>weigh my pack
>It's 19lb with everything but food, water, clothing and sleeping bag in it
Wtf that's already 10% of my bodyweight and I plan to carry my fishing rod, lures, a bottle, obviously a sleeping bag and obviously food. Seems like I'm going to hit 20% pretty easy and my gear is mostly UL.
What percentage of your bodyweight is your pack?
>weigh my pack
Look at the size of that talon. Look at it! Don't sweat the weight until need to. Take your heavy ass pack for a quick overnight trip, a few miles each way, and when you get back you'll have an idea of what kind of weight your body can handle. But yeah, 19 lbs without sleeping bag is pretty heavy. I don't have UL anything and my pack isn't 19lbs. Weigh that shit again, maybe the scale is off. JK. What's the weight of the pack, tent, and sleeping bag? If it's more than 10 pounds (which is actually sort of heavy) you found the problem. Aquire actual lightweight big 3 items is the solution. If your big 3 weighs less than 10 pounds, you're carrying unnecessary stuff. Start whittling it down. If you're not going to be doing long trips for a while you don't need UL everything right now, so replace the heavy stuff over the next year. You'll get in shape and lose pack weight simultaneously.
Under 8%. Pic is under 14.
It’s a hammock setup, with a typical 11x9 nylon tarp. The hammock is Hexon 1.0, so pretty light. The quilts are both down; one’s a full length 40°, the other a 3/4 length 20°. Suspension is 1” poly webbing. Guy lines are all Zingit. Bug net is a bit heavy, as it’s a full coverage net rather than a zip on. Could save a good bit with a dynema tarp or even just a smaller one, and by going with tree straps and whoopie slings. The tent poles are a pole mod that gives extra interior space or extra stability in high winds.
Pack is an Osprey Exos 48, one of the only exceptional packs they make. Not ultralight but not a 5lb monstrosity with 30 pockets like most of their packs.
The umbrella is a light umbrella, but still kind of heavy. Excellent thing to have for light rain on warm days (very common here) or little tree coverage on sunny days (also common).
Other things are typical weight savings: SmartWater bottles, homemade first air kit, leave “just in case” crap at home, alcohol stove… really it’s all just the essentials. I could probably leave the sleep clothes and the inflatable pillow at home but nah.
Under 14lbs*. I’m right at 180.
>baggie with diarrhea pills and two Band-Aids, probably not going to get injured on easy-to-moderate established and blazed trails
>no signaling equipment, but map and compass to give the impression I might go off-trail (I won't)
>no noif evident, but by Christ there's an aluminum mini-trowel, can't be getting my hands dirty outdoors
>small compression dry bag with some poly rope coiled on it, guaranteed 100% bear- and raccoon-proof when hung
>headlamp in case it's dark when I get back to the parking lot
You know what this looks like to me? A day pack with extra cargo space. You'll hike in, set up your hammock and tarp, light up the stove, lean the pack against a tree, set up your patch and anime figurine, take a picture to post on Reddit, then pack it up and leave.
I have the exact same Columbia fleece, by the way. After seeing your post I'll have to throw it away.
You sound like a major larper.
>bring more first aid then you’ll ever need
>you need a signal in mirror
What a gay
There’s a tiny one somewhere in there with a pair of scissors and tweezers.
Yeah I’m not a surface shitting retard. You’re not digging into the dirt (because you don’t go outside).
Incorrect. It’s to keep feral pigs and random rodents out of my food. There’s aren’t any bears around here. Usually hung as a clothesline.
Night hikes happen. So does getting up to piss.
Stop taking your queues from YouTube and figure out what actually works.
>If you bring more than pretty princess band-aids and bug bite wipes in your first aid kit you're a larper
More like if you bring more than what you might commonly use, yes.
How many Israeli bandages and chest seals do you take into the back country?
Oh wait, you don’t go PrepHole
>anyone who brings more than a pitiful amount of first aid is obviously bringing combat trauma gear
>anyone who brings more than a pitiful amount of first aid doesn't go out
>anyone who brings more than a pitiful amount of first aid is obviously bringing combat trauma gear
What else do you think you “need” that isn’t either combat trauma gear, or basic items you are most likely to use?
