What the fuck are even second rate NATO weapons that fucking overpowered??

What the fuck are even second rate NATO weapons that fucking overpowered??

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, Russia is just that fucking shit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought Russia defeated ISIS though? logic being Russia defeated ISIS when U.S. couldn't then Russia must be stronger than U.S.?

      anyone care to explain?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia fought literally one battle against ISIS and lost.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        look up the battle of palmyra, late 2016

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I thought Russia defeated ISIS though?
        What kind of homebrew vodka are you drinking?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I was being sarcastic, but my point is that I've heard a lot of people repeat that nonsense. Guess they're not around to explain what they said before.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia barely fought ISIS, they primarily fought rebels in the cities. Unlike ISIS, a lot of those guys had absolutely zero experience besides being stuck in a bombed-out shithole for years.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's actually even more fucked than that, rebels agreed to a ceasefire and to lay down their weapons which Assad and Russia promptly broke to smoke them out. The only place where they failed was in Idlib where Turkey stopped them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > I thought Russia defeated ISIS though?
        No not really, what Russia did was deliver weapons to Iraq and Syria. Basically everyone down there was fighting ISIS: Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, the Taliban, hell even al-Qaeda was fighting ISIS.
        Russia merely dabbled a bit, they did a few bombings, and a battle or two (without too much success, mind you).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I thought Russia defeated ISIS though?
        Time to set the crack pipe down.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >When Isis stops getting TOW missiles from the US after Trump gets elected and after the based tumor does in Mccain they loose to the russians

        funny how that works

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, you aren't allowed to recollect that the Obama admin armed ISIS, this is a pro-democracy board

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            sheeeeit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the US Air Force defeated ISIS
        Simple as

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        US chose not to destroy its deniable Cia trained insurgents. Gee how surprising.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Iran was probably the most responsible for really eliminating ISIS. Syria also obviously but everyone else was pretty much a bit player.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        US + YPG defeated ISIS in Syria.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Under Trump the US stopped funding IsIS, this allowed the Russians to fight a weakened cia terrorist group. Biden ~~*obama*~~ restored their funding.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ukraine
      >blood ravens
      They'd some flavor of space marines from the Ultramar System

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They loot everything, blood ravens are perfect

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What is going on in this picture?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A Techpriest 'requesting' 'research aid' from a guardsman.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            is that guardsman going to be learning the uplifting part of his primer firsthand?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Blood Ravens are perfect because they're loyalists with traitor Geneseed (Dark Crusade and DOW II pretty heavily imply they are Wordies -- Planet Cyrene in the Aurelia sector? gee I wonder) and also because they get most of their gear by "borrowing" it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They're Thousand Sons, not Wobbies. The planet Cyrene predates the character Cyrene and is pronounced differently. The name "Aurelia" isn't uniquely tied to Lorgar either, same way there's a bunch of completely unrelated things named "Lucius" in the setting. Then there's the above-average psyker rate, the "Knowledge is power" schtick, the Thousand Sons novel featuring someone screaming about "a Raven of Blood," the Thousand Sons' Corvidae cult, etc.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tech priestess
        >hair is cables
        I will now coom to your IP

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/ce7uIZZ.jpg

      >ukraine
      >blood ravens
      They'd some flavor of space marines from the Ultramar System

      NATO as AdMech is perfect though

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So, Puccia is a mix of the IG and Orks or straight Lost and the Damned?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tzeench, they never run out of plans. even losing is part of the plan.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But you also have a lot of rape (Slaanesh), AIDS and other diseases (Nurgle) and also they are also natural bloodthirsty thugs (Khorne)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So chaos undivided

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Probably The Lost and the Damned, but without any competent or powerful leadership.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia is just braindead arty spam and human waves, Krieg fits them perfectly

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yea but Krieg has iron fucking disciplin. That's the exact opposite of the Russians.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russians see themselves as the Imperium, when they're actually lame unfunny orks

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think that was a deliberate setup by GW in the lore.
              >Tolkien created orcs basically as Russians: squat, misshapen, slant eyed, yellow and brown
              >GW places the Emperor's birth in Anatolia and makes his symbol a double eagle
              >Russia constantly wewuzzes as Third Rome

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kriegers aren't just suiciding due to incompetence, they do it because of guilt for the sins of their fathers. Their commissars have to be specially trained not to do something like order a retreat or their men will execute them for suggesting heresy.
          Russians are more like an average guard's unit, they're marched into the meatgrinder and they'll be shot if they try to retreat.
          Steel legion probably fits them best, they're more or less based on the Russians anyways (Soviets, not Imperial Russians or Cossacks, for them you'll want the Vostroyans).

          https://i.imgur.com/FfI95sV.png

          Russians see themselves as the Imperium, when they're actually lame unfunny orks

          So you're saying they're Digganobs?
          Yeah, that fits. Literal Ork cosplayers.

