russians, it could be anyone lately.
They've got Donbabweans, Lugandans, Regular Russian troops, Chechens, Wagner, Wanger-Convicts, FSB glowies and fricking god only knows who else that has 'a gun'
Plus they all fricking hate each other in some sort of way
Suspicious people were observed, confronted and a firefight ensued. The Okrainian group is dead.
According to the latest reports it's Kadyrovtsy and Rosgvardiya are arguing about who should get on the train to Crimea first.
>Several powerful explosions in Kherson
>In Kherson, occupied by Russia, four powerful explosions were heard on Saturday in a cotton factory where there were Russians and their equipment, according to the intelligence department of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, according to the news agency Ukrinform.
>Ukrinformin reported late on Saturday evening that according to preliminary information, 180 Russians were killed in the attack by the Ukrainians and several dozen seriously injured were hospitalized.
Sauce:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12314941/64-3-108531
>cotton factory
The vata is burning.
Underrated
it's clear Ukraine has extremely robust rear line operations considering they were air lifting supplies to Mariupol and cas evacing wounded
Supposedly its Wagner group shooting at Kadyrovites. Happens a lot these days. Chechen barbarians are mutilating and raping women and its too much even for white russians. Not the first encounter between the two groups.
they are angry they didnt get there first more likely
This, wagner literally conscripts prisoners. Probably arguing over loot or just being contentious fricks to each other for no reason, which escalated into this.
Wagner Group know the Chechens are keeping them from surrendering, so they hate them. Chechens know the Russians have fricked up, so they hate them back.
>Chechen barbarians are mutilating and raping women
Video with timestamp, DNA proofs, at least six male witnesses and soiled panty sales link or it didn't happen.
RUollywood filming propaganda footage
Sirs what is burning?
That dot seems to pop in and out every few days. Maybe an oil rig burning off excess or something.
Nothing worth of panic surely
it's probably just the admiral kuznetsov on its way to strike odessa.
The Ghost of Moskva, still trying to track TB-2s
Fascinating analysis on the Russian military, though it STILL gives the Russian military too much credit, lol.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/18/russia-military-underperforming-ukraine
There is no panic in Kherson.
Has any country used something like the Joo Dees? The only place I can think of would be China or Best Korea
happens all the time in absolutist states, you will absolutely get one if you sign up for tourist visit to north korea
Good lord this show had some of the hottest girls
True. Also they had Wincest. Azula was thirsty for Zuko.
So what's the official explanation for yesterday's firefight? On twitter there's picture of some random dormitory having a few extra structurally superfluous holes. What were they shooting at?
Okrainian saboteurs.
BASED PARTISANS FEELING IT AND KILLING VATBlack folk
SLAVA THE FRICKING UKRAINI DO IT FRICK THE VATNIKS UP FRICK THE RIGHT UP YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
With the benefit of hindsight, trying to hold Kherson and Melitopol was just fricking stupid.
They're trying to hold cities packed with INSURGENTS on top of being threatened by a regular competent military.
That is not a recipe for long-term success.
That's only a problem if you don't cull the civilians with extreme prejudice.
Can't have insurgents if the local populations is dead and replaced by Siberian turbo-gypsies.
Which the Russians have not done, in the name of "Muh Liberation Of Ukraine" from the "Ukrainian Nazi Regime".
And all the pro-Russian traitors are running or getting cold feet, lol.
>have not done
You know those "250k dead ukronazis" vatniks like to talk about?
Yeah.
In Kherson, which is close enough to the front that we had a decent picture of what was going on, they were dumping live ammo on protesters by week 2 and disappearing people door to door by month 2.
Then whomever is left in Kherson has nothing left to lose by killing every single fricking Vatnik they possibly can. It's beautifully simple.
Kill Vatniks before you die first. If you're all going to be killed by Russians anyway, kill as many as possible beforehand.
Lol, this dreamland post is hilariously moronic.
Probably made by an actual hohol, since it's so far removed from reality.
Russia is losing and there is nothing you can do about it.
Insurgencies have never posed a problem for Russia.
You do not despise gopnogs nearly enough for their defilement of /k/ but there is hope. Keep adding hatred. They drew first post.
>What the frick is going on here?
KILLING FRICKING VATBlack folk! WITH GUNS!
Looking at the number of slide threads the vatnik shills are pushing after three weeks of hiding in /misc/ we can assume something big is going on...
I want to go back and I just got back. Argh. Kill these motherfricking Russian wienerscking murdering filthy fricking scum can's of piss stamp those fricking russian skulls boyos
You can just click on the icon and it will send you to the news report it is for, idiot.
