What roles would trainer jets be if pressed into service?

What roles would trainer jets be if pressed into service?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Light bomber

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How the hell do they bomb with light?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        great ques, glad you axed 🙂

        primary effect will be when enemy detects bomber from light reflecting off it with their eyes, which makes enemy hunker down in bunker and generally limit themselves out of FUD.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well when they drop Light Yagami into the battlefield, it ignites some really heated discourse in the enemy force.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ground attack
    Toss bombing
    Dying

    In other words, most VKS sortie profiles.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As, get this: trainers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This guy volunteers to lead the first kamikaze wave. He's too shy and modest to say it himself, so I'll say it for him.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Get this. IF pressed into service

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you're pressing your trainers into combat then you've already lost the war. Just ask the Japs

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ok still wondering what the roles would be

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            …ask the Japs

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Desperate

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Quit being a killjoy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                there are plenty of real answers, you only care about this anon because you WANT to be mad

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Realistically in a total war scenario an air force would conscript/stop-loss all of its retired or discharged fighter jocks, and cross train transport aviators to fighters or fighter bombers/bombers.

      Advanced subsonic trainers usually use turbines that are better suited in helicopters or large drones OR they use a non afterburning variant of a fighter engine

      Most advanced trainers can be readily armed for light CAS and A2A point defense with IR missiles - don't even need a radar when you have GCI. Advanced trainers would get used up in the total war until new ones that use COTS engines in production get designed.

      Fighter production would be in full swing anyway and vastly more important, basic trainers aren't going anywhere because prop, and civilian/commercial jets can be impressed into jet trainer service (like how they'll be impressed into supply).
      The pipeline for fighter pilots gets shortened and simulators and dual seat fighter jets take up the mantle.
      This won't be a US problem though more like a 2nd world one, thr US has enough T-38's and boneyard F-5's to blot out the sun

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you're in a war where you need to use trainer jets you will probably have already launched nukes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This, if this are getting desperate enough you are even considering this you are losing pilots faster than you can train them and need those trainers training.
      Looks at every major air war ever and you quickly notice fighter production isn't the bottleneck.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You won't need to train new pilots if you're running out of planes anyway.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Doing barrel rolls

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Morale boost~

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Last of line air defence

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      these days its all about the missile, not the jet, and figure its all directed by AWACS or even satellite.

      so a trainer can be just as good as nth gen super jet.

      all that matters is 'just showing up' so trainer will be better and not a hanger queen or budget buster, with more pilots.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        trainers could do lite ASW and "last tanker/first tanker" to service real jets just outside combat zones without putting big tanker at risk.

        put lite combat trainers on cat-rails and mount on helo-decks of frigates sorta like how UK did in WW2

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >these days its all about the missile, not the jet
        nope
        still need the jet kinematics to help the missile along

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For third world countries, it's their main frontline fighter that will get rekt in seconds by real fighter jets

    For first world countries, last line of air defense and they have more utility as trainers for new pilots

    In WW2 the Allies can churn out a new pilot in like 2 weeks while the Axis can do it in like 3 weeks

    I wonder how fast can you train someone with a F-16/F-35/Su-30

    Most modern fighter pilots go from simulator -> prop basic Cessna -> simulator -> jet trainer -> simulator -> fighter jet

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      More like
      >classroom>simulator>ultralight>basic prop trainer>medium jet trainer>AJT>LIFT/FTC/OCU>single seat fighter trainer

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What's the difference between AJT and LIFT? I thought they're the same thing?

        Also what's the difference between OCU/FTC?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          LIFT aircraft is basically AJT with more advanced radar, mission computer, HUD that can simulate an actual fighter jet. In essence, all LIFT are AJT but not all AJT are LIFT

          OCU are basically 2-seated fighter jet that retainsmost(if not all) of the single seat fighter jet capability. They're mostly there to train an otherwise already experienced pilot for that specific fighter plane, for example a Tornado pilot might gonna spend some time on a 2-seater Typhoon for familiarization purpose.

          FTC is a nerfed version of an actual fighter aircraft back when LIFT didn't exist, usually lacking tracking radar and only equipped with radio and simple ranging radar

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is Finland and Sweden a third world country?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Is Finland and Sweden a third world country?
        Up until very recently, yes. They were third world countries for the same reason as Switzerland is a "third world country"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Any country that isn't America is third world. The blight of foreigners is the bane of every American.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How would an F/A-50 do with an AESA radar and Meteor's.