          I think that was a deliberate setup by GW in the lore.
          >Tolkien created orcs basically as Russians: squat, misshapen, slant eyed, yellow and brown
          >GW places the Emperor's birth in Anatolia and makes his symbol a double eagle
          >Russia constantly wewuzzes as Third Rome

          >Tolkien created orcs basically as Russians
          He based them off the Germans mate, they were still the popular bad guys because they had the audacity to lose the Great War and have everything blamed on them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >because they had the audacity to lose the Great War and have everything blamed on them
            more like the one armed emperor with mommy issues went around starting shit until he tore down everything bismarck had set up, too bad he sent germany's reputation into the gutter along with himself

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >an autistic Serb shoots the Archduke
              >Austria-Hungary decides to pacify Serbia as they rightfully should, dealing with the Balkamorons once and for all
              >Russia spergs out and declares war on Austria-Hungary because they're monkeys
              >Germany steps in to defend their allies from Russia
              >France and several other nations declare war on Germany to defend the snowmonkeys as they chimp out over Serbia
              I'm thinking that war was still Russia's fault. I understand France and the others still honoring their wartime agreements as Germany did but a few didn't need to join, Britian got mad because Germany was just moving troops through Belgium to attack France and Italy joined solely to take back territory from previous wars with Austria-Hungary. Kaiser Willy's only fault was being bad at leading. Not a bad guy, just stupid and not suited to leading a nation through a war. He generally wasn't of great tactical or strategic mind, and his aptitutde for diplomacy left him woefully unprepared for the war, given that he believed he was on good terms with France and the UK and they wouldn't attack Germany in a war, only to realize that the diplomats being nice to the German diplomats didn't mean shit for a binding agreement between them. That's about the level of stupid we're talking about, he was borderline naive regarding how politics worked. His son was a far more capable leader in all respects and should have been given the throne.
              Imagine a WW1 where Germany was allowed to totally dismantle Russia without a combined western offensive forcing them to take half-measures. IIRC the idea was setting up several Russian puppet governments that would all be designed to hate the fuck out of each other and seeing themselves as the one true Russian government. Basically let the Russians eternally fight amongst themselves so they never have to plague us with their perpetual bullshit.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >an autistic Serb shoots the Archduke
              >Austria-Hungary decides to pacify Serbia as they rightfully should, dealing with the Balkamorons once and for all
              >Russia spergs out and declares war on Austria-Hungary because they're monkeys
              >Germany steps in to defend their allies from Russia
              >France and several other nations declare war on Germany to defend the snowmonkeys as they chimp out over Serbia
              I'm thinking that war was still Russia's fault. I understand France and the others still honoring their wartime agreements as Germany did but a few didn't need to join, Britian got mad because Germany was just moving troops through Belgium to attack France and Italy joined solely to take back territory from previous wars with Austria-Hungary. Kaiser Willy's only fault was being bad at leading. Not a bad guy, just stupid and not suited to leading a nation through a war. He generally wasn't of great tactical or strategic mind, and his aptitutde for diplomacy left him woefully unprepared for the war, given that he believed he was on good terms with France and the UK and they wouldn't attack Germany in a war, only to realize that the diplomats being nice to the German diplomats didn't mean shit for a binding agreement between them. That's about the level of stupid we're talking about, he was borderline naive regarding how politics worked. His son was a far more capable leader in all respects and should have been given the throne.
              Imagine a WW1 where Germany was allowed to totally dismantle Russia without a combined western offensive forcing them to take half-measures. IIRC the idea was setting up several Russian puppet governments that would all be designed to hate the fuck out of each other and seeing themselves as the one true Russian government. Basically let the Russians eternally fight amongst themselves so they never have to plague us with their perpetual bullshit.