Vatniks got drunk and are killing each other.
warchief has just promised us more russian blood spilled, can't fricking wait
So where do you think the next Ukrainian counteroffensive(s) will be?
Also I'm so hoping for a Winter Offensive.
My bet is in the direction to Mariupol, destroy the land bridge between Russian held territory and Crimea. Also increasing pressure on the Kerch Bridge. On top of that also encircling Kherson more if they mode West from there. Or maybe bypass the troops encircled in Kherson and go straight for Crimea.
Same as this time - they'll do a couple of probing attacks and push where the front gives.
Belgorod
An incursion directly into Russian territory? Spec Ops would be better suited for that.
>Going right for Crimea
Bold move. They'd force the Russians to transfer help away from Kherson to Crimea.
It's temporarily occupied Ukrainian territory.
Why would he make such comments at all? The lack of OPSEC throughout the war has been kinda nuts. What's even more nuts is how it hasn't mattered much so far.
>The lack of OPSEC throughout the war has been kinda nuts
all most important actions happened with total OPSEC. None new about helicopters to Mariupol, none knew about Kharkiv offensive
The Ukrainians tell the Russians what they WANT to tell them.
>"We're going to hit Kherson soon. Please believe us! This totally isn't a distraction from Kharkiv at all!"
>inb4 nothing happens for the next 6 months
No I think the Ukrainians are going to attack in the absolute dead of Winter. It's the last move anyone has predicted, which is exactly why it is going to happen.
A massive Winter Offensive.
It's pretty obvious to anyone that it's the truth, and the goal is probably to inspire further panic in the Russian forces in order to inspire more "regroupings" because "any probe could be another offensive."
It also is probably to make withdrawing from kherson more appealing.
Any time anybody makes a public statement you need to remind youself again and again that it's something they want Russia to hear.
People keep forgetting that. Whatever is being said it has been vetted by intelligence officers with Russia in mind.
When the US says "we advised against Ukraine commiting to a large-scale offensive" it's because they want Russia to hear "we think it's going to go poorly".
It isn't an offhand comment. It isn't a break in opsec. It's crafted messaging. You can try to theorize your own end-goal.
With that in mind, what do you think this message is trying to achieve?
>With that in mind, what do you think this message is trying to achieve?
Panic
One possibility, but probably not how I'd phrase a statement meant to intimidate or strike fear.
There's a preposition in that statement that is glossed over as obvious statement of fact. I feel like that is probably worth a second look.
see my statement here
>Yes, we do have more forces
>Yes, you should panic
>It's probably a good idea to just frick off out of Kherson my dudes, cause we may shrek you in the Donbass
And considering the shit C3 the statement is probably more aimed at the LPR / DPR goons than the russians, but it will also probably paralyze the Russian Bipartite Boneheads in an argument of who gets what little reinforcements they have.
Telling your opponent they have some time to regroup and prepare is usually a big no-no. Even if you think it will intimidate the men on the ground, even if you don't believe they have any capacity to bolster forces or defense; it gives the people above them a moment to get them back in hand.
I'm more fixated on that first bit. Starting with "There's a lull right now. We're not doing anything. We'll totally be back in a few days. There's absolutely nothing is happening right now, at this very moment." would make me very nervous if I were a Russian anywhere near the front.
that's what I meant in my second part, if it was a bit miss-phrased
The Russians must be shitting themselves now because they don't have any new reinforcements, and the two commanders are still fighting each other with Monke probably telling them not to lose any more land.
I bet the Reinforcements, if there even are any fricking reinforcements, are being held for the defense of Russia itself, meaning the most pressure is on the southern commander who now must make a shit choice on whether to withdraw from Kherson (which will cost them a shit ton of heavy equipment) or try shuffling what limited assets he has, in order to predict an offensive he doesn't know the direction of.
Russia can only commit so much before it is helpless against enemy attack on its own land.
I see what you're saying. Yeah, the Russian command, and what options are still available, is a mess. Especially for the southern forces. On the immediate stage the northern forces are more important, since they can't leave their own border undefended. But on the world stage Crimea is of immense value to Russia. It gives the Ukranian forces a lot of dynamic options for where to push.
I wonder what would happen if Ukraine made a play across the Russian border. I don't imagine it would be a good, idea, but it is an interesting one.
>Russians just got done murdering a terrorist cell in Herson
>It is hopeles for them! They are going to have to withdraw!