      Would it still get wrecked if it was going up against a thirdie airforce (MiG-29's, older Flankers etc)?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Those migs aren't t going to stay still and get shot. Older migs and su-30 could also fire BVR missiles

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Meteor and AESA would give it see first/shoot first against anything that doesn't have an R37M.

          Flankers/MiG's could evade Meteor's at a distance with limited success - but I have a feeling the deterrence would be enough.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Your whole thought process is based on flawed and downright wrong assumptions
            >none of current FA-50 are BVR capable. Meanwhile most, if not all Mig-29 and Su-27 are BVR capable from the get go
            >Block 20 version of FA-50 will use american made AESA radar so good luck asking Raytheon to integrate Meteor. Besides neither Poland or Malaysia (expected users of FA-50 block 20) would waste their money trying to integrate Meteor on what is essentially their second line fighter.
            >Even with AMRAAM there's no guarantee these migs or flankers would fly without countermeasures (chaff/flares). Once these planes goes into within visual mode the faster, more maneuverable migs and flankers (that are usually equipped with IRST so they have another things going for them) would massacre these tiny little trainer

            It's not like nobody tried it before. During the balkan war serbia sent a squadron of their shitty trainer/light attack planes to go toe to toe with a couple of F-16s. Guess with side got shot to hell?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Pinoy terrorists are pathetic, they literally do not count.

              Come back when they're bombing battle hardened Middle Easterners or drug cartels.

              Imagine being beaten by a literal trainer jet lol.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >you have to launch Meteors to be BVR capable
              FA-50s can launch AMRAAMs
              >countermeasures
              you're assuming countermeasures automatically negate AMRAAMs, which is a rather pajeet thing to say
              >Once these planes goes into within visual mode
              air combat is not a video game, kid
              >massacre
              big word, little turdie

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >BVR issue
                Comprehension
                >you're assuming countermeasures automatically negate AMRAAMs
                You're also assuming countermeasures wouldn't do nothing against AMRAAMs, which is a rather Black person thing to say
                >air combat is not a video game, kid
                It's also not a computer simulation, neckbeard
                >big word, little turdie
                Pic related. The notion of trainer having fighting chance against actual jet planes is ridiculous

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                your ESL betrays you, shitskin
                >bbbbut Banja Luka
                NATO pilots and tech cannot be compared with serbshits flying monkeymodel Soviet tech

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >b-but banja luka didn't count b-because I say so

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lmao only flip and Black person use trainer as their frontline fighter jet

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >see first
            unlikely because the antenna is tiny and a small platform has power and cooling restrictions
            >Meteor
            there are no plans to integrate meteors, even AMRAAM integration is uncertain so far
            >shoot first
            only with Meteor/JATM integration, see previous point
            >anything that doesn't have an R37M
            over 200 fighters can carry it and act as escorts, not very good odds

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nobody is putting Meteor into an Alphajet

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              WTF not?

              related: Mercedes Benz and BMW etc are on the ropes because all the new fancy shit is same shit as can be slapped on a Kia, and it all cums from same factory in China or Korea. And that includes shit like active-suspension.

              Its kinda like a $400 new hunting rifle is just as good for 99.99% of shooters as a $4000 rifle.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                unless all they do is truck the Meteor up and get target information from an AWACS, the puny radar in an Alphajet can't see far enough to target a Meteor
                Heck, the French versions (pure trainers) don't even HAVE a radar

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                isn't the alpha jet radar just ground level detection for the targeting computer

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                correct, the German version was retrofitted with a Doppler radar, since it's a basic CAS platform

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >get target information from an AWACS
                that would be The Plan

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                that would be a level of desperation similar to Ukrainians firing HARMs from iPads

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There are introductory trainers like Cessna, basic trainers like T-34, subsonic/advanced jet trainers like Hawk, and supersonic/advanced trainers like the T-38.
      Lead in fighter training is usually conducted by supersonic trainers or dual seat combat aircraft.