              WW1 was Russia's fault 100%
              The archduke was seen as the coming reformer that would reorganize the ailing austro-hungarian empire, thus when he was murdered the austrians were rightfully pissed. They had good reason to believe that the black hand was supported by elements in the serbian military (newsflash: they were).
              The 'ultimatum' really boiled down to: let us do our own investigation with our own men without your secret police going all DFE. The serbs were about to accept it, when the russians, in their delusions of panslavism told the serbs to reject it. Serbia did not have an alliance with russia. There was no treaty of friendship or something like that.

              Instead of requesting a conference - like how practically every european crisis in the 19th century was solved - the russians forced the austrians to make good on their ultimatum. Austria mobilized, serbia mobilized and it seemed like just a slapdown that was going to happen.

              Then russia mobilized. This was the act that essentially started ww1. Germany - austria's ally - immediately grabbed their best plans to deal with russia from their shelves: the west-first, schlieffen plan. The rest you know.

              On a panslavic whim, the russian foreign minister threw the entire continent into a cataclysmic war that ended european world supremacy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >(newsflash: they were).
                it wasn't and there is absolutely zero proof

                >The 'ultimatum' really boiled down to: let us do our own investigation with our own men without your secret police going all DFE.

                absolutely not

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it wasn't and there is absolutely zero proof
                They were literally funded by the Serbian government and had active military member's in it's ranks. Jesus christ.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except, Serbs who agreed to 9 out of 10 points from the ultimatum offered to deal with the rejected tenth point ( the one designed to be rejected by AH so that ultimatum can be used as casus belli ) at a European conference, which prompted Kaiser Wilhelm II to exclaim how AH no longer has a reason for war. AH went to war anyway.

                The archduke was universally hated, even among Hungarians who enjoyed full rights but were looked down upon in the country, let alone conquered Serbs in Bosnia who didn't want rights in yet another empire, but independence and unification with their mother country. Fatty deserved the bullet and it's ridiculous to blame the war on anyone else.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wait till you read about the meyerling affair.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok vlah. Serbia orchestrated the murder of an AH royal, ofc the demands were going to be serious they didnt have to reject them. Further the "serbs" in Bosnia were given full legally protections within in the AH empire and them wanting to join "their" motherland is equal to donbabwe and luganda wanting to join Russia. The serbs werent the only group within Bosnia and werent even the most significant. Why would any Croat or Bosniak want to join a shithole like 1910s Serbia compared to the relatively democratic and developed AH. This is the same cope and tactic all you vatniks use. A bunch of migrant peasant workers should not masturbate about joining their shitland. And you vlahs kept doing it again chimping out because of your minorities that were no way threatened and emigrated to those areas because of a better standard of living and you keep fucking yourselves over becoming the pariah of europe.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well you got your ass kicked by the "vatnik migrant peasant vlah workers from 1910s Serbia shithole" in that war so no, you cope, seethe and fume like you are currently doing
                >Vlah
                Never heard a non-Bosnian use that insult, so did your grandfather tell you that story about how he was being used as literal cannon fodder in the army of the empire that saw him as a third-tier subhuman?
                Or was he never able to because his bones are still lying somewhere on Cer, Srem, or Drina?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im a slovenian. Everyone knows you are vlahs and I dunno bro what you were doing on Corfu then. But yeah we do remember how half of Serbia was raped and crucified and tbh it wasnt enough. Lucky anglo fish people saved your ass.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Incredible dude, glad you remember Corfu.
                Do you also remember your Slovene delegation there choking on the dick of our king so that they are included in the liberation plans instead of just Serb-populated areas?
                Or did your history teacher skip that one for you like it skipped that vlachs are a made-up ethnic group created to designate Romanians within the Kingdom of SHS to weaken territorial claims of the Kingdom of Romania and have nothing to do with Serbs?

                >I dunno bro what you were doing there
                Ask Bulgarians. Austro-Hungary (smile, you are on camera) was so incompetent not even the help of Germans on their front was enough to break us.