>anyone who brings more than a pitiful amount of first aid doesn't go out
You specifically do not go PrepHole
>anyone who disagrees with my specific preferences for packing doesn't go PrepHole
Why didn’t you answer my question?
>What else do you think you “need” that isn’t either combat trauma gear, or basic items you are most likely to use?
His answers are just memes and basically just amount to noise.
Leuko tape, alcohol wipes, ibuprofen, and bandaids covers like 99% of your medical needs in the backcountry
I don’t bother with bandaids. I take a sterile gauze pad, cut pieces off, and keep them in place with leukotape. It holds better and longer than bandaids, and can be made into any shape or size.
I got some seriously bad indigestion once, probably from some funky 4 day old cheese that I thought looked good enough. So now I take peptobismal tablets. I’ve also had sinus headaches when traveling to other parts of the country, I’m guessing from allergens my body isn’t used to experiencing, so I keep cetirizine pseudoephedrine with me. Those are really just comfort items, but so is putting a dislocated arm into a sling. There’s a safety pin in there for popping blisters as well. Probably a few other things I’m forgetting.
But yeah, minor stuff covers 99% of the injuries I’ve seen or had. The other injuries were heat exhaustion (common here), dehydration, and sprains.
Probably because he knows you're a contrarian gay who insists that people don't go PrepHole if they bring more than a bandaid. Be honest with us, would you agree with anything other than your definition of "basic items"?
I have a tick twister that I keep in my med kit year round cuz I don’t wanna forget to put it back in during tick season if I take it out.
Carrying 6 butterfly bandages, two huge gauze pads, a whole roll of medical tape, and all the other stuff in a premade kit like pic rel is totally unnecessary 99% of the time, and you are just packing your fears.
That’s okay if you pack your fears, just don’t shit on others who don’t feel the need to pack their fears
>don't shit on others
I'm assuming you aren't the anon who was calling people larpers and saying they don't go PrepHole for bringing "more first aid than you'll ever need", as that would be pretty retarded. I'm sure you could find some other use for the titty twister outside of tick season, and they weigh nothing, so there's nothing wrong with keeping it on you.
No, that was me, and I called him a LARPer who doesn’t go out because he was shitting on that guys med kid and saying he needed to bring a ton of stuff, but refused to post his own or say what else should be added.
I was right.
You proved that he doesn't go out?
The Occam’s razor explanation for why he avoided the question when asked what else should be added, and avoided posting his own med kit, is because he just came itt to troll and doesn’t actually have the knowledge or experience to answer or post his own, because he doesn’t go PrepHole.
Are you new here or something?
Half the replies on this board are by shitposters who don’t actually go PrepHole
The simplest explanation is that if someone doesn't follow your rules, then they don't go PrepHole?
They’re not his rules. A consensus forms from the same shared experience with regards to first aid. It’s something we’ve all experienced, and it’s why
>groupthink based on preconceived notions that everyone must pack the same way
>anyone who deviates from the groupthink must be shunned
Sounds like updoots to me
Literally the opposite of what I said. Fucking have a nice day.
>consensus: an opinion reached by a group
>preconceived notion: an opinion formed beforehand without adequate evidence
>"hurr durr you have to follow our rules because we have a consensus that this is how first aid packing works for everyone"
You have to go back.
>the consensus is from having the same experience
>it’s not preconceived
You have to go outside
>the consensus is that everyone needs to pack their first aid the same way and anyone who deviates or disagrees is a larper
>it's not experience
Stay in the city
Unironically yes. If you disagree with what I’ve learned through experience (which lines up with what nearly everyone else has learned through experience), then you’re most likely just full of shit.
>I assume that my personal experience is the gold standard, and there can be no alternative
t. boomer posting from his RV at KOA
Nope. Scroll back up and look at the definition of “consensus” that you posted.
>you don’t have experience
Those things don’t jive but ok.
You’re the one who deviated from the establishment, so it’s your job to prove the establishment wrong. You haven’t even tried.
>If you disagree with what I’ve learned through experience
Scroll back up and look at your own posts.
>old means experienced
Two for two on boomer red flags. Only old people pretend they're better or more knowledgeable simply by virtue of being old.
The establishment that you assume follows your personal experience? Are you the president of the committee of armchair trail guides?