      Supersonic and advanced trainers are more likely to be used in combat then a basic trainer like a PC-7 as they can do point defense a2a and light CAS

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    training and shooting down drones or missiles far away from the frontline, anything else is too dangerous

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For cute little basic jet trainers there are 2 scenarios:

    firstly countries with arms limitations on combat aircraft like Finland that use Hawks as light attack aircraft and IR only day fighters.

    The 2nd scenario is a normal airforce that's in a total war/all hands on deck situation where they are used for the same purposes. This is also the time when the 2 seater aircraft in OCU squadrons are turned over for combat and when you see a Mirage F1B and shit yourself because the pilot will be a QFI who will eat your ass in BFM.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not every two seater variant of a real fighter is a trainer. The backseat is often for a WSO.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the ones in operational training squadrons usually are tho la. Even actually 2 seater aircraft like the Phantom had version with dual controls instead of a RIO/NAV pit.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Air targets for the enemy and flying coffins.
    >https://x.com/journaIite/status/1789002122601652359
    Pic and tweet related.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Light Bomber. They aren’t good fighters depending on the anti aircraft situation could be a CAS

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    in Poland fa-50 is planned to be used as light air superiority fighter over friendly territory
    so basically additional layer of air defence

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    isn't this how that war in the pacific started?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      F-5s are so cute.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    for 3rd world countries: fighter/attacker
    for 1st world countries: trainers still

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FA-50s have already bombed ISIS.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pinoy terrorists are pathetic, they literally do not count.

      Come back when they're bombing battle hardened Middle Easterners or drug cartels.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Tell me how that changes how they get shredded by bombs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You now know Iraq aso used TA-50IQ (basically FA-50 sans Israel made radar) to bomb ISIS

        Tell me how that changes how they get shredded by bombs

        Difference is actual ISIS have access to manpads and heavy guns (ZSUs, KPV) IQAF didn't exactly have free reign to drop bombs without guys on the ground doing their part. Also didn't flip AF fricking bombed their own men, twice?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The air force bombing friendlies is a tale as old as time. The US bombed Brits and Canadians plenty of times during the GWOT.

          https://i.imgur.com/mQpfjp3.jpeg

          What roles would trainer jets be if pressed into service?

          I am pretty sure the Argies used some trainers as attack aircraft during the Falklands war. It didn't go well.

          Everyone has said it already but they can do just fine as CAS craft against poorly armed insurgents and they could be used to intercept cruise missiles and drones in friendly airspace. I imagine some of them could also be pressed into service as bomb trucks for lobbing Stormshadows or whatever.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The A-10 has an excellent track record of shredding subjects of the British crown. George Washington would be proud.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Light bomber/strike aircraft. If things really get bad, kamikazes

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    trainer looks the same at F-22 on enemy radar, more or less.

    FUD

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    iirc in the 1980s the UK had some BAe Hawks on interceptor duty. The idea was that you'd pair them up with a Tornado, which could use its significantly better radar to direct the Hawks to targets. I'm not sure to what extent this was a serious war-plan though - it has the feeling of something invented by government officials to paper over the gaps between desired capability and existing budgets.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That was due to lighting being long in the tooth and ADV version of tornado wasn't ready yet. It's not that different from soviet interceptors where ground radar detects intruder which then dispatched either Mig-19 or Mig-21 to intercept

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Trainers are perfectly good for bullying insurgents or intercepting poorly armed aircraft.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They'd probably still be trainer jets.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the reason trainers exist is theyre easier to handle,cheaper to fly,can flow slowly other than that theyre the same as the regular planes used in the army and do the same stuff
    so yea you'd use em to bomb, maybe not so much air to air combat since many lack radar

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if the shit has hit the fan hard enough, their most common use is how Ukraine has been using its obsolete aircraft - CAS and airspace denial. the latter means that even if they can't assert aerial superiority over the battlefield, they can at least make things difficult for enemy aircraft, forcing the enemy to use standoff tactics rather than just cruising around plinking tanks.

    if however the shit hasn't escalated so hard so quickly, trainers are actually probably more useful preparing new pilots for battlefield casualty replacements. we're seeing right now how a pitched 21st century war can still drag on long enough for the manufacturing and training pipelines to be a highly relevant consideration.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you HAD to use them for something other than their sole purpose of training, I'd slap in a remote piloting kit and send them on SEAD suicide missions with a frickload of HARMs. Destroying AD is the most immediately effective way to gain a massive advantage.

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