What tactical or operational advantages does the ATACMS have over other HIMARS missiles?
What tactical or operational advantages does the ATACMS have over other HIMARS missiles?
What tactical or operational advantages does the ATACMS have over other HIMARS missiles?
200km range and increased payload. Russia therefore has to move stockpiles even further back making it harder to supply frontline units. 200km also puts most or all of Crimea in range, so any Russian outposts there that they've been using to support the black sea fleet or air assets can be targeted.
300 km*
I can’t wait to see the results of supply hub strikes with these things. You know they’ve learned nothing from HIMARS and stocking everything in fuckhuge piles other than putting supplies further away, it’s gonna be serious hell on their logistics soon.
It has longer range.
Higher speed, larger distance and more pounds of democracy in a single package. Simple as.
a 2 FT explosion = 2 freedom tonnes
it attacks 'em
Everything that has been out of the range of HIMARS has now been put on notice. This includes central rail depots, large command points and training centers, but most importantly; Crimea is now well within striking distance.
Check'em
I had a friend named Diggus Bickus. WHY ARE YOU LAUGTHING?
Kinda wish they just sent them quietly and "announced" them by blowing up 50 ammo dumps in one night. Why give them notice?
Because the logistical nightmare it creates when Russia now has to scramble to adapt their supply lines, which cost nothing and makes for easily observable traffic to track to/from logistics hubs.
>Everything that has been out of the range of HIMARS has now been put on notice
Stormshadows tho.
BUT! It being launchable from HIMARS is added capability since stormshadow is airlaunched.
and there is a bigger stock of ATACMS by a country that has higher industrial capability to replace them
They don't have 200km of back lines to move their artillery depots to in the south. They just hit the Black Sea.
Can't wait for some fresh footage of these things hitting ammo depots
You can CV snipe from across the map.
Without the points from holding Crimea the Russians aren't going to be able to reinforce. With their FOBs already drained they were surviving by bringing in fresh LOG trucks, which they won't be able to do anymore.
>Russian "logistics" just had to pull back even further
>Tokmak now can get smothered
Unironically I feel for the Ukrainian citizens in that city. Russian organizational skills are so shit that they're in danger from their own countrymen off the sheer incompetence of the Ziggers.
Digits.
They have been scorched earthing settlements they abandon, anon.
You will probably see more logistical hubs getting glassed like you did a year ago.
And ATACMS are limited in supply so they're likely to be saved for the big dumps instead of just going fuck this one guy in particular.
That blows. Hope they got their targets already picked out.
GLSDB are due this fall as well, so Ukraine can use it to service most targets, including open-air ammo dumps, within 150km range. That way they can save the ATCAMS for what it was made for, things like large fuel depots, hardened targets and infrastructure.
Anyone know why these GLSDB are taking so long to be ready? I thought the whole point was that they were easy to make like just bolting old bombs on a smart glider.
The SDBs already have the glide hardware, they just needed to be bolted to rockets that were about to be disposed of.
I heard that the old rockets had to get inspected because as the fuel grain ages it can crack and shift.
>ATACM
It attacks mobicks, it’s in the name.
more range, tradeoff is number of projos per load /thread
jesus christ lol
I'm of the mind we've been holding them back as a bargaining chip to keep russia from going after iranian ballistic missiles. now that they're courting the norks I can see them being released if they actually get arms from em
>all major Black See Fleet ports in range
ITS OGRE
ruh roh
Now after lake nato, we get sea BBC
Bridge's about to be kerch'd.
Man that is beautifull. I can't wait for the videos.
just keep in mind this range is from the data available to the public; the US loves to sandbag themselves so the actual range could be vastly more
>Putin’s kitschy mansion is inside that circle
>goodbye Kerchy
>I'm flying flying flying flying over you
How will they compete against Russian air defence? Please no meme/bait/Vatnik/oblast answers
Ukies have only used GMLRS and western SPGs for two things in the past few months: total artillery death and total air defence death. Russian AD network has degraded so much that at this point waves of shitty drone planes can fly in waves all over crimea. ATACMS won't have issues getting through either
It seems to me that the older DPICM-carrying ATACMS would be ideal for wiping out AD sites that protect the other potential ATACMS targets. In a few months we might see ATACMS "strike packages" kind of like the GMLRS volleys they shot at a bridge a while back to get through the respective AD. 2 M39s per SAM site(in case one gets shot down), paving a path for the M48/M57s to schwack the primary target.