                >But yeah we do remember how half of Serbia was raped and crucified
                In another thread, you will be crying about how Serbian barbarians raped and killed poor Squiptars and innocent Bosnian Muslims!!! 🙁

                >Im a slovenian
                In b4 w-w-we loved shining horseshoes in the empire, Serbs conquered us and ruined everything!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The vlah....hes afraid. It must hurt losing your big brother like this. Yeah you sure are world conquerers, lost a war against us in 10 days, then lost to a bunch of croat femboys and bosnian hillbillys. You cant even get Kosovo back and it at your doorstep. Post a thread when you can afford to buy some milk so you dont have to drain your national bimbos.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Immediate retreat to other subjects while proclaiming victory through clenched teeth
                Are you sure you are Slovene and not a Russian?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah Its just that theres no point arguing with your vatnik tier copes. Its just your version of we wuz in berlin we will be in washington. Hope youre HATOs next target.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The difference is very small.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bro, Serbia was neutralized in 1915.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hungarians objected the war, but germans convinced Franz to yolo anyway.
                Fucking germs, why do they have to suck at war?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, he didn't base them off any European, he fought in the wars sure, so there is a hint of that. But I don't think he specifically though of the Germans as orks, he was too well read about history to only use his own experiences, and too adaptive of history from other periods.
            Arguably he did however use his war experience to influence his feelings of war, comparing it to his young idealistic view of wars of history and the greying of his green hometown.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All wrong. The LOTR races are as follows:
            > humans represent Anglo-Saxons, Central Europeans, and Northern Italians
            > Hobbits are Celtic peoples
            > Elves are Northern Germanic
            > Orcs are Russians, Turks, Hungarians and other Eastern invasive types
            > Goblins are Southern Italians

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Weren't the Elves the Brits and the others like Hobbits and humans meant to represent the peoples of Europe affected by the war? It wouldn't make a lot of sense to make the Orks as the Russians when they were fighting on the same side, the Great War sort of drowned out a lot of previous military blunders like that time the Baltic fleet attacked British fishing trawlers they mistook as Japanese PT boats (and only achieved like a 2/3 KD ratio, killing an Orthodox priest and two Russian sailors due to friendly fire)

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Weren't the Elves the Brits and the others like Hobbits and humans meant to represent the peoples of Europe affected by the war? It wouldn't make a lot of sense to make the Orks as the Russians when they were fighting on the same side, the Great War sort of drowned out a lot of previous military blunders like that time the Baltic fleet attacked British fishing trawlers they mistook as Japanese PT boats (and only achieved like a 2/3 KD ratio, killing an Orthodox priest and two Russian sailors due to friendly fire)

              Rohan was meant to symbolise Britain if it had a large Calvary segment, which he thought the brits could have been successful with.
              Don't try and fit anything else into it, he only cared for Britain and the British.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the orks were football chavs all along

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Goblins are Southern Italians
              Southern Italians invented civilization

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Brown hands typed this post

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                tanned, i go outside

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Persians, Egyptians and Greeks are Southern Italians now?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Tolkien explicitly stated (in his foreword to LOTR) that Middle Earth is not allegorical to anything, and rejects the projections of others' politics onto his creation. The idea Orcs are Germans and Middle Earth is no man's land are post-Tolkien and all made up. Dude just wrote a big story with all cool different intelligent races and shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tyranids, but the hive mind has brain damage.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is coming perilously close to the Zelinsky is Ironman, Putin is Lex Luther line of vatnik piss take.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Vatniks have lost the overview over their coping strategies months ago.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That loadout for the knight is wrong, there is no imperial knight with such an loadout and probably tech-heresy

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's Knight Despoiler

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, the Ukrainians are still using mostly Soviet gear.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What the fuck are even second rate NATO weapons that fucking overpowered??
    Yes. Imagine if Aliens went to war with us and started lobbing asteroids at Earth's military bases, while not even the US Army is being able to hit their asteroid launchers sitting in the Kuiper belt. That's how Buttniks feel about HIMARS.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      worry not
      Japan will save us from asteroid bombardment with the space battleship Yamato

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's wrong though. Russia is genuinely has better deep strike capabilities than ukraine, it had them before himars it has them after. Of any kind even, from air based to ground ones, from super long to close ones, much further distance and bigger payloads. Even with all the western shit thrown at ukraine russia is STILL has considerable technological advantage.
      It's all about how they utilize it, and considering that most calibrs hit some empty barns in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, they don't do it very well.
      In fact, if you do a little thought experiment where you swap all the iron ukies and russians had, we would be already talking about fights for the ural mountains probably.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia has better capabilities
        Anon, the numbers that drunk Russians crying into glasses of Vodka scribble onto weapon documents as sales pitches for their overseas shipments are not accurate enough to actually be true for all of their fucking military. Russia has repeatedly and constantly showed, that they have absolute wretched garnage for equipment, from grift, lack of maintenance, poor design, and just plain lies. If you swapped the Ukraine and Russia arsenals, Ukraine would immediately have keeled over 3 days into the conflict because all their ammo had been sold for vodka, and their food had botulism in it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >weapon can do x because paper said so
        Max range does not mean max effective range, nor does it mean you can hit anything at that range. Real world vs make believe. Many such cases.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not really, they just have very good intel.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukranians are literally falling into a trap, they are being encircled and will be blasted with superior artillery. This "offensive" is the beginning of the end for Ukraine, they could have kept the majority of their country but they got greedy and will lose everything.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Meds now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think you understand who's encircling whom here.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      must be inconvenient not having plumbing huh?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they could have kept the majority of their country but they got greedy and will lose everything
      it's funny how even your cope reveals your true intentions