Delusional.
why set yourself up like this shillbro? Haven't you had enough?
just got done murdering a terrorist cell in Herson
proofs?
You're the delusional one if you think they are having a good time on the north bank of the Dnieper, with the UA slowly moving in and the crossings perpetually being shelled.
The fact that a terrorist cell even existed, let alone that it was big enough for an apparent gun fight, is not a good look for them.
>inb4 they just rounded some random civilians up and murdered them to make an example, because their counter intel is trash and they probably don't even care about warcrimes at this point.
If it was just civilians they lined up and shot, there wouldn't have been return fire. Russians dont put effort into such things.
A major problem for Russia is that their collaborators are either running or getting cold feet, which means they're increasingly playing the role of Brutal Foreign Occupier. This whole thing is turning into a disaster.
Russia doesn't have the troops to contain insurgencies OR stop the Ukrainian military, and both elements of Ukraine are working together.
>playing the role of Brutal Foreign Occupier
As if they care.
It is becoming increasingly likely that volunteer and 'volunteer' brigades in Kherson are getting antsy. Relations with Russian forces are not good. There are also Chechens in Kherson, and obviously, pissed off hohols.
They could be shooting at fricking anyone. DNR, LPDR, Chechen, Ukrop, their own fricking regulars
Even in MSW the beans (russian regulars in digiflora) just fricking friendly fire everyone to the point that all other Russian units just shoot them first so they can't frick it up for everyone else.
My guess? Tensions will boil over and they'll openly clash in open warfare, as the ones who want to surrender will realize they gotta kill some people to be able to.
other option is the blocking detachment explanation, OR a unit actually had permission to withdraw but people not in the loop or confused and panicked people decided to fire at them, either thinking they were deserting or that they might've been ukies or partisans.
I can totally buy the Russians were shooting at each other. They're scared to death of partisans, and it's entirely possible the partisans have gotten their hands on Russian uniforms by now.
They should at least bombard the Russians relentlessly with precision artillery during the winter.
Maybe unleash raiding parties at times. Off-road Technicals modified for winter warfare.
I'm glad the Russians are that stupid, to piss off the people they're at the mercy of.
They're all secretly asking the same question, "Why the frick can't we just surrender?! Everyone at Kharkiv got to run away."
>Maybe unleash raiding parties at times. Off-road Technicals modified for winter warfare.
Remember the Finns training those ukies a bit back?
What if it was literally for this, for cold weather operations
Ostensibly they just trained them to drive the older Pasis
But if we see ukies on skiis...
Possible.
Harassment of the Russians in winter doesn't have to be anything too large in scale. Just a few Technicals striking at night, scaring the living shit out of Russians trying to fricking sleep.
Imagine hearing the sounds of snowmobile engines in your cold trench followed by explosions and screaming
They took the time to shell the Enerhodar nuclear power plant, even it they were predictably moronic about it ("huh yeah this dud shell just pivoted when it hit the ground, that's why it looks like it came from the direction of our lines").
Russians simply cannot spare the MANPOWER to control an insurgency. They're too busy trying to fend off the Ukrainian military.
Russia didn't bring nearly enough men to actually OCCUPY the country, and they pissed off Ukrainians with their heavy-handed tactics. The fields speak Ukrainian.
I don't think supposed partisan cells are the primary concern, vatnikanon
You must be 18 to post here.
one of the biggest fears the ukrainian government has is failing to show progress to western allies, which could lead to a slow down in military aid.
the ukrainians are like a shark right now, they have to keep moving forward if they want to keep living so they need to keep signaling to everyone about whatever victories they can get
They have a ton of targets to pick, lol. Russia is spread way too thin across too broad a front line.
I don't think NATO is nearly has concerned with Ukraine making progress as you believe.
Most of the Pentagon is probably fine with this war dragging out, taking Russian resources, credibility, and stability with it.
Obviously Ukraine can't be allowed to start losing, but Ukraine actually winning was probably way down on the list of priorities.
My bet?
Ukraine: "We're getting ready to attack again! We're taking a break right now but we're gonna do the same thing again!"
Russia; "Oh frick, full readiness!"
-TWO MONTHS LATER, DEAD OF WINTER-
Ukraine: "Any minute now! We're just warming the engines up! It's pretty chilly! :^)"
Russia: "Blyad I have frostbite what the hell where are the hohols"
Ukraine: "Tanks in fifteen minutes :^)" *sips coffee*
While it's a thought, giving Russia a whole winter to dig in sounds like a horrible idea. Though maybe Ukraine doesn't have another option.