There won’t be supply fireworks as Russia had dispersed supply depots and no longer stacks them in open-air piles a block away from a train station. I doubt Ukraine would waste ATACMS on these small supply caches; instead they’ll go after C4 sites (those which haven’t been dug in too deeply anyway), rail stations and any other transport hubs / motor pools etc. RuAF positions have largely dispersed - partly due to tactics and partly due to poor organization. There’s simply not many targets WORTH an ATACMS and if there’s any which are (ie Kerch bridge) they’re going to be invariably attrited by AD.
IF Biden actually releases them which he hasn’t yet. I don’t know if his Impeachment hearing drama will have any impact on that. Maybe he’ll forget about the ATACMS, maybe he won’t, maybe he’ll wag the dog and order in the Army. Stay tuned I guess.
This is good cope
I like it, you're good at it
Now do some about the Crimea bridge
>Russia had dispersed supply depots and no longer stacks them in open-air piles a block away from a train station.
I'm pretty sure they just moved them out of HIMARS range. We were seeing fireworks from depots going up even just a few months ago.
>We were seeing fireworks from depots going up even just a few months ago.
Weeks. Crime had a bunch of exploding ammo dumps just a few weeks ago.
>Impeachment hearing drama
The next nothing burger/chug/ will cling desperately to.
>I don’t know if his Impeachment hearing drama will have any impact on that. Maybe he’ll forget about the ATACMS, maybe he won’t, maybe he’ll wag the dog and order in the Army.
It's not like he's the one making decisions. Also the impeachment will go nowhere, so none of this is going to have an impact plus or minus on the ATACMS deal
biden doesn't hold any power this is irrelevant
>HIMARS missiles
This needs to fucking die a death. HIMARS has no unique missiles and in a battlefield like Ukraine has no advantages over M270 as it's less survivable and carries half the missiles.
HIMARS was made for force projection, so you could move it strategically around the world on planes more easily than M270.
It is using the same missiles as m270 that have been around for decades.
>This needs to fucking die a death
Only once they stop making vatniks die gruesome deaths.
m270 is less comfy to say, if it wants to be famous it'll have to change its name to double himars
Call it GMLRS then. At least then when you say GMLRS missiles you're correct, because that's what the family is called.
>in a battlefield like Ukraine has no advantages over M270 as it's less survivable and carries half the missiles
It's faster on road, cheaper to operate and half the capacity isn't that much of a drawback if you're using it for individual precision fires and can't afford to let loose full salvos anyway, the M270 has its advantages but they're less applicable for the Ukrainian theater. But agreed, "HIMARS missiles" needs to fucking die as a term.
>m270
Looks goofy and retarded; 0 meme potential.
>HIMARS
Looks epic and sick; infinite meme potential.
Why are you acting like such a sperg anon? Are you the kind of guy that also gets mad over people calling suppressors silencers, magazines clips and shotgun shells bullets? People call it a HIMARS because that's the system carrying out the mission
pic unrelated
Neither ATACMS or Storm Shadow is produced anymore and both are being phased out, so cost doesn't matter. The only advantage I see is that you don't need a jet to launch anymore.
Is this really that much of a deal? The US doesn't have that many of them which, I think, was the reason it took them so long to decide. Or am I wrong?
>The US doesn't have that many of them which
Over three thousand.
>The US doesn't have that many of them
I guarantee you that the US is under representing their stockpile
>The US doesn't have that many of them
Someone in the Pentagon will get a new desk and find 500 ATACMS behind his old one.
>ATACMS
>atac'ms
>attack 'em
i can't stop seeing it
i don't know if it was intentional but whoever did it, fuck them but also good job.
unrelated, does anyone have that reaction image of the ghoul pole that is happy at least the Russians were nuked as well? Fucking lost it somehow
in a few weeks in Crimea
>the bridge with be blown up by ATACMS
>more ships will be destroyed
>most fuel and ammo depots gone
>cold winter will start
Mon Empereur, looks like it's happening again.
Range and payload.
People talk about ATACMS and the Crimean Bridgr all the time, frankly that should be secondary.
Look at pic related. It's Berdyansk airport from a few days ago, about 100km from the front lines, just out of GMLRS range. At any given time there are 15 - 40 helicopters at this air base, including a sizeable number of KA-52's, 33% of the fleet having already been destroyed thus far.
ATACMS was fucking designed to hit targets like this. Considering the US is giving Ukraine cluster munitions out the wazoo, there's a very good chance they could be sent ATACMS Block I(A) filled with cluster bomblets which were slated to be scrapped or converted to unitary warheads.