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >will be blasted with superior artillery
      Post pics of ammo dumps.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      stay in your bunker and avoid the sun light Pavel, the truth might kill you

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia apparently took Kodema, after x weeks of trying. Very impressive.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah, now they'll have to give those troops a nice Izyum deployment as a reward for their hard work.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most of the top 20 military powers of the last 500 years are either NATO or NATO aligned.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my fav part is that ukrainians are simultaneously winning purely because of american/NATO weaponry and selling all the weaponry they get and not actually using it, according to Z shills

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish ukrainians would pause for a moment.
    For last few days i have been erect almost constantly due to amount of rekt russians and my penis is startig to hurt.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia/USSR makes propaganda claim of having amazing high tech weapon to scare NATO
    >it's actually just a mockup or the real thing isn't nearly as capable as claimed or only exists in very limited numbers
    >NATO takes claim seriously and actually develops even better weapon that works

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's literally the story of the F15

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what f15 was trying to one up?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The MiG-25.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          MiG-25. The USAF were absolutely horrified and thought it was a super-fighter when they got some first radar readings of it in action and assorted fractured information.

          In actuality, it was "just" a very good purpose-built interceptor and fast recon/strike bomber that was compeltely unsuited for air superiority missions.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ironically the MiG-25 was successful at its intended job: not one American strategic bomber ever flew over the USSR. It just spawned the F-14, F-15, B-1B, and a general doctrinal shift to low radar visibility that culminated in the AGM-88 and stealth planes.

            Oops.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >get slightly moved by russian vehicle
      >spend a gregillion dollars on a better version just in case

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you remember the daily threads out how Russia could invade the EU if the USA did not exist? Anyone remember the two threads a day from Russians who assumed they could invade Europe and no one could stop them? You must remember that. They did it here for YEARS.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shit, everyone was a Russoboo until April 2022 and not just on PrepHole. Russian international propaganda did a good job of putting up front and center the image of the hard, rugged Russian soldier equipped with hard, rugged Russian gear. Now we know publicly they're a bunch of neglected conscript boys with 30+ year old equipment and supplies that in the off chance they actually work, they don't work nearly as well as Russia says they do. They also didn't learn any of the lessons about logistics that they've been experiencing the hard way since the fucking 19th century.

      It really makes me wonder if the absolute clobbering Saddam's forces got in the gulf war was a sign of things to come when it comes to the US and NATO formally arrayed against Kremlin-armed forces. I know that 1990s Iraq is not Russia. But you look at a Western military that is well trained, maintained, and equipped against one that wasn't, on a level of parity we're seeing with the Russian forces in Ukraine today and I can't help but imagine a direct conflict would be an un-mitigable slaughter for them (shit, it practically already is). Technological advantage is not just "I do what you do but a bit better", it's "I kill you without giving you the chance to do anything about it." Their ONLY option would be to nuke. And I wonder how much of their arsenal is operational, and what Western forces have that can neutralize it. It's not like everyone pretended nukes weren't a thing any more after 1991.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ultimately it's going to rely on laser weapon defenses, I think. Not much else can stop a short range low-angle missile.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What happens to earth when a bunch of nukes get blasted by lasers in the atmosphere? Just dead birds?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well the fissile material doesn't vanish so it's likely they'll cause a bit of a "dirty bomb" problem unless they land in water.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not much. Before ICBMs the main nuclear threat were bombers. And USA tested a nuke for air defense against bomber formations (a smoller one but by no means Davy crocket small) that detonated high off the ground above some solders . No fallout. Blast is not directed by the ground so less blast. Too far away to do much but give you a couple of x rays. No emp as well

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/JtJzGR5.jpg

          Shit, everyone was a Russoboo until April 2022 and not just on PrepHole. Russian international propaganda did a good job of putting up front and center the image of the hard, rugged Russian soldier equipped with hard, rugged Russian gear. Now we know publicly they're a bunch of neglected conscript boys with 30+ year old equipment and supplies that in the off chance they actually work, they don't work nearly as well as Russia says they do. They also didn't learn any of the lessons about logistics that they've been experiencing the hard way since the fucking 19th century.

