What Should Saruman have done instead?

Saruman made many mistakes, as was want to his nature. BUT.
>What would you do?
I think with some better decision making we could do a lot better,
For my part I feel that after failing to gain the ring for himself he should have plead for mercy and cooperation from the wise, utilising the significant power of his voice to convince them of his regret, of how his mind was clouded by the dark lord, his force of Uruk-Hai could have been dispatched then not to Rohan, but instead to Dol Guldor against saurons forces camped out in the west and carrying the elves, this in turn would free up elvish forces, once Dol Guldor is dealt with, the force of Uruk-Hai reinforced by the elves which have been freed up would be able.to march east and join up with the allied forces against Mordor.
In this plan I accept that the chance of gaining the ring, at least for now has been lost and that the best immediate gambit would be to play both sides of the board, he could potentially convince Sauron that he is sending his forces to join up with the garrison at Dol Guldor in order to crush the elves and secure the backlines of war as well as remove any possibility of the elves weighing in. It's a pretty solid strategy at least on paper and wouldn't seem that strange and if anything it could lead to the garrison at Dol Guldor opening the gates in welcome and letting the place fall with barely a fight. In this case it might take a moment for Sauron to realise the deception. I would have left some of the Uruk-Hai as garrison at Isengard, just in case. But Isengard is a fortress like few others and could be held by a relativly small force against many times their number. That and I dont anticipate that Sauron would immediately have the forces needed in the places required to bring to bare against Isengard upon learning of the fall of Dol Guldor and sarumans betrayal.
What do you guys think? What would you do?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not kill the israelites

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think Sauron could've taken direct control of the Uruk-Hai in this scenario. Yes, they are loyal to Saruman personally but they are still an 'evil' creation, they wouldn't and couldn't cooperate with elves.

      Interesting view to take, remember that the Orcs were not Saurons creation, he didn't have direct control over them either, but was basically just a tyrant over them, the orca even discuss running around to be bandits instead of serving Sauron.

      I still like girls, so I don't think about that shit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sounds like something a closet-gay would say

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >like girls
        >girls
        FBI notified you fricking creep.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think Sauron could've taken direct control of the Uruk-Hai in this scenario. Yes, they are loyal to Saruman personally but they are still an 'evil' creation, they wouldn't and couldn't cooperate with elves.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting view to take, remember that the Orcs were not Saurons creation, he didn't have direct control over them either, but was basically just a tyrant over them, the orca even discuss running around to be bandits instead of serving Sauron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well whatever the details, a "live and let live" attitude is not present in Middle-Earth, they HATE the elves and would not work with them. Normal Orcs even fought among themselves regularly and as you said Sauron was their tyrant, the only force that kept them somewhat organized. Uruk-Hai are a bit more disciplined but working with the forces of 'good' is out of the question. I think he could seize Dol-guldur for himself (IIRC he always meant to fight Sauron after the elves and Men were dealt with) but this would leave both just even weaker. I think Saruman really did the best of his situation, he almost beat Rohan. But after he was defeated He could've regretted and switched sides instead of becoming some common low bandit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sauron couldn't "take control" of the Balrog. He was not an infinite master of everything evil.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Saruman got all fricked up by using that seeing stone. Pretty sure Sauron was banking that Saruman would eventually try to take control and fight him but by convincing him that supporting the goodies was a loosing choice, Saruman would fight against the goodies with the hope to get the ring, and the goodies would need to direct forces against isegard which frees up space and time. He knew Saruman could potentially get beat by the goodies even if it wasn't guaranteed (ents came and fricked his shit up, dunno if Sauron thought they'd help instead of Rohan). Say Saruman won defending isegard, Sauron knew or was banking on the ring trying to get back to its master before Saruman could get it. But I honestly don't know

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Saruman got all fricked up by using that seeing stone.

      >Gendalf's POV while meeting Saruman

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What Should Saruman have done instead?
    Maybe not betray Eru Ilúvatar and the rest of the Istari for his own selfish reasons. Just a thought.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Middle earth geography is all kinds of moronic.
    >mountain ranges that form a neat little box
    >big river that randomly runs along a mountain range not from it
    >flood plains in the middle of nowhere that connects perpendicular to another river
    IRL Rohan and Gondor would never have allowed Mordor to develop and dominate the mountains surrounding it. They would've tried to at least contest the mountains on their side. It'd be like China or India just ceding the Himalayas and hoping for the best.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      stop crying because his hand was too steady

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ithilien and Minas Morgul used to belong to Gondor but by they lost them

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fiction in where everything is GODS PLAN
    Anon.....

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well first of all he shouldn't have cut down fangorn forest

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he was blinded by his hubris. a wizard should know better. many such cases

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah why the frick would you cut down an ent forest when you are living in the medieval times and everywhere you turn is forests.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but mlord dere is nut enuff fuule to feed da foiars

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what goes wrong for him is he gets BTFOed by some invincible forest giant things two hobbits randomly managed to awaken
    I guess build more fire weapons

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was a double agent, and it's kinda sad that nobody else noticed he was knocking off other wizards. The books kinda implied gandalf was suspicious of him, but the movies glossed over it and just made radagast his informent get shit on by birds and disappear while trying to warn gandalf. Saruman was essentially an angel but was put in a spy master position of the other angels while working both sides. It's really not like that fbi movie where they just didn't figure it out that the guy was a mole. It was kind of like that but saruman was trying to work both sides and wanted to take over. He was hoping to play one side against sauron and then hope the left overs would get mopped up by his minions and defectors after sauron lost would join his side. He stayed true to the plan and still went after and attacked the shire and still tried to do that. There wasn't any ambiguity there. He really expected a balrog or everyone to just join his side after they all lost wars and he was going to be the big swinging dick.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry, I didn't read Harry Potter.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Saruman was straight-up fricked — if he couldn’t get the One Ring then he couldn’t do shit except make a mess. Orthanc simply did not have the resources to support a very large army. He did his best by breeding the Uruk-Hai as Orc upgrades but Orcs are simply inferior to Men and he was situated between two of the strongest nations of Men in Middle-Earth, either of which had the strength to skullfrick his forces. Saruman supplemented his forces with his magic and with Dunlendings but those were lesser Men, not the equal to the Rohan and Gondor ubersmench. Also he had crafted his own ring of power but it was very likely a joke compared to the Elven Rings, forget the One.

    Basically, he couldn’t do shit and only the One Ring may have changed that and even then only if he could master it before getting wrecked by Sauron. Orthanc was very strong but still a joke compared to Barad-dur. If I was Saruman’s general I really wouldn’t know how to win anything beyond one or two battles on our own.

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