Still not trying to actually prove your point or even prove that own any of this shit.
>you’re just assuming the establishment follows your experience
No, I can Google it. Turns out the same shits I’ve experienced is what millions of others have experienced. You’re not special, and would probably know that to be true if you actually went out.
>if I ignore the point, that means he didn't prove it
My first post was to point out that an anon, probably you, is a gatekeeping douchebag for calling someone a larper based on him desiring more than the bare minimum of first aid. You've proved my point with every post since then.
>google proved I'm right
Three for three.
>They’re not his rules. A consensus forms from the same shared experience with regards to first aid. It’s something we’ve all experienced, and it’s why
# is right.
He is absolutely correct, yes: A little boo-boo kit covers 99% of your needs in the backcountry. I fully and completely agree.
But you see, you also need to prepare for that 1% of your needs, the oh-shit moment that almost never (key phrase: "almost never") comes. When it does come, you'll need a real satchel very, very badly.
That's what you greenhorns don't understand, but someday you will... if you're still alive. If you really go PrepHole a lot, then 1% is more than enough odds to carry real supplies.
Fuck your shared experience, it's the shared experience of people who don't know shit passing shitty advice back and forth to each other in an echo chamber.
If you get seriously hurt while HIKING in the back country, ie not using axes, chainsaws, etc, it’s most likely from falling.
Your chest seals, decompression needles, and tourniquets aren’t gonna help you when you’ve bashed your head in on a rock.
You saying we should be wearing helmets to minimise our biggest risk of injury and death
What about mouth guards, like football players?
Personally I don't go anywhere near trees without full riot gear.
>Skurka is a “greenhorn”
Oh okay. Thanks for your expert opinion.
>as an Amazon associate
I was going to write about his credentials and how he’s actually telling you to bring less shit but you’re just some random child who doesn’t know who Andrew Skurka is and why his opinion carries weight. Your comment is just noise.
>he has credentials, so it's okay for him to sellout and be a shill for sweatshopazon
Ad hominem. You can’t address the content of the article so you go after a characteristic of the person giving it. In this case it’s a simple disclaimer letting you know he’s employed (in a way) by Amazon. You didn’t even bother to say what he’s shilling, just “Amazon bad.” This isn’t about Amazon though, and you’re a gay who can’t stay on topic.
Go back to 4chan.
>you didn't like the guy I agree with so that means you came from /pol
Assuming you are against bringing special items because "hurr durr you'll never need them", your boy Andy doesn't preclude them in the article; he specifically says that a DIY kit can be custom-tailored to you. Amazon is bad, and anyone who denies it probably gets an affiliate bonus. Cry more.
Probably because a tourniquet and chest seal are so retarded they’re not even worth mentioning.
You need to be 18 to post here, gay
>if you don't buy amazon shit you're underage
I know you’re underage because you’re a stupid gay troll who doesn’t even know who Skurka is.
Lurk more and stop posting; maybe you’ll learn something
Skurka is an expert at walking outdoors, yes. He's He wouldn't be the first "expert hiker" with [insert tens of thousands of miles hiked here] to die if the shit ever truly hits the fan because he didn't come prepared.
Who was that old multiple triple crowner who died because he went out in the winter without a GPS or paper map? Someone remind me. He was an "expert hiker" by anyone's definition. Experts can still be retarded in certain ways, and bringing only a knee scrape kit into the bush is certified retarded, period.
What Skurka is, is lucky. A different coin flip and we could be watching a YouTube video on his tragic death right now because he brought zero extra food or survival supplies and got stuck somewhere.
Yes, the simplest explanation for not posting proof you actually own what you’re talking about after being asked and avoiding the question, is because it’s just a larper who doesn’t go PrepHole.
That kit is exclusively made for NPCs and Larpers
Where are you guys getting that? All I see are a few pills (OTC allergy medication), a toothbrush, toothpaste, zip ties, and toilet paper.
Also neither of you have posted a picture of the gear you took on a trip. Maybe you don’t have one, but it’s kind of sad if you have things you like but don’t want to share them.
I've got lots of pictures, but if you want them you'll have to sign up for my onlyfans. 😉
There’s no such thing as a “boipussy.” That’s a man’s ass. No thanks.