Personally, I think it would be better to give Ukraine ER-GMLRS with the AW (Tungston ball) warhead for Berdyansk, but ATACMS is a good alternative. They need to send it to Ukraine faster than Russia can fly the helicopter fleet out of there though, quite literally announce Ukraine will receive ATACMS, and a few moments later a HIMARS/M270 operator is firing it.
Also recall the S-400 complex targeted by a Neptune a few weeks ago. Look how tightly packed the whole system is. The test range ATACMS was used on almost looks 1:1 to this. Had ATACMS cluster bomblets been used on this complex, the entire S-400 battery in pic related would have been destroyed, not just 2 TEL's.
Was it struck by a Neptune?
Ukrainian news sources claim the GUR confirmed it was a Neptune. Shame they couldn't modify it to dispense cluster bomblets.
I really don't understand why you would do this. it seems like the worst possible way of setting up a SAM battery. the only thing it is is convenient.
The russian is a lazy and stupid beast anon
I know, but you'd think getting buttfucked by cruise missiles would induce them to maybe make use of the innate ability of those Sam systems to be sites out.
Some test footage for reference
Keep going anon I'm almost there
Don't forged to include GLSDB in the strike. I really hope the US does not openly announce the supply of GLSDB and ATACMS and that they give them enough to destroy an entire airbase or two for their debut.
Either way I am not expecting any Russian helicopter bases in Ukraine by the end of this year.
Yeah GLSDB will be fun to spam, insane that 400,000 M26 Motors will still be left over if all 17,000 GBU-39 stock were used for GLSDB. One worry I have about GLSDB is its kill radius though, particularly its fragmentation capabilities. The JDAM packs a punch, but if it's off by a few dozen meters, the shockwave might kill meat bags, but not necessarily machines. Guess that's why you spam them.
how much does an account cost to have access to these photos yourself?
Nice try Shoigu.
Each missile fired is the spirt and essence of Reagan striking the vatnik down from beyond the grave with his freedom boner
If the Ukrainians can use ATACMS to target Russian military targets in occupied Ukraine and Crimea it frees up their own drones and missiles for punitive strikes against Russia.
these new missiles are filled with hundred dollar bills and sheet metal screws from home depot.
Assuming the contents of that tweet are true (they're not), it outlines the things that the russians have learned from HIMARS.
>you didn't hit my bases and ammo dumps every single time so the weapon is useless
l-lol?
>people do research:
da cumrad, jimars destroyed
I still can't get over the fact that russians considered towed artillery a "western wunderwaffe" lmao
is that that schizoid blog?
Do you have something more reliable than literally "some dude on twitter said"?
What caused Russains to stop offensive actions last summer?
What offensive?
Are you for real? They were chewing their way from Popasna ,Severodonetsk and Lyman but around the time HIMARS arrived they stopped and never regained momentum.
>Wunderwafe
Anon it's towed artillery
Whatever it is, it has been praised as a game changer by the media and then quietly ignored once Russians started to counter them. That's why the Wunderwaffe bit is ironic.
I think I understand it now, ziggers are calling every delivered western weapon system as a failed wunderwaffe in order to create a narrative that any weapon deliveries are pointless, right?
Anyone with two braincells knows towed or self-propelled artillery is no wunderwaffe but 152 mm ammo shortage in Ukraine has forced them to use western weapons. All it matters is that 155 mm kills russians well, and all data indicates tens of thousands of them died to arty already, regardless of it’s m777, pzh2000, krab or m109.
Sort of but Russia has a poor relationship with truth and reality at best.
>The first stage is to hype up the weapon by claiming it is some kind of massive escalation and threatening to NOOOOOOK. You see this with everything from F-16s to DU tank rounds.
>The second stage comes when the weapon arrives and can be summarized by; "xa xa xa we destroyed 150% of the missiles and 200% of the launchers looks like Western Wunderwaffles are a joke! RUSSIA STRONK!" Or, the 900 angles of a single destroyed Leopard 2.
>The third comes a few months later "Russia hasn't lost yet so those weapons must have just been a waste of time, better not send anymore. Sincerely, Pytor from California Oblast". Concern trolling to try and undermine further support.
Does anyone else pronounce ATACMS "Attack 'Em's"? I have never heard it pronounced, only seen it written.
thatsthejoke.jpg
>steel on steel hits in real life aren't the real world
>this post on substack is
Advantages:
a lot more missiles available
Ground launched
200km range
Disadvantages:
Ballistic missile trajectory
Much smaller warhead and slower travel speed than stormshadow
Cant use penetration aides like MALD
>Cant use penetration aides like MALD
Sure it can, that's just an issue of planning. The commanders that would sign off on such a strike are in charge of multi-service task forces, not ground forces alone.