          It really makes me wonder if the absolute clobbering Saddam's forces got in the gulf war was a sign of things to come when it comes to the US and NATO formally arrayed against Kremlin-armed forces. I know that 1990s Iraq is not Russia. But you look at a Western military that is well trained, maintained, and equipped against one that wasn't, on a level of parity we're seeing with the Russian forces in Ukraine today and I can't help but imagine a direct conflict would be an un-mitigable slaughter for them (shit, it practically already is). Technological advantage is not just "I do what you do but a bit better", it's "I kill you without giving you the chance to do anything about it." Their ONLY option would be to nuke. And I wonder how much of their arsenal is operational, and what Western forces have that can neutralize it. It's not like everyone pretended nukes weren't a thing any more after 1991.

          I don't want to be too flippant because even one working nuke can represent a seven digit death toll, but I really suspect that Russia has about as many working nukes as it does Su-57s or T-14s

          Britain and France each spend about $6 billion a year just keeping ~200 nukes functional, there's no fucking way Russia is that diligent

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Britain and France each spend about $6 billion
            That does not mean $6 billion is true price, 50% of that are corporate profits and provisions so realistic price of keep up is probably half of that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody actually believed that shit, the reason people shit on the vatniks so much is because a couple of shills and trolls kept making shitty claims about Russian gear over and over. Meanwhile we knew
      >The Armata was a parade show tank
      >Su-57 was a technology demonstrator
      >Their modernization attempts were shit in comparison to Western troops (but interesting nonetheless)
      Nobody was scared of a Russian invasion and anybody that looked at any of the forces that could be committed would have realized that Poland with some logistical support would halt the Russians at their borders if push came to shove.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's utter shit really, this war is fought with soviet weapons.
    nato trash is just horrible, out of tens thousands of pieces or nlaw, javeline, stinger we have maybe 5 videos with kills.
    Burgers are not sending shit that works good like tow because they don't want for Kyiv hunta to win, war has to be kept in fragile balance so it can drag on forever which was always endgame for democrats and Hillary.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You tell it like it is, Cleetus.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      NLAW helped push them off Kyiv cause every single fucker had one so they were losing tanks to fucking infantry more than they were killing infantry.
      I would argue they basically used all the ones the UK and Sweden were willing to spare at this point, which was almost half of the arsenal. An it was a slow production line meant to deal with Russian armour alongside other AT. Then Kyiv collapsed.
      The problem they had was the NLAWs and Javelins were the only non-Ukrainian AT at the time for a while. Now other AT has arrived, the NLAWs are mostly spent we'll see more of them.

      I have seen about 11 videos of NLAW firings, though perhaps 5 hits, the problem with footage, a lot of claimed kill footage though.
      I have seen less Javelin footage till the last few months where they started out stripping NLAW videos in number, and they were steadily increasing in videos till recently. I would say about 20+ videos now, though only about 7 were before July.
      II have seen a handfull of German and Swedish older AT
      I will say, the videos from Ukrainian Skif or Stuhna-P are online a lot, but they have the advantage of being able to film in cover, and with a laptop that can attach a recording hard drive.
      I have rarely seen any AA from the west, though arguably some of it is siting in front of cities as missile defence. I have seen a few SS/martlet firings, maybe one stinger. A couple pioruns and Russian stuff.

      The video footage is almost directly correlated to the number of them in the field. Shut the fuck up about effectiveness if you're not actually there to compare them.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What the fuck are even second rate NATO weapons that fucking overpowered??
    The West is overpowered

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    reminder this was russian propaganda

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      whats this

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia's greatest nightmare. Ukraine having a white boyfriend.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will to fight. Ukraine has it. Germany most likely would not has it. Do not underestimate such an obvious thing

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry about it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's Conan O'Brien and Andy Richter doing in that picture?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Money, political power, and logistics give you an unfair advantage in war.
      Oh nooo...guys, we cheated at war...I can't believe Russia are the true victor because they're losing so badly.

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