Forcing Russia to commit to a heavy defense, in severely inclimate weather in the expectation of imminent frontal assault, will drain them of resources more rapidly while putting more units, men and equipment up front and vulnerable. Rather than actually facing the prospect of a hellish winter offensive, simply goat the Russians into putting on their best defensive posture... then flatten it with all the artillery in the world.
The Ukrainians could try to bait the Russians into going on the offensive via harassment, resulting in the Russians getting blasted when they get out in the open.
The Ukrainians are going to press their advantage during the cold months, denying the Vatniks ANY chance to recover.
Knowing the Ukrainians, they're likely strike the Russian supplies of winter clothing first, lol.
Ukraine needs Kherson, and really as many other large, relatively intact, cities as possible before winter. Having someplace warm to rotate troops to and from will go a long way to keeping it together while the russian's freeze in building husks and trenches.
Melitopol is literally right there. Neither side really has a "warm place to sleep" in the middle of nowhere outside of a few villages.
he said it few minutes after another collaborator in Melitopol became honorable VEHDEHVEH
Melitopol is a good target. Russians there bolted I heard.
>Izyum, Balakliya, Kupyansk and Kharkiv region in general are cities and communities that we liberated. These words are now being heard. They sound everywhere. Mariupol, Melitopol and Kherson are also sounding, but they will sound even more often and louder when we free them. Donetsk, Horlivka and Luhansk - and they will sound. Dzhankoy, Yevpatoria, Yalta - and they too. Necessarily
Vatnikzizters?!
Thank you, little dancing man. I will never doubt you again.
My guess is locals jumping the gun and going nuts way before it would be wise to leap into the fray.
Wait for the perfect time and you may never get the chance to act before that SMERCH death squad drags you to the edge of a shallow hole in the woods. Soviet doctrine 101: If you are losing ground, liquidate any potential opponents while they are still within reach. And who can say but that perhaps a firefight in the rear area may be just the nudge that cracks an enemy units will to remain. Nothing can be known for certain in a fluid combat environment other than that death may come at any time so better to do your bit sooner rather than later.
Try >>>tg
arestovich says it's imitation of partisan removal after ukraine successfully targeted collaborator government meeting
>it's imitation of partisan removal
oh yeah that'll stop the partisans, it's not like they probably already have come to terms with possibly dying or anything, shooting guns in the air or at walls will absolutely scare them
Russians can pretend to stop the insurgents all they want. The reality is that their own brutality makes new partisans constantly.
No rest for the wicked. Select teams should assault Russian winter positions on a regular but unpredictable basis. Different spots, different times, etc. Keep them guessing.
Also bring out the snipers at night. Priority targets are the officers.
Just set the drones loose. Have one pathfinder drone with an expensive commercial FLIR camera spot targets for the rest. Just dump RGDs and old drogue AT grenades on everything every single night and then wake them up with Grads, Krabs and GMLRS.
There are definitely many ways to keep the Russians on their toes. The nature of the threat keeps changing on them. They can't adapt.
A lot of Ukraine and Polish language sources are saying it's intra-Vatnik fighting of a criminal nature, like Kadyrovites fighting against some other gangs of Russian looters, I mean security.
The system is breaking down in Kherson. Too many units, too many different factions, all under a ton of pressure and cut off from resupply. They can pretend to be allies, but they hate each other.
so remember how their last symbol looked like a moronic deathly hallows symbol?
Well...
No match for the Ukrainian Cossack Cross.
There are rumors Ukraine just retook Lysychansk.
https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1571609137384931338?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
>Neil Hauer
@NeilPHauer
Longtime source in Ukraine's Foreign Legion tells me Lysychansk is fully under Ukrainian control. "River is crossed, city is ours - Severodonetsk soon."
Really? I'm skeptical, haven't heard about anything happening there yet, just light infantry and SOF east of Oskil. Was there another "regrouping?"
My guess is the Russians lost their nerve, again.
/k/oping morons will believe it.
Fake and gay unfortunately.
It'll happen, but definitely not this soon. I saw reports that AFU had Donetsk airport already as early as three days ago. Soon, but lolno.
>There are rumors Ukraine just retook Lysychansk.
there were also rumors last week that ukraine had taken lyschansk, along with rumors that ukraine had crossed the siversky donets at bilohorivka and taken lyman. there were also rumors that ukraine had taken svatove and starobilsk.
Shut the frick up and don't tell them what to do. You can leave if the thread is upsetting you, Irma.