Why do larpers like you think they need to take a whole damn army style IFAK to go hike in the back country?
Too many DVDs
Outside influence (YouTube survivalists, tacticool marketing, etc.). Basic Bernays propaganda.
Quite literally “I might need this item” rather than “I want this item.” Being made to think you need a product rather than simply want it was invented by Edward Bernays in the 1920’s (look him up).
“I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it” is a non sequitur (or is it a non starter? Maybe a moot point?). You will literally never need it.
This. He could swap that 20 dollar trowel for some gauze and duct tape, probably have less weight for his UL adventure
I already have both of those things you surface shitting mong.
>show a pic of all of your gear being used or you’re a teenager
I bet you can whistle a tune with that cleft asshole of yours.
Groomer on groomed trails gear 101. I knew the ultralight blight was bad but this? First fix your first aid unless you want trail angels to refill your 1 in a million accident in the parking lot. Not that you're going anywhere hard. It's okay for near urbans and ez mode thru hiker shit I guess. What can I say, Point A to B isn't bad but I'd be curious what you do for more than 7 days walking instea dof 2 nights.
And get a knife. Replace your bag asap.
Post your gear.
How big of a difference does hip transfer make to your carrying capacity? On paper a better bag with a higher level of weight transfer through the hips would result in a higher cap but what are we talking, 5lb?
Can anyone answer this
How do you think this would even be measured in a study?
Like what would the experiment even look like in your mind?
Not a study just curious if any of you guys have experimented or anything.
A study? Popsci and politics has ruined your brain... all you would need to do is measure the fucking weight transfer...
And how do you do that exactly?
Would you not want to measure this across a number of people so you can come up with an average?
That’s enough to count as a study imo
Not that anon, but when I have my pack on with the waist straps tightened, my shoulder straps basically hold none of the weight. They just keep the pack upright
The weight on a pack would really only be on the top of the shoulders and the lower back
This would be extremely easy to measure. It's actually so easy to measure you can feel it instantly, and with basically no ambiguity at all
Have you ever worn a backpack?
Also not that anon, but
>easy to measure
I think the anon who originally asked the question was hoping for a specific number to apply to the weight transfer. e.g. how many pounds are you feeling?
It makes a huge difference, its between resting the weight on the end of your spine; on your shoulders, making every upper body movement torturous, and resting the weight on your load bearing body parts.
For me its about 30-55%
depends if I have the radio with me or not
What kind of radio LRRPer anon? When I carry my HF set-up with battery and solar panel I'm carrying about 22kg. This is including about 5litres of water and food for days. Comes in at 1/5th or 20% of my body weight. I can only do about 20km per day at that weight and level of unfitness. It is nice to throw up a wire and get comms with fudd...
It's usually a Thales radio, platoon level so the thing itself is 6kg + batteries 2x1kg with the antennae so another 0.75 kilos
Most my hiking is done during duty time so I have sustainement, clothing, munitions and other mission essential equipment
Thanks for the (You), I used to carry a Siemens radio a very lomg time ago. Most of the time it was light vehicle mounted though. Nowadays it's the RS-918 rip off and a LiFePO4 battery pack I built myself. Not often I get out but when I do I like to put up a wire and find a fudd to talk to...
>military standard says 30% is fine in combat and 45% for matching
You’re not going into battle, you’re having a good time in the woods.
Yeah and everyone fucking hates it.
They do seem to have blown out knees. I found a random survey on thru hikers that found 22% of men are hiking at 31-35%
What is the average body weight of thru hikers. I'm a beefy 5'10 260 but that doesn't necessarily mean I can safely carry upwards of 80-90 lbs on top of my body weight for the length of a thru hike.
Yeah well most people are fucking stupid.
It also says UCP was a worthy investment so YMMV. Litterally.
Simpler explanation, no one has anything to prove to people who post gear spreads instead of gear in use. Show yours and show mine etc.
You are what you complain about by the way.
There's no proof of anything, for example
is not outside. Let's just say the bag isn't the only thing that's 'under 14' lmao.
If you’re gonna talk shit on someone’s setup, then you better actually be able to answer when someone asks what should be different, and back it up with proof you have first hand experience with the things you’re talking about; ie post your gear.
In use is preferable, but at least prove you even own what you’re talking about.
Talk shit without backing it up, and you will get called a larper who doesn’t actually go PrepHole
Lmao get Gatekept.
We need a Rocky-esque training montage of some keyboard warrior getting ready to gatekeep the outdoors from the comfort of his toilet
Can't shit post without the toilet. No aluminium trowel to dig through the hardwood floor.
I'm about 85kg, my pack is about 25-30kg depending
Do you see yourself carrying that much over a 30 day hike? Do you use trekking poles? Asking because I'm meaning to get into long distance hiking without being an ULtra gay.
>long distance hiking
>I’m not concerned about weight
You will be.
But I am concerned, that's why I'm asking.
I'm 180#, my retard cheap gear winter pack is 45# including consumables.
>come back to thread
>see the word 'bussy'
What the fuck
>10% of my bodyweight
6'1 and 190lb I'm not fat bro you're just a midget
not everyone is 5'3" like you, anon
You’re a bunch of gays lol I’ve done ten miles with 65 pounds, wtf? Only 3 and a half hours
Going uphill btw 🙂
>10 mile hike
>thinks this is a lot
Why did you post this?
Because it’s with 65 pounds you fucking idiot lmao
>b-but I can walk 10 mile with 65lb so why can't you thru hike 200 mile with [email protected]@
It included food for five days lol, if you’re not a bitch and have the proper bootwear, you can hit 80+ miles through the days and resupply at a point. You’re incredibly retarded and a weak bitch lol
>now he says it wasn't just 10 mile it was 80!
post any photographic proof of what you're saying moron
>show me photo proof of you walking 80 miles
Oh yeah, definitely retarded
>he won't take a pic of his excessively loaded pack
just another larper let me guess you fully unload your bag every time you get home so you can't even show the gear lmao
You're a goalpost-moving gay.
>says he can do something and insults everyone for being unable to do something
>refuses to even post the bag used for doing it
Why do you gays treat this place like 4chan if you claim something but won't even post your gear it becomes pretty fucking obvious
Does NTA not mean "not that anon"? Maybe I'm also retarded. I'm not the one who made claims about poundage; I was just calling you out for being an asshole.
Anon, you absolutely should unpack. Bags shouldn’t be stored compressed, tarps and rain flys need to air out, dirty clothes need to be washed, and consumables should be removed.
There’s a gear thread up right now. There are a total of 6 images, including mine. 3 are jokes, and two are budget kits.
Careful with the word "budget", anon. You'll make the gatekeepers sperg out.
Gatekeeping is the immune system of a niche.
It’s perfectly rational and healthy.
If you're talking about something like SJWs fucking with canon in a famous series, maybe. It isn't rational to autistically screech that anybody who doesn't spend X amount of dollars or do Y the exact same way you do is a larper.
base summer weight is about 10% that includes everything including empty water bottles and sleeping bag, winter is about 14%, winter bag and extra mat and clothes
how much do you weigh? i'm less than 120lbs so 65lbs would be 54% body weight which is too much
it would be 34% which is more than a third which is the max I've seen but most seem to recommend sticking to a quarter of body weight
150 pounds, that math bullshit you’re doing is incredibly gay. Just put on a fucking pack and hike for as long as you can, next time it’ll be easier because you’ll be stronger. Dafuq?
you shouldn't carry above 50lbs but if I weighed as much as you I wouldn't carry more than 38lbs because I stick to the only carry max a quarter of body weight, you actually want a lighter pack than a quarter of body weight because of the items and clothes you have on your body
I try for a 20-25lbs total pack weight, you should do probably ~30lbs total pack weight or you're going to end up with bad knees and hips from abusing your body, you'll be in constant pain. you can always car camp so it's fine but even then it won't be comfortable
12% with 3 days of food. UL gear and comfort stuff.
about tree fiddy
It's crazy isn't it, OP? It's almost like you need to have some physical strength to do fun things like go camping!
What is in your bag that it already weighs 19lb?
Still really want to know what's in OP's bag
Yeah, I’m not sure how he got to 19lbs without a sleeping bag if Most of his gear is ultralight.
No sleeping bag, food, water, or clothes. Maybe he has a cast iron dutch oven.