The VDV actually did their job very well, they just fell victim to the classic story of “Airborne units are unable to be resupplied and end up wiped out”
They got scattered even before the Army convoy near Kiev convoy stalled. They took Hostomel, made the security forces flee, and then came under fire and had to flee themselves. All while the airport/aircraft they intended to capture were shelled. For a successful linkup there had to be impeccable timing, and that is rarely worth the risk.
There was a brief period where the VDV held the airport. Preparing to begin shuttling in planes, men and equipment.
The Ukrainians shelled the airport and put a stop to it. Before they were able to move back in and recapture the airport from the Russians.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Rg7wecErGKY
I thought the image itself looked off anyway. The 225 had its engines attached since I remember videos of the fan blades spinning while destroyed.
https://i.imgur.com/054Uds1.jpg
>VDV held the airport
After the shelling of the grounded aircraft (without a secure area of about 40 km.) They withdrew outside the airport right? Couldn't find much about that I have some vids of them being in below ground.
The timeline confusion for me comes from when the fighting in the two happened. Was that stopping more forces from getting into the airport, or was it engaging the paratroopers who had evacuated it?
Some images from the time showed a fair amount of planes and trucks on the ground. Which were caught in the Ukrainian counterattack.
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>VDV take airport >The clip of "we're lucky their stupid" is that they collected their forces to Gostomel on open target that can be seen from drone/satellite >this leads to shelling of said equipment >VDV have to engage in counter battery >targets are hit still
Its more of a repeat when looking at maps.
>they did well defending in Kherson and around Bakhmu
Kherson and the flanks around Bakhmut are doing famously well right now
A boat force tried again in Kherson recently its the third one recorded. But tell me what is the fanficiton about Kherson now?
>VDV held the airport
After the shelling of the grounded aircraft (without a secure area of about 40 km.) They withdrew outside the airport right? Couldn't find much about that I have some vids of them being in below ground.
We literally have day 1 footage from CNN with the VDV holding the airport, it's not >MUH VATNIK FANFICTION
Watch any analysis of the initial assault and it'll tell you the same
" Kings and Generals " or whatever that Youtube channel is came to the same conclusion
Airborne types are too proud to eat crayons however. Meanwhile you could shove horse shit and crayons into a retort pouch and the USMC wouldn't know any better.
The Americans had tanks, artillery, dug in positions, etc… these weren’t guys who just came down under silk. Even still the battle of the bulge is famous because of how desperate it was.
>are airborne tactics a meme?
Not really. Airborne troops can hit hard, but they're fragile. They can make surprise attacks and seize priority targets from the enemy, but they can't really hold them without conventional reinforcements showing up to help.
What the ziggers did was just send the VDV to take airfields and shit.....then just leave them there to get flattened when the Ukrainians counter-attacked with artillery and heavy armor to which the VDV has no defense.
TL;DR : Airborne troops aren't a meme. The russians just got all of theirs killed because they don't know how to use airborne troops.
They didn't factor in that the Ukrainians would counter-attack. The VDV and other airborn units were to take airports, and then ferry in more troops to make the fast attack on Kiev. But then the conventional forces got bogged down fighting, and airborne were stranded alone. Literally Russian plans were like "we will attack so fast and from every directions they will simply put down their weapons and run".
Well, that does kind of make an (incompetent) sort of sense.
But what makes no sense at all is that they just kept sending in more VDV to replace the ones who just got wiped out down to the last man by the ukies. And they did it over, and over, and over. It made no fucking sense at all.
>they just kept sending in more VDV to replace the ones who just got wiped out down to the last man by the ukies. And they did it over, and over, and over. It made no fucking sense at all.
what are you even talking about?
I don't think they got really wiped out properly at any point, they had to retreat (is that even confifrmed?) but in the end they did hold or at least recapture the airfield once the ground troops linked up. So there was no wiped out and reinforced cycle.
They did get properly fucked on their initial probes out of the air port, the kino ambush on that column by spec ops and volunteers.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they had to retreat (is that even confifrmed?)
Farmers killed some of them as they fled.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Imagine training for years and then this kek
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
17 navy seals were killed when their helicopter was shot down by a retarded goat herder. It's just war. Hell, there was probably some poor samurai who was trained and endured hardship for all his life and then died of diarrhea before ever getting to a battle.
3 weeks ago
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>died of diarrhea before ever getting to a battle
I remember reading that a majority or at least a significant portion of soldier deaths in the old times used to be from diseases and shit. Comparatively few people died in actual combat.
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Especially in very successful armies, anon. Think about it: if you're mogging everyone else in battle, you're taking fewer casualties, except for the one enemy ancient armies couldn't beat for the longest time, disease.
Thus some Roman campaigns reported casualty ratios of 1:4, enemy action vs disease.
And the Royal Navy of the Napoleonic Wars took 90% of its casualties during the period from accidents and disease, only 10% from combat.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Barbarossa >Build an empire >Launch a massive crusade for the holy land >accidently drown in a river on the way there
What did he mean by this?
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You know, naming a military operation after him probably should have been a hint to how it would end up.
3 weeks ago
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That applied well into WWI for many forces.
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Anonymous
In Afghan there was a scimitar that went off a bridge into a river and the commander drowned like fuck at least let me get turned inside out by a rogue RPG that just sucks
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>you will never hunt ziggers with pa's old over-under
suffering
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>you will never hunt ziggers with pa's old over-under
suffering
Not to ruin everyone's fun, but I believe that's just a territorial defense analysing the dead AFTER the battle. They weren't killed by farmers or sadly an over-under, but by regular Ukrainian troops. Sadly. I wish it were true.
3 weeks ago
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The farmer killed them and called the military to report it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Looks like the farmers are farming vatniks.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I just realized: this is fucking payback time for ukros.
The Russo paycheck for Stalin&Co.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
this goes way back then Stalin. All they way to Kievan Rus (ukranians) being back stabbed by muscovite turncoats (russians) fronting as the mongol tax collectors
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Who specifically hit the Russians at the airport? Was it a chaotic mix of anyone who could fight?
3 weeks ago
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A small reservist unit was guarding the airport. After VDV landed, units from the Ukrainian army came.
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And when I saw the outcome, I came.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Was it a chaotic mix of anyone who could fight?
Yes
Reportedly, it was a mix of the NATO-trained Rapid Reaction National Guard unit, other militia units, police, civilian reservists grabbing shotties from home, and instrutors and students from the military academies in Kyiv
Not surprising really: they were the nearest Russians to Kyiv, so I can imagine people just grabbed a gun and flocked there
>But what makes no sense at all is that they just kept sending in more VDV to replace the ones who just got wiped out down to the last man by the ukies. And they did it over, and over, and over. It made no fucking sense at all.
That literally never happen
There were two waves that attacked Gostomel >first wave landed and captured >then ukrainian counterattack happend >second wave landed to try and buy time
It was a total of like 600 troops
>they just kept sending in more VDV to replace the ones who just got wiped out down to the last man by the ukies. And they did it over, and over, and over. It made no fucking sense at all.
what are you even talking about?
What actually happened according to Ukrainians that were there is that the first wave got wiped out which is where the helicopters that were shot down happened, they noticed this and started dropping in the woods behind the airport and moving to the airport on foot. Eventually the hoholinas had to retreat and left the VDV to be shelled and bombed by aircraft and on the second day they raided the airport and the surviving VDV retreated to the woods, the Ukrainians left and the VDV survivors came back the day after because the ground troops convoy arrived but heavily depleted due to combat and indirect fire. More Russians arrived from the road later. They never managed to use the airport for more air landings due to the damage and interminent shelling.
The shelling, sniper fire and ambushes outside the airport happened after this till the Kiev feint happened.
This is what I heard. The initial helicopter landing was broken up by territorials and a quick reaction force, but the airfield was then taken by another landing of VDV + advance elements of a Motor Rifle unit (the army guys who escorted in the Interior Ministry troops that got slaughtered on the bridge to Kiev). Then all the BMDs were unloaded for the bumrush into the outer Kiev suburbs where they got massacred by territorials.
Their objectives were much simpler than Market Garden. This is like a basic airborne operation. Take one objective and hold it for a bit until a main force arrives, and they failed. The biggest issue is the Russians just did not expect meaningful resistance at all.
Overall VDV and marines have been really the only effective russian troops. Too bad they ended up just being used as regular ground pounders. Its really the regular army mechanized units that shit the bed really hard. At this point I'd imagine that a russian mechanized batallion could not conquer a undefended mcdonalds without few divisions worth of artillery supporting them.
LDR and DPR had some really experienced units, but by all accounts they have been bled dry.
>are airborne tactics a meme?
Always have been. Combat drops were a risky maneuver in their heyday and are nonexistent in modern times. Nowadays they're just air mobile light infantry.
Russian airborne tactics are a meme.
Going in with support on they way is risky.
Going in with the Russian regulars as your support is a bad idea.
Going in, expecting conscriptovich to link up with you, in an incredibly time sensitive operation, with no immediate support, deep in enemy territory, with no air superiority, is suicidal, and whoever came up with this operation should have been shot for gross incompetence.
That said, if Russian commanders were actually executed for incompetence when they fucked up, there wouldn't be a Russian military command structure left.
VEH DEH VEH
THEY SHOT DOWN OUR JET
I LOOK AROUND MY SQUAD IS ALL DEAD
MY SQUAD LANDED SAFELY BUT GOT HUNTED LIKE SPORT
WHERE THE HELL IS OUR GROUND SUPPORT?!
VEH DEH VEH
IN HELL I MEET
THE FALLSCHIRMJÄGERS FROM THE BATTLE OF CRETE
THIS OPERATION IS A FUCKING DISGRACE
UNSUPPORTED DROPS IN CONTESTED AIRSPACE
For the last fucking time, NO. Russians are just retarded.
The United States has conducted major airborne drops in every conflict since WWII with exception of the Persian Gulf War and every last one of them has been a success (Market Garden doesn’t count because the British were the ones who dropped the ball there). We were the last major power to create an airborne force and we are somehow the MVP of it.
Last time I checked, we were the ones who died in the hundreds to take Nijmegen and your beloved Horrocks and his band of merry retards proceeded to sit on their asses for the next two days, while 1st Airborne was massacred, Bong.
Horrocks and his entire command should have been executed for their incompetence.
VDV have done a good job so far and they have a good track record >There's zero proof they lost any transport planes >they took gostomel but didn't get reinforcements in time >they did well defending in Kherson and around Bakhmut
The VDV are literally one of the only decently performing Russian units, I don't get the hate on them
No, they didn't lose any transport planes because they didn't use them. They used helicopters in Hostomel and lost at least 2 of them, one carrying a regimental commander.
>There's zero proof they lost any transport planes
We only have US glowie leaks about it, and that particular part of the battle was very confused. The kill was claimed by a UAF Su-27 pilot, and given the weapons they were armed with, it's unlikely he would mistake an Mi-8 for an An-26.
Personally I think it's definite that something was shot down, likely that it was a transport plane, but who knows if it was really a big one with 250+ VDV in it. Helicopters were falling out of the sky all over so the fact that something went down, that's not surprising at all. If the allegedly downed transport plane went into the Dniepr or went down in Belarus, as is likely, we'd never know.
I see you failed to provide the source of this cropped image. Is it because the source is shit and known for making shit up? Couldn't be! You're not that dumb, are you?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Associated Press
I just love watching you vatmorons flounder desperately
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Care to link the article there?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why bother? You've made up your mind.
Go read TASS, that's more your reporting standard.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I just wanted to see how honest you were, noting that the article prefaces that segment by saying there is a bunch of disinformation going on, and these were just claims, not actual verifiable facts.
Did I say they were facts?
From the start I said they were leaks by US glowies. Not official in the least.
You claimed I was >making shit up
and got hilariously BTFOd by your own ignorance.
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It also prefaces it by saying Russian, Ukrainian and other sources. So it's not even certain these were actual US glowies.
Remedial English class buddy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and other sources
gee I wonder what "other sources" mean
It's so cute to watch you seize on to every tenuous lifeline to save your narrative.
The fact remains that you are an ignorant moron who thought >No we don't. Stop making shit up
and was proven dead wrong.
3 weeks ago
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>we have glowie leaks >literally just hoholshills online starting rumors
You're either dumb or intentionally lying, that's all there is to it.
3 weeks ago
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>Ukraine’s military said Friday it had shot down a Russian military transport plane carrying paratroopers near Vasylkiv, a city 25 miles (40 kilometers) south of Kyiv, an account confirmed by a senior American intelligence official.
And the moron continues to lie, hoping nobody would check.
3 weeks ago
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>anonymous sources say
t. the most honest hoholshill
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You may dispute the source, but the fact remains that you were hilariously ignorant even of its existence, shot your mouth off, and got BTFOd.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, the source clearly states there is misinformation going on and leaves it vague as to who came up with it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You may dispute the source, but the fact remains that you were hilariously ignorant even of its existence, shot your mouth off, and got BTFOd.
3 weeks ago
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I accept your concession.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There is no concession here; you've been conclusively proven wrong.
For those who haven't read it yet, give this a look. It's a pretty in-depth interview about what happened that day.
https://teletype.in/@tysknip/HostomelEN
The VDV are merely the least retarded 'tards in the remedial toilet training class....at the Institute for the Intellectually Unfortunate....
All their orders were scribbled in crayons on drool-proof paper by drunken waterheads.....and the VDV were still stupid enough to obey those orders. "Who's the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him?"
I don't know what's a worst look >The modern (Russian Federation) VDV were never good, they were just a peacock propaganda unit made to make Russia look strong and manly and the first time they went to a true peer war they got a brutal reality check
or >The modern (Russian Federation) VDV WERE good, but Russia's strategic and tactical dumbassery has resulted in them bleeding some of their genuinely best troops because they severely underestimated their enemy's will to fight and thought they could just drive down main street to link up with the deployed VDV voices no problem
those two aren't exactly mutually exclusive.
the VDV were their best troops, but average by international standards. and also dressed up as propaganda super soldiers.
>are airborne tactics a meme?
Wrong airborne tactics.
Airborne landings shouldn't be used in areas were enemy can quickly bring reserves.
Basically area of viability of airborne troops is an area were you can by air deliver larger force than enemy can deliver by all means (by default land way and other ways like its own airborne). Fro example landing on to the island or mountainous area without roads.
Hostomel landing is textbook failure of wrong strategic choice of airborne landing area.
The VDV actually did their job very well, they just fell victim to the classic story of “Airborne units are unable to be resupplied and end up wiped out”
also no reinforcements or fire support
They got scattered even before the Army convoy near Kiev convoy stalled. They took Hostomel, made the security forces flee, and then came under fire and had to flee themselves. All while the airport/aircraft they intended to capture were shelled. For a successful linkup there had to be impeccable timing, and that is rarely worth the risk.
That's a cool fanfiction you wrote after the fact. Is it yours?
Who holds Hostomel?
There was a brief period where the VDV held the airport. Preparing to begin shuttling in planes, men and equipment.
The Ukrainians shelled the airport and put a stop to it. Before they were able to move back in and recapture the airport from the Russians.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Rg7wecErGKY
Please delete that picture.
thats not mriya idiot, it literally says 124 on it
I thought the image itself looked off anyway. The 225 had its engines attached since I remember videos of the fan blades spinning while destroyed.
The timeline confusion for me comes from when the fighting in the two happened. Was that stopping more forces from getting into the airport, or was it engaging the paratroopers who had evacuated it?
Some images from the time showed a fair amount of planes and trucks on the ground. Which were caught in the Ukrainian counterattack.
>VDV take airport
>The clip of "we're lucky their stupid" is that they collected their forces to Gostomel on open target that can be seen from drone/satellite
>this leads to shelling of said equipment
>VDV have to engage in counter battery
>targets are hit still
Its more of a repeat when looking at maps.
A boat force tried again in Kherson recently its the third one recorded. But tell me what is the fanficiton about Kherson now?
fun fact: the plane was destroyed by hohol artillery
>VDV held the airport
After the shelling of the grounded aircraft (without a secure area of about 40 km.) They withdrew outside the airport right? Couldn't find much about that I have some vids of them being in below ground.
Bro, why do you have to act retarded?
We literally have day 1 footage from CNN with the VDV holding the airport, it's not
>MUH VATNIK FANFICTION
Watch any analysis of the initial assault and it'll tell you the same
" Kings and Generals " or whatever that Youtube channel is came to the same conclusion
Airborne exist to be the bravest, boldest and dumbest lemmings around. Sometimes they achieve mission success, too.
Looks like we got competition, Marines!
Airborne types are too proud to eat crayons however. Meanwhile you could shove horse shit and crayons into a retort pouch and the USMC wouldn't know any better.
>Airborne units are unable to be resupplied and end up wiped out”
This only seems to happen to Russian airborne troops though. Others have been encircled, sure, but the 101st didn't cease to exist after Bastogne.
The Americans had tanks, artillery, dug in positions, etc… these weren’t guys who just came down under silk. Even still the battle of the bulge is famous because of how desperate it was.
>The VDV actually did their job very well
Kek. Did you actually see the footage of them taking the airport? Fucking amateur hour.
Not they didn't, how are you so new that you don't remember the start of the war?
Fucking hell you people are dumb
The returned home on their own power.
STANDING
ON THE EDGE
OF THE CRATER
>are airborne tactics a meme?
Not really. Airborne troops can hit hard, but they're fragile. They can make surprise attacks and seize priority targets from the enemy, but they can't really hold them without conventional reinforcements showing up to help.
What the ziggers did was just send the VDV to take airfields and shit.....then just leave them there to get flattened when the Ukrainians counter-attacked with artillery and heavy armor to which the VDV has no defense.
TL;DR : Airborne troops aren't a meme. The russians just got all of theirs killed because they don't know how to use airborne troops.
They didn't factor in that the Ukrainians would counter-attack. The VDV and other airborn units were to take airports, and then ferry in more troops to make the fast attack on Kiev. But then the conventional forces got bogged down fighting, and airborne were stranded alone. Literally Russian plans were like "we will attack so fast and from every directions they will simply put down their weapons and run".
Well, that does kind of make an (incompetent) sort of sense.
But what makes no sense at all is that they just kept sending in more VDV to replace the ones who just got wiped out down to the last man by the ukies. And they did it over, and over, and over. It made no fucking sense at all.
>they just kept sending in more VDV to replace the ones who just got wiped out down to the last man by the ukies. And they did it over, and over, and over. It made no fucking sense at all.
what are you even talking about?
Hostomel.mp4
I don't think they got really wiped out properly at any point, they had to retreat (is that even confifrmed?) but in the end they did hold or at least recapture the airfield once the ground troops linked up. So there was no wiped out and reinforced cycle.
They did get properly fucked on their initial probes out of the air port, the kino ambush on that column by spec ops and volunteers.
>they had to retreat (is that even confifrmed?)
Farmers killed some of them as they fled.
Imagine training for years and then this kek
17 navy seals were killed when their helicopter was shot down by a retarded goat herder. It's just war. Hell, there was probably some poor samurai who was trained and endured hardship for all his life and then died of diarrhea before ever getting to a battle.
>died of diarrhea before ever getting to a battle
I remember reading that a majority or at least a significant portion of soldier deaths in the old times used to be from diseases and shit. Comparatively few people died in actual combat.
Especially in very successful armies, anon. Think about it: if you're mogging everyone else in battle, you're taking fewer casualties, except for the one enemy ancient armies couldn't beat for the longest time, disease.
Thus some Roman campaigns reported casualty ratios of 1:4, enemy action vs disease.
And the Royal Navy of the Napoleonic Wars took 90% of its casualties during the period from accidents and disease, only 10% from combat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Barbarossa
>Build an empire
>Launch a massive crusade for the holy land
>accidently drown in a river on the way there
What did he mean by this?
You know, naming a military operation after him probably should have been a hint to how it would end up.
That applied well into WWI for many forces.
In Afghan there was a scimitar that went off a bridge into a river and the commander drowned like fuck at least let me get turned inside out by a rogue RPG that just sucks
>you will never hunt ziggers with pa's old over-under
suffering
Not to ruin everyone's fun, but I believe that's just a territorial defense analysing the dead AFTER the battle. They weren't killed by farmers or sadly an over-under, but by regular Ukrainian troops. Sadly. I wish it were true.
The farmer killed them and called the military to report it.
Looks like the farmers are farming vatniks.
I just realized: this is fucking payback time for ukros.
The Russo paycheck for Stalin&Co.
this goes way back then Stalin. All they way to Kievan Rus (ukranians) being back stabbed by muscovite turncoats (russians) fronting as the mongol tax collectors
Who specifically hit the Russians at the airport? Was it a chaotic mix of anyone who could fight?
A small reservist unit was guarding the airport. After VDV landed, units from the Ukrainian army came.
And when I saw the outcome, I came.
>Was it a chaotic mix of anyone who could fight?
Yes
Reportedly, it was a mix of the NATO-trained Rapid Reaction National Guard unit, other militia units, police, civilian reservists grabbing shotties from home, and instrutors and students from the military academies in Kyiv
Not surprising really: they were the nearest Russians to Kyiv, so I can imagine people just grabbed a gun and flocked there
>But what makes no sense at all is that they just kept sending in more VDV to replace the ones who just got wiped out down to the last man by the ukies. And they did it over, and over, and over. It made no fucking sense at all.
That literally never happen
There were two waves that attacked Gostomel
>first wave landed and captured
>then ukrainian counterattack happend
>second wave landed to try and buy time
It was a total of like 600 troops
Please stop taking twitter memes as reality
What actually happened according to Ukrainians that were there is that the first wave got wiped out which is where the helicopters that were shot down happened, they noticed this and started dropping in the woods behind the airport and moving to the airport on foot. Eventually the hoholinas had to retreat and left the VDV to be shelled and bombed by aircraft and on the second day they raided the airport and the surviving VDV retreated to the woods, the Ukrainians left and the VDV survivors came back the day after because the ground troops convoy arrived but heavily depleted due to combat and indirect fire. More Russians arrived from the road later. They never managed to use the airport for more air landings due to the damage and interminent shelling.
The shelling, sniper fire and ambushes outside the airport happened after this till the Kiev feint happened.
Kyivians obliterates the vdv lol, so many dead russians
This is what I heard. The initial helicopter landing was broken up by territorials and a quick reaction force, but the airfield was then taken by another landing of VDV + advance elements of a Motor Rifle unit (the army guys who escorted in the Interior Ministry troops that got slaughtered on the bridge to Kiev). Then all the BMDs were unloaded for the bumrush into the outer Kiev suburbs where they got massacred by territorials.
The first 2-3 days were fucking wild.
>are airborne tactics a meme?
At first i thought they were in modern day fighting against anyone who isnt a farmer in a sandbox.
But now.. i feel its just Russia who is the meme here.
They reenacted Market Garden with surprising speed and zeal.
>You're about to see Market garden on steroids
kek
Their objectives were much simpler than Market Garden. This is like a basic airborne operation. Take one objective and hold it for a bit until a main force arrives, and they failed. The biggest issue is the Russians just did not expect meaningful resistance at all.
Overall VDV and marines have been really the only effective russian troops. Too bad they ended up just being used as regular ground pounders. Its really the regular army mechanized units that shit the bed really hard. At this point I'd imagine that a russian mechanized batallion could not conquer a undefended mcdonalds without few divisions worth of artillery supporting them.
LDR and DPR had some really experienced units, but by all accounts they have been bled dry.
>"Ramirez & The Burgertown" was a documentary
>are airborne tactics a meme?
Always have been. Combat drops were a risky maneuver in their heyday and are nonexistent in modern times. Nowadays they're just air mobile light infantry.
It's called reality check and as a wise man once said:
>the dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed
Muscles and fancy hats don't stop bullets
Russian airborne tactics are a meme.
Going in with support on they way is risky.
Going in with the Russian regulars as your support is a bad idea.
Going in, expecting conscriptovich to link up with you, in an incredibly time sensitive operation, with no immediate support, deep in enemy territory, with no air superiority, is suicidal, and whoever came up with this operation should have been shot for gross incompetence.
That said, if Russian commanders were actually executed for incompetence when they fucked up, there wouldn't be a Russian military command structure left.
VEH DEH VEH
THEY SHOT DOWN OUR JET
I LOOK AROUND MY SQUAD IS ALL DEAD
MY SQUAD LANDED SAFELY BUT GOT HUNTED LIKE SPORT
WHERE THE HELL IS OUR GROUND SUPPORT?!
VEH DEH VEH
IN HELL I MEET
THE FALLSCHIRMJÄGERS FROM THE BATTLE OF CRETE
THIS OPERATION IS A FUCKING DISGRACE
UNSUPPORTED DROPS IN CONTESTED AIRSPACE
>are airborne tactics a meme?
For the last fucking time, NO. Russians are just retarded.
The United States has conducted major airborne drops in every conflict since WWII with exception of the Persian Gulf War and every last one of them has been a success (Market Garden doesn’t count because the British were the ones who dropped the ball there). We were the last major power to create an airborne force and we are somehow the MVP of it.
>the British were the ones who dropped the ball there
Fuck you, it was the Americans who couldn't fight their way to Arnhem
Last time I checked, we were the ones who died in the hundreds to take Nijmegen and your beloved Horrocks and his band of merry retards proceeded to sit on their asses for the next two days, while 1st Airborne was massacred, Bong.
Horrocks and his entire command should have been executed for their incompetence.
>sit on their asses
cope by Stephen Ambrose and the anti-bong cabal
The anti-bong cabal exists for good reason, Nigel.
You seethe; we know.
What's this obsession with confederate soldiers saving pregnant Anne franks?
VDV have done a good job so far and they have a good track record
>There's zero proof they lost any transport planes
>they took gostomel but didn't get reinforcements in time
>they did well defending in Kherson and around Bakhmut
The VDV are literally one of the only decently performing Russian units, I don't get the hate on them
The rest of the Russian Army is garbage though
>they did well defending in Kherson and around Bakhmu
Kherson and the flanks around Bakhmut are doing famously well right now
No, they didn't lose any transport planes because they didn't use them. They used helicopters in Hostomel and lost at least 2 of them, one carrying a regimental commander.
didn't ukrops shoot down an antonov with 200 vdviggers on it?
also the one plane that dropped all the most of the vdv ziggers into the freezing black sea in the night?
>There's zero proof they lost any transport planes
We only have US glowie leaks about it, and that particular part of the battle was very confused. The kill was claimed by a UAF Su-27 pilot, and given the weapons they were armed with, it's unlikely he would mistake an Mi-8 for an An-26.
Personally I think it's definite that something was shot down, likely that it was a transport plane, but who knows if it was really a big one with 250+ VDV in it. Helicopters were falling out of the sky all over so the fact that something went down, that's not surprising at all. If the allegedly downed transport plane went into the Dniepr or went down in Belarus, as is likely, we'd never know.
>We only have US glowie leaks about it,
No we don't. Stop making shit up.
>two US personnel in Ukraine with knowledge on the ground
You figure that one out then.
>source: (you)r crusty asshole
I figured it out.
Not my fault you're an ignorant fuckhead.
I see you failed to provide the source of this cropped image. Is it because the source is shit and known for making shit up? Couldn't be! You're not that dumb, are you?
Associated Press
I just love watching you vatmorons flounder desperately
Care to link the article there?
Why bother? You've made up your mind.
Go read TASS, that's more your reporting standard.
I just wanted to see how honest you were, noting that the article prefaces that segment by saying there is a bunch of disinformation going on, and these were just claims, not actual verifiable facts.
And you didn't disappoint my dear hoholshill.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-media-united-nations-kyiv-3500e852f1a812a23dc9ff492ca2af08
Did I say they were facts?
From the start I said they were leaks by US glowies. Not official in the least.
You claimed I was
>making shit up
and got hilariously BTFOd by your own ignorance.
It also prefaces it by saying Russian, Ukrainian and other sources. So it's not even certain these were actual US glowies.
Remedial English class buddy.
>and other sources
gee I wonder what "other sources" mean
It's so cute to watch you seize on to every tenuous lifeline to save your narrative.
The fact remains that you are an ignorant moron who thought
>No we don't. Stop making shit up
and was proven dead wrong.
>we have glowie leaks
>literally just hoholshills online starting rumors
You're either dumb or intentionally lying, that's all there is to it.
>Ukraine’s military said Friday it had shot down a Russian military transport plane carrying paratroopers near Vasylkiv, a city 25 miles (40 kilometers) south of Kyiv, an account confirmed by a senior American intelligence official.
And the moron continues to lie, hoping nobody would check.
>anonymous sources say
t. the most honest hoholshill
You may dispute the source, but the fact remains that you were hilariously ignorant even of its existence, shot your mouth off, and got BTFOd.
No, the source clearly states there is misinformation going on and leaves it vague as to who came up with it.
You may dispute the source, but the fact remains that you were hilariously ignorant even of its existence, shot your mouth off, and got BTFOd.
I accept your concession.
There is no concession here; you've been conclusively proven wrong.
Russia is the meme, they have no tactics
For those who haven't read it yet, give this a look. It's a pretty in-depth interview about what happened that day.
https://teletype.in/@tysknip/HostomelEN
I aint clicking that bro
It's a legit link, it has already been posted if you check the archive.
that's exactly and specifically what someone posting a virus would say.
Google " The Only Easy Day Was Yesterday. Hostomel. Special Unit "Omega" ", it's the first result, ffs
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Why didn't they just surrender instead of getting kill
They fought pretty well.
>are airborne tactics a meme?
No, but Russian commanders are.
Oh look, this thread again where a bunch of tards parrot the false narratives put forth by the okrainians.
If the VDV didn't want Ukrainians to be the only ones to be able to give their side of events, why didn't they all just not die out?
Who do you think's been piloting all those Lancets?
Lancets stop being a problem in two more weeks?
Implessive. Kxhoxhil offensive litelally ovel!
I know, right?
Who won Hostomel? Hint, NOT YOU.
Then why feel the need to tell lies?
Post Kiev
>What the fuck happened to the VDV?
>are airborne tactics a meme?
Yes
Russian elite military training:
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2) ???
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Russia is keeping alive the "Lions led by donkeys" trope.
airborne tactics? debatable
VDV as an elite force? absolutely a meme
That guy’s take is dumb as hell. It’s vexing watching people with no prior knowledge of military matters talk out their ass since Ukraine kicked off.
Huh? Wasn't the VDV the reason for Kherson holding so long and responsible for some of the Bakhmut breaktrhoughs (which made Prigo mad)
Reminder:
i still think this is the single coolest photo from the entire war so far, that's some warhammer shit
So why does everyone in Russia wear the Popeye shirts
It's just tradition going back to the imperial navy. They wear an open jacket and the telnyashka undershirt instead of a collared shirt
At least the Imperial Navy were capable of mutiny.
They got to meet the paratroopers that landed in Crete and Arnhem, for the exact same reason as those guys, too.
The VDV are merely the least retarded 'tards in the remedial toilet training class....at the Institute for the Intellectually Unfortunate....
All their orders were scribbled in crayons on drool-proof paper by drunken waterheads.....and the VDV were still stupid enough to obey those orders. "Who's the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him?"
I don't know what's a worst look
>The modern (Russian Federation) VDV were never good, they were just a peacock propaganda unit made to make Russia look strong and manly and the first time they went to a true peer war they got a brutal reality check
or
>The modern (Russian Federation) VDV WERE good, but Russia's strategic and tactical dumbassery has resulted in them bleeding some of their genuinely best troops because they severely underestimated their enemy's will to fight and thought they could just drive down main street to link up with the deployed VDV voices no problem
those two aren't exactly mutually exclusive.
the VDV were their best troops, but average by international standards. and also dressed up as propaganda super soldiers.
>are airborne tactics a meme?
Wrong airborne tactics.
Airborne landings shouldn't be used in areas were enemy can quickly bring reserves.
Basically area of viability of airborne troops is an area were you can by air deliver larger force than enemy can deliver by all means (by default land way and other ways like its own airborne). Fro example landing on to the island or mountainous area without roads.
Hostomel landing is textbook failure of wrong strategic choice of airborne